[00:47] <julian_dax> Hi...
[00:47] <gassho> hello
[00:47] <gassho> social chat goes in #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:47] <gassho> but if you have an issue, we work with those here :)
[00:48] <julian_dax> Hi gassho, where you from?
[00:49] <gassho> est
[00:50] <gassho> eastern standard time
[00:51]  * gassho scared :c
[00:51]  * MangaKaDenza hides in a box
[00:52]  * MangaKaDenza claustrophobic
[00:52]  * MangaKaDenza scared
[00:52] <MangaKaDenza> :c
[00:52] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:52]  * genii gently cuffs MangaKaDenza 
[00:58] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:33] <gassho> when does this channel besides netsplits, allow flooding?
[01:35] <gassho> ;p
[01:41] <gassho> aloha
[02:11] <pulasan> hi
[02:29] <MangaKaDenza> say
[02:29] <MangaKaDenza> how do I change the desktop manager
[02:30] <MangaKaDenza> from kde to lightdm
[02:30] <MangaKaDenza> er kdm
[02:30] <keithzg> MangaKaDenza: Do you have both installed?
[02:30] <MangaKaDenza> yes
[02:31] <keithzg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[02:31] <keithzg> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[02:31] <keithzg> either should prompt you to choose your default desktop manager.
[02:32] <MangaKaDenza> thank you
[02:33] <keithzg> np
[02:46] <testingkubu> how do i install a canon network driver using the tar.gz file from the manufacturer? I have had no success using Printer Configuration; it sees it but doesn't install the Canon driver
[02:46] <testingkubu> *sees the network printer
[02:47] <keithzg> testingkubu: Can you link to the file?
[02:47] <testingkubu> http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/printers_multifunction/imageclass_series/imageclass_mf4690#DriversAndSoftware
[05:56] <danilo> mirc /server irc.chlame.net
[06:14] <MangaKaDenza> I am now away
[06:46] <MangaKaDenza> say
[06:46] <MangaKaDenza> how do I remove all panels?
[06:48] <MangaKaDenza> actually nvm
[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:35] <excognac> hi all
[09:36] <excognac> in none of my browsers (chrome, firefox) new tabs are opened ever (e.g. bugs.kde.org from bugtracker dialog or rightclick->open new tab)  why is that?
[09:39] <Walex> excognac: it is very unlikely that it is a single cause for all of them...
[09:40] <Walex> excognac: however I have seen it happen when the browser(s) have run out of memory; easier on a 32b system, more difficult on a 64b system with lots of memory.
[09:40] <Walex> excognac: but then Chrome has a process per page, so even in 32b mode it should be unlikely.
[09:41] <excognac> Walex: firefox looks useless anyway. I'd skip here raging why i have to use 13.10 and not 12.04. it1s 64bit sys with 4 GB DDram
[09:42] <excognac> Walex: bugtraxker is the worst buggy thing . i had the false hope i can use it to help to improve kde.
[09:42] <excognac> *tracker
[09:43] <Walex> excognac: but neither Chrome nor Firefox are KDE-related...
[09:44] <excognac> Walex: i just forgot my login for bugtracker, it was mmuon-discover crashed
[09:48] <excognac> http://bugs.kde.org/ still exist?
[09:48] <excognac> s
[09:58] <jussi> Has anyone seen this on chromium before? http://i.imgur.com/lc15rK3.png
[09:59] <jussi> Its weird because I have it on chromium, but not chrome
[10:01] <Tm_T> jussi: what I'm supposed to see here? as in, what is the problem?
[10:01] <jussi> Tm_T: the menu?
[10:01] <jussi> Tm_T: ie. the fact it exists?
[10:02] <Tm_T> it's there no matter what you do?
[10:02] <Tm_T> that's the menu that comes from the icon/button that has 3 horizontal lines in upper right corner, isn't it?
[10:02] <jussi> no
[10:03] <jussi> if I click on about a 1 pixel space across the top of the screen, I get a menu
[10:03] <jussi> so it works like a normal menu
[10:04] <Tm_T> can't reproduce, sorry
[10:04] <Tm_T> interesting though
[10:04] <jussi> if you look carfefully, there is a grey line across the top of the screen
[10:19] <apachelogger> jussi: that's why we use GTK :P
[10:19] <jussi> apachelogger: wot?
[10:29] <excognac> Do i have to set Default leave option to turn off computer if i want my previous session restored upon booting in System Settings?
[10:49] <syria> Hi, Gparted doesnt work on my kubuntu.
[10:51] <Wizard> syria: Describe "doesn't work"
[10:52] <syria> Wizard:  Actually it was a permissions problem, I have solved it by typing "kdesudo gparted" in the terminal. thank you :)
[10:52] <syria> Wizard:  I want to install windows after kubuntu, I will have to use gparted right?
[10:53] <Wizard> I don't know, I haven't installed Windows for ages. As far as I know, no, you will have to rescue grub, since Windows will overwrite it.
[10:53] <Wizard> But I'm unsure.
[10:54] <yossarianuk> kde partioner doesn;t seem to work for me in kubuntu
[10:54] <yossarianuk> gpafrted does.
[10:54] <yossarianuk> *gparted*
[10:54] <jussi> apachelogger: so did you have some insight into the issue that I have? :D
[10:54] <jussi> yossarianuk: nor I
[10:55] <yossarianuk> i.e I cannot delete a partition that isn't in use...
[10:55] <yossarianuk> with gparted I can.
[10:55] <yossarianuk> and gdisk , ec
[10:56] <apachelogger> jussi: sure, chrome uses gtk
[10:56] <Kiranos> I'm trying to activivate the propiarty nvidia driver but seems to not work
[10:56] <jussi> apachelogger: so... why does it happen in chromium and not chrome?
[10:56] <Kiranos> works out of the box on ubuntu vanilla
[10:57] <apachelogger> jussi: because patches for example, different versions for example...
[10:58] <jussi> apachelogger: so, what can I do about this issue, specifically, how do i turn off the silly menu?
[10:59] <apachelogger> you probably can't
[10:59] <jussi> ... :/
[10:59] <apachelogger> anyway, #ubuntu may be able to help
[10:59] <apachelogger> I have no clue how to runtime introspect GUIs in GTK
[10:59] <apachelogger> if you can do that at all
[11:05] <Kiranos> "Nvidia driver activated but currently not in use"
[11:05] <Kiranos> anyone know how to debug this? gt 440 and works under vanilla ubuntu
[11:06] <Kiranos> also no recommended option is seen for me
[11:08] <Kiranos> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?61665-nvidia-this-driver-is-activated-but-not-in-use
[11:08] <Kiranos> bug
[11:17] <excognac> why i can't open certain pdf files with okular under 13.10 (they were created and could be opened under 12.04?
[11:19] <Wizard> excognac: Any errors in .xsession-errors?
[11:21] <excognac> Wizard: how do i check that?
[11:22] <Wizard> Look into this file after trying to open files which don't open.
[11:24] <excognac> Wizard:  cat .xsession-errors Script for cjkv started at run_im. Script for default started at run_im.
[11:27] <Wizard> excognac: Ugh.. That doesn't tell much. How big is that file?
[11:28] <excognac> Wizard: 4.4Mb scanned texts with some handwriting on them.
[11:30] <Wizard> I was talking about .xsession-errors :D
[11:30] <Wizard> BTW, what exactly did you mean by "can't open"?
[11:32] <excognac> du -s -h .xsession-errors 4,0K    .xsession-errors
[11:34] <excognac> Wizard: that Okular thinks for half an hour without doing anything. 12.04 opens them superfast, no trouble. [raging skipped here why 12.04 has no support for newer processors/graphic cards as she is]
[11:35] <Wizard> Hmm, that's strange and prbably a bug even!
[11:36] <Wizard> However, if it doesn't spit anything to .xsession-errors, I belive strace is one of the ways of knowing what is it doing.
[11:48] <excognac> Wizard: ok, learning now strace and working paralelly so i 'll send output soon
[11:58] <Wizard> excognac: And you think than I'll be able to analize it in few minutes? :P
[12:06] <excognac> Wizard: no, it looks like it will highly exceed my skills. I still wish to skip raging why lts is lts when it has no support at all for newer hardware and i'm forced to use this 13.10. withing a week i made one bug report. (i think i made alltogether 5 in the past 3 years)
[12:07] <ikonia> excognac: why do you think LTS has no support for newer hardware ?
[12:08] <excognac> ikonia: seriously you ask this? we worked hard together for a week.
[12:08] <ikonia> yes, I do think this
[12:08] <ikonia> excognac: I've still not stopped, I'm still trying to understand how the onboard chip on your cpu is actually referenced by xorg, I believe that is the key
[12:09] <ikonia> I think the later xorg build seems to manage detection better, but thats only the theory at this time
[12:09] <ikonia> excognac: also you could use the 13.10 kernel on the LTS release to prove this, as the kernel provides the hardware support, and if using the later kernel doesn't change anything, that suggests the hardware support is not the key, but the xorg component
[12:10] <Wizard> Well.. xorg *is* the hardware support. ;)
[12:10] <Wizard> And excognac is right about that LTS and hardware support.
[12:11] <ikonia> not really it's a seperate layer
[12:11] <excognac> ikonia:  i did try the latest kernel on 12.04, without any better result.
[12:11] <ikonia> excognac: ok, so you can have a reasonable idea where the problem is then, which backs up where I am looking at the moment
[12:14] <excognac> ikonia: i'm sorry but i really don't as I'm a user not a really a developper. I have 0 IT/programmer education, I understand very little about how OS works on hardware. btw after the first few boots i hade one or multiply kblankscrn.kss with 13.10
[12:15] <excognac> sorry for the typos
[12:15] <ikonia> excognac: fully get where you are coming from - just hang with it, we'll get a solution and then document it for others
[12:16] <excognac> ikonia: ?
[12:21] <excognac> ikonia: as far as i remember you adviced against installing software. i think i've tried to cooperate maximally, i really don't see any reason for being rude with me.
[12:22] <ikonia> ?? I'm not being rude to you
[12:22] <ikonia> I just said hang in there - it's not done yet, we'll find a solution and then we can document it for others.
[12:23] <excognac> ok, sorry i missunderstood it.
[12:23] <ikonia> no problem, I appreciate it's frustrating, but working with the onchip cards like this is new to me also
[12:24] <excognac> ikonia: shall i try to install some VM software to test 12.04 running under 13.10?
[12:24] <ikonia> excognac: I don't see how that would make any difference or provide any use as a test
[12:25] <ct529> hi everybody, having quite a few problems with btrfs .... any chance to switch a large filesystem from btrfs back to ext4?
[12:26] <excognac> ikonia: well, i have to work on this machine now, i can't really reinstall it again for testing.
[12:27] <ikonia> ok, you need to get it to a situation you can work, that's got to be P1, however testing in a VM won't be useful, is it possible you could partition your hard disk to allow a second install of 12.04 to work the problem through on, or a usb disk ?
[12:30] <ct529> and, what is the best filesystem for large archives of small files (10MB to 30MB)?
[12:30] <excognac> ikonia: i think so i can do that, maybe later this week as now i need to use almost max. capacity of the hard disk. i can use anytime the live dvd of 12.04 too.
[12:31] <ikonia> excognac: that buys time for more research, as you've guessed, I'm not working 24x7 on this
[12:32] <excognac> ikonia: yeah sure, take your time, i'm patient on this. do you need my email address or anything?
[12:32] <ikonia> excognac: not really, just drop buy when you can
[12:32] <excognac> kk
[13:11] <yossarianuk> ok - odd one
[13:11] <yossarianuk> a friend at work has kubuntu 13.10 + nvidia (like myself)
[13:11] <yossarianuk> he tried using additional drivers to install 319.60
[13:12] <yossarianuk> it just stayed @ 0 %
[13:12] <yossarianuk> cancelled that
[13:12] <yossarianuk> did apt-get clean
[13:12] <yossarianuk> apt-get update
[13:12] <yossarianuk> then tried to download with apt-get -d install nvidia-319-updates
[13:13] <yossarianuk> it just keeps downloading the package
[13:13] <yossarianuk> over and over (and over, etc)
[13:13] <yossarianuk> forever
[13:14] <yossarianuk> why ?
[13:15] <yossarianuk> its only that package
[13:15] <yossarianuk> its only that package
[13:15] <yossarianuk> others install normally
[13:16] <yossarianuk> i.e the package downloads - gets to 100% then restarts downloading forever
[13:16] <yossarianuk> apt-cache show nvidia-319-updates |grep -i version
[13:16] <yossarianuk> shows
[13:16] <yossarianuk> 319.60-0ubuntu1
[13:16] <yossarianuk> any ideas ?
[13:17] <yossarianuk> (about to go for lunc...)
[13:17] <lordievader> yossarianuk: You could download it manually: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-319-updates/
[13:23] <gsedej_work> Hi! Does someone has 1 minute to test keyboard shortcut issue I have? (browser tab switch with Alt + (number) )
[13:33] <ct529> what is the current version of the kernel? why do I see 3.11.7 here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.7-saucy/
[13:36] <[Raiden]> ct529: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12-saucy/
[13:49] <yossarianuk> lordievader: thanks
[13:49] <yossarianuk> what could be causing it though ?
[13:50] <yossarianuk> i.e is it an indication of an issue with his setup
[13:50] <yossarianuk> ?
[13:56] <gsedej_work> Can somebody test if firefox/chromium tab switching work for him? (using Alt+1, Alt+2, Alt+3, etc...)
[14:03] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Could be, to be honest I have no idea...
[14:05] <yossarianuk> shall I perhaps ask on kubuntu-devel?
[14:30] <excognac> gsedej_work: Alt+2 works then Alt+1 not in chrome for me
[14:31] <excognac> gsedej_work: Alt+3 and Alt+2 back and forth works, Alt+1 never
[14:31] <gsedej_work> ok, same at me
[14:31] <gsedej_work> can you check if you have some assigned shortcut? I dont have
[14:32] <excognac> same with firefox
[14:32] <gsedej_work> however, if you assign Alt+1 to (whatever) and then delet it, it starts working in firefox/chrome... untill you log-out
[14:34] <excognac> gsedej_work: lol where do i assign? in the browsers or sys settings?
[14:37] <gsedej_work> no no,  just make kde shortcut
[14:38] <gsedej_work> KDE -> System Settings -> Shortcuts ...
[14:40] <gsedej_work> e.g. make shortcut for "e-mail" "Alt+1", apply, remove that shortcut, apply, Alt+1 should work in browser now
[14:41] <gsedej_work> tipk
[14:41] <gsedej_work> ups
[14:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:53] <ct529> hi everybody ....
[15:53] <MangaKaDenza> hi
[15:54] <ct529> anyone who knows how to convert a btrfs partition into a ext4?
[15:54] <MangaKaDenza> gparted
[15:55] <ct529> MangaKaDenza: does it allow to convert or only to reformat?
[15:58] <genii> ct529: As far as I'm aware, the only filesystem which you can "convert" without reformatting is ext, and then only within the same type ( ext2/3/4)
[15:59] <genii> ct529: You don't have enough room some other place to copy the data currently on the btrfs so that it could be re-partioned and formatted as some other fs?
[16:05] <MangaKaDenza> genii, where are the plasma widgets
[16:05] <MangaKaDenza> I demand my plasma widgets
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> but they arent in muon
[16:06] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Your widgets are gone or something?
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> or in the get new widgets thing
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> well no
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> but the ones in the discover/get new widgets are
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> I accidentally my steam clock
[16:07] <genii> !info plasma-widgets-workspace
[16:08] <MangaKaDenza> :3
[16:09] <MangaKaDenza> also... there's this game
[16:09] <MangaKaDenza> wakfu... which worked on my first/second installs...
[16:09] <MangaKaDenza> but now it keeps crashing
[16:09] <MangaKaDenza> its a java game...
[16:12] <Wizard> Oh my. What's the problem?
[16:14] <MangaKaDenza> it keeps saying that some thing isn't found
[16:15] <MangaKaDenza> but when I went in the folder and checked, it was there
[16:17] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: What exactly isn't found?
[16:17] <MangaKaDenza> some... folder
[16:17] <MangaKaDenza> here... let me start it up
[16:17] <MangaKaDenza> also I still don't have the steam time plasmoid genii
[16:18] <Wizard> I don't know what's a steam time. If it comes about java game, we'll see. Paste the output.
[16:19] <MangaKaDenza> hrk... my network blocks their update servers...
[16:19] <MangaKaDenza> I'll paste at home
[16:19] <MangaKaDenza> *current network
[16:22] <MangaKaDenza> anyways...
[16:22] <MangaKaDenza> how do I change the startup splash screen?
[16:24] <MangaKaDenza> and genii I have the universe source enabled
[16:24] <genii> MangaKaDenza: My workplace is requiring me often today, so please understand that I am not ignoring you, etc, but just that my time for IRC today is not enough to properly assist with your issue just now.
[16:24] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Usefull to tackle one problem at a time ;)
[16:26] <MangaKaDenza> well I can't tackle the first until I get home :P
[16:27] <MangaKaDenza> this happened before too...
[16:27] <MangaKaDenza> after upgrading to saucy, all my widgets dissapeared from the software...
[16:27] <MangaKaDenza> oh now I get it
[16:27] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Anyhow splash themes are in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes
[16:34] <MangaKaDenza> I added raring versions of multi, uni, and extra sources
[16:34] <MangaKaDenza> ...I hope that doesn't make it explode
[16:35] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: You are running Saucy right?
[16:35] <MangaKaDenza> yes
[16:36] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: If so, that is a bad thing to do.
[16:36] <MangaKaDenza> well I didn't replace it
[16:36] <lordievader> Disable them at once I would advice.
[16:37] <Wizard> MangaKaDenza: Man, you've borked your desktop already by juggling with PPAs, now you want to make your system unbootable?
[16:37] <MangaKaDenza> actually since kubu looks so much like windows...
[16:37] <MangaKaDenza> I'm not required to use the win2-7 ppa thing of random
[16:38] <MangaKaDenza> but... I have done the same for wakfu... with my first install
[16:39] <MangaKaDenza> and it worked then
[16:39] <MangaKaDenza> :P
[16:40] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: For ppa's it might work. (Still not advised.) But adding the ubu repos of versions prior is a bad thing to do. Please follow our advice and revert this action.
[16:40] <genii> MangaKaDenza: I know I keep reiterating this, but again, in flashing red neon letters 20 feet high, etc: "USE AT OWN RISK, MAY BREAK SYSTEM" and etc. Also, your warranty is long voided now...
[16:40] <MangaKaDenza> I thought this didn't come with a warranty...
[16:41] <MangaKaDenza> also... just for future reference... how do I completely remove all ubuntu/kubuntu/gnu/whatever stuff, and just leave my windows partition?
[16:42] <genii> MangaKaDenza: It's a manner of speaking :) *buntu support channels are not required to help you if you're doing things with your system that you've been previously warned are dangerous and not supported, etc.
[16:42]  * Wizard nods.
[16:43] <MangaKaDenza> ahhhhhh
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> hmph
[16:44] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Boot to your Windows CD and do the fixmbr thing, that removes GRUB. Then you can use gparted CD to remove all partitions which are not from your Windows and add them back into the space which your Windows currently occupies
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> I'll revert it... since it did absolutely nothing for my problem...
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> actually... let me reboot first
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> genii, eh... windows CD?
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> like... livecd?
[16:45] <MangaKaDenza> brb reboot
[16:45] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Like, the installation CD/DVD which you purchased from Microsoft or which came with your computer
[16:45] <genii> Hm.
[16:50] <MangaKaDenza> hmm... it didn't explode yet
[16:51] <MangaKaDenza> welp
[16:51] <MangaKaDenza> since the mass adding of ilegel sources didn't work, time to revert
[16:52] <MangaKaDenza> reverted
[16:55] <genii> MangaKaDenza: To answer your earlier question just before you left:
[16:55] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Like, the installation CD/DVD which you purchased from Microsoft or which came with your computer
[16:57] <genii> MangaKaDenza: If your system doesn't have those, it usually has a separate partition with the install files on it and at boot it has an option like "Press F11 (or some other F-key) to Restore Windows"
[16:57] <MangaKaDenza> uh oh... this is a computer which I don't have the winCD for, or admin rights in windows...
[16:57] <MangaKaDenza> ._.
[16:59] <genii> "Contact your Systems Administrator"
[17:00] <MangaKaDenza> :)
[17:00] <MangaKaDenza> say... would it be appreciated if I put in the good word for kubuntu to my school district?
[17:01] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Probably :) There are actually many educational projects which are using Ubuntu or one of it's flavours
[17:35] <gassho> uh
[17:35] <gassho> can you get a Kubuntu theme that doesn't have so much of the bright light
[17:37] <gassho> i didnt see one when i googled ._.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> lots of dark themes available , system settings >desktop theme and window decoration . gassho
[17:38] <BluesKaj> in worspace appearance
[17:38] <BluesKaj> correction: workspace appearance
[17:39] <gassho> yeeeeeeeeeee tyvm ^3^
[17:39]  * gassho hugs BluesKaj
[17:39] <gassho> nice person thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUuuuuuUUUUuuu
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok, ok ...yw :)
[17:46] <ct529_> anyone who has tried compiling 3.12 on kubuntu?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ct529_. what's the hurry ? :)
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ct529_.  ask in #kde or #kubuntu-devel
[17:58] <BluesKaj> and it's 4.12
[17:59] <ct529_> BluesKaj: nope, kernel 3.12!
[17:59] <BluesKaj> ct529_. unless you mean the kernel
[18:00] <BluesKaj> !kernel
[18:00] <ct529_> BluesKaj: yep
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ct529_. you can get the 3.12 by default if you're adventurous and upgrade to 14.04 via sed 'ing your sources.list and running sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:03] <BluesKaj> after updating and upgrading first , of course
[18:03] <ct529_> BluesKaj: where is the fun in that?
[18:04] <ct529_> BluesKaj: ;)
[18:04] <BluesKaj> I'm running 14.04 ..quite stable actually
[18:06] <BluesKaj> ct529_. check this out  http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Linux-Kerrnel-3-12-in-Ubuntu-13-10-397013.shtml
[18:09] <ct529_> BluesKaj: mmmm .... this is interesting. I am having serious difficulties in 13.10 with that heck of a btrfs
[18:10] <ct529_> BluesKaj: that was a colossal mistake
[18:11] <BluesKaj> never used btrfs , I stay away from exotic file systems
[18:11]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:11] <BluesKaj> what kinds of difficulties , ct529_?
[18:11] <ct529_> BluesKaj: and you are absolutely flipping right .... what a COLOSSAL mistake
[18:12] <ct529_> BluesKaj: going back to kernel, the link seems to suggest mainline, but mainline doesnot have the ubuntu patches, does it?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> dunno
[18:13] <BluesKaj> running a dev OS is adventurous enough for me :)
[18:13] <ct529_> BluesKaj: I had a power failure, and the btrfs partition was damaged (nothing terrible) .... now it tells the system there is no free space, even if in reality there is.
[18:14] <ct529_> BluesKaj: hence, no application which needs to write or read files works anymore .... oh joy!
[18:16] <BluesKaj> aha , so it didn't register the space on the partition
[18:16] <BluesKaj> looks like back to ext4 and a clean install is best , then compile the kernel . ct529_
[18:17] <ct529_> BluesKaj: yep, exactly what I am doing!
[18:17] <BluesKaj> ok good
[18:42] <ct529_> BluesKaj: it is taking forever
[18:44] <BluesKaj> ct529_.is the ubiquity progressbar not moving up %-wise ?
[18:45] <ct529_> BluesKaj: no, I am currently in recovery mode, tarring all the files for the backup.
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ok , then you must have a lot of files to compress
[18:50] <ct529_> BluesKaj: yep .... what is taking me the most are the virtual gues machines (virtualbox)
[18:55] <BluesKaj> right ct529_ , that will take some time for sure
[18:56] <ct529_> BluesKaj: I expctected that backup of virtualbox machines wouldhave taken much less ....  I need to do some sort of optimisation space wise.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> I tried VB , but windows eats too much cpu on this old pc , so i put it on a separate HDD
[18:59] <vadrao> Hi all, I am using Kubuntu 13.10. They have changed something with the network manager I guess. I have installed i3 windows manager and want to connect to my wifi. I do not know the command for the Network Manager. When I type "Networkmanager" in konsole, it says that I need to be root. When I use "sudo Networkmanager" then it says network manager is running. What are my options
[19:00] <ct529_> BluesKaj: flipping heck, there is one person on the virtualbox chatroom who is a right xxxx, I hope not everybody is so unhelpful! your idea sounds very good. I may do something similar, as soon as I can get this blessed backup.
[19:01] <ct529_> vadrao: why don't you use one of the gui?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> ct529_. if you have an old HDD hanging around say 40G or larger then use that
[19:02] <vadrao> ct529_: exactly, I am looking for KDE based GUI, but I have problem like I have described above
[19:03] <vadrao> ct529_: I meant I have problem with the default KDE network manager as described above
[19:03] <ct529_> vadrao: unfortunately I do not know i3 ....
[19:03] <ct529_> BluesKaj: I'll do that!
[19:04] <vadrao> ct529_: What is the command to invoke the default KDE network manager GUI now?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> vadrao. right click on the desktop > add widgets, type network in the search , network manager should show, the double click on it to add it to the panel
[19:05] <BluesKaj> the=then
[19:06] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I would like to have a command for that, as I would like to invoke them in i3  window manager.
[19:07] <ct529_> vadrao: unfortunately, Icannot do any test, the machine is clogged with backups
[19:07] <BluesKaj> vadrao. , 13 window managers , where?
[19:08] <vadrao> BluesKaj:  Its a tiling window manager http://i3wm.org/
[19:08] <BluesKaj> vadrao. sudo dbus-launch network-manager
[19:08] <vadrao> BluesKaj: it gives an error "Couldn't exec network-manager: No such file or directory"
[19:10] <vadrao> BluesKaj: when I type "sudo dbus-launch NetworkManager", it says "NetworkManager is already running (pid 728)"
[19:10] <BluesKaj> vadrao. network-management
[19:10] <BluesKaj> vadrao. don't you have a panel ?
[19:10] <ct529_> vadrao: try to use selg completion, it helps with little mistakes
[19:12] <vadrao> BluesKaj: i3 window manager is minimalist and I do not want any panel in there.
[19:12] <vadrao> ct529_: selg?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> fine , then i don't know how to help, sorry vadrao ...I'm sure others can tho
[19:13] <vadrao> BluesKaj: also, by default i3 does not have any panel.
[19:13] <vadrao> BluesKaj: No problem. Thanks for trying thogh
[19:14] <ct529_> vadrao: self ....
[19:15] <vadrao> ct529_: I am using fish. It helps me with small mistakes
[19:15] <ct529_> fish?
[19:15] <vadrao> The problem with me is not mistakes I type in terminal
[19:15] <ct529_> vadrao: because it is good for your memory?
[19:15] <vadrao> I do not know how to invoke the default KDE network manager in i3
[19:16] <ct529_> vadrao: this is what I mean, bash self completion allows you to write the correct names for the executables
[19:16] <vadrao> ct529_: hahaha :). I meant http://fishshell.com/
[19:16] <ct529_> vadrao: in the konsole
[19:17] <ct529_> vadrao: oic .... I am sure it has self completion!
[19:17] <ct529_> :)
[19:17] <vadrao> ct529_: Yes, it has
[19:18] <BluesKaj> vadrao. do you have special connections , perhaps you could set them up in /etc/network/interfaces and bypass network manager altogether ...I can help with that if you wish
[19:18] <vadrao> BluesKaj: yes please
[19:18] <vadrao> I would like to know how to do that
[19:20] <BluesKaj> here is a tutorial that shows how  vadrao http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[19:20] <vadrao> As of now, my /etc/network/interfaces is like this http://pastebin.com/EKY9zTMd
[19:21] <BluesKaj> vadrao. that tutoriial is bit dated , but I can help with etc/resolv.conf , once you get to that part
[19:21] <ct529_> vadrao: sorry, silly question .... are you trying to connect with wireless or wired?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> vadrao. yes that's the standard setting for eth0
[19:22] <vadrao> ct529_: I want to my wireless.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> looks wired from here
[19:22] <vadrao> I want to connect* to my wireless
[19:23] <ct529_> vadrao: that was the reason for teh question .... did you check that you have wpa_supplicant installed and running?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> wifi in the interfaces file is complicated and I have very little knowledge with that
[19:24] <BluesKaj> wifi without NM is beyond me
[19:25] <vadrao> ct529_: Yes, I have wifi_supplicant installed on my machine
[19:25] <vadrao> sorry wpa_supplicant
[19:26] <ct529_> vadrao: BluesKaj: ok .... is it running as well? ps -ef | grep -i wpa
[19:26] <vadrao> Oh yes, it is rnning as well
[19:27] <ct529_> mmmm .... I am going to ask you a silly question .... is the wireless switched on??
[19:28] <ct529_> vadrao: on the computer I mean, not the router.
[19:28] <vadrao> ct529_: Now, I am connected to my wireless and i am on KDE. I have connectivity. But when I logout of KDE and log into i3 wm, then I loose my connectivity. Hence, I was looking for a command to invoke NM in i3
[19:29] <ct529_> vadrao: unfortunately, I cannot test from here .... :(
[19:30] <vadrao> ct529_: No problem. Thanks for trying
[19:30] <vadrao> I will try and figure it out
[19:30] <ct529_> vadrao: but the network manager relays on the wpa supplicant.
[19:30] <ct529_> vadrao: can you run ifconfig in a terminal in i3?
[19:31] <vadrao> ct529_: Yes, thats a good piece of information I had. I will try and play with that and find a solution.
[19:31] <BluesKaj> depends on his wifi chip it might run in NM if he can get that to work in l3
[19:31] <ct529_> vadrao: ok, sorry I am running a whole backup of more than 350Gb it is taking all the afternoon.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> vadrao.your wifi chip that is :)
[19:32] <ct529_> BluesKaj: yes, but he should be able to simply do it using ifconfig, it wpa_supplicant is properly configured.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> have you research l3 with internet connectivity , vadrao
[19:33] <vadrao> ct529_: Do you want me to look for particular information in ifconfig
[19:34] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I did research some. I was trying to connect to wifi from the command line
[19:34] <ct529_> BluesKaj: to run the wifi from command line, I normally do wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c wpa_SSSI.conf
[19:34] <ct529_> BluesKaj: vadrao of course, you first have to configure the wpa_SSSI.conf using wpa_passphrase
[19:35] <vadrao> But, "dhclient wlan0" command simpl hangs
[19:35] <ct529_> vadrao: did you run wpa_supplicant from the command line?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> vadrao. if you used virtual desktops with l3 then wifi shouldn't be  a factor , if you can get it run without l3 first
[19:37] <vadrao> ct529_:  BluesKaj I was trying this http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[19:37] <vadrao> I did not use wpa_supplicant from the command line
[19:39] <BluesKaj> vadrao. so you have cli access in l3 ?
[19:39] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I have CLI access and GUI access like any other window manager
[19:41] <vadrao> GUI access from the CLI. So, I usually type command in a terminal window and the GUI opens up. Since I do not have connectivity, I could not use it much
[19:43] <BluesKaj> then why no panel , with access to network manager? ...sacrificing the panel for minimal install doesn't save much resources IMO
[19:45] <vadrao> BluesKaj: Well, as soon as login it does not give me any panel. Its just plain and empty. I will research some more on the panel with a network manager and try
[21:45] <Wizard> o/
[23:50] <netrunner_> hello everybody
[23:51] <netrunner_> is this german or english channel?
[23:54] <genii> netrunner_: English. The German channel is in #kubuntu-de
[23:55] <genii> Hm.
[23:56] <netrunner_> hello, can anybody support me?
[23:57] <genii> netrunner_: To answer your previous question... this is the English channel. The German channel is in #kubuntu-de