[01:13] <qwebirc98279> I am trying to install mythplugins, but it keeps getting stuck at the flash installation. Please help!
[01:15] <sabhain>  Hi,  what's the magic argument for mythfilldatabase to force it to pull the program data without updating the channel list?
[01:15] <sabhain> I really need it to stop resurrecting deleted channels based on the guide data.
[01:21] <skd5aner> sabhain: are you using schedules direct?
[01:21] <skd5aner> sabhain: if so, hide the channels there, and then once deleted in myth they'll never re-populate
[01:24] <skd5aner> sabhain: that's the correct way to do it... otherwise, i think you can use "--remove-new-channels"
[01:41] <sabhain> skd5aner: thanks.  Yes, using schedules direct, but have 3 different tuner types (just added a new one).
[01:41] <sabhain> Can I have multiple lineups at SD?
[01:41] <sabhain> all based on their existing?
[01:46] <sabhain> for example, i don't want my HD-PVR/STB combo to use channels that my HDHR's can use, so I delete them in the setup for the HD-PVR, but they keep coming back.  Schedules direct doesn't seem to let me add my digital lineup twice, and rename it.
[01:46] <skd5aner> sabhain: yes, you can have multiple listings on SD
[01:47] <skd5aner> sabhain: I have a listing for just my analog tuners, a listing for my HDPVR, and a listing for my HDHR
[01:47] <skd5aner> they each only provide the channels relavent to that particular tuner that would use it
[01:47] <sabhain> thats precisely my setup too.  The analogs are easy, as there's a separate lineup.
[01:47] <skd5aner> I believe you can have up to 4 lineups
[01:48] <sabhain> but how do you keep the HDHR and HDPVR apart if they have some of the same channels?
[01:48] <sabhain> are you using Antenna for the HDHR?
[01:48] <skd5aner> QAM
[01:48] <sabhain> I mean the lineup.
[01:49] <sabhain> For me, the HDHR and HDPVR are both linked to the same digital cable lineup.  How do I separate them if I can't add the same digital lineup twice and edit them differently?
[01:50] <skd5aner> sabhain: I have a video source in mythtv set up for each type of tuning - analog, HD-PVR, and QAM...
[01:51] <sabhain> and on Schedules Direct, what do each of those point to?
[01:51] <skd5aner> sabhain: I actually am looking now
[01:52] <skd5aner> I have 2 lineups on SD, one for the analog, and one for the digital cable
[01:52] <skd5aner> if you had an antenna, you'd have one for that
[01:52] <sabhain> Ok, that reflects what I have (1 analog, one digital)
[01:53] <skd5aner> my qam and HDPVR one both use the "digital cable" one, but what I did is HIDE channels for each tuner the channels that I don't want (or can't tune) that tuner too
[01:53] <skd5aner> sorry, I'm kind of remembering how I set this up as I talk through it outloud - I don't have to think about it very often
[01:53] <sabhain> got it .. hide.
[01:53] <skd5aner> yes...
[01:53] <skd5aner> Hide allows the tuner to not use it, even though SD provides data for it
[01:54] <skd5aner> but it will not show up in the guide and it will not use the data to schedule recordings - it's as if the channel doesn't exist from a scheduler or live tv perspective
[01:54] <sabhain> I understand completely.  I had set it up 6 years ago, and forgot it (just analog and HDHR at the time).  Just did the upgrade to 12.04 and added 2 HD-PVR's .. and now have this new scenario that I wasn't prepared for.
[01:54] <sabhain> but if it's hidden, and you're on the HD-PVR, and tune directly to a number that is hidden, I believe it will still try to tune it.
[01:55] <skd5aner> so, for example...
[01:55] <skd5aner> I have SD provide analog and digital lineups, but I have 3 video sources
[01:55] <sabhain> You and I have what sound like "exactly" the same scenario.
[01:56] <skd5aner> each video source will have it's own channel lineup... so you can hide a channel associated with 1 video source,, but not the other
[01:56] <skd5aner> as an FYI, I use the channel editor in mythweb to flip the hide bit
[01:56] <skd5aner> quicker that way
[01:56] <skd5aner> but you have to be more careful
[01:56] <sabhain> yep ..
[01:57] <skd5aner> you could also do it directly in the db, but that's not recommended
[01:57] <skd5aner> you do have to know your video source ID though to make that work
[01:57] <sabhain> while you're here .. you're not by chance running your HD-PVR off a slave backend are you?
[01:57] <skd5aner> which input ID is associated with which video source ID....
[01:57] <skd5aner> ha, yes... I am
[01:57] <skd5aner> Slave Backend/frontend
[01:57] <sabhain> too funny ..
[01:58] <sabhain> any problems getting the slave backend to connect to the master when it's run as a service in the usual fashion?
[01:58] <sabhain> in my setup right now, the HD-PVR appears as  "unavailable" unless, I kill the startup mythbackend, and run mythbackend from inside a console.
[01:59] <sabhain> the auto-start backend doesn't appear to be able to connect with the master .. but if I log a user in, open a terminal and run mythbackend .. connects fine.
[02:00] <tgm4883> sabhain, sounds like incorrect credentials in config.xml
[02:00] <sabhain> on the slave backend?
[02:00] <tgm4883> could be. What happens if you log in as the mythtv user and start the backend?
[02:01] <skd5aner> yea, what's your backend log say?
[02:01] <sabhain> hmmm ... let me check .. what's the mythtv user password if it hasn't been changed?
[02:01] <tgm4883> sabhain, it's generated on install
[02:01] <tgm4883> there is no default pass
[02:02] <sabhain> any text file I can drag that from?
[02:02] <sabhain> nm I'll just change it.
[02:03] <tgm4883> sabhain, well if it works for your user
[02:03] <tgm4883> then /home/<your user>/.mythtv/config.xml
[02:03] <skd5aner> tgm4883: did you happen to see my update on my upstart script issues the other day?
[02:03] <tgm4883> no
[02:04] <skd5aner> tgm4883: it was in mythtv-users...
[02:04] <skd5aner> thought I fixed it, but no luck...
[02:07] <sabhain> tgm4883: thanks!  The xml files were different.  Copied the one from the user that worked and now trying to restart to see if it works
[02:10] <sabhain> tgm4883: tremendous help.  Thanks .. can't believe I didn't think of that .. was so focused on the other setup file ..
[02:17] <sabhain> of course it shows up as available ..  now tuning doesn't seem to be working, but I have some progress.
[02:25] <sabhain> one step forward, 3 steps back
[02:29] <sabhain> now the slave backend process starts & connects.  Thanks for the help on that.
[02:29] <sabhain> but with the reboot, I'm now getting the dreaded "irsend: hardware does not support sending"
[02:30] <sabhain> dmesg reports the zilig initiation wen't ok, and the blaster appears as lirc0 ..
[02:30] <sabhain> I can't described how much I despise TWC and their QAM practices.
[02:51] <sabhain> if anyone can point me to the best resource for lirc debugging, that'd be great.  I appear to have the modules loaded correctly, dmesg reports successful load.
[02:52] <sabhain> but I'm getting "irsend: could not connect to socket" which is typically indicative of lircd not running (it is) or (/var/run/lirc/lircd lacking write permissions .. it has them).
[02:53] <sabhain> 1 hour ago, before fixing my problem with the backend automatic startup, lirc was working fine.  I would periodically need to kick it .. but it functioned.  Now, not so much.
[02:53] <sabhain> Can't get anything out of even command line irsend
[02:53] <sabhain> sorry to flood the channel.
[04:23] <sabhain> skd5aner: thanks for the recommendations on the guide data, went with your approach and it seems to have resolved the channel issues.  Thanks so much.
[14:45] <TandyUK> hey guys, having some issues with a myth box not working with its remote, ive done all the usual diags but im missing something somewhere...
[14:45] <TandyUK> its a new windows mce ir blaster, which is showing up, and using irw i can see keypresses
[14:46] <TandyUK> its also seen by mcc and dkpg-reconfigure and i have tried setting it up as an mce remote, as well as /dev/input...
[14:46] <TandyUK> but mythtv is not seeing the keypresses that irw does
[14:46] <TandyUK> mythfrontend rather
[14:47] <TandyUK> any suggestionswhat to check next?