[05:15] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[05:19] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[05:25] <Kilos> morning superfly Private_User and others
[05:25] <Private_User> morning Kilos,hows it going?
[05:25] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[05:26] <Private_User> ah not too bad
[05:26] <Kilos> do you work from home doing web designs?
[05:27] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:27] <Kilos> hi bduk mazal 
[05:28] <Kilos> werk wget nou soos jy dit wil he mazal ? ek sien nog tips in die pos
[05:29] <Private_User> yep I work from home
[05:29] <Private_User> sometimes doing web design
[05:29] <Kilos> wow how do you advertise?
[05:30] <mazal> Nope Kilos 
[05:30] <Kilos> aw
[05:31] <Private_User> on the internet but currently need to set up my own website and once that is done I can do saome serious advertising/marketing
[05:31] <Kilos> ah
[05:40] <magespawn> good morning
[05:41] <Kilos> ohi magespawn 
[05:41] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[05:46] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[05:51] <Kilos> haha the fools. telkom say their LTE is for areas where there is no adsl. liars. its all setup in cities
[05:58] <Squirm> morning
[05:59] <Kilos> and all on contract
[05:59] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:59] <Kilos> and Xethron 
[06:07] <Kilos> inetpro, http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/547017-Telkom-Mobile-
[06:07] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[06:07] <Kilos> if your modem can do the 2300 frequency you can go lte
[06:07] <Kilos> hi my friend
[06:07] <Kilos> without a contract
[06:08] <Squirm> magespawn: The Big Cat Sanctuary was worth it
[06:08] <Squirm> thanks for that
[06:08] <magespawn> Squirm, you are welcome
[06:12] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm happy with my speed
[06:12] <Kilos> ok
[06:12] <inetpro> LTE will give me too much data too quickly
[06:12] <Kilos> dont work too hard
[06:13] <Kilos> i gotta do a reinstall here on unity to try get 12.04 working on the e220
[06:13] <Kilos> sigh
[06:14] <Kilos> makes me wonder about the new unity if its also fast like the new kde
[06:15] <inetpro> Kilos: but thanks for the info anyway
[06:15] <Kilos> np
[06:21] <bmg505> good morning
[06:21] <Kilos> hi bmg505 long time no hear
[06:22] <bmg505> ja man, life is getting in the way
[06:22] <Kilos> haha
[06:24] <magespawn> is that genuine life or this thing we call work?
[06:25] <bmg505> nah RL and work, ffs its killing me one day at a time :)
[06:25] <Kilos> ffs?
[06:26] <bmg505> yanks just pasted this link and our internet connections chokes with it http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/308/b/d/untitled_317_by_dennisk4-d6t2m8t.gif
[06:26] <bmg505> I'd rather meet my end happy living in a fruit paradize
[06:26] <Kilos> tropical island in the sun
[06:26] <bmg505> but then that would be a bloody boring end
[06:26] <Kilos> hehe
[06:41] <Symmetria> wow, I have been treated well by vendors in the past
[06:41] <Symmetria> but the lengths juniper has gone to to try and convince us that they are the right partner... is fucking mindblowing
[06:43] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:44] <magespawn> bmg505 i can't get it either
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:00] <gerritfromsa> Good mornin !
[07:06] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy gerritfromsa 
[07:07] <Symmetria> hrm, this anonymous shit 
[07:07] <Symmetria> is gonna get REAL interesting today
[07:07] <Symmetria> people already gathering in some pretty key locations and well, god knows how big this will get 
[07:08] <Symmetria> and how much chaos will arise 
[07:08] <gerritfromsa> long live anonymous
[07:08] <Symmetria> gerritfromsa heh anonymous is an interesting force, but on occasion, they can be... troublesome
[07:09] <Kilos> hi tal0n Symmetria 
[07:09] <tal0n> hi all
[07:09] <gerritfromsa> it will always be the 1st group that do something that will make mistakes and get all the blame
[07:09] <Kilos> what you on about Symmetria ?
[07:09] <tal0n> hi Kilos
[07:09] <gerritfromsa> at least someone is doing something
[07:09] <Symmetria> kilos anonymous is planning on putting a million+ people marching in the streets today world wide
[07:09] <Symmetria> *HUGE* demonstrations planned 
[07:09] <Symmetria> they are calling it the million mask march
[07:10] <Kilos> for what goal?
[07:10] <Symmetria> and they have the numbers to actually do that 
[07:10] <Symmetria> kilos general protest about censorship on the internet, violations of freedom, politics being played on the internet etc
[07:10] <Kilos> aha
[07:10] <Symmetria> they are basically going out to say "leave the internet for those that use it, and keep your government style bullshit off it"
[07:11] <Kilos> good luck to them and us
[07:12] <gerritfromsa> make sure you're surfing silent if youre using the word anonymous
[07:31] <gerritfromsa> anyone knows where  can still find DDR2 server ram ?
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:40] <Kilos> ask Symmetria gerritfromsa 
[07:40] <Kilos> hes a server network man
[07:43] <Kilos> wbb. going to kde
[07:45] <Vince-0> hi!
[07:47] <magespawn> hey Vince-0 
[07:50] <nuvolari> o/ hi Vince-0, oom kil<tab>, magespawn, maiatoday, gerritfromsa 
[07:51] <magespawn> what up nuvolari ?
[07:52] <Vince-0> nuvolari !
[07:54]  * gerritfromsa is away: Hmmmm ...
[08:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:30] <Kilos> stupid 13.04 dont see my arab modem
[08:32] <Kilos> and 12.04 dont see the other one
[08:32] <Kilos> grrr
[08:33] <Vince-0> try fedora?
[08:41] <Kilos> no man, i love ubuntu
[08:42] <Kilos> no brain space to learn rpm stuffs too
[08:44] <Vince-0> noo just use package manager
[08:44] <Kilos> just gotta find a way to hack into the E220 modem and turn off timeouts then i can use it through the router
[08:44] <Vince-0> I've been running Fedora on my laptop at work for over a year now no problems
[08:45] <Kilos> better than kubuntu
[08:46] <Kilos> i just cured the modem auto start i think with a script i was given for 12.04
[08:46] <Kilos> 13.04 mobile setup is too involved
[08:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed: what section of the buntu dev work do you do?
[08:47] <Kilos> good morning as well
[08:47] <tumbleweed> Kilos: whatever I feel like - mostly archive maintainance
[08:47] <tumbleweed> but these days, not too much
[08:48] <Kilos> you still talk to them
[08:48] <tumbleweed> occasionally
[08:48] <Kilos> ask them not to make things more difficult. and try follow the lines like with 10.10 where everything just worked
[08:49] <tumbleweed> hah
[08:49] <Kilos> not to make things more difficult to setup
[08:49] <tumbleweed> nobody is trying to make things more difficult
[08:49] <Kilos> noobs get frightened away like that
[08:50] <Kilos> sjoe you must see the involved setup needed to get 3g working
[08:50] <tumbleweed> plug in, connect?
[08:50] <tumbleweed> that's how it always used to work
[08:50] <Kilos> not anymore
[08:51] <Kilos> you used to get a popup about mobile broadband device detected, click to setup
[08:51] <Kilos> thats gone
[08:51] <tumbleweed> you only get that once, I think
[08:53] <Kilos> maybe i missed it, install goes too fast
[08:53] <Kilos> thats a very good thing. installs as fast as installing dos
[08:53] <Kilos> hehe
[09:51] <mazal> Does somebody know how do I move an already opened app to another workspace ?
[09:51] <mazal> on 12.04
[09:53] <mazal> Nevermind , found it
[09:53] <tumbleweed> shift ctrl-alt-arrows?
[09:53] <mazal> I am so stupid
[09:53] <mazal> Forgot about the "hold super key in for shortcuts display " thing lol
[10:43] <superfly> tumbleweed: so, strace proved useful. I now know where the issue is occurring. Now to figure out how to fix it :-/
[10:47] <tumbleweed> what was it?
[11:05] <Kilos> wb magespawn hi sakhi 
[11:16] <Kilos> aw poor maia has a bad connection
[11:16] <Kilos> or a 5 min timeout
[11:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: basically, this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/58171
[11:28] <superfly> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/58171/comments/47
[11:36]  * gerritfromsa is back (gone 03:41:28)
[12:33] <mazal> Cheers everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:07] <gerritfromsa> \quit
[14:24] <Kilos-> hmm...
[14:50] <Vince-0> home time!
[15:09] <Symmetria> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYTkUhdCcAEnGkS.jpg:large
[16:01] <Kilos-> yay its summer time again. 17/34°c
[16:01] <Kilos-> Symmetria: ping
[16:08] <Kilos-> hey Private_User see here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu:Saucy#Hardware_requirements
[16:08] <Kilos-> looks like the new kubuntu can run on 384m ram minimum
[16:09] <Kilos-> or are you happy with lubuntu
[16:11] <Tonberry> i would not run kubuntu on less than 1gb of ram
[16:31] <Kilos-> me neither even though this one is fast
[16:31] <Kilos-> some things still open slowly even with 1.5g ram
[16:32] <Kilos-> but he also wants to install to his lappy so it should be great there
[16:35] <Kilos-> unless thats also only got 512m ram
[16:50] <kbmonkey> 0/ lo
[16:53] <Kilos-> hi kbmonkey 
[16:53] <Kilos-> hows my monkey
[16:55] <kbmonkey> you got a tail Kilos- 
[16:55] <Kilos-> oh my
[16:55] <Kilos-> sorry
[16:56] <kbmonkey> are you a monkey too?
[16:56] <kbmonkey> apie
[16:56] <kbmonkey> if I lie down now I will fall asleep
[17:08] <Kilos> me too
[17:08] <Kilos> long day
[18:01] <Kilos> hi psy
[18:01] <Kilos> oh my
[18:01] <Kilos> oh that was leaving not joining
[18:01] <Kilos> twit
[18:06] <kbmonkey> yup, you missed it man
[18:07] <kbmonkey> better luck next time :]
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:14] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[18:14] <Kilos> you well apart from tired kbmonkey ?
[18:14] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:15] <Kilos> i got a pretty 13.04 kde. 10 workspaces each with a different wallpaper
[18:15] <Kilos> and no blue
[18:16] <kbmonkey> good work Kilos 
[18:16] <Kilos> haha
[18:16] <Kilos> took long enough
[18:17] <kbmonkey> I am sure, phew
[18:17] <kbmonkey> too much of work that is for me. 
[18:21] <Kilos> yo aquarat 
[18:35] <inetpro> good evening
[18:36] <Kilos> lo the pro
[18:36] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:36] <Kilos> hello inetpro 
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <inetpro> have you recovered from the late nights yet?
[18:38] <Kilos> yeah i kinda good today ty and you?
[18:38] <inetpro> tired
[18:39] <Kilos> you do nothing all day how can you be tired
[18:39] <Kilos> make the appies work harder
[18:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, having a nice rooi bos tea
[18:40] <Kilos> good man
[18:40] <Kilos> i just gotta still sort one prob here
[18:40] <Kilos> unity sees my arab modem only and kde sees the e220 0nly
[18:40] <Kilos> sigh
[18:41] <kbmonkey> sounds like a missing udev rule
[18:41] <Kilos> so drive swop means sim change as well
[18:41] <kbmonkey> eish, 
[18:41] <Kilos> explain?
[18:42] <kbmonkey> each usb device has a model code built into it. when you connect it, the kernel looks in it's little database for known device codes...
[18:43] <Kilos> ok and then?
[18:44] <kbmonkey> let me see..
[18:44] <Kilos> oh if i run lsusb on both it shows them there
[18:45] <Kilos> kde even tries to dial out but fails everytime
[18:45] <Kilos> but works perfect with the e220
[18:47] <kbmonkey> on the pc where e220 works run 'dmesg'. then do the same on the other os. compare.
[18:48] <kbmonkey> you might see the one recognizes it's "zero-cd" a fake cd that has the windows setup files. it swithces over to modem mode.
[18:48] <kbmonkey> but sometimes it won't switch and gets stuck on zero-cd mode
[18:49] <kbmonkey> installing usb-modeswitch helps with this
[18:49] <Kilos> i have that
[18:50] <Kilos> anyway dont worry
[18:51] <Kilos> i will try putting the e220 in the router and getting connected that way
[18:51] <kbmonkey> ...
[18:51] <kbmonkey> (net down?)
[18:51] <Kilos> im sure both will accept that
[18:51] <kbmonkey> eish
[18:52] <Kilos> router rsting because i was getting timeouts then found it was the e220 not the router
[18:53] <Kilos> so flash again and upgraded first to vmc that voda then then flashed and put mobile partner and it didnt timeout today
[18:54] <Kilos> eish eish eish
[18:54] <kbmonkey> it's modem makers not helping to keep their device codes up to date with our nice operating system :(
[18:54] <Kilos> i see 13.10 only supported till dec this year
[18:54] <Kilos> that sucks
[18:54] <Kilos> Raring Ringtail is not an LTS (Long Term Support) release. It will be supported with security updates for both the desktop and server versions until December 2013.
[18:55] <kbmonkey> sudo usb_modeswitch -v 0x12d1 -p 1003 -V 0x12d1 -P 1003 -R
[18:55] <kbmonkey> and remove the modem and connect again.
[18:55] <Kilos> ty i will save that
[18:55] <kbmonkey> that only works until reboot
[18:55] <Kilos> oh you mean for the one that dont see the e220
[18:55] <kbmonkey> those are the numbers that need to be added to the device database I spoke of earlier :)
[18:56] <kbmonkey> yes, for that one
[18:56] <Kilos> oh
[18:56] <Kilos> thats only on 12.04
[18:56] <kbmonkey> you want the other way around?
[18:56] <Kilos> ill save that onna stick
[18:56] <Kilos> what you mean?
[18:56] <kbmonkey> those are the same numbers you see in "lsusb" by the way
[18:57] <kbmonkey> 0x12d1 and 1003
[18:57] <Kilos> oh ya 
[18:57] <Kilos> vendor and product
[18:58] <kbmonkey> so you can try the other modem on 13.?? if you run lsusb and replace those numbers accordingly (gulp)
[18:58] <Kilos> the other modem has different numbers
[18:59] <kbmonkey> I hope that helps you Kilos - sorry if that command looks very scary. 
[18:59] <Kilos> 0000 was the product
[18:59] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey thats lekker
[18:59] <Kilos> its not serious, im not offline just need sim swop
[18:59] <Kilos> haha
[18:59] <kbmonkey> it tells your computer to see the usb device as a modem. like an order.
[19:00] <Kilos> aha
[19:00] <Kilos> even if the modem shows different numbers in lsusb?
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:00] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:01] <kbmonkey> use the number in lsusb if you can
[19:01] <kbmonkey> also try it before and after connecting the modem too. it might need the modem connected to run.
[19:01] <kbmonkey> then remove and reconnect modem
[19:02] <kbmonkey> like tuning spark plugs. engine must be running to tune it. haha.
[19:02] <kbmonkey> ..or not?
[19:02] <Kilos> ive tried the numbers in the modem but didnt reconnect it
[19:02] <kbmonkey> maybe I electrocute myself 
[19:02] <Kilos> maybe thats where i went wrong
[19:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:02] <Kilos> you dont tune spark plugs man
[19:03] <kbmonkey> "no switching method given. Resetting usb device. Ok, device was reset. Run lsusb to note any changes. Bye."?
[19:03] <Kilos> where you read that?
[19:04] <kbmonkey> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/386769-Vodacom-E220-Usb-Modem-on-Ubuntu-11-10?p=7333553&viewfull=1#post7333553
[19:04] <Kilos> ty
[19:05] <kbmonkey> its not very helpful 
[19:06] <Kilos> never mind man i fought modems since i got the arab one remember
[19:06] <Kilos> had to unlock it from ahab land too
[19:06] <Kilos> so im learning
[19:06] <Kilos> just slowly
[19:08] <Kilos> ty for the help kbmonkey 
[19:08] <Kilos> i go sleep
[19:08] <Kilos> nag inetpro lekker slaap
[19:08] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:09] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[19:09] <kbmonkey> good luck oom :)
[19:10] <Kilos> ty lad