[00:09] penguin42: re:select - this also depends on libc one is using. [00:10] xnox: in what way? [00:11] penguin42: nevermind, that one got standarized. [00:12] Azelphur: does pressing Esc reveal the password promt and/or booting with "splash" removed from the linux cmdline? [00:13] Azelphur: do you get normal "ubuntu logo" and progress dots? (or is that a server) [00:13] xnox: Still, it seems nuts to use an int for a number of fds [00:14] If nfds is greater than the number of open files, select() is not guaran- [00:14] teed to examine the unused file descriptors. For historical reasons, [00:14] select() will always examine the first 256 descriptors. [00:14] =/ [00:14] i was not impressed at all with the upgrade i tried [00:15] it came up with questions regarding weird stuff that a user should never be presented with [00:15] daftykins: What? [00:15] i ran a desktop 10.04.4 -> 12.04.3 upgrade :D [00:15] one was hilariously displayed purely as square boxes, so presumably character set fail [00:15] that should be a perfectly reasonable thing to do - LTS-LTS [00:15] window title, message content and the two buttons :D [00:16] yeah, but no it was quite unprofessional indeed [00:16] i think the first message was regarding libc6 [00:16] or libc in general rather [00:16] it only needed 'forward' clicked in a window that came up though [00:16] so no real intelligence needed, though the message content was obscure [00:17] then the character set fail one [00:17] which i came back to after a while expecting it'd chug through installing packages unattended [00:17] then said it'd take 1hr to sort out [00:17] so i shall perhaps take another look at the result tomorrow [00:17] and start looking for a media player replacement for Banshee since it said that'd be unsupported :) [00:18] so my feelings stand on upgrades being funky [00:19] though granted i base this purely on this one example [00:22] nod, but still should work [00:22] yeah i'm sure there'll be something left afterwards [00:23] i think an upgrade is more likely to have trouble when a system has been used for longer and for more varied tasks, more software installed etc. [00:23] all the obvious things [00:23] but this one hasn't really done much other than be sat in a kitchen with occasional web browsing and music playing [00:24] daftykins: Any PPAs? [00:26] nah [00:26] all stock [07:03] morning all [07:47] \o [07:49] MartijnVdS: phew was getting lonely then :) [07:49] aww [07:50] hehe that's the down side of getting into work at 6:30 ;) [07:51] but.. I got into work at 8:30 ;) [07:52] :p [07:52] I like this Idea, when will someone setup a "i need help with ubuntu feed" - http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/introducing-helpouts-help-when-you-need.html [07:55] wasn't there someone in here who ran a beta helpout? [07:57] not sure, must have missed that [07:58] popey probably remembers [07:58] popey always remembers [07:58] that would be SuperMatt [07:58] SuperMatt: that you be you then :) [07:59] http://helpouts.supermatt.net/ [07:59] pah! - http://helpouts.supermatt.net/getting-started/ 404 ;) [07:59] Morning all - seen the news? We are saved :-D http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/04/planets-galaxy-life-kepler [08:01] So we can carry on messing up this one! There are plenty more out there. [08:06] Morning all [08:07] morning diplo === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:33] MooDoo: to be fair, there is an abject shortage of places to go with Ubuntu problems [08:33] BigRedS: yeah, might be handing to setup a team for this kind of thing? [08:33] no, I was being sarcastic [08:33] :p [08:34] I still think it's a good idea :) [08:35] there's a shortage of places to go for 1:1 help [08:35] are those electic dehumidifiers worth looking at? we're currently barely surviving on dehumidifier blocks and I was wondering if something that doesn't require refilling with chemicals to work would be worth it [08:38] they do work quite well [08:39] we've actually got a humidifier in the kids room at the moment lol [08:50] MooDoo: shouldn't be any 404s. weirdness is happening! [08:51] itshappening.jpg [08:51] SuperMatt: thought you should know :D [08:51] thanks [08:51] well my htacces file is correct [08:53] SuperMatt: strange :S [08:53] MooDoo: it works now [08:53] there were some slight gotchas moving from apache 2.2 to 2.4 [08:53] woohoo, what was it? [08:54] I needed to AllowOverride All [08:54] so [08:54] oh yeah know all about them, didn't need the + in the htaccess ;) [08:54] about helpouts [08:54] how can I help? [08:54] lol I was curious and said we need an ubuntu one, then someone remembered you did one :D [08:54] ah righty [08:54] well I'm doing beginners [08:54] It's a great idea :D [08:54] but today I got an email saying "how do I set up a web proxy and email server" [08:55] I'm about to reply and say "that's beyond scope of my helpout" [08:55] MooDoo: the + adds the override to the extant list; without the + you're setting the canonical list. [08:55] "apt-get install squid postfix" [08:55] SuperMatt: ;) [08:55] sure, but configuring it is a whole different matter [08:55] won't it ask for a default sane setup? [08:56] I know postfix does [08:56] I think the guy wants dovecot too [08:56] and how he configures that is all up to him [08:56] I aint gonna touch something that affects someone's privacy [08:56] also, 100s of options on how to configure it [08:56] all depending on how you're going to use it [08:57] exactly [09:00] emailed [09:00] I gave the guy as much help as I could === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:03] AlanBell: Cluckin'Bell? [09:04] now that helpouts are official, I should finish off some of the sections of my site [09:04] :) [09:05] I actually need to do a test hangout before I start [09:05] oh well [09:09] hehe well if you're online later, I can test hanhout if you need to veify anything, won't be till tonight though [09:09] well I won't be home until double-plus latae [09:09] -a [09:10] lol [09:10] This is the problem with offering to do helpouts, I don't really have much time [09:10] deligate ;) [09:11] have a team to help you out :) [09:13] that's not a bad idea [09:18] I don't know if it's possible to create a "team" without handing out my google deets though [09:19] what about doing some irc channel? #ubuntu-helpouts and having people in there that are willing to do it? [09:23] SuperMatt: channel created ;) [09:25] i dunno if the google hangouts T&C allow that [09:25] s/hangout/helpout/ [09:25] raaa [09:25] you may be right [09:25] well it's there any way :( [09:25] because they vetted me before I was allowed to put up my listing [09:26] also the whole point of them is to provide 1:1 support from individuals [09:26] if a group does it, you can't guarantee quality [09:26] well the channel is there if people want to use it. [09:26] and who the payment goes to [09:27] you're right [09:27] well === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:27] SuperMatt: do you charge for yours? [09:27] I'm not accepting payments [09:27] not yet, anyway [09:27] I would rather not take any payment for it ever [09:27] heh, searched for ubuntu and found you [09:27] but if I start doing more than one a week, I might have to [09:27] https://helpouts.google.com/104760950939866700163/ls/835dad061e4b03e7 [09:28] ooh, it just changed the time dynamically [09:28] nice [09:28] well the channel is there and registered if people want to use it, if not it can be removed at a later day [09:28] date [09:29] I figured I should put some availability in [09:29] yeah, looks odd with no time [09:31] there, I've populated this week and next [09:40] \o/ more Alans [09:41] oh gawd /o\ === SuperMatt is now known as SuperAlan [09:41] \o/ [09:42] this is too much, even for me === SuperAlan is now known as SuperMatt [09:43] though at the next release party, we should all have name badges with Alan written on them [09:43] heh [09:43] http://rlv.zcache.com.au/alan_alan_alan_greeting_cards-ra5595d4991294ff191f088649b9dad03_xvuak_8byvr_512.jpg [09:43] or we could have Alan and Not Alan ones [09:48] good morning everyone. [09:48] morning brobostigon [09:48] morning MooDoo [09:48] feeling better today? [09:48] alittle, [09:58] just received a nigerian 419 spam that was a scanned PDF. weird [09:59] mungbean: awesome, have you passed them your bank details? [09:59] Has anyone seen this on chromium before? http://i.imgur.com/lc15rK3.png [09:59] mungbean: check http://www.419eater.com/ :) it's a right giggle [10:00] woop, drum lesson day, :) [10:02] niiiice [10:03] jussi: what are we looking at? [10:03] popey: the menu. It appears if I click on the 1 px space across the top of the screen [10:04] if you look carfefully, there is a grey line across the top of the screen [10:04] top of the screen or top of the window? [10:05] screen (as in the screenshot, so the first 1-2px of the picture) [10:05] i have a menu at the top of the screen so can't easily simulate that [10:05] what version of chromium? [10:06] popey: yeah, its very weird though. I often accidentally click it when I go to click on a tab [10:06] wait [10:06] Version 30.0.1599.114 Ubuntu 13.10 (30.0.1599.114-0ubuntu0.13.10.2) [10:07] This appeared when I upgraded to 13.10. I think its to do with chromium because its not there for other apps, but I wont rule out a KDE something. [10:08] 29 here [10:11] * popey updates and gets 30 [10:12] popey: I looked in the settings also, cant see anything there [10:13] did you left or right click to get that menu? [10:13] i use desktop decorations with chromium too [10:13] rather than those blue abominations [10:13] left === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [10:14] its really like there is a _tiny_ menu bar there [10:15] no idea, sorry === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:59] Morning all [11:00] morning davmor2 [11:06] hi [11:12] MooDoo, MartijnVdS: How's life treating you [11:13] lol: https://plus.google.com/104060033182234025482/posts/gT7APRj4XSj [11:27] "we need a special form to give you a VM." "can you give us the form" "no, nobody knows what the form is, we don't think it exists". [11:27] :-| [11:29] Good morning all; happy Guy Fawkes Day! :-D [11:30] It is kind of odd that there is a day to celebrate a terrorist event [11:30] its celebrating stopping the terrorist event [11:31] I guess so [11:31] yeah, the ceremonial burning of the terrorist is part of it [11:31] less bad than what he went through in real life [11:31] remember when at the lewes massive bonfire they burned "pikeys" in a caravan? [11:32] http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0vsxfSRQ1r3feq8o1_400.jpg is a pretty basic starting point for guido fawkes' fate [11:32] bashrc: no you're wrong, it's a celebration of a terrorist failure which is even funnier :D [11:33] even if the gunpoweder plot never happened, we would do fireworks around this time every year, people would just find a reason [11:34] to celebrate the dvd release of V for Vendetta! [11:34] An old rant by me: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/ [11:34] I've just bought some from siansburies, the kids will like them [11:34] mungbean: or on the 21st of december to celebrate the winter solstice :D [11:35] mungbean: See Diwali, Chanuka etc etc [11:35] penguin42: but before multiculturalism, UK would probably have found a reason [11:36] wish we cold stnadardise on one day though [11:36] for the sake of my pet and children [11:36] or just ban fireworks [11:37] I've just purchased a little family pack not that big and bright :) [11:37] I have never seen V for Vendetta [11:37] bigcalm, +1 [11:39] bigcalm: sorry to hear about your cat ☹ [11:39] popey: thanks [11:39] wot popey said bigcalm [11:40] I feel starving this morning. Might have to go and find an early lunch... [11:41] Suggestions? [11:41] bigcalm: what happened, what did I miss and where [11:41] davmor2: it's ok it's sorted, the court has cleared him [11:41] anyone running a recent version of liferea? [11:42] can't seem to find a ppa for recent releases [11:43] only one I can see is https://launchpad.net/~liferea/+archive/ppa no r release though :( [11:43] davmor2: cat got old (17). Woke up to her hind quarters paralysed. Vet said thrombosis and that they couldn't do anything. [11:43] ☻ [11:43] er [11:43] ☹ [11:43] i'm ion 12.04 [11:43] no 1.10 version [11:43] 1.8.15 in raring [11:43] saucy even [11:43] bigcalm: :( man what a bummer you'd just got used to it taking over your life aswell [11:44] Stable: 1.10.2 [11:44] typing fail today [11:44] Yes [11:44] ah only 1.9.99 in the dev ppa [11:44] mungbean: stop being a wuss and build it from source that's what's it there for ;) [11:45] thats bad idea [11:45] why? [11:45] cos then i don't get updates [11:45] update it yourself [11:45] \o/ open source [11:45] and multiply that by 20 apps? [11:45] full time job [11:47] mungbean: just grab the deb from some where then and see if it installs [11:47] One could almost call it forking hell #channelSafeRudeJoke [11:47] davmor2: still wont get updates then [11:48] popey: you can pin it [11:48] i dont think that will help [11:48] he wont get updates [11:48] i need to learn how to make my own ppa [11:48] popey: well mungbean will have to wait then :D [11:50] 1.8 is from 2 yrs ago [11:50] and there has been signifcant amount of dev since then [11:50] i'd been using lightread which was great but is now stone dead due to google [11:50] Sorry to hear that, bigcalm. :( [11:51] Making your own PPA is a bit fraught in my experience [11:51] It may have gotten easier [11:52] got my first helpout! [11:52] \o/ [11:52] what did they want? [11:52] doesn't say [11:52] yes it is a bit fraught [11:52] it's not until tomorrow night [11:52] oh [11:52] We will not accept uploads of packages that are unmodified from their original source in Ubuntu or Debian, only packages that include your own changes. [11:53] why would we want a package in a ppa which is completely unmodified? [11:53] note: backporting from raring to precise _is_ modifying [11:54] ok [11:54] ah, it's quite cool, I can start messaging this guy now to find out his requirements [11:56] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03g8lxl [11:56] * popey get_iplayers [11:57] popey: ooh! [11:59] did you have to do the aaclow etc etc [11:59] --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd [11:59] I just get_iplayered it [11:59] no fancy parameters [11:59] i had to do ./get_iplayer --get --pid=b03g8lxl --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd [11:59] saINFO: No specified modes (flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal) available for this programme with version 'default' (try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd) [11:59] I just did ./get_iplayer --type radio --pid=b03g8lxl [11:59] without the = [12:00] ah ok ta [12:08] * bigcalm hugs the web interface [12:08] what web interface? [12:08] yummy, chicken toasties, :) [12:09] WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default [12:09] :( [12:09] Doesn't like that pid for me [12:09] it may not be a valid one. [12:09] mungbean: http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/get_iplayer-pvr-manager [12:10] Runs its own web server in perl and allows for easy management of recordings. I still have daily recordings happen from crontab though [12:11] I had to do a manual search on the name and now it's recording [12:11] if your server isn't always on, are the requests instantaneous if not a future recording? [12:13] The web server interface is just used (by me) for setting up recordings. So I don't run it when I don't need it [12:14] also dont run it on a publiclly open machine either. [12:15] My proliant server is always on, so the cronjobs there fire off recordings once a day with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6364313/ [12:27] how many watts does that draw? [12:30] * bigcalm shrugs [12:30] mungbean: popey might know, though I have a slightly newer model than his. And he has all of the harddrives in the whole world crammed into his [12:30] ah, its a microserver? [12:30] Yes [12:31] i imagined a rackmounted proliant [12:31] massive thing [12:31] yeah, mine has 12 drives in it [12:31] and I haven't monitored the power usage [12:31] I have 4 drives in mine running as 2 seperate raids [12:32] surprised the PSU can handle 12 drives [12:33] it cant [12:33] the server only has 4 bays (5 if you include the optical bay) [12:33] the other 8 are external [12:34] octopus [12:37] mungbean: I had 2 blades running at home and was around £120 pm :/ [12:38] oof [12:39] well, before was £30 so more like £90 for the two [12:39] All those things are good for is converting money into noise :D [12:40] and heat [12:44] expensive way to heat your house [12:45] I have a 13 year old Sempron box running as my MythTV server that I really should replace with something less noisy and thirsty of current [12:48] czajkowski: This looks like something for you https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/988325_593626000722435_1406973811_n.jpg [12:51] ohh yes [13:01] bad idea to put food next to the laptop fan outlet when running a VM [13:01] warm fruit ewwww [13:02] That could have been worse, it might have been an ice cream, but at least you know what to do next time you have soup [13:02] warm crisps are unplaesant too [13:03] * popey had a warm meatball wrap [13:07] i'm full but i keep on eating :( [13:08] mungbean, popey: --mode=best works for me [13:08] handy [13:08] resolving dependencies sucks. there must be a better way [13:10] get someone else to? [13:10] hence the pPA discussion [13:10] oh, I missed a PPA discussion; do those take care of dependencies automagically? [13:11] they install a deb from somebody who did the work ;) [13:12] yeah, I've pondered creating a PPA before rather than rolling my own debs [13:12] because that's a lot of faff and, presumably, I can deduce a line for a debian sources.list so I can use it on non-Ubuntu computers :) [13:13] I think all that's stopped me before is the need to sign the CoC [13:14] You could always take the Launchpad source code and build your own buildd farm. [13:14] i don't have a problem with the CoC [13:15] Oh wait. [13:15] jpds: that sounds harder than the odd debuild [13:15] mungbean: yeah, I've nothing against it. It's just a step I've not done and I'd probably need to make gpg work again etc. [13:16] No package 'sqlite3' found [13:16] grrrr [13:16] it is installed [13:17] they wanted libwxsqlite3-2.8-dev [14:56] Myrtti: are you about? [15:01] Myrtti did you get your N5? [15:01] The bastards didn't deliver to my house yesterday (nobod home...). [15:05] huh. unity3d free for xbox one developers. wonder how many xbone developers will ship on other unity3d platforms while they're at it [15:06] wow [15:21] bah [15:22] * Laney gives in to the gods of central heating [15:22] oh laney laney it's not that cold. [15:22] * AlanBell has spent all day trying to get warm [15:23] AlanBell: same here [15:23] feels cold to me [15:26] MooDoo: speak for yourself in your airconned building at a regulated temperature in the really world it's between 9-11 C that's chilly enough :P [15:26] * GentileBen throws another cheese log on MartijnVdS' fire [15:27] davmor2, I'm in an air-conditioned building. [15:27] We have vents in the floor and everything. [15:27] It's sometimes a shock when you step outside... [15:27] put an extra jumper on [15:27] ;) [15:28] hamitron = Tory boy [15:28] BigRedS: you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA [15:28] Us socialists set fire to the third bar. [15:28] i know it says you do, but you don't [15:29] tbh, I have 4 jumpers on.... no heating here [15:29] you do need a gpg key though [15:30] some of the code of conduct stuff got relaxed because Launchpad gets used for quite a bit of not-ubuntu stuff [15:30] can you unsign it? [15:31] yes [15:31] tbh, I can't even remember what it said [15:32] hamitron: http://members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/2943/scout-promise-law-an [15:34] * hamitron checks this is still the ubuntu channel [15:36] dyb dyb dyb [15:38] AFAIK you do need to sign the CoC to create a PPA [15:39] you don't https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton [15:40] uh, hum [15:40] yes [15:40] about 20 to two o'clock yesterday [15:41] GentileBen ^ [15:43] jussi: barely [15:53] after suspend/restore, my laptop brightness gets stuck at low - any suggestions how to reset it ? [15:54] mungbean: turn it up [15:55] nope, the hotkeys stop working [15:55] um actually [15:55] they *did* stop working [15:55] forget i said anything :P [15:56] mungbean: they work fine here, except the volume keys [15:57] yeah it's a toshiba... [15:57] only happens after a suspend [15:57] mungbean: don't suspend [15:58] oh yes, also managed to get a new 3 sim working after the fail of yesterday, so I guess I might be finally flashing my galaxy nexus with Ubuntu touch today [15:58] I found my brightness hotkeys started to work with 13.10 on my HP G72 \o/ [15:59] Myrtti: enjoy I recommend using trusty as the base it's much smoother than Saucy [15:59] It's a shame about the silly input locale thing that makes it boot into US keyboard layout until you flip out of X with ctrl-alt-F1 and back with ctrl-alt-F7 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:59] mungbean: isn't there a package for toshiba I might be dreaming let me have a look [16:03] mungbean: apt-cahce search toshiba there are a few packages that might help you [16:08] thanks [16:10] man , doing debbuild for PPA is a pain [16:11] make and make install work fine. [16:20] Anybody here bought a Moga Pro? [16:51] We are crowdfunding a cluster of Pis . . . http://igg.me/at/ubupi/x/5206923 to build Ubuntu [16:56] AlanBell: is there a reason other than "it's fun" you can't do the actual building on qemu? (Genuinely curious!) [16:56] I just imagine the RPi being really inefficient and going through SD cards like nobody's business [16:57] well qemu is probably a bit inefficient, and I don't want to pay for a heap of cloud time and end up with nothing to show for it [17:01] compiling rpms is 1000x easier and more intuitive :( [17:02] click packages might be simpler mungbean [17:03] oh, it seems to have worked! [17:03] bit phone focussed at the moment, but the idea is that desktop things that are appish will be done that way [17:04] i haz a deb file! [17:04]