| xnox | penguin42: re:select - this also depends on libc one is using. | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| penguin42 | xnox: in what way? | 00:10 |
| xnox | penguin42: nevermind, that one got standarized. | 00:11 |
| xnox | Azelphur: does pressing Esc reveal the password promt and/or booting with "splash" removed from the linux cmdline? | 00:12 |
| xnox | Azelphur: do you get normal "ubuntu logo" and progress dots? (or is that a server) | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | xnox: Still, it seems nuts to use an int for a number of fds | 00:13 |
| xnox | If nfds is greater than the number of open files, select() is not guaran- | 00:14 |
| xnox | teed to examine the unused file descriptors. For historical reasons, | 00:14 |
| xnox | select() will always examine the first 256 descriptors. | 00:14 |
| xnox | =/ | 00:14 |
| daftykins | i was not impressed at all with the upgrade i tried | 00:14 |
| daftykins | it came up with questions regarding weird stuff that a user should never be presented with | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: What? | 00:15 |
| daftykins | i ran a desktop 10.04.4 -> 12.04.3 upgrade :D | 00:15 |
| daftykins | one was hilariously displayed purely as square boxes, so presumably character set fail | 00:15 |
| penguin42 | that should be a perfectly reasonable thing to do - LTS-LTS | 00:15 |
| daftykins | window title, message content and the two buttons :D | 00:15 |
| daftykins | yeah, but no it was quite unprofessional indeed | 00:16 |
| daftykins | i think the first message was regarding libc6 | 00:16 |
| daftykins | or libc in general rather | 00:16 |
| daftykins | it only needed 'forward' clicked in a window that came up though | 00:16 |
| daftykins | so no real intelligence needed, though the message content was obscure | 00:16 |
| daftykins | then the character set fail one | 00:17 |
| daftykins | which i came back to after a while expecting it'd chug through installing packages unattended | 00:17 |
| daftykins | then said it'd take 1hr to sort out | 00:17 |
| daftykins | so i shall perhaps take another look at the result tomorrow | 00:17 |
| daftykins | and start looking for a media player replacement for Banshee since it said that'd be unsupported :) | 00:17 |
| daftykins | so my feelings stand on upgrades being funky | 00:18 |
| daftykins | though granted i base this purely on this one example | 00:19 |
| penguin42 | nod, but still should work | 00:22 |
| daftykins | yeah i'm sure there'll be something left afterwards | 00:22 |
| daftykins | i think an upgrade is more likely to have trouble when a system has been used for longer and for more varied tasks, more software installed etc. | 00:23 |
| daftykins | all the obvious things | 00:23 |
| daftykins | but this one hasn't really done much other than be sat in a kitchen with occasional web browsing and music playing | 00:23 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Any PPAs? | 00:24 |
| daftykins | nah | 00:26 |
| daftykins | all stock | 00:26 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:03 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:47 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: phew was getting lonely then :) | 07:49 |
| MartijnVdS | aww | 07:49 |
| MooDoo | hehe that's the down side of getting into work at 6:30 ;) | 07:50 |
| MartijnVdS | but.. I got into work at 8:30 ;) | 07:51 |
| MooDoo | :p | 07:52 |
| MooDoo | I like this Idea, when will someone setup a "i need help with ubuntu feed" - http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/introducing-helpouts-help-when-you-need.html | 07:52 |
| MartijnVdS | wasn't there someone in here who ran a beta helpout? | 07:55 |
| MooDoo | not sure, must have missed that | 07:57 |
| MartijnVdS | popey probably remembers | 07:58 |
| MartijnVdS | popey always remembers | 07:58 |
| popey | that would be SuperMatt | 07:58 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: that you be you then :) | 07:58 |
| popey | http://helpouts.supermatt.net/ | 07:59 |
| MooDoo | pah! - http://helpouts.supermatt.net/getting-started/ 404 ;) | 07:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning all - seen the news? We are saved :-D http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/04/planets-galaxy-life-kepler | 07:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | So we can carry on messing up this one! There are plenty more out there. | 08:01 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | morning diplo | 08:07 |
| === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk | ||
| BigRedS | MooDoo: to be fair, there is an abject shortage of places to go with Ubuntu problems | 08:33 |
| MooDoo | BigRedS: yeah, might be handing to setup a team for this kind of thing? | 08:33 |
| BigRedS | no, I was being sarcastic | 08:33 |
| MooDoo | :p | 08:33 |
| MooDoo | I still think it's a good idea :) | 08:34 |
| popey | there's a shortage of places to go for 1:1 help | 08:35 |
| Myrtti | are those electic dehumidifiers worth looking at? we're currently barely surviving on dehumidifier blocks and I was wondering if something that doesn't require refilling with chemicals to work would be worth it | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | they do work quite well | 08:38 |
| MooDoo | we've actually got a humidifier in the kids room at the moment lol | 08:39 |
| SuperMatt | MooDoo: shouldn't be any 404s. weirdness is happening! | 08:50 |
| MartijnVdS | itshappening.jpg | 08:51 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: thought you should know :D | 08:51 |
| SuperMatt | thanks | 08:51 |
| SuperMatt | well my htacces file is correct | 08:51 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: strange :S | 08:53 |
| SuperMatt | MooDoo: it works now | 08:53 |
| SuperMatt | there were some slight gotchas moving from apache 2.2 to 2.4 | 08:53 |
| MooDoo | woohoo, what was it? | 08:53 |
| SuperMatt | I needed to AllowOverride All | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | so | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | oh yeah know all about them, didn't need the + in the htaccess ;) | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | about helpouts | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | how can I help? | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | lol I was curious and said we need an ubuntu one, then someone remembered you did one :D | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | ah righty | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | well I'm doing beginners | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | It's a great idea :D | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | but today I got an email saying "how do I set up a web proxy and email server" | 08:54 |
| SuperMatt | I'm about to reply and say "that's beyond scope of my helpout" | 08:55 |
| BigRedS | MooDoo: the + adds the override to the extant list; without the + you're setting the canonical list. | 08:55 |
| MartijnVdS | "apt-get install squid postfix" | 08:55 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: ;) | 08:55 |
| SuperMatt | sure, but configuring it is a whole different matter | 08:55 |
| MartijnVdS | won't it ask for a default sane setup? | 08:55 |
| MartijnVdS | I know postfix does | 08:56 |
| SuperMatt | I think the guy wants dovecot too | 08:56 |
| SuperMatt | and how he configures that is all up to him | 08:56 |
| SuperMatt | I aint gonna touch something that affects someone's privacy | 08:56 |
| MartijnVdS | also, 100s of options on how to configure it | 08:56 |
| MartijnVdS | all depending on how you're going to use it | 08:56 |
| SuperMatt | exactly | 08:57 |
| SuperMatt | emailed | 09:00 |
| SuperMatt | I gave the guy as much help as I could | 09:00 |
| === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell | ||
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: Cluckin'Bell? </GTA> | 09:03 |
| SuperMatt | now that helpouts are official, I should finish off some of the sections of my site | 09:04 |
| MooDoo | :) | 09:04 |
| SuperMatt | I actually need to do a test hangout before I start | 09:05 |
| SuperMatt | oh well | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | hehe well if you're online later, I can test hanhout if you need to veify anything, won't be till tonight though | 09:09 |
| SuperMatt | well I won't be home until double-plus latae | 09:09 |
| SuperMatt | -a | 09:09 |
| MooDoo | lol | 09:10 |
| SuperMatt | This is the problem with offering to do helpouts, I don't really have much time | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | deligate ;) | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | have a team to help you out :) | 09:11 |
| SuperMatt | that's not a bad idea | 09:13 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know if it's possible to create a "team" without handing out my google deets though | 09:18 |
| MooDoo | what about doing some irc channel? #ubuntu-helpouts and having people in there that are willing to do it? | 09:19 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: channel created ;) | 09:23 |
| popey | i dunno if the google hangouts T&C allow that | 09:25 |
| popey | s/hangout/helpout/ | 09:25 |
| MooDoo | raaa | 09:25 |
| SuperMatt | you may be right | 09:25 |
| MooDoo | well it's there any way :( | 09:25 |
| SuperMatt | because they vetted me before I was allowed to put up my listing | 09:25 |
| popey | also the whole point of them is to provide 1:1 support from individuals | 09:26 |
| popey | if a group does it, you can't guarantee quality | 09:26 |
| MooDoo | well the channel is there if people want to use it. | 09:26 |
| popey | and who the payment goes to | 09:26 |
| SuperMatt | you're right | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | well | 09:27 |
| === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad | ||
| popey | SuperMatt: do you charge for yours? | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | I'm not accepting payments | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | not yet, anyway | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | I would rather not take any payment for it ever | 09:27 |
| popey | heh, searched for ubuntu and found you | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | but if I start doing more than one a week, I might have to | 09:27 |
| popey | https://helpouts.google.com/104760950939866700163/ls/835dad061e4b03e7 | 09:27 |
| popey | ooh, it just changed the time dynamically | 09:28 |
| SuperMatt | nice | 09:28 |
| MooDoo | well the channel is there and registered if people want to use it, if not it can be removed at a later day | 09:28 |
| MooDoo | date | 09:28 |
| SuperMatt | I figured I should put some availability in | 09:29 |
| popey | yeah, looks odd with no time | 09:29 |
| SuperMatt | there, I've populated this week and next | 09:31 |
| popey | \o/ more Alans | 09:40 |
| SuperMatt | oh gawd /o\ | 09:41 |
| === SuperMatt is now known as SuperAlan | ||
| popey | \o/ | 09:41 |
| SuperAlan | this is too much, even for me | 09:42 |
| === SuperAlan is now known as SuperMatt | ||
| SuperMatt | though at the next release party, we should all have name badges with Alan written on them | 09:43 |
| popey | heh | 09:43 |
| MooDoo | http://rlv.zcache.com.au/alan_alan_alan_greeting_cards-ra5595d4991294ff191f088649b9dad03_xvuak_8byvr_512.jpg | 09:43 |
| popey | or we could have Alan and Not Alan ones | 09:43 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:48 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 09:48 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:48 |
| MooDoo | feeling better today? | 09:48 |
| brobostigon | alittle, | 09:48 |
| mungbean | just received a nigerian 419 spam that was a scanned PDF. weird | 09:58 |
| MooDoo | mungbean: awesome, have you passed them your bank details? | 09:59 |
| jussi | Has anyone seen this on chromium before? http://i.imgur.com/lc15rK3.png | 09:59 |
| MooDoo | mungbean: check http://www.419eater.com/ :) it's a right giggle | 09:59 |
| brobostigon | woop, drum lesson day, :) | 10:00 |
| mgdm | niiiice | 10:02 |
| popey | jussi: what are we looking at? | 10:03 |
| jussi | popey: the menu. It appears if I click on the 1 px space across the top of the screen | 10:03 |
| jussi | if you look carfefully, there is a grey line across the top of the screen | 10:04 |
| popey | top of the screen or top of the window? | 10:04 |
| jussi | screen (as in the screenshot, so the first 1-2px of the picture) | 10:05 |
| popey | i have a menu at the top of the screen so can't easily simulate that | 10:05 |
| popey | what version of chromium? | 10:05 |
| jussi | popey: yeah, its very weird though. I often accidentally click it when I go to click on a tab | 10:06 |
| jussi | wait | 10:06 |
| jussi | Version 30.0.1599.114 Ubuntu 13.10 (30.0.1599.114-0ubuntu0.13.10.2) | 10:06 |
| jussi | This appeared when I upgraded to 13.10. I think its to do with chromium because its not there for other apps, but I wont rule out a KDE something. | 10:07 |
| popey | 29 here | 10:08 |
| * popey updates and gets 30 | 10:11 | |
| jussi | popey: I looked in the settings also, cant see anything there | 10:12 |
| popey | did you left or right click to get that menu? | 10:13 |
| popey | i use desktop decorations with chromium too | 10:13 |
| popey | rather than those blue abominations | 10:13 |
| jussi | left | 10:13 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| jussi | its really like there is a _tiny_ menu bar there | 10:14 |
| popey | no idea, sorry | 10:15 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:59 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 11:00 |
| MartijnVdS | hi | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo, MartijnVdS: How's life treating you | 11:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol: https://plus.google.com/104060033182234025482/posts/gT7APRj4XSj | 11:13 |
| mungbean | "we need a special form to give you a VM." "can you give us the form" "no, nobody knows what the form is, we don't think it exists". | 11:27 |
| mungbean | :-| | 11:27 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Guy Fawkes Day! :-D | 11:29 |
| bashrc | It is kind of odd that there is a day to celebrate a terrorist event | 11:30 |
| mungbean | its celebrating stopping the terrorist event | 11:30 |
| bashrc | I guess so | 11:31 |
| directhex | yeah, the ceremonial burning of the terrorist is part of it | 11:31 |
| directhex | less bad than what he went through in real life | 11:31 |
| mungbean | remember when at the lewes massive bonfire they burned "pikeys" in a caravan? | 11:31 |
| directhex | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0vsxfSRQ1r3feq8o1_400.jpg is a pretty basic starting point for guido fawkes' fate | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | bashrc: no you're wrong, it's a celebration of a terrorist failure which is even funnier :D | 11:32 |
| mungbean | even if the gunpoweder plot never happened, we would do fireworks around this time every year, people would just find a reason | 11:33 |
| directhex | to celebrate the dvd release of V for Vendetta! | 11:34 |
| bigcalm | An old rant by me: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/ | 11:34 |
| MooDoo | I've just bought some from siansburies, the kids will like them | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: or on the 21st of december to celebrate the winter solstice :D | 11:34 |
| penguin42 | mungbean: See Diwali, Chanuka etc etc | 11:35 |
| mungbean | penguin42: but before multiculturalism, UK would probably have found a reason | 11:35 |
| mungbean | wish we cold stnadardise on one day though | 11:36 |
| mungbean | for the sake of my pet and children | 11:36 |
| mungbean | or just ban fireworks | 11:36 |
| MooDoo | I've just purchased a little family pack not that big and bright :) | 11:37 |
| popey | I have never seen V for Vendetta | 11:37 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, +1 | 11:37 |
| popey | bigcalm: sorry to hear about your cat ☹ | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | popey: thanks | 11:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | wot popey said bigcalm | 11:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I feel starving this morning. Might have to go and find an early lunch... | 11:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Suggestions? | 11:41 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: what happened, what did I miss and where | 11:41 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it's ok it's sorted, the court has cleared him | 11:41 |
| mungbean | anyone running a recent version of liferea? | 11:41 |
| mungbean | can't seem to find a ppa for recent releases | 11:42 |
| MooDoo | only one I can see is https://launchpad.net/~liferea/+archive/ppa no r release though :( | 11:43 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: cat got old (17). Woke up to her hind quarters paralysed. Vet said thrombosis and that they couldn't do anything. | 11:43 |
| popey | ☻ | 11:43 |
| popey | er | 11:43 |
| popey | ☹ | 11:43 |
| mungbean | i'm ion 12.04 | 11:43 |
| mungbean | no 1.10 version | 11:43 |
| popey | 1.8.15 in raring | 11:43 |
| popey | saucy even | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: :( man what a bummer you'd just got used to it taking over your life aswell | 11:43 |
| mungbean | Stable: 1.10.2 | 11:44 |
| popey | typing fail today | 11:44 |
| bigcalm | Yes | 11:44 |
| MooDoo | ah only 1.9.99 in the dev ppa | 11:44 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: stop being a wuss and build it from source that's what's it there for ;) | 11:44 |
| mungbean | thats bad idea | 11:45 |
| popey | why? | 11:45 |
| mungbean | cos then i don't get updates | 11:45 |
| popey | update it yourself | 11:45 |
| popey | \o/ open source | 11:45 |
| mungbean | and multiply that by 20 apps? | 11:45 |
| mungbean | full time job | 11:45 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: just grab the deb from some where then and see if it installs | 11:47 |
| awilkins | One could almost call it forking hell #channelSafeRudeJoke | 11:47 |
| popey | davmor2: still wont get updates then | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | popey: you can pin it | 11:48 |
| popey | i dont think that will help | 11:48 |
| popey | he wont get updates | 11:48 |
| mungbean | i need to learn how to make my own ppa | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | popey: well mungbean will have to wait then :D | 11:48 |
| mungbean | 1.8 is from 2 yrs ago | 11:50 |
| mungbean | and there has been signifcant amount of dev since then | 11:50 |
| mungbean | i'd been using lightread which was great but is now stone dead due to google | 11:50 |
| JamesTait | Sorry to hear that, bigcalm. :( | 11:50 |
| awilkins | Making your own PPA is a bit fraught in my experience | 11:51 |
| awilkins | It may have gotten easier | 11:51 |
| SuperMatt | got my first helpout! | 11:52 |
| popey | \o/ | 11:52 |
| popey | what did they want? | 11:52 |
| SuperMatt | doesn't say | 11:52 |
| bashrc | yes it is a bit fraught | 11:52 |
| SuperMatt | it's not until tomorrow night | 11:52 |
| popey | oh | 11:52 |
| mungbean | We will not accept uploads of packages that are unmodified from their original source in Ubuntu or Debian, only packages that include your own changes. | 11:52 |
| popey | why would we want a package in a ppa which is completely unmodified? | 11:53 |
| popey | note: backporting from raring to precise _is_ modifying | 11:53 |
| mungbean | ok | 11:54 |
| SuperMatt | ah, it's quite cool, I can start messaging this guy now to find out his requirements | 11:54 |
| popey | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03g8lxl | 11:56 |
| * popey get_iplayers | 11:56 | |
| MartijnVdS | popey: ooh! | 11:57 |
| mungbean | did you have to do the aaclow etc etc | 11:59 |
| mungbean | --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd | 11:59 |
| popey | I just get_iplayered it | 11:59 |
| popey | no fancy parameters | 11:59 |
| mungbean | i had to do ./get_iplayer --get --pid=b03g8lxl --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd | 11:59 |
| mungbean | saINFO: No specified modes (flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal) available for this programme with version 'default' (try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd) | 11:59 |
| popey | I just did ./get_iplayer --type radio --pid=b03g8lxl | 11:59 |
| popey | without the = | 11:59 |
| mungbean | ah ok ta | 12:00 |
| * bigcalm hugs the web interface | 12:08 | |
| mungbean | what web interface? | 12:08 |
| brobostigon | yummy, chicken toasties, :) | 12:08 |
| bigcalm | WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | :( | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | Doesn't like that pid for me | 12:09 |
| brobostigon | it may not be a valid one. | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | mungbean: http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/get_iplayer-pvr-manager | 12:09 |
| bigcalm | Runs its own web server in perl and allows for easy management of recordings. I still have daily recordings happen from crontab though | 12:10 |
| bigcalm | I had to do a manual search on the name and now it's recording | 12:11 |
| mungbean | if your server isn't always on, are the requests instantaneous if not a future recording? | 12:11 |
| bigcalm | The web server interface is just used (by me) for setting up recordings. So I don't run it when I don't need it | 12:13 |
| brobostigon | also dont run it on a publiclly open machine either. | 12:14 |
| bigcalm | My proliant server is always on, so the cronjobs there fire off recordings once a day with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6364313/ | 12:15 |
| mungbean | how many watts does that draw? | 12:27 |
| * bigcalm shrugs | 12:30 | |
| bigcalm | mungbean: popey might know, though I have a slightly newer model than his. And he has all of the harddrives in the whole world crammed into his | 12:30 |
| mungbean | ah, its a microserver? | 12:30 |
| bigcalm | Yes | 12:30 |
| mungbean | i imagined a rackmounted proliant | 12:31 |
| mungbean | massive thing | 12:31 |
| popey | yeah, mine has 12 drives in it | 12:31 |
| popey | and I haven't monitored the power usage | 12:31 |
| bigcalm | I have 4 drives in mine running as 2 seperate raids | 12:31 |
| mungbean | surprised the PSU can handle 12 drives | 12:32 |
| popey | it cant | 12:33 |
| popey | the server only has 4 bays (5 if you include the optical bay) | 12:33 |
| popey | the other 8 are external | 12:33 |
| mungbean | octopus | 12:34 |
| dogmatic69 | mungbean: I had 2 blades running at home and was around £120 pm :/ | 12:37 |
| mungbean | oof | 12:38 |
| dogmatic69 | well, before was £30 so more like £90 for the two | 12:39 |
| dogmatic69 | All those things are good for is converting money into noise :D | 12:39 |
| mungbean | and heat | 12:40 |
| dogmatic69 | expensive way to heat your house | 12:44 |
| awilkins | I have a 13 year old Sempron box running as my MythTV server that I really should replace with something less noisy and thirsty of current | 12:45 |
| DJones | czajkowski: This looks like something for you https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/988325_593626000722435_1406973811_n.jpg | 12:48 |
| czajkowski | ohh yes | 12:51 |
| mungbean | bad idea to put food next to the laptop fan outlet when running a VM | 13:01 |
| mungbean | warm fruit ewwww | 13:01 |
| DJones | That could have been worse, it might have been an ice cream, but at least you know what to do next time you have soup | 13:02 |
| mungbean | warm crisps are unplaesant too | 13:02 |
| * popey had a warm meatball wrap | 13:03 | |
| mungbean | i'm full but i keep on eating :( | 13:07 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean, popey: --mode=best works for me | 13:08 |
| mungbean | handy | 13:08 |
| mungbean | resolving dependencies sucks. there must be a better way | 13:08 |
| BigRedS | get someone else to? | 13:10 |
| mungbean | hence the pPA discussion | 13:10 |
| BigRedS | oh, I missed a PPA discussion; do those take care of dependencies automagically? | 13:10 |
| mungbean | they install a deb from somebody who did the work ;) | 13:11 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I've pondered creating a PPA before rather than rolling my own debs | 13:12 |
| BigRedS | because that's a lot of faff and, presumably, I can deduce a line for a debian sources.list so I can use it on non-Ubuntu computers :) | 13:12 |
| BigRedS | I think all that's stopped me before is the need to sign the CoC | 13:13 |
| jpds | You could always take the Launchpad source code and build your own buildd farm. | 13:14 |
| mungbean | i don't have a problem with the CoC | 13:14 |
| jpds | Oh wait. | 13:15 |
| BigRedS | jpds: that sounds harder than the odd debuild | 13:15 |
| BigRedS | mungbean: yeah, I've nothing against it. It's just a step I've not done and I'd probably need to make gpg work again etc. | 13:15 |
| mungbean | No package 'sqlite3' found | 13:16 |
| mungbean | grrrr | 13:16 |
| mungbean | it is installed | 13:16 |
| mungbean | they wanted libwxsqlite3-2.8-dev | 13:17 |
| jussi | Myrtti: are you about? | 14:56 |
| GentileBen | Myrtti did you get your N5? | 15:01 |
| GentileBen | The bastards didn't deliver to my house yesterday (nobod home...). | 15:01 |
| directhex | huh. unity3d free for xbox one developers. wonder how many xbone developers will ship on other unity3d platforms while they're at it | 15:05 |
| mgdm | wow | 15:06 |
| Laney | bah | 15:21 |
| * Laney gives in to the gods of central heating | 15:22 | |
| MooDoo | oh laney laney it's not that cold. | 15:22 |
| * AlanBell has spent all day trying to get warm | 15:22 | |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: same here | 15:23 |
| Laney | feels cold to me | 15:23 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: speak for yourself in your airconned building at a regulated temperature in the really world it's between 9-11 C that's chilly enough :P | 15:26 |
| * GentileBen throws another cheese log on MartijnVdS' fire | 15:26 | |
| GentileBen | davmor2, I'm in an air-conditioned building. | 15:27 |
| GentileBen | We have vents in the floor and everything. | 15:27 |
| GentileBen | It's sometimes a shock when you step outside... | 15:27 |
| hamitron | put an extra jumper on | 15:27 |
| hamitron | ;) | 15:27 |
| GentileBen | hamitron = Tory boy | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | BigRedS: you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA | 15:28 |
| GentileBen | Us socialists set fire to the third bar. | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | i know it says you do, but you don't | 15:28 |
| hamitron | tbh, I have 4 jumpers on.... no heating here | 15:29 |
| ali1234 | you do need a gpg key though | 15:29 |
| AlanBell | some of the code of conduct stuff got relaxed because Launchpad gets used for quite a bit of not-ubuntu stuff | 15:30 |
| hamitron | can you unsign it? | 15:30 |
| ali1234 | yes | 15:31 |
| hamitron | tbh, I can't even remember what it said | 15:31 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: http://members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/2943/scout-promise-law-an | 15:32 |
| * hamitron checks this is still the ubuntu channel | 15:34 | |
| AlanBell | dyb dyb dyb | 15:36 |
| bashrc | AFAIK you do need to sign the CoC to create a PPA | 15:38 |
| ali1234 | you don't https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | uh, hum | 15:40 |
| Myrtti | yes | 15:40 |
| Myrtti | about 20 to two o'clock yesterday | 15:40 |
| Myrtti | GentileBen ^ | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | jussi: barely | 15:43 |
| mungbean | after suspend/restore, my laptop brightness gets stuck at low - any suggestions how to reset it ? | 15:53 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: turn it up | 15:54 |
| mungbean | nope, the hotkeys stop working | 15:55 |
| mungbean | um actually | 15:55 |
| mungbean | they *did* stop working | 15:55 |
| mungbean | forget i said anything :P | 15:55 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: they work fine here, except the volume keys | 15:56 |
| mungbean | yeah it's a toshiba... | 15:57 |
| mungbean | only happens after a suspend | 15:57 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: don't suspend | 15:57 |
| Myrtti | oh yes, also managed to get a new 3 sim working after the fail of yesterday, so I guess I might be finally flashing my galaxy nexus with Ubuntu touch today | 15:58 |
| awilkins | I found my brightness hotkeys started to work with 13.10 on my HP G72 \o/ | 15:58 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: enjoy I recommend using trusty as the base it's much smoother than Saucy | 15:59 |
| awilkins | It's a shame about the silly input locale thing that makes it boot into US keyboard layout until you flip out of X with ctrl-alt-F1 and back with ctrl-alt-F7 | 15:59 |
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| davmor2 | mungbean: isn't there a package for toshiba I might be dreaming let me have a look | 15:59 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: apt-cahce search toshiba there are a few packages that might help you | 16:03 |
| mungbean | thanks | 16:08 |
| mungbean | man , doing debbuild for PPA is a pain | 16:10 |
| mungbean | make and make install work fine. | 16:11 |
| bigcalm | Anybody here bought a Moga Pro? | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | We are crowdfunding a cluster of Pis . . . http://igg.me/at/ubupi/x/5206923 to build Ubuntu | 16:51 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: is there a reason other than "it's fun" you can't do the actual building on qemu? (Genuinely curious!) | 16:56 |
| mgdm | I just imagine the RPi being really inefficient and going through SD cards like nobody's business | 16:56 |
| AlanBell | well qemu is probably a bit inefficient, and I don't want to pay for a heap of cloud time and end up with nothing to show for it | 16:57 |
| mungbean | compiling rpms is 1000x easier and more intuitive :( | 17:01 |
| AlanBell | click packages might be simpler mungbean | 17:02 |
| mungbean | oh, it seems to have worked! | 17:03 |
| AlanBell | bit phone focussed at the moment, but the idea is that desktop things that are appish will be done that way | 17:03 |
| mungbean | i haz a deb file! | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | yay | 17:04 |
| mungbean | blindly typing commands | 17:04 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: I have an underutilized OVH box I'd be happy to turn into a buildbot until the RPis show up? | 17:04 |
| directhex | mungbean, rpm is better in a small number of regards, but is generally really archaic and stupid | 17:05 |
| directhex | i've done RPMs for SLES for my last job | 17:05 |
| directhex | so many features i consider basic are missing | 17:05 |
| mungbean | they are dumb but handy | 17:05 |
| AlanBell | mgdm: we have plenty of intel servers, the cluster is an interesting side project though :) | 17:05 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: fairy nuff | 17:06 |
| mungbean | deb fails to install :( | 17:09 |
| mungbean | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/liferea.png', which is also in package liferea-data 1.8.3-0.1ubuntu2 | 17:09 |
| mungbean | oh well, one to look at tomorrow | 17:09 |
| mungbean | ah did not read the error :D | 17:10 |
| directhex | if that's intentional, you can mark your package as Replaces: liferea-data, which means dpkg will allow any file from liferea-data to be overwritten by a file from your package | 17:11 |
| directhex | if it's unintentional and your package's installation should remove liferea-data, then you want a Breaks: liferea-data | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: qemu is faster than real hardware... | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: and again, OBS is the answer to all your problems | 17:35 |
| * AlanBell thinks ali1234 is %100 right, but carrys on anyway :) | 17:36 | |
| ali1234 | hell, you can probably do this in the opensuse instance at zero cost | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | the initial bootstrap might be a bit tricky but you'll have that problem no matter how you do it | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | plus it's been done before - we had the same problem with meego | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | so, how are you going to bootstrap it anyway, given that the pi can't run the existing packages? | 17:41 |
| ali1234 | surely you want to make a build farm out of hardware that can run the official toolchain in order to be able to build your own... | 17:42 |
| directhex | qemu isn't appropriate. | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | open to advice on getting started, either building from raspbian initially, or cross compile from Ubuntu I guess | 17:45 |
| directhex | i could probably give advice on it, if i had time | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | well the campaign is running to christmas and I am kind of aiming for a 14.04 release date for a bootable SD card that runs *something* | 17:48 |
| directhex | shouldn't be too hard | 17:57 |
| directhex | the hard part is deciding whether to do it right, or do it easy | 17:58 |
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| ali1234 | AlanBell: you may find this useful: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/cpucheck-0.2.tar.gz | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ Hyperbole and a Half book arrived | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: i highly suggest you don't use a power supply for every pi | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: how would that work? | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | you get one beefy power supply and a splitter cable | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | i was talking about this on someone's G+ | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | looking for it now | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: they got your name a bit wrong on that blog | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: was it you? | 19:25 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: They can power off USB can't they? | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | sure | 19:26 |
| penguin42 | so just a good (ok rare) USB PSU with multiple outputs | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | the point is you don't want 32 dc adapters | 19:27 |
| penguin42 | nod | 19:27 |
| shauno | an ATX supply might not be a terrible idea. cheap & plentiful, and a 400W supply should give you about 40A on the 5V rail | 19:33 |
| shauno | and the interwebs are littered with tutorials for converting them to bench supplies, so you don't have to make it up as you go along | 19:34 |
| directhex | ok, right | 19:35 |
| directhex | if i might make an observation | 19:35 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: yeah, I would like to not use a power supply per pi | 19:36 |
| directhex | what you want, AlanBell, from the *hardware* perspective, is to rackmount things, and have independent individual power control over each board, to allow for power cycling | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | shauno: that is a good idea, I was wondering how to get a high amp 5v rail | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | you don't want ATX | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | you won't be loading it properly | 19:36 |
| directhex | i.e. you want something one of our engineers designed & constructed for rack-mounting a dozen ARM boards | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | interesting | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | http://raspberrycolocation.com/ | 19:37 |
| AlanBell | yeah, seen that MartijnVdS | 19:37 |
| directhex | http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/when-you-make-something-cleaning-it-out.html | 19:37 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/PicknBuy-ports-individual-Switch-Black/dp/B005JNZTYU | 19:40 |
| popey | like that it has switches | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | it is possible to feed 5v into the GPIO pins instead of through the microusb port | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | but then you need to be really sure it is a good 5v | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | check the schematic, but yes i think so | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | interesting, not entirely clear it can support 7 power hungry things, it is a hub, not just a power distribution unit | 19:42 |
| popey | yeah | 19:42 |
| popey | but something like that would be nice | 19:42 |
| AlanBell | but it might be a start for something to canibalise | 19:42 |
| directhex | no good if you end up needing storage | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | https://plus.google.com/114588339784440319020/posts/7ZPVXnmyimz | 19:44 |
| AlanBell | so, do you think that running cat5 to them all would be better than wifi? | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | yessss | 19:45 |
| popey | without a doubt | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | 32 devices on wifi? lol | 19:45 |
| AlanBell | given that the network on the pi is kinda hanging off the USB anyhow and wifi N should be quite quick | 19:45 |
| directhex | i'm just saying we've *done* this, in production, albeit with freescale imx5/imx6 boards and only one pi | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | directhex: yeah, reading the article, looks like a nice build | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | depends a bit how the funding goes really as to what approach is best | 19:47 |
| AlanBell | it doesn't need to be rack mounted and I don't want any fans really | 19:47 |
| directhex | i was out fetching the boy, so i missed a bunch of backlog | 19:47 |
| directhex | what was your plan regarding the dpkg architecture? | 19:47 |
| AlanBell | open to suggestions, my thought was to start from raspbian, and build enough of it to self-host for the rest of the build | 19:49 |
| directhex | yeah, that's how you bootstrap an architecture | 19:50 |
| directhex | but the question was more about how you name it | 19:50 |
| directhex | so in debian, there's "armel" which is ARMv4 with no add-ons. there's "armhf" which is ARMv7 with floating point | 19:50 |
| AlanBell | oh, like a variation on armhf | 19:50 |
| AlanBell | raspbian calls it armhf, but I think that is tweaked in a way I don't understand yet | 19:50 |
| directhex | raspbian overloads the "armhf" name for ARMv6 with floating point, so armhf packages don't work on raspbian but raspbian's "armhf" packages do | 19:51 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: hf means it uses the hardware floating point bits | 19:51 |
| directhex | ubuntu armhf is the same as debian, in that it targets ARMv7 with floating point | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: yeah, I know that bit, I just wasn't sure about the bit directhex is currently explaining so well :) | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | call it: armpit | 19:52 |
| AlanBell | so I don't know the answer to this at all, can we just make an armrp architecture or something? | 19:52 |
| MartijnVdS | armv6hf | 19:52 |
| directhex | AlanBell, so what you're doing here is rebuilding ubuntu for ARMv6 with floating point. i guess what i'm asking is whether you plan on co-opting an incompatible architecture's name, or adding an arch name which is clearly not compatible | 19:52 |
| AlanBell | armpit is good :) | 19:52 |
| MartijnVdS | but then, armv7 could probably run armv6 code? | 19:52 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, yes | 19:53 |
| directhex | AlanBell, working on mono i have a lot of exposure to this, as it's not as simple as "what does GCC do" - the question is "what does the JITter generate?" | 19:53 |
| AlanBell | I don't know enough to answer the question really, I think I would lean towards a clearly not compatible arch name, however I don't know how much additional pain that would cause | 19:55 |
| directhex | AlanBell, if you add an architecture name, you have benefitsof not needing to support users who say "X app doesn't work" where X was downloaded for "real" armhf or armel (whichever you abuse) | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | why wouldn't armel work? | 19:55 |
| directhex | but if you add an arch name, you need to do more work - e.g. every source package with a hardcoded arch list would need modifying | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | i mean an armel package | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: little endian, no hardware floating point | 19:56 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 19:56 |
| AlanBell | yeah, people who mix what we build with packages for raspbian might get in trouble | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | armhf is big endian? | 19:56 |
| popey | creating a new name sounds like pain | 19:56 |
| directhex | ali1234, armhf libs & apps can't call into armel libs | 19:56 |
| directhex | ali1234, the ABI is different. type lengths, register targets, etc | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | oh, i thought it was only the other way around | 19:56 |
| AlanBell | and it would be nice if someone could have a deb that supports raspbian and ubuntu | 19:56 |
| directhex | ali1234, you can run both on the same kernel, but you need to start from the ground up (i.e. libc) | 19:57 |
| AlanBell | so maybe abusing armhf is worth doing | 19:57 |
| directhex | AlanBell, then you want to re-use the armhf name | 19:57 |
| jussi | Myrtti: was wondering if you have any opinions on Netflix vs Viaplay? which one is better? are they the same with a different name? | 19:57 |
| Myrtti | jussi: no opinions, haven't tried viaplay and my opinions on netflix are limited on the experience I had a year ago on Nexus 7 | 19:58 |
| jussi | Myrtti: ok, fair enough :) | 19:58 |
| davmor2 | ha fox news got hacked | 20:04 |
| daftykins | ooh? :) | 20:05 |
| DJones | davmor2: Its probably Apple getting their own back on a Fox family of channels website for taking the mickey out of Siri in the Simpsons | 20:06 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: they fixed it now but it did look like this http://i.imgur.com/egOb8Eg.jpg | 20:06 |
| daftykins | heh | 20:09 |
| daftykins | in fairness i had to really look to notice a difference since i'm not familiar with their site :D | 20:09 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: it's fox I thought it was their headlines :D | 20:10 |
| * popey times building glibc on ubuntu on rpi | 20:11 | |
| ali1234 | davmor2: that screenshot is weird. it has a mixture of stuff from months ago and stuff from today... | 20:12 |
| diddledan | ok, other than "here is some stuff yo" and "weeeeeeeeeeeeee - stuff yo" it looks pretty normal to me | 20:12 |
| popey | so it turns out building glibc on a pi takes $TIME++ | 20:18 |
| popey | ☻ | 20:18 |
| popey | Who'd have thunk it | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | slow cpu, slow storage... yeah | 20:20 |
| davmor2 | me me I'd of thunk it popey building anything on a pi takes an age | 20:20 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you forgot low memory too | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | 512mb is a lot | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | should be enough for glibc | 20:21 |
| diddledan | --gfx | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | it's not like you're running unity or something | 20:21 |
| davmor2 | it's enough for anything but like anything more helps on pc's :) | 20:21 |
| diddledan | yeah, but you still need to remove some of that 512 for the gfx | 20:21 |
| daftykins | i returned to the system that was doing an upgrade between 10.04.4 and 12.04.3 today | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | 512mb might not be enough for large C++ things | 20:22 |
| daftykins | it had yet another lovely full-of-squares character set fail dialogue box :D | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | diddledan: 16MB for graphics | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | OpenCL compiling? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | raspberry pi doesn't support opencl | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: hmm | 20:23 |
| davmor2 | popey: build libreoffice from source you know you want to :D | 20:23 |
| popey | mine doesn't have 512MB ☻ | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you have Ye Olde Raspberrye Pye? | 20:24 |
| popey | ya | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | just use qemu... it will be about 10x faster | 20:24 |
| AlanBell | I have a couple of new ones and a ye olde | 20:24 |
| popey | nah, this is fun ☻ | 20:24 |
| diddledan | I have thee ye olde | 20:31 |
| diddledan | three* | 20:31 |
| mungbean | directhex: thanks, while file do i put the breaks: replaces: bits in? | 20:41 |
| mungbean | why does everyone have industrial/event scale fireworks in their back gardens this year? | 20:44 |
| daftykins | haha | 20:45 |
| daftykins | intermittent distant bangs going off here | 20:45 |
| mungbean | serious competition going on with neighbours | 20:45 |
| mungbean | massive "cake" style fireworks kicking off | 20:45 |
| mungbean | amazed my son went to sleep | 20:45 |
| daftykins | hrmm i just tried out these 1080p 60fps videos of new game titles on the new generation of consoles, the videos don't play smoothly on my poor nvidia ion1 based HTPC :) | 20:45 |
| directhex | mungbean, debian/control, under the relevant Package: line | 20:46 |
| mungbean | thx | 20:46 |
| * AlanBell isn't keen on cake fireworks for gardens | 20:47 | |
| AlanBell | single ignition displays are dangerous | 20:47 |
| daubers | The kitten doesn't like them either | 20:47 |
| AlanBell | if they are not secured and fall over you have another 99 shots coming at you | 20:48 |
| mungbean | few people have been putting them 10m away on the field opposite (houses only one side along a cul de sac). not clever either | 20:48 |
| mungbean | falls over and its like the blitz on your doorstep | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | did you guys read that story about the mayor of the town who went around blowing up cars? | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | ex-mayor sorry | 20:49 |
| shauno | was that the one who was running them over with a tank? | 20:49 |
| AlanBell | I get cheap small fireworks from Lidl, I used to set off displays, cat3/cat4 stuff but I only do the smallest stuff possible in the garden | 20:50 |
| mungbean | boris biker got killed today outside my office | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | cat4? isn't that hard for even 100mbit? ;) | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | shauno: no, he was just throwing around home made bombs | 20:50 |
| AlanBell | mungbean: oh no :( | 20:50 |
| daftykins | ali1234: what was his motiviation? | 20:51 |
| daftykins | *motivation | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | the lulz apparently | 20:51 |
| daftykins | bloody SSH lag | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474906/Denbigh-ex-mayor-John-Larsen-guilty-blowing-car.html | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | sorry about DM links | 20:51 |
| shauno | ali1234: there was one a while back who was driving an APC over cars that were illegally parked | 20:51 |
| mungbean | all i see is kittens | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507 | 20:51 |
| mungbean | weird, liferea ran once now refuses to display | 20:52 |
| mungbean | better try when i'm not 10 miles away from the machnine | 20:53 |
| mungbean | recvfrom(6, 0x1352f24, 4096, 0, 0, 0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) | 20:53 |
| DJones | mungbean: We've had to send our dog to my parents, he'd be going balistic if he was at home, he really doesn't like them | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: my uncle lives in denbigh, last time I went to visit him I was diverted because the bomb squad had closed the road | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | hmm... definitely related | 20:54 |
| mungbean | you can give dognip to dogs | 20:55 |
| mungbean | fllower remedies and/or evening primrose oil | 20:55 |
| mungbean | and some pheromone sprays 3 weeks in advamve | 20:55 |
| mungbean | but ours only gets tetchy when we're in bed so she's protecting the house | 20:56 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: in fact, that photo at the top is of the day I was there, I saw that bit by the building site | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | well, now you know... | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | unless you already knew | 20:56 |
| AlanBell | I would have turned left by the blue tent :) | 20:57 |
| DJones | mungbean: Yeah, this is after he's been on calming med's for the last 10 days | 20:57 |
| DJones | mungbean: If he'd been at home, he'd have a valium in his tea | 20:58 |
| mungbean | sounds nice | 21:00 |
| daftykins | heh silly dogs | 21:01 |
| MartijnVdS | omg.. AFC Wimbledon, now supported by a FIFA-playing author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxAmFy3Wjd8 | 21:12 |
| daftykins | you and your nasty sports | 21:21 |
| * penguin42 tries to upgrade his Indy that hasn't been booted for about 12 years (Debian) | 21:24 | |
| directhex | is that big or little endian? | 21:31 |
| penguin42 | big | 21:32 |
| directhex | hmph | 21:32 |
| directhex | these days the only things with big endian mips in are network switches | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | hmm someone signed up for craigslist with my email | 21:32 |
| ali1234 | looks like someone thnks my email address is theirs | 21:33 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: not sure, although I would have said the same about using a dedicated power supply, or not splitting the current between things | 21:33 |
| directhex | ali1234, http://xkcd.com/1279/ | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: it was daubers | 21:33 |
| dwatkins | aha ok | 21:33 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Yeh they're rare these days | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't care but they are apparently posting in *that* part of craigslist | 21:34 |
| daftykins | ali1234: welcome to my world! i have a handful of 'friends' across the US that keep signing me up to stuff | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | this explains all the weird dating site emails i got last month too | 21:34 |
| daftykins | i keep resetting Debi in Scottsdale, Arizona's account passwords, logging in and trying to cancel her online orders to make her realise that i will not put up with it any longer | 21:35 |
| mungbean | i've received rude pics too | 21:37 |
| daftykins | :O | 21:37 |
| mungbean | large ladies taking photos of themselves in underwear | 21:37 |
| mungbean | and worse | 21:37 |
| mungbean | no title or anything | 21:37 |
| mungbean | so a bit of a shock sometimes | 21:38 |
| daftykins | :S | 21:38 |
| mungbean | i delete and hope the wife doesn't see my unsolicited admirers | 21:38 |
| daftykins | mungbean: i'd need a day off work after such a traumatic experience | 21:38 |
| mungbean | usually its a random pic in a bar | 21:39 |
| mungbean | "hey i like that pic, send it me" | 21:39 |
| mungbean | mungbean@gmail.com | 21:39 |
| mungbean | nope, mungbean56, woops too late | 21:40 |
| diddledan | kernel 3.12 aparently includes support for powerup up and down nvidia optimus chips | 21:48 |
| daftykins | very good news | 21:49 |
| * popey is on 3.12 | 21:51 | |
| popey | not had any gpu lockups yet | 21:51 |
| popey | only been 14 hours though | 21:51 |
| * popey launches minecraft which will do it | 21:51 | |
| diddledan | and metro last light is now on steam for linux | 21:51 |
| diddledan | and unrelated: the screen on the nexus 5 is wow | 21:52 |
| daftykins | hrmm i am getting concerned with my boiler which fires up quite regularly, gurgles a bit, then shuts off | 21:52 |
| daftykins | i guess it's just maintaining temperature on a volume of water? | 21:53 |
| daftykins | but it never used to do it so often i thought | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | oh lordy, the replies from craigslist are rolling in | 21:55 |
| daftykins | promise them the earth | 21:56 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: You do get failure modes where they decide they've got too hot and shut themselves off - any failure codes or anything like that? | 22:07 |
| diddledan | ooh, specific rim is available on android download | 22:07 |
| daftykins | penguin42: hrmm i shall have a gander at the display but i don't think so, as it just kicks in for a few seconds then off as though it's bringing itself up to temp | 22:08 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: How often? | 22:08 |
| daftykins | seems to be at least hourly now | 22:10 |
| daftykins | display just reads 52 deg C at and that's it, so i think all's fine | 22:11 |
| daftykins | doesn't help that it's in an outhouse (: | 22:11 |
| daftykins | i really need to wire up an internal control soon, else winter won't be fun | 22:11 |
| daftykins | have to nip out my back door and into the outhouse and flick it on and off manually for any central heating use | 22:12 |
| diddledan | ouch | 22:12 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Yes, ending up doing things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K53yjs7e9KQ | 22:12 |
| daftykins | you know it actually has been dipping cold then warming up again in the shower lately! | 22:13 |
| daftykins | perhaps i've got the dials too high then | 22:15 |
| daftykins | penguin42: you may well be onto something there - thanks :) | 22:26 |
| shauno | mr bell has me wanting to cluster a bunch of pis just to figure it out, but I have no need/reason/budget :/ | 22:53 |
| daftykins | shauno: XD | 22:56 |
| daftykins | i'm off, laters all \o | 22:56 |
| shauno | counting the open ports on my switches, multiplying by 35 euro, 'n thinking .. hmmm | 22:58 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: For us what we had was it would cut off in the shower and go cold | 22:58 |
| shauno | mine did the gurgling thing for a while, but I suspect a completely different resolution. I just had to bleed the supply line (oil heating ..) | 23:01 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It turned out when the pump in ours exploded a few years back they fitted the wrong - lower flow rate - version and it was never quite right until that was noticed | 23:04 |
| penguin42 | I worry about google; how long have they known me? When I search for dvhtool coff kernel and it gives me a page on Kennel cough as the top match?! | 23:35 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 | 23:37 |
| Azelphur | just figured I'd show you this | 23:37 |
| Azelphur | sometimes, I love bitcoin :P | 23:38 |
| Azelphur | banks won't give you that kinda interest, hahaha | 23:38 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Damn you - I hate being reminded why I should have bought something.... | 23:38 |
| Azelphur | xD | 23:38 |
| Azelphur | I'm sitting on 115 BTC, so in the past month that's $12650 up in value | 23:39 |
| * penguin42 cries | 23:39 | |
| Azelphur | hehe | 23:39 |
| AlanBell | nice | 23:39 |
| shauno | I assume you read that one about the guy who bought $27 in 2007, and then forgot about it? | 23:39 |
| Azelphur | shauno: indeed, pretty cool | 23:40 |
| Azelphur | I'm not quite that lucky, but I bought the majority of my BTC at £8 | 23:40 |
| Azelphur | and another massive pile at 80 | 23:40 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| penguin42 | Azelphur: It wasn't you who had the high end search rig for them? | 23:41 |
| shauno | he cashed out 1/5th of them and bought an appartment in oslo :/ so that's .. $5.40? | 23:41 |
| AlanBell | sadly indiegogo doesn't take bitcoins :) | 23:41 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: I also have a high end mining rig :) | 23:41 |
| AlanBell | as far as I am aware | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | shauno: I still think the first bitcoin transaction is the best one | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | someone bought a pizza for 10,000 BTC | 23:42 |
| AlanBell | gosh | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | which now days is approximately 1.5 million GBP | 23:42 |
| AlanBell | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 got some pledges in already :) | 23:45 |
| * Azelphur watches | 23:45 | |
| shauno | I'm curious, why 32 nodes? or is it just a nice round number | 23:49 |
| AlanBell | nice round number | 23:49 |
| AlanBell | it appears to be enough to do it in a reasonable timescale, it would be nice to have more, but you have to pick something as a target | 23:50 |
| AlanBell | much less than that and it isn't really a crowdfunding project, much more than that and it becomes an over-ambitious target | 23:51 |
| shauno | hm, indiegogo to the mandatory postcode fail :( | 23:58 |
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