[00:09] <xnox> penguin42: re:select - this also depends on libc one is using.
[00:10] <penguin42> xnox: in what way?
[00:11] <xnox> penguin42: nevermind, that one got standarized.
[00:12] <xnox> Azelphur: does pressing Esc reveal the password promt and/or booting with "splash" removed from the linux cmdline?
[00:13] <xnox> Azelphur: do you get normal "ubuntu logo" and progress dots? (or is that a server)
[00:13] <penguin42> xnox: Still, it seems nuts to use an int for a number of fds
[00:14] <xnox> If nfds is greater than the number of open files, select() is not guaran-
[00:14] <xnox>      teed to examine the unused file descriptors.  For historical reasons,
[00:14] <xnox>      select() will always examine the first 256 descriptors.
[00:14] <xnox> =/
[00:14] <daftykins> i was not impressed at all with the upgrade i tried
[00:15] <daftykins> it came up with questions regarding weird stuff that a user should never be presented with
[00:15] <penguin42> daftykins: What?
[00:15] <daftykins> i ran a desktop 10.04.4 -> 12.04.3 upgrade :D
[00:15] <daftykins> one was hilariously displayed purely as square boxes, so presumably character set fail
[00:15] <penguin42> that should be a perfectly reasonable thing to do - LTS-LTS
[00:15] <daftykins> window title, message content and the two buttons :D
[00:16] <daftykins> yeah, but no it was quite unprofessional indeed
[00:16] <daftykins> i think the first message was regarding libc6
[00:16] <daftykins> or libc in general rather
[00:16] <daftykins> it only needed 'forward' clicked in a window that came up though
[00:16] <daftykins> so no real intelligence needed, though the message content was obscure
[00:17] <daftykins> then the character set fail one
[00:17] <daftykins> which i came back to after a while expecting it'd chug through installing packages unattended
[00:17] <daftykins> then said it'd take 1hr to sort out
[00:17] <daftykins> so i shall perhaps take another look at the result tomorrow
[00:17] <daftykins> and start looking for a media player replacement for Banshee since it said that'd be unsupported :)
[00:18] <daftykins> so my feelings stand on upgrades being funky
[00:19] <daftykins> though granted i base this purely on this one example
[00:22] <penguin42> nod, but still should work
[00:22] <daftykins> yeah i'm sure there'll be something left afterwards
[00:23] <daftykins> i think an upgrade is more likely to have trouble when a system has been used for longer and for more varied tasks, more software installed etc.
[00:23] <daftykins> all the obvious things
[00:23] <daftykins> but this one hasn't really done much other than be sat in a kitchen with occasional web browsing and music playing
[00:24] <penguin42> daftykins: Any PPAs?
[00:26] <daftykins> nah
[00:26] <daftykins> all stock
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:49] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: phew was getting lonely then :)
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> aww
[07:50] <MooDoo> hehe that's the down side of getting into work at 6:30 ;)
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> but.. I got into work at 8:30 ;)
[07:52] <MooDoo> :p
[07:52] <MooDoo> I like this Idea, when will someone setup a "i need help with ubuntu feed" - http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/introducing-helpouts-help-when-you-need.html
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> wasn't there someone in here who ran a beta helpout?
[07:57] <MooDoo> not sure, must have missed that
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> popey probably remembers
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> popey always remembers
[07:58] <popey> that would be SuperMatt
[07:58] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: that you be you then :)
[07:59] <popey> http://helpouts.supermatt.net/
[07:59] <MooDoo> pah! - http://helpouts.supermatt.net/getting-started/ 404 ;)
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - seen the news? We are saved :-D http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/04/planets-galaxy-life-kepler
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> So we can carry on messing up this one! There are plenty more out there.
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:33] <BigRedS> MooDoo: to be fair, there is an abject shortage of places to go with Ubuntu problems
[08:33] <MooDoo> BigRedS: yeah, might be handing to setup a team for this kind of thing?
[08:33] <BigRedS> no, I was being sarcastic
[08:33] <MooDoo> :p
[08:34] <MooDoo> I still think it's a good idea :)
[08:35] <popey> there's a shortage of places to go for 1:1 help
[08:35] <Myrtti> are those electic dehumidifiers worth looking at? we're currently barely surviving on dehumidifier blocks and I was wondering if something that doesn't require refilling with chemicals to work would be worth it
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> they do work quite well
[08:39] <MooDoo> we've actually got a humidifier in the kids room at the moment lol
[08:50] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: shouldn't be any 404s. weirdness is happening!
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> itshappening.jpg
[08:51] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: thought you should know :D
[08:51] <SuperMatt> thanks
[08:51] <SuperMatt> well my htacces file is correct
[08:53] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: strange :S
[08:53] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: it works now
[08:53] <SuperMatt> there were some slight gotchas moving from apache 2.2 to 2.4
[08:53] <MooDoo> woohoo, what was it?
[08:54] <SuperMatt> I needed to AllowOverride All
[08:54] <SuperMatt> so
[08:54] <MooDoo> oh yeah know all about them, didn't need the + in the htaccess ;)
[08:54] <SuperMatt> about helpouts
[08:54] <SuperMatt> how can I help?
[08:54] <MooDoo> lol I was curious and said we need an ubuntu one, then someone remembered you did one :D
[08:54] <SuperMatt> ah righty
[08:54] <SuperMatt> well I'm doing beginners
[08:54] <MooDoo> It's a great idea :D
[08:54] <SuperMatt> but today I got an email saying "how do I set up a web proxy and email server"
[08:55] <SuperMatt> I'm about to reply and say "that's beyond scope of my helpout"
[08:55] <BigRedS> MooDoo: the + adds the override to the extant list; without the + you're setting the canonical list.
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> "apt-get install squid postfix"
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: ;)
[08:55] <SuperMatt> sure, but configuring it is a whole different matter
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> won't it ask for a default sane setup?
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> I know postfix does
[08:56] <SuperMatt> I think the guy wants dovecot too
[08:56] <SuperMatt> and how he configures that is all up to him
[08:56] <SuperMatt> I aint gonna touch something that affects someone's privacy
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> also, 100s of options on how to configure it
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> all depending on how you're going to use it
[08:57] <SuperMatt> exactly
[09:00] <SuperMatt> emailed
[09:00] <SuperMatt> I gave the guy as much help as I could
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Cluckin'Bell? </GTA>
[09:04] <SuperMatt> now that helpouts are official, I should finish off some of the sections of my site
[09:04] <MooDoo> :)
[09:05] <SuperMatt> I actually need to do a test hangout before I start
[09:05] <SuperMatt> oh well
[09:09] <MooDoo> hehe well if you're online later, I can test hanhout if you need to veify anything, won't be till tonight though
[09:09] <SuperMatt> well I won't be home until double-plus latae
[09:09] <SuperMatt> -a
[09:10] <MooDoo> lol
[09:10] <SuperMatt> This is the problem with offering to do helpouts, I don't really have much time
[09:10] <MooDoo> deligate ;)
[09:11] <MooDoo> have a team to help you out :)
[09:13] <SuperMatt> that's not a bad idea
[09:18] <SuperMatt> I don't know if it's possible to create a "team" without handing out my google deets though
[09:19] <MooDoo> what about doing some irc channel?  #ubuntu-helpouts and having people in there that are willing to do it?
[09:23] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: channel created ;)
[09:25] <popey> i dunno if the google hangouts T&C allow that
[09:25] <popey> s/hangout/helpout/
[09:25] <MooDoo> raaa
[09:25] <SuperMatt> you may be right
[09:25] <MooDoo> well it's there any way :(
[09:25] <SuperMatt> because they vetted me before I was allowed to put up my listing
[09:26] <popey> also the whole point of them is to provide 1:1 support from individuals
[09:26] <popey> if a group does it, you can't guarantee quality
[09:26] <MooDoo> well the channel is there if people want to use it.
[09:26] <popey> and who the payment goes to
[09:27] <SuperMatt> you're right
[09:27] <SuperMatt> well
[09:27] <popey> SuperMatt: do you charge for yours?
[09:27] <SuperMatt> I'm not accepting payments
[09:27] <SuperMatt> not yet, anyway
[09:27] <SuperMatt> I would rather not take any payment for it ever
[09:27] <popey> heh, searched for ubuntu and found you
[09:27] <SuperMatt> but if I start doing more than one a week, I might have to
[09:27] <popey> https://helpouts.google.com/104760950939866700163/ls/835dad061e4b03e7
[09:28] <popey> ooh, it just changed the time dynamically
[09:28] <SuperMatt> nice
[09:28] <MooDoo> well the channel is there and registered if people want to use it, if not it can be removed at a later day
[09:28] <MooDoo> date
[09:29] <SuperMatt> I figured I should put some availability in
[09:29] <popey> yeah, looks odd with no time
[09:31] <SuperMatt> there, I've populated this week and next
[09:40] <popey> \o/ more Alans
[09:41] <SuperMatt> oh gawd /o\
[09:41] <popey> \o/
[09:42] <SuperAlan> this is too much, even for me
[09:43] <SuperMatt> though at the next release party, we should all have name badges with Alan written on them
[09:43] <popey> heh
[09:43] <MooDoo> http://rlv.zcache.com.au/alan_alan_alan_greeting_cards-ra5595d4991294ff191f088649b9dad03_xvuak_8byvr_512.jpg
[09:43] <popey> or we could have Alan and Not Alan ones
[09:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:48] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:48] <MooDoo> feeling better today?
[09:48] <brobostigon> alittle,
[09:58] <mungbean> just received a nigerian 419 spam that was a scanned PDF. weird
[09:59] <MooDoo> mungbean: awesome, have you passed them your bank details?
[09:59] <jussi> Has anyone seen this on chromium before? http://i.imgur.com/lc15rK3.png
[09:59] <MooDoo> mungbean: check http://www.419eater.com/ :) it's a right giggle
[10:00] <brobostigon> woop, drum lesson day, :)
[10:02] <mgdm> niiiice
[10:03] <popey> jussi: what are we looking at?
[10:03] <jussi> popey: the menu. It appears if I click on the 1 px space across the top of the screen
[10:04] <jussi> if you look carfefully, there is a grey line across the top of the screen
[10:04] <popey> top of the screen or top of the window?
[10:05] <jussi> screen (as in the screenshot, so the first 1-2px of the picture)
[10:05] <popey> i have a menu at the top of the screen so can't easily simulate that
[10:05] <popey> what version of chromium?
[10:06] <jussi> popey: yeah, its very weird though. I often accidentally click it when I go to click on a tab
[10:06] <jussi> wait
[10:06] <jussi> Version 30.0.1599.114 Ubuntu 13.10 (30.0.1599.114-0ubuntu0.13.10.2)
[10:07] <jussi> This appeared when I upgraded to 13.10. I think its to do with chromium because its not there for other apps, but I wont rule out a KDE something.
[10:08] <popey> 29 here
[10:11]  * popey updates and gets 30
[10:12] <jussi> popey: I looked in the settings also, cant see anything there
[10:13] <popey> did you left or right click to get that menu?
[10:13] <popey> i use desktop decorations with chromium too
[10:13] <popey> rather than those blue abominations
[10:13] <jussi> left
[10:14] <jussi> its really like there is a _tiny_ menu bar there
[10:15] <popey> no idea, sorry
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> hi
[11:12] <davmor2> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: How's life treating you
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: https://plus.google.com/104060033182234025482/posts/gT7APRj4XSj
[11:27] <mungbean> "we need a special form to give you a VM." "can you give us the form" "no, nobody knows what the form is, we don't think it exists".
[11:27] <mungbean> :-|
[11:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Guy Fawkes Day! :-D
[11:30] <bashrc> It is kind of odd that there is a day to celebrate a terrorist event
[11:30] <mungbean> its celebrating stopping the terrorist event
[11:31] <bashrc> I guess so
[11:31] <directhex> yeah, the ceremonial burning of the terrorist is part of it
[11:31] <directhex> less bad than what he went through in real life
[11:31] <mungbean> remember when at the lewes massive bonfire they burned "pikeys" in a caravan?
[11:32] <directhex> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0vsxfSRQ1r3feq8o1_400.jpg is a pretty basic starting point for guido fawkes' fate
[11:32] <davmor2> bashrc: no you're wrong, it's a celebration of a terrorist failure which is even funnier :D
[11:33] <mungbean> even if the gunpoweder plot never happened, we would do fireworks around this time every year, people would just find a reason
[11:34] <directhex> to celebrate the dvd release of V for Vendetta!
[11:34] <bigcalm> An old rant by me: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/
[11:34] <MooDoo> I've just bought some from siansburies, the kids will like them
[11:34] <davmor2> mungbean: or on the 21st of december to celebrate the winter solstice :D
[11:35] <penguin42> mungbean: See Diwali, Chanuka etc etc
[11:35] <mungbean> penguin42: but before multiculturalism, UK would probably have found a reason
[11:36] <mungbean> wish we cold stnadardise on one day though
[11:36] <mungbean> for the sake of my pet and children
[11:36] <mungbean> or just ban fireworks
[11:37] <MooDoo> I've just purchased a little family pack not that big and bright :)
[11:37] <popey> I have never seen V for Vendetta
[11:37] <JamesTait> bigcalm, +1
[11:39] <popey> bigcalm: sorry to hear about your cat ☹
[11:39] <bigcalm> popey: thanks
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> wot popey said bigcalm
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> I feel starving this morning. Might have to go and find an early lunch...
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Suggestions?
[11:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: what happened, what did I miss and where
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's ok it's sorted, the court has cleared him
[11:41] <mungbean> anyone running a recent version of liferea?
[11:42] <mungbean> can't seem to find a ppa for recent releases
[11:43] <MooDoo> only one I can see is https://launchpad.net/~liferea/+archive/ppa no r release though :(
[11:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: cat got old (17). Woke up to her hind quarters paralysed. Vet said thrombosis and that they couldn't do anything.
[11:43] <popey> ☻
[11:43] <popey> er
[11:43] <popey> ☹
[11:43] <mungbean> i'm ion 12.04
[11:43] <mungbean> no 1.10 version
[11:43] <popey> 1.8.15 in raring
[11:43] <popey> saucy even
[11:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: :( man what a bummer you'd just got used to it taking over your life aswell
[11:44] <mungbean> Stable: 1.10.2
[11:44] <popey> typing fail today
[11:44] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:44] <MooDoo> ah only 1.9.99 in the dev ppa
[11:44] <davmor2> mungbean: stop being a wuss and build it from source that's what's it there for ;)
[11:45] <mungbean> thats bad idea
[11:45] <popey> why?
[11:45] <mungbean> cos then i don't get updates
[11:45] <popey> update it yourself
[11:45] <popey> \o/ open source
[11:45] <mungbean> and multiply that by 20 apps?
[11:45] <mungbean> full time job
[11:47] <davmor2> mungbean: just grab the deb from some where then and see if it installs
[11:47] <awilkins> One could almost call it forking hell  #channelSafeRudeJoke
[11:47] <popey> davmor2: still wont get updates then
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: you can pin it
[11:48] <popey> i dont think that will help
[11:48] <popey> he wont get updates
[11:48] <mungbean> i need to learn how to make my own ppa
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: well mungbean will have to wait then :D
[11:50] <mungbean> 1.8 is from 2 yrs ago
[11:50] <mungbean> and there has been signifcant amount of dev since then
[11:50] <mungbean> i'd been using lightread which was great but is now stone dead due to google
[11:50] <JamesTait> Sorry to hear that, bigcalm. :(
[11:51] <awilkins> Making your own PPA is a bit fraught in my experience
[11:51] <awilkins> It may have gotten easier
[11:52] <SuperMatt> got my first helpout!
[11:52] <popey> \o/
[11:52] <popey> what did they want?
[11:52] <SuperMatt> doesn't say
[11:52] <bashrc> yes it is a bit fraught
[11:52] <SuperMatt> it's not until tomorrow night
[11:52] <popey> oh
[11:52] <mungbean> We will not accept uploads of packages that are unmodified from their original source in Ubuntu or Debian, only packages that include your own changes.
[11:53] <popey> why would we want a package in a ppa which is completely unmodified?
[11:53] <popey> note: backporting from raring to precise _is_ modifying
[11:54] <mungbean> ok
[11:54] <SuperMatt> ah, it's quite cool, I can start messaging this guy now to find out his requirements
[11:56] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03g8lxl
[11:56]  * popey get_iplayers
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: ooh!
[11:59] <mungbean> did you have to do the aaclow etc etc
[11:59] <mungbean> --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd
[11:59] <popey> I just get_iplayered it
[11:59] <popey> no fancy parameters
[11:59] <mungbean> i had to do ./get_iplayer --get --pid=b03g8lxl   --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd
[11:59] <mungbean> saINFO: No specified modes (flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal) available for this programme with version 'default' (try using --modes=flashaaclow,flashaacstd,rtspaaclow,rtspaacstd)
[11:59] <popey> I just did ./get_iplayer --type radio --pid=b03g8lxl
[11:59] <popey> without the =
[12:00] <mungbean> ah ok ta
[12:08]  * bigcalm hugs the web interface
[12:08] <mungbean> what web interface?
[12:08] <brobostigon> yummy, chicken toasties, :)
[12:09] <bigcalm> WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default
[12:09] <bigcalm> :(
[12:09] <bigcalm> Doesn't like that pid for me
[12:09] <brobostigon> it may not be a valid one.
[12:09] <bigcalm> mungbean: http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/get_iplayer-pvr-manager
[12:10] <bigcalm> Runs its own web server in perl and allows for easy management of recordings. I still have daily recordings happen from crontab though
[12:11] <bigcalm> I had to do a manual search on the name and now it's recording
[12:11] <mungbean> if your server isn't always on, are the requests instantaneous if not a future recording?
[12:13] <bigcalm> The web server interface is just used (by me) for setting up recordings. So I don't run it when I don't need it
[12:14] <brobostigon> also dont run it on a publiclly open machine either.
[12:15] <bigcalm> My proliant server is always on, so the cronjobs there fire off recordings once a day with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6364313/
[12:27] <mungbean> how many watts does that draw?
[12:30]  * bigcalm shrugs
[12:30] <bigcalm> mungbean: popey might know, though I have a slightly newer model than his. And he has all of the harddrives in the whole world crammed into his
[12:30] <mungbean> ah, its a microserver?
[12:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:31] <mungbean> i imagined a rackmounted proliant
[12:31] <mungbean> massive thing
[12:31] <popey> yeah, mine has 12 drives in it
[12:31] <popey> and I haven't monitored the power usage
[12:31] <bigcalm> I have 4 drives in mine running as 2 seperate raids
[12:32] <mungbean> surprised the PSU can handle 12 drives
[12:33] <popey> it cant
[12:33] <popey> the server only has 4 bays (5 if you include the optical bay)
[12:33] <popey> the other 8 are external
[12:34] <mungbean> octopus
[12:37] <dogmatic69> mungbean: I had 2 blades running at home and was around £120 pm :/
[12:38] <mungbean> oof
[12:39] <dogmatic69> well, before was £30 so more like £90 for the two
[12:39] <dogmatic69> All those things are good for is converting money into noise :D
[12:40] <mungbean> and heat
[12:44] <dogmatic69> expensive way to heat your house
[12:45] <awilkins> I have a 13 year old Sempron box running as my MythTV server that I really should replace with something less noisy and thirsty of current
[12:48] <DJones> czajkowski: This looks like something for you https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/988325_593626000722435_1406973811_n.jpg
[12:51] <czajkowski> ohh yes
[13:01] <mungbean> bad idea to put food next to the laptop fan outlet when running a VM
[13:01] <mungbean> warm fruit ewwww
[13:02] <DJones> That could have been worse, it might have been an ice cream, but at least you know what to do next time you have soup
[13:02] <mungbean> warm crisps are unplaesant too
[13:03]  * popey had a warm meatball wrap
[13:07] <mungbean> i'm full but i keep on eating :(
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean, popey: --mode=best works for me
[13:08] <mungbean> handy
[13:08] <mungbean> resolving dependencies sucks. there must be a better way
[13:10] <BigRedS> get someone else to?
[13:10] <mungbean> hence the pPA discussion
[13:10] <BigRedS> oh, I missed a PPA discussion; do those take care of dependencies automagically?
[13:11] <mungbean> they install a deb from somebody who did the work ;)
[13:12] <BigRedS> yeah, I've pondered creating a PPA before rather than rolling my own debs
[13:12] <BigRedS> because that's a lot of faff and, presumably, I can deduce a line for a debian sources.list so I can use it on non-Ubuntu computers :)
[13:13] <BigRedS> I think all that's stopped me before is the need to sign the  CoC
[13:14] <jpds> You could always take the Launchpad source code and build your own buildd farm.
[13:14] <mungbean> i don't have a problem with the CoC
[13:15] <jpds> Oh wait.
[13:15] <BigRedS> jpds: that sounds harder than the odd debuild
[13:15] <BigRedS> mungbean: yeah, I've nothing against it. It's just a step I've not done and I'd probably need to make gpg work again etc.
[13:16] <mungbean> No package 'sqlite3' found
[13:16] <mungbean> grrrr
[13:16] <mungbean> it is installed
[13:17] <mungbean> they wanted libwxsqlite3-2.8-dev
[14:56] <jussi> Myrtti: are you about?
[15:01] <GentileBen> Myrtti did you get your N5?
[15:01] <GentileBen> The bastards didn't deliver to my house yesterday (nobod home...).
[15:05] <directhex> huh. unity3d free for xbox one developers. wonder how many xbone developers will ship on other unity3d platforms while they're at it
[15:06] <mgdm> wow
[15:21] <Laney> bah
[15:22]  * Laney gives in to the gods of central heating
[15:22] <MooDoo> oh laney laney it's not that cold.
[15:22]  * AlanBell has spent all day trying to get warm
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: same here
[15:23] <Laney> feels cold to me
[15:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: speak for yourself in your airconned building at a regulated temperature in the really world it's between 9-11 C that's chilly enough :P
[15:26]  * GentileBen throws another cheese log on MartijnVdS' fire
[15:27] <GentileBen> davmor2, I'm in an air-conditioned building.
[15:27] <GentileBen> We have vents in the floor and everything.
[15:27] <GentileBen> It's sometimes a shock when you step outside...
[15:27] <hamitron> put an extra jumper on
[15:27] <hamitron> ;)
[15:28] <GentileBen> hamitron = Tory boy
[15:28] <ali1234> BigRedS: you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA
[15:28] <GentileBen> Us socialists set fire to the third bar.
[15:28] <ali1234> i know it says you do, but you don't
[15:29] <hamitron> tbh, I have 4 jumpers on.... no heating here
[15:29] <ali1234> you do need a gpg key though
[15:30] <AlanBell> some of the code of conduct stuff got relaxed because Launchpad gets used for quite a bit of not-ubuntu stuff
[15:30] <hamitron> can you unsign it?
[15:31] <ali1234> yes
[15:31] <hamitron> tbh, I can't even remember what it said
[15:32] <ali1234> hamitron: http://members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/2943/scout-promise-law-an
[15:34]  * hamitron checks this is still the ubuntu channel
[15:36] <AlanBell> dyb dyb dyb
[15:38] <bashrc> AFAIK you do need to sign the CoC to create a PPA
[15:39] <ali1234> you don't https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton
[15:40] <Myrtti> uh, hum
[15:40] <Myrtti> yes
[15:40] <Myrtti> about 20 to two o'clock yesterday
[15:41] <Myrtti> GentileBen ^
[15:43] <Myrtti> jussi: barely
[15:53] <mungbean> after suspend/restore, my laptop brightness gets stuck at low - any suggestions how to reset it ?
[15:54] <davmor2> mungbean: turn it up
[15:55] <mungbean> nope, the hotkeys stop working
[15:55] <mungbean> um actually
[15:55] <mungbean> they *did* stop working
[15:55] <mungbean> forget i said anything :P
[15:56] <davmor2> mungbean: they work fine here, except the volume keys
[15:57] <mungbean> yeah it's a toshiba...
[15:57] <mungbean> only happens after a suspend
[15:57] <davmor2> mungbean: don't suspend
[15:58] <Myrtti> oh yes, also managed to get a new 3 sim working after the fail of yesterday, so I guess I might be finally flashing my galaxy nexus with Ubuntu touch today
[15:58] <awilkins> I found my brightness hotkeys started to work with 13.10 on my HP G72  \o/
[15:59] <davmor2> Myrtti: enjoy I recommend using trusty as the base it's much smoother than Saucy
[15:59] <awilkins> It's a shame about the silly input locale thing that makes it boot into US keyboard layout until you flip out of X with ctrl-alt-F1 and back with ctrl-alt-F7
[15:59] <davmor2> mungbean: isn't there a package for toshiba I might be dreaming let me have a look
[16:03] <davmor2> mungbean: apt-cahce search toshiba there are a few packages that might help you
[16:08] <mungbean> thanks
[16:10] <mungbean> man , doing debbuild for PPA is a pain
[16:11] <mungbean> make and make install work fine.
[16:20] <bigcalm> Anybody here bought a Moga Pro?
[16:51] <AlanBell> We are crowdfunding a cluster of Pis . . . http://igg.me/at/ubupi/x/5206923 to build Ubuntu
[16:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: is there a reason other than "it's fun" you can't do the actual building on qemu? (Genuinely curious!)
[16:56] <mgdm> I just imagine the RPi being really inefficient and going through SD cards like nobody's business
[16:57] <AlanBell> well qemu is probably a bit inefficient, and I don't want to pay for a heap of cloud time and end up with nothing to show for it
[17:01] <mungbean> compiling rpms is 1000x easier and more intuitive :(
[17:02] <AlanBell> click packages might be simpler mungbean
[17:03] <mungbean> oh, it seems to have worked!
[17:03] <AlanBell> bit phone focussed at the moment, but the idea is that desktop things that are appish will be done that way
[17:04] <mungbean> i haz a deb file!
[17:04] <AlanBell> yay
[17:04] <mungbean> blindly typing commands
[17:04] <mgdm> AlanBell: I have an underutilized OVH box I'd be happy to turn into a buildbot until the RPis show up?
[17:05] <directhex> mungbean, rpm is better in a small number of regards, but is generally really archaic and stupid
[17:05] <directhex> i've done RPMs for SLES for my last job
[17:05] <directhex> so many features i consider basic are missing
[17:05] <mungbean> they are dumb but handy
[17:05] <AlanBell> mgdm: we have plenty of intel servers, the cluster is an interesting side project though :)
[17:06] <mgdm> AlanBell: fairy nuff
[17:09] <mungbean> deb fails to install :(
[17:09] <mungbean> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/liferea.png', which is also in package liferea-data 1.8.3-0.1ubuntu2
[17:09] <mungbean> oh well, one to look at tomorrow
[17:10] <mungbean> ah did not read the error :D
[17:11] <directhex> if that's intentional, you can mark your package as Replaces: liferea-data, which means dpkg will allow any file from liferea-data to be overwritten by a file from your package
[17:12] <directhex> if it's unintentional and your package's installation should remove liferea-data, then you want a Breaks: liferea-data
[17:34] <ali1234> AlanBell: qemu is faster than real hardware...
[17:35] <ali1234> AlanBell: and again, OBS is the answer to all your problems
[17:36]  * AlanBell thinks ali1234 is %100 right, but carrys on anyway :)
[17:36] <ali1234> hell, you can probably do this in the opensuse instance at zero cost
[17:37] <ali1234> the initial bootstrap might be a bit tricky but you'll have that problem no matter how you do it
[17:37] <ali1234> plus it's been done before - we had the same problem with meego
[17:41] <ali1234> so, how are you going to bootstrap it anyway, given that the pi can't run the existing packages?
[17:42] <ali1234> surely you want to make a build farm out of hardware that can run the official toolchain in order to be able to build your own...
[17:44] <directhex> qemu isn't appropriate.
[17:45] <AlanBell> open to advice on getting started, either building from raspbian initially, or cross compile from Ubuntu I guess
[17:47] <directhex> i could probably give advice on it, if i had time
[17:48] <AlanBell> well the campaign is running to christmas and I am kind of aiming for a 14.04 release date for a bootable SD card that runs *something*
[17:57] <directhex> shouldn't be too hard
[17:58] <directhex> the hard part is deciding whether to do it right, or do it easy
[19:11] <ali1234> AlanBell: you may find this useful: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/cpucheck-0.2.tar.gz
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Hyperbole and a Half book arrived
[19:22] <ali1234> AlanBell: i highly suggest you don't use a power supply for every pi
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: how would that work?
[19:23] <ali1234> you get one beefy power supply and a splitter cable
[19:23] <ali1234> i was talking about this on someone's G+
[19:23] <ali1234> looking for it now
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: they got your name a bit wrong on that blog
[19:25] <ali1234> dwatkins: was it you?
[19:26] <penguin42> ali1234: They can power off USB can't they?
[19:26] <ali1234> sure
[19:26] <penguin42> so just a good (ok rare) USB PSU with multiple outputs
[19:27] <ali1234> the point is you don't want 32 dc adapters
[19:27] <penguin42> nod
[19:33] <shauno> an ATX supply might not be a terrible idea.  cheap & plentiful, and a 400W supply should give you about 40A on the 5V rail
[19:34] <shauno> and the interwebs are littered with tutorials for converting them to bench supplies, so you don't have to make it up as you go along
[19:35] <directhex> ok, right
[19:35] <directhex> if i might make an observation
[19:36] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, I would like to not use a power supply per pi
[19:36] <directhex> what you want, AlanBell, from the *hardware* perspective, is to rackmount things, and have independent individual power control over each board, to allow for power cycling
[19:36] <AlanBell> shauno: that is a good idea, I was wondering how to get a high amp 5v rail
[19:36] <ali1234> you don't want ATX
[19:36] <ali1234> you won't be loading it properly
[19:36] <directhex> i.e. you want something one of our engineers designed & constructed for rack-mounting a dozen ARM boards
[19:36] <AlanBell> interesting
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[19:37] <AlanBell> yeah, seen that MartijnVdS
[19:37] <directhex> http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/when-you-make-something-cleaning-it-out.html
[19:40] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PicknBuy-ports-individual-Switch-Black/dp/B005JNZTYU
[19:40] <popey> like that it has switches
[19:40] <AlanBell> it is possible to feed 5v into the GPIO pins instead of through the microusb port
[19:40] <AlanBell> but then you need to be really sure it is a good 5v
[19:40] <ali1234> check the schematic, but yes i think so
[19:42] <AlanBell> interesting, not entirely clear it can support 7 power hungry things, it is a hub, not just a power distribution unit
[19:42] <popey> yeah
[19:42] <popey> but something like that would be nice
[19:42] <AlanBell> but it might be a start for something to canibalise
[19:43] <directhex> no good if you end up needing storage
[19:44] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/114588339784440319020/posts/7ZPVXnmyimz
[19:45] <AlanBell> so, do you think that running cat5 to them all would be better than wifi?
[19:45] <ali1234> yessss
[19:45] <popey> without a doubt
[19:45] <ali1234> 32 devices on wifi? lol
[19:45] <AlanBell> given that the network on the pi is kinda hanging off the USB anyhow and wifi N should be quite quick
[19:46] <directhex> i'm just saying we've *done* this, in production, albeit with freescale imx5/imx6 boards and only one pi
[19:46] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, reading the article, looks like a nice build
[19:47] <AlanBell> depends a bit how the funding goes really as to what approach is best
[19:47] <AlanBell> it doesn't need to be rack mounted and I don't want any fans really
[19:47] <directhex> i was out fetching the boy, so i missed a bunch of backlog
[19:47] <directhex> what was your plan regarding the dpkg architecture?
[19:49] <AlanBell> open to suggestions, my thought was to start from raspbian, and build enough of it to self-host for the rest of the build
[19:50] <directhex> yeah, that's how you bootstrap an architecture
[19:50] <directhex> but the question was more about how you name it
[19:50] <directhex> so in debian, there's "armel" which is ARMv4 with no add-ons. there's "armhf" which is ARMv7 with floating point
[19:50] <AlanBell> oh, like a variation on armhf
[19:50] <AlanBell> raspbian calls it armhf, but I think that is tweaked in a way I don't understand yet
[19:51] <directhex> raspbian overloads the "armhf" name for ARMv6 with floating point, so armhf packages don't work on raspbian but raspbian's "armhf" packages do
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: hf means it uses the hardware floating point bits
[19:51] <directhex> ubuntu armhf is the same as debian, in that it targets ARMv7 with floating point
[19:51] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, I know that bit, I just wasn't sure about the bit directhex is currently explaining so well :)
[19:52] <ali1234> call it: armpit
[19:52] <AlanBell> so I don't know the answer to this at all, can we just make an armrp architecture or something?
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> armv6hf
[19:52] <directhex> AlanBell, so what you're doing here is rebuilding ubuntu for ARMv6 with floating point. i guess what i'm asking is whether you plan on co-opting an incompatible architecture's name, or adding an arch name which is clearly not compatible
[19:52] <AlanBell> armpit is good :)
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> but then, armv7 could probably run armv6 code?
[19:53] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes
[19:53] <directhex> AlanBell, working on mono i have a lot of exposure to this, as it's not as simple as "what does GCC do" - the question is "what does the JITter generate?"
[19:55] <AlanBell> I don't know enough to answer the question really, I think I would lean towards a clearly not compatible arch name, however I don't know how much additional pain that would cause
[19:55] <directhex> AlanBell, if you add an architecture name, you have benefitsof not needing to support users who say "X app doesn't work" where X was downloaded for "real" armhf or armel (whichever you abuse)
[19:55] <ali1234> why wouldn't armel work?
[19:55] <directhex> but if you add an arch name, you need to do more work - e.g. every source package with a hardcoded arch list would need modifying
[19:55] <ali1234> i mean an armel package
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: little endian, no hardware floating point
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:56] <AlanBell> yeah, people who mix what we build with packages for raspbian might get in trouble
[19:56] <ali1234> armhf is big endian?
[19:56] <popey> creating a new name sounds like pain
[19:56] <directhex> ali1234, armhf libs & apps can't call into armel libs
[19:56] <directhex> ali1234, the ABI is different. type lengths, register targets, etc
[19:56] <ali1234> oh, i thought it was only the other way around
[19:56] <AlanBell> and it would be nice if someone could have a deb that supports raspbian and ubuntu
[19:57] <directhex> ali1234, you can run both on the same kernel, but you need to start from the ground up (i.e. libc)
[19:57] <AlanBell> so maybe abusing armhf is worth doing
[19:57] <directhex> AlanBell, then you want to re-use the armhf name
[19:57] <jussi> Myrtti: was wondering if you have any opinions on Netflix vs Viaplay? which one is better? are they the same with a different name?
[19:58] <Myrtti> jussi: no opinions, haven't tried viaplay and my opinions on netflix are limited on the experience I had a year ago on Nexus 7
[19:58] <jussi> Myrtti: ok, fair enough :)
[20:04] <davmor2> ha fox news got hacked
[20:05] <daftykins> ooh? :)
[20:06] <DJones> davmor2: Its probably Apple getting their own back on a Fox family of channels website for taking the mickey out of Siri in the Simpsons
[20:06] <davmor2> daftykins: they fixed it now but it did look like this http://i.imgur.com/egOb8Eg.jpg
[20:09] <daftykins> heh
[20:09] <daftykins> in fairness i had to really look to notice a difference since i'm not familiar with their site :D
[20:10] <davmor2> daftykins: it's fox I thought it was their headlines :D
[20:11]  * popey times building glibc on ubuntu on rpi
[20:12] <ali1234> davmor2: that screenshot is weird. it has a mixture of stuff from months ago and stuff from today...
[20:12] <diddledan> ok, other than "here is some stuff yo" and "weeeeeeeeeeeeee - stuff yo" it looks pretty normal to me
[20:18] <popey> so it turns out building glibc on a pi takes $TIME++
[20:18] <popey> ☻
[20:18] <popey> Who'd have thunk it
[20:20] <ali1234> slow cpu, slow storage... yeah
[20:20] <davmor2> me me I'd of thunk it popey building anything on a pi takes an age
[20:20] <davmor2> ali1234: you forgot low memory too
[20:21] <ali1234> 512mb is a lot
[20:21] <ali1234> should be enough for glibc
[20:21] <diddledan> --gfx
[20:21] <ali1234> it's not like you're running unity or something
[20:21] <davmor2> it's enough for anything but like anything more helps on pc's :)
[20:21] <diddledan> yeah, but you still need to remove some of that 512 for the gfx
[20:22] <daftykins> i returned to the system that was doing an upgrade between 10.04.4 and 12.04.3 today
[20:22] <ali1234> 512mb might not be enough for large C++ things
[20:22] <daftykins> it had yet another lovely full-of-squares character set fail dialogue box :D
[20:22] <AlanBell> diddledan: 16MB for graphics
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> OpenCL compiling?
[20:23] <ali1234> raspberry pi doesn't support opencl
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: hmm
[20:23] <davmor2> popey: build libreoffice from source you know you want to :D
[20:23] <popey> mine doesn't have 512MB ☻
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: you have Ye Olde Raspberrye Pye?
[20:24] <popey> ya
[20:24] <ali1234> just use qemu... it will be about 10x faster
[20:24] <AlanBell> I have a couple of new ones and a ye olde
[20:24] <popey> nah, this is fun ☻
[20:31] <diddledan> I have thee ye olde
[20:31] <diddledan> three*
[20:41] <mungbean> directhex: thanks, while file do i put the breaks: replaces: bits in?
[20:44] <mungbean> why does everyone have industrial/event scale fireworks in their back gardens this year?
[20:45] <daftykins> haha
[20:45] <daftykins> intermittent distant bangs going off here
[20:45] <mungbean> serious competition going on with neighbours
[20:45] <mungbean> massive "cake" style fireworks kicking off
[20:45] <mungbean> amazed my son went to sleep
[20:45] <daftykins> hrmm i just tried out these 1080p 60fps videos of new game titles on the new generation of consoles, the videos don't play smoothly on my poor nvidia ion1 based HTPC :)
[20:46] <directhex> mungbean, debian/control, under the relevant Package: line
[20:46] <mungbean> thx
[20:47]  * AlanBell isn't keen on cake fireworks for gardens
[20:47] <AlanBell> single ignition displays are dangerous
[20:47] <daubers> The kitten doesn't like them either
[20:48] <AlanBell> if they are not secured and fall over you have another 99 shots coming at you
[20:48] <mungbean> few people have been putting them 10m away on the field opposite (houses only one side along a cul de sac). not clever either
[20:49] <mungbean> falls over and its like the blitz on your doorstep
[20:49] <ali1234> did you guys read that story about the mayor of the town who went around blowing up cars?
[20:49] <ali1234> ex-mayor sorry
[20:49] <shauno> was that the one who was running them over with a tank?
[20:50] <AlanBell> I get cheap small fireworks from Lidl, I used to set off displays, cat3/cat4 stuff but I only do the smallest stuff possible in the garden
[20:50] <mungbean> boris biker got killed today outside my office
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> cat4? isn't that hard for even 100mbit? ;)
[20:50] <ali1234> shauno: no, he was just throwing around home made bombs
[20:50] <AlanBell> mungbean: oh no :(
[20:51] <daftykins> ali1234: what was his motiviation?
[20:51] <daftykins> *motivation
[20:51] <ali1234> the lulz apparently
[20:51] <daftykins> bloody SSH lag
[20:51] <ali1234> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474906/Denbigh-ex-mayor-John-Larsen-guilty-blowing-car.html
[20:51] <ali1234> sorry about DM links
[20:51] <shauno> ali1234: there was one a while back who was driving an APC over cars that were illegally parked
[20:51] <mungbean> all i see is kittens
[20:51] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507
[20:52] <mungbean> weird, liferea ran once now refuses to display
[20:53] <mungbean> better try when i'm not 10 miles away from the machnine
[20:53] <mungbean> recvfrom(6, 0x1352f24, 4096, 0, 0, 0)   = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:54] <DJones> mungbean: We've had to send our dog to my parents, he'd be going balistic if he was at home, he really doesn't like them
[20:54] <AlanBell> ali1234: my uncle lives in denbigh, last time I went to visit him I was diverted because the bomb squad had closed the road
[20:54] <ali1234> hmm... definitely related
[20:55] <mungbean> you can give dognip to dogs
[20:55] <mungbean> fllower remedies and/or evening primrose oil
[20:55] <mungbean> and some pheromone sprays 3 weeks in advamve
[20:56] <mungbean> but ours only gets tetchy when we're in bed so she's protecting the house
[20:56] <AlanBell> ali1234: in fact, that photo at the top is of the day I was there, I saw that bit by the building site
[20:56] <ali1234> well, now you know...
[20:56] <ali1234> unless you already knew
[20:57] <AlanBell> I would have turned left by the blue tent :)
[20:57] <DJones> mungbean: Yeah, this is after he's been on calming med's for the last 10 days
[20:58] <DJones> mungbean: If he'd been at home, he'd have a valium in his tea
[21:00] <mungbean> sounds nice
[21:01] <daftykins> heh silly dogs
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> omg.. AFC Wimbledon, now supported by a FIFA-playing author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxAmFy3Wjd8
[21:21] <daftykins> you and your nasty sports
[21:24]  * penguin42 tries to upgrade his Indy that hasn't been booted for about 12 years (Debian)
[21:31] <directhex> is that big or little endian?
[21:32] <penguin42> big
[21:32] <directhex> hmph
[21:32] <directhex> these days the only things with big endian mips in are network switches
[21:32] <ali1234> hmm someone signed up for craigslist with my email
[21:33] <ali1234> looks like someone thnks my email address is theirs
[21:33] <dwatkins> ali1234: not sure, although I would have said the same about using a dedicated power supply, or not splitting the current between things
[21:33] <directhex> ali1234, http://xkcd.com/1279/
[21:33] <ali1234> dwatkins: it was daubers
[21:33] <dwatkins> aha ok
[21:33] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh they're rare these days
[21:34] <ali1234> i wouldn't care but they are apparently posting in *that* part of craigslist
[21:34] <daftykins> ali1234: welcome to my world! i have a handful of 'friends' across the US that keep signing me up to stuff
[21:34] <ali1234> this explains all the weird dating site emails i got last month too
[21:35] <daftykins> i keep resetting Debi in Scottsdale, Arizona's account passwords, logging in and trying to cancel her online orders to make her realise that i will not put up with it any longer
[21:37] <mungbean> i've received rude pics too
[21:37] <daftykins> :O
[21:37] <mungbean> large ladies taking photos of themselves in underwear
[21:37] <mungbean> and worse
[21:37] <mungbean> no title or anything
[21:38] <mungbean> so a bit of a shock sometimes
[21:38] <daftykins> :S
[21:38] <mungbean> i delete and hope the wife doesn't see my unsolicited admirers
[21:38] <daftykins> mungbean: i'd need a day off work after such a traumatic experience
[21:39] <mungbean> usually its a random pic in a bar
[21:39] <mungbean> "hey i like that pic, send it me"
[21:39] <mungbean> mungbean@gmail.com
[21:40] <mungbean> nope, mungbean56, woops too late
[21:48] <diddledan> kernel 3.12 aparently includes support for powerup up and down nvidia optimus chips
[21:49] <daftykins> very good news
[21:51]  * popey is on 3.12
[21:51] <popey> not had any gpu lockups yet
[21:51] <popey> only been 14 hours though
[21:51]  * popey launches minecraft which will do it
[21:51] <diddledan> and metro last light is now on steam for linux
[21:52] <diddledan> and unrelated: the screen on the nexus 5 is wow
[21:52] <daftykins> hrmm i am getting concerned with my boiler which fires up quite regularly, gurgles a bit, then shuts off
[21:53] <daftykins> i guess it's just maintaining temperature on a volume of water?
[21:53] <daftykins> but it never used to do it so often i thought
[21:55] <ali1234> oh lordy, the replies from craigslist are rolling in
[21:56] <daftykins> promise them the earth
[22:07] <penguin42> daftykins: You do get failure modes where they decide they've got too hot and shut themselves off - any failure codes or anything like that?
[22:07] <diddledan> ooh, specific rim is available on android download
[22:08] <daftykins> penguin42: hrmm i shall have a gander at the display but i don't think so, as it just kicks in for a few seconds then off as though it's bringing itself up to temp
[22:08] <penguin42> daftykins: How often?
[22:10] <daftykins> seems to be at least hourly now
[22:11] <daftykins> display just reads 52 deg C at and that's it, so i think all's fine
[22:11] <daftykins> doesn't help that it's in an outhouse (:
[22:11] <daftykins> i really need to wire up an internal control soon, else winter won't be fun
[22:12] <daftykins> have to nip out my back door and into the outhouse and flick it on and off manually for any central heating use
[22:12] <diddledan> ouch
[22:12] <penguin42> daftykins: Yes, ending up doing things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K53yjs7e9KQ
[22:13] <daftykins> you know it actually has been dipping cold then warming up again in the shower lately!
[22:15] <daftykins> perhaps i've got the dials too high then
[22:26] <daftykins> penguin42: you may well be onto something there - thanks :)
[22:53] <shauno> mr bell has me wanting to cluster a bunch of pis just to figure it out, but I have no need/reason/budget :/
[22:56] <daftykins> shauno: XD
[22:56] <daftykins> i'm off, laters all \o
[22:58] <shauno> counting the open ports on my switches, multiplying by 35 euro, 'n thinking .. hmmm
[22:58] <penguin42> daftykins: For us what we had was it would cut off in the shower and go cold
[23:01] <shauno> mine did the gurgling thing for a while, but I suspect a completely different resolution.  I just had to bleed the supply line (oil heating ..)
[23:04] <penguin42> daftykins: It turned out when the pump in ours exploded a few years back they fitted the wrong - lower flow rate - version and it was never quite right until that was noticed
[23:35] <penguin42> I worry about google; how long have they known me? When I search for    dvhtool coff kernel   and it gives me a page on Kennel cough as the top match?!
[23:37] <Azelphur> penguin42: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30ztgTzm1g10zm2g25
[23:37] <Azelphur> just figured I'd show you this
[23:38] <Azelphur> sometimes, I love bitcoin :P
[23:38] <Azelphur> banks won't give you that kinda interest, hahaha
[23:38] <penguin42> Azelphur: Damn you - I hate being reminded why I should have bought something....
[23:38] <Azelphur> xD
[23:39] <Azelphur> I'm sitting on 115 BTC, so in the past month that's $12650 up in value
[23:39]  * penguin42 cries
[23:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:39] <AlanBell> nice
[23:39] <shauno> I assume you read that one about the guy who bought $27 in 2007, and then forgot about it?
[23:40] <Azelphur> shauno: indeed, pretty cool
[23:40] <Azelphur> I'm not quite that lucky, but I bought the majority of my BTC at £8
[23:40] <Azelphur> and another massive pile at 80
[23:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: It wasn't you who had the high end search rig for them?
[23:41] <shauno> he cashed out 1/5th of them and bought an appartment in oslo :/  so that's .. $5.40?
[23:41] <AlanBell> sadly indiegogo doesn't take bitcoins :)
[23:41] <Azelphur> penguin42: I also have a high end mining rig :)
[23:42] <AlanBell> as far as I am aware
[23:42] <Azelphur> shauno: I still think the first bitcoin transaction is the best one
[23:42] <Azelphur> someone bought a pizza for 10,000 BTC
[23:42] <AlanBell> gosh
[23:42] <Azelphur> which now days is approximately 1.5 million GBP
[23:45] <AlanBell> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 got some pledges in already :)
[23:45]  * Azelphur watches
[23:49] <shauno> I'm curious, why 32 nodes? or is it just a nice round number
[23:49] <AlanBell> nice round number
[23:50] <AlanBell> it appears to be enough to do it in a reasonable timescale, it would be nice to have more, but you have to pick something as a target
[23:51] <AlanBell> much less than that and it isn't really a crowdfunding project, much more than that and it becomes an over-ambitious target
[23:58] <shauno> hm, indiegogo to the mandatory postcode fail :(