[07:08] <mihir__> hello :)
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day!  :-D
[12:20] <popey> Ubuntu Touch needs a chess app.
[12:23] <boiko> popey: awhile ago I wrote a Qt chess sample game that used gnuchess as the backend for the AI player
[12:24] <popey> you should totally port that ☻
[12:59] <boiko> popey: it requires C++ code to interact with gnuchess not sure how to adapt that to a click package
[13:01] <boiko> popey: http://git.gustavoboiko.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=chess.git;a=summary
[13:01] <dpm> boiko, you can compile the code to produce an arm binary and just put it in the click package. mzanetti has done that already for a few apps and can probably give you some pointers
[13:01] <boiko> dpm: interesting, I might try to do that when I find some spare time
[13:02] <boiko> popey: dpm: in case you want to check the code: http://git.gustavoboiko.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=chess.git;a=summary
[13:02] <dpm> (obviously you'll need to provide an interface from C++ to QML, e.g. make it a QML C++ extension)
[13:02] <boiko> yep, but that's fine probably
[13:03] <dpm> boiko, cool. I'm at a conference this week, will have a look next week, thanks for the link!
[13:26] <ogra_> *sniff*
[13:26] <ogra_> seems my music taste is to weird for eyrie ...
[13:38] <JoeyChan> Hi tmoenicke   this is Joey   the man who mentioned Chinese input method in the email
[13:46] <cwayne> woo! got charts working in my app with chart.js :D
[13:46] <cwayne> http://chrismwayne.com/weighttab.png
[13:47] <ogra_> geez you lost a lot in 4 days !
[13:47] <cwayne> lol not really, the scale is only like 2 pounds
[13:47] <ogra_> heh
[13:47] <cwayne> but i removed the scales so i'm not showing people how much i weigh :P
[13:48] <ogra_> lol
[13:48]  * ogra_ totally understands 
[13:58] <davmor2> ogra_: eyrie doesn't like my music either :(
[14:04] <davmor2> ogra_: not even tubular bells
[14:04] <ogra_> probably a bug
[14:05] <davmor2> ogra_: it is if it can't find tubular bell :D
[14:05] <ogra_> or it only knows the 90s or some such :)
[14:05] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah it knows every song from 1990 to 1991
[14:05] <ogra_> see :P
[14:11] <aquarius> popey, where should I be hanging out for listening to the design app clinic?
[14:11] <davmor2> aquarius: ubuntu-on-air ?
[14:11] <aquarius> aha, that sounds likely
[14:17] <davmor2> ogra_: hmmm apparently echonest.com has quite a large music sample library so I don't think it is that some how
[14:30] <aquarius> davmor2, not quite
[14:30] <aquarius> The Echo Nest have two databases of song fingerprints: the old one using ENMFP, and the new one using echoprint.
[14:31] <aquarius> ENMFP was a closed-source fingerprinting tool; echoprint is open source.
[14:31] <aquarius> Eyrie uses echoprint.
[14:31] <aquarius> The ENMFP database has about thirty million songs in it.
[14:31] <davmor2> aquarius: ah okay
[14:31] <aquarius> The echoprint database has about one million songs in it.
[14:32] <aquarius> What this means is that Eyrie doesn't find a lot of songs, not because it's Eyrie's fault but because the echoprint database is missing a lot of songs.
[14:32] <aquarius> the Echo Nest people have been promising to grow the echoprint database for a few years now :(
[14:34] <davmor2> aquarius: I'm surprised they don't allow users to just update the echoprint db save them having to, kinda like musicbrainz or whatever the track listing thing is
[14:34] <aquarius> they allow users to copy the echoprint database and run their own
[14:34] <aquarius> but not to submit things to the central echoprint db
[14:34] <aquarius> at least partially because, I suspect, they do not have the resources to check the data that's submitted.
[14:35] <aquarius> and you don't want someone submitting a fingerprint for the latest Ke$ha song and claiming it's All Along The Watchtower by Jimi Hendrix.
[14:36] <aquarius> crowdsourcing data like this is not good when someone's response to wrong data will be "I'll use shazam instead" rather than "I should submit a fix to this".
[14:36] <davmor2> indeed which is a shame really
[15:06] <danielholm> where is the doc of how to add screenshots to my click app?
[15:14] <danielholm> never mind
[15:43] <cwayne> hm, with the latest ui-toolkit, my tab titles disappeared
[15:47] <Elleo> davmor2: musicbrainz is planning on supporting echoprint fingerprints as part of their metadata, unfortunately they only have it on a test server at the moment
[15:48] <Elleo> once it's supported properly I'll shift to using the musicbrainz database in Eyrie instead of the one hosted by the echoprint guys
[15:52] <danielholm> validate click packages myself?
[15:52] <danielholm> how do I do that?
[15:53] <davmor2> Elleo: nice :)
[15:55] <popey> danielholm: http://launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools
[15:55] <popey> danielholm: grab that
[15:55] <danielholm> from the ppa: ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/staging ?
[15:55] <popey> no, bzr branch the above
[15:56] <danielholm> okay.
[15:56] <popey> then run bin/click-run-checks <foo.click>
[15:56] <Elleo> aquarius: if I was sneaky I'd run my own echoprint server and build fingerprinting into cutespotify, so I get reliable results harvested from spotify listeners :P
[15:57] <danielholm> popey: okay. got something.. hmm
[15:57] <Elleo> I did wonder about writing a quick program that did just try to finger print every spotify thing it could find, but programs that aren't used by people listening to stuff violates their ToS
[15:57] <aquarius> Elleo, yeah. It did occur to me that having the Ubuntu music app harvest fingerprints would crowd-source a library prety quickly, except that a few people would go nuts about it and so it'd never happen.
[15:58] <Elleo> I might add it as an optional tick box in cutespotify
[15:58] <Elleo> although I'm not sure my little VM would really be up to running an echoprint server
[15:58] <danielholm> popey: same thing as you, obviously (duh) but unsure what it meant. I do have a string in the comment..?
[15:59] <popey> danielholm: Comment=
[16:00] <popey> thats blank in your .desktop file
[16:00] <Elleo> although I suspect secretly buffering a whole song to genreate a fingerprint from might violate spotify's ToS too
[16:00] <popey> danielholm: you can just delete that line
[16:00] <aquarius> Elleo, you could harvest the fingerprints there and then once you've got loads, work out how to spin up a fingerprint server to serve fingerprints.
[16:00] <danielholm> popey: aha, I dont need it?
[16:00] <aquarius> but I suspect that scanning a whole library would be better than only the songs that get listened to
[16:01] <popey> danielholm: no
[16:01] <danielholm> and how do I change my default email in QtCreator? I set the wring one
[16:01] <danielholm> popey: thanks!
[16:01] <popey> danielholm: not sure in qtcreator, maybe mhall119  knows
[16:02] <popey> Elleo: i would happily leave my spotify playing all day if it helped fingerprinting. not that they need fingerprints of the same daft punk cd 50 times
[16:02] <Elleo> heh
[16:02] <Elleo> I might see if I can get in touch with spotify and see if they'll grant me some sort of exception for this sort of thing
[16:03] <mhall119> danielholm: popey: I'm not sure either, bzoltan1 should though, or someone on his team
[16:10] <danielholm> mhall119: ok, thanks
[16:24] <randomcpp> is there already a webdav file manager app?
[16:28] <bzoltan1> danielholm: do you mean in the packaging info? that comes from your bzr identity
[16:29] <danielholm> bzoltan1: aha, crap.. need to update that then
[16:29] <danielholm> thanks
[16:29] <bzoltan1>  danielholm: np
[16:44] <cwayne> does anyone else have disappearing tab titles with today's ui-toolkit?
[16:54] <aquarius> bzoltan1, what happens if you don't have a bzr identity? Most ubuntu app devs won't have one
[16:55] <t1mp> cwayne: the header is supposed to hide now when you interact with the app contents. scroll down to get it back
[16:55] <t1mp> cwayne: um.. swipe down to scroll up to get it back I mean
[16:56] <t1mp> cwayne: probably it is this "fix" you are talking about
[16:56] <t1mp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1223604
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1223604 in Ubuntu UX "Close tabbar and toolbar when user interacts with app contents" [Critical,Fix committed]
[16:56] <cwayne> that seems.. very wrong to me..
[16:56] <cwayne> it doesnt hide the tabbar, it just blanks it
[16:57] <cwayne> and what if i want to know what tab im in?
[16:57] <t1mp> cwayne: if it blanks the tabbar instead of hiding it, then that is a bug :(
[16:58] <cwayne> t1mp: yeah, that's what it does for me at least in today's -proposed image
[17:00] <t1mp> cwayne: can you report a bug here? http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit please mention the app (or paste your code) that shows this to reproduce the issue
[17:00] <t1mp> thanks in advance
[17:03] <t1mp> cwayne: if you assign me (tpeeters) to the bug I will have a look tomorrow. gotta go now
[17:04] <cwayne> t1mp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1248631
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248631 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tabbar is not hidden, but blanked, when user interacts with app" [Undecided,New]
[17:04] <cwayne> sure thing, will assign to you :)
[17:05] <cwayne> erm, it won't let me assign you.. weird
[17:07] <t1mp> cwayne: I assigned myself. I'll verify it tomorrow.
[17:07] <cwayne> t1mp: great, thanks!
[17:33] <mrqtros> Hello everyone!
[17:33] <mrqtros> popey ping :)
[17:33] <popey> yo
[17:42] <mrqtros> popey how can we update our Shorts app in store? :)
[17:43] <mrqtros> popey I've done a lot of improvements and optimizations, now app is ready to be published :)
[17:43] <mrqtros> popey *new version ready
[17:43] <popey> awesome!
[17:45] <mrqtros> popey should we build click package? :)
[17:45] <mrqtros> popey or how we can update it? :) I have no any ideas :)
[17:45] <popey> mrqtros: am on the phone at the moment, might be worth asking sergiusens in #ubuntu-touch as he builds the click packages and puts them in the store
[17:46] <mrqtros> popey thanks!
[18:11] <bzoltan1>  aquarius:  in that case you have to fill the fields manually ... using the bzr identity is more like  a help. The developers are free to change those fields
[18:12] <bzoltan1>  aquarius: as it is well explained in the docs .... _NOT_ :D
[18:13] <aquarius> bzoltan1, ah, cool. It might be nice if it picked up my Ubuntu One identity from Online Accounts rather than my bzr identity?
[18:13] <aquarius> since you have to sign in to the uploader with U1 :)
[18:14] <aquarius> (they are the same thing, mostly, of course, but more developers will have a U1 identity because they have to.)
[18:14] <bzoltan1> aquarius:  not a bad idea ... actually the QtC should offer you to choose from various identities ... one could be the the U1 of course
[18:14] <bzoltan1> bzoltan1:  how to get the U1 identity?
[18:15] <aquarius> online accounts has it. Not sure how to get stuff from online accounts, but there are qml bindings to it, so it's possible. mardy will know :)
[19:27] <mhall119> bfiller_afk: bzoltan1: we have a few slots let in the AppDev track for the upcoming UDS, is there something either of your teams would like to get added to the schedule so we can discuss it?
[19:28] <mhall119> aquarius: bzoltan1: Online Accounts API docs: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts/
[19:28] <mhall119> could use a how-to page, just like Friends, but it's something
[19:29] <mhall119> aquarius: I haven't seen you propose an appdev session, and I *know* you have opinions on the matter ;)
[19:39] <bfiller> mhall119: working on the sessions now, will let you know
[19:40] <mhall119> thanks
[19:48] <cwayne> anyone successfully setup a Picker?  mine's always blank
[20:15] <project245> can anyone helo with a query?
[21:46] <mhall119> beuno_: why http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22082/click-software-store-status-and-future-development/ is not a blueprint?
[21:58] <beuno_> mhall119, what does that get me?
[22:00] <mhall119> beuno: work item tracking and a spot on status.ubuntu.com
[22:00] <mhall119> if you don't need those things, then I'll approve it and we'll see where we can schedule it
[22:01] <beuno> mhall119, I have my own tracking atm