[01:28] Wish I had some fireworks. [03:47] AlanBell: it can be done: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet [03:48] also you can buy raspis for bitcoin on bitcoinin.com === MrGarlic_ is now known as MrGarlic === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [07:04] morning all [07:20] http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/ubuntu-developers-start-indiegogo-campaign-raspberry-pi-build-cluster/15543 verdict is in; "not as ambitious as was the Ubuntu Edge" [07:37] shauno: lol, not "I have a brain"? [07:41] I thought it was nice to see :) but they could have caught him at a better moment for a screengrab [07:42] it's always nice to see an Alan, but calling it "not as ambitious as Ubuntu Edge" is a bit of a... statement [07:42] I can't decide is it an under or overstatement [07:44] 654 Minutes to build glibc on pi [07:45] that's not too bad [07:46] back when I was young/stupid enough to do linux-from-scratch on a regular basis, glibc was an allnighter (and firefox/openoffice were measured in days) [07:47] shauno: Yep. Me too. [07:47] That's where I "cut my teeth" as it were [07:48] \o/ spotify on my ubuntu phone [07:48] http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-11-06-074840.png [07:48] now, overclock the pi, make clean & try again? curious to see what 700MHz vs 1GHz means in the real world ;) [07:49] thats not a bad idea [07:50] oh I remember the days when I was still somewhat interested in hardware [07:50] back when AMD Thunderbird 750MHz was the latest hot new thing and I had to try to connect the pins with a pencil [07:51] but anyway, do go on [07:56] haha, overclocked it to 950, crashed as soon as I give it any load at all [07:57] well, that's worth knowing too [08:03] * popey puts pi away === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad [08:18] I appear to have lost my clock/calendar from the top bar in 13.10... [08:18] Any ideas where it has gone? [08:20] TheOpenSourcerer: Where you're going, you won't need clocks ;) [08:21] http://askubuntu.com/questions/45970/missing-date-time-from-top-panel-of-unity-desktop [08:21] kill unity-panel-service [08:21] known bug which I believe is fixed and is coming down the pipe === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:22] bug 1199877 may be related [08:22] bug 1199877 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service memory leak and 100% CPU usage" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199877 [08:22] That worked - thanks popey [08:22] np [08:23] lol - just did a apt-get update/dist-upgrade and the following updates look interesting "gnome-control-center-datetime indicator-datetime" [08:29] ☻ [08:32] morning [08:33] morning SuperMatt popey === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:27] Good morning peeps :) [09:28] morning calmy [09:28] mornin bigcalm [09:32] yo yo yo [09:37] g'mornin everyone [09:38] morning MartijnVdS [09:40] well, helpouts are already off to a shakey start [09:41] Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day! :-D [09:41] people requesting specific hardware advice, or "how to install and use nfs" [09:41] I don't mind helping with the latter, at least getting started, but if your function buttons aren't working, better hit up askubuntu [09:42] JamesTait: do you have random 8 ball thing that spits out a day name for you? :P [09:42] jussi, oh no, nothing like that. If I did that I'd have no idea what day it was myself! [09:42] jussi, I haz intarwebz! [09:44] \o/ intarwebs [09:44] JamesTait: Thanks, now I'm aware of stress.. [09:44] It's also Saxophone day, apparently. [09:44] So, http://youtu.be/2j7uAimpx3k?t=25s [09:44] is it? is it? [09:45] JamesTait: not Careless Whisper? [09:45] baker st? [09:45] pink panther? [09:45] MartijnVdS, or a rickroll? [09:45] the song from taxi driver? [09:45] JamesTait: not on saxophone [09:46] MartijnVdS, clearly you still have much to learn. ;) [09:46] nah I just have a proper music taste ;) [09:46] ok, that's better than epic sax guy [09:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1B3agGNxw [09:47] aka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxopViU98Xo [09:47] it was baker st! [09:47] good guess [09:47] That appears to be some kind of mutated violin. [09:48] Oh. Oh dear. [09:48] mungbean gets the prize! [09:49] * see MartijnVdS for details. [09:49] my deb file is 6k. i think something went wrong [09:49] mungbean: it's just very easy to compress [09:50] getting cheesed off with this :( [09:50] seems like unecessarily complex [09:50] czajkowski: is this in your future? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7874504192/h59789D87/ [09:54] lo [09:54] l] [10:14] good morning everyone, [10:19] \o brobostigon [10:19] morning MartijnVdS [10:33] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/2337257/robots-can-learn-to-hold-knives-and-not-stab-humans researchers at Cornell are teaching robots how to not stab people [10:33] I think this is very important research [10:35] SuperMatt: they're not self-aware yet though [10:37] http://signup.bribe.io/ [10:37] bribe devs into fixing a bug [10:40] lol [10:41] So it's the old "bug bounty" system that didn't work then? [10:41] MartijnVdS: I think it's a bit wider than a single project's bounty programme [10:51] Surprised that this tweet is still getting favourites and retweets https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/303095108872585216/photo/1 [10:52] is that on one or two graphics cards? [10:52] SuperMatt: one [10:52] dang [10:52] 2 x DVI, 1 x HDMI [10:52] I've never managed to get it working on two [10:52] nice :) [10:53] For reference, this is a follow up post: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/ [10:53] Anybody going to try for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24828750 I'm somewhat past the the age it mentions [10:54] man, that would be nice [10:54] but I cba [10:54] Can you act? [10:55] yes [10:55] I've done a lot of it [10:55] bigcalm: What does being able to act have to do with being in movies, Jean Claude Van Damm.... I rest my case :) [10:55] Fnar [10:55] bzr builddeb -S fails with clearsign failed: secret key not available [10:55] any suggestions? [10:56] i have a gpg key i want to use [10:56] DJones: I love his beer adverts [10:56] bigcalm: The adverts are ok, but the beer is awful, and I have to say he hasn't aged well [10:58] I'm not a fan of such beers myself [10:58] Morning all [10:58] Hi davmor2 [10:58] moring davmor2 [10:58] Morningt davmor2 [10:59] How's Mrs bigcalm ? [11:00] davmor2: struggling with the new surname [11:01] bigcalm: has Hayley gone through the million and one signatures to figure out which she likes yet [11:01] davmor2: the 1st time she tried her new signature was when we went to the bank to change her name there [11:03] bigcalm: haha [11:03] MooDoo: Had a look at some of those Photo's chap, some of them looked really funky, nice one :) [11:04] davmor2: which photos? [11:05] MooDoo: I got an email from Flikr or off facebook pointing at your recent Photos, Mixture of kids by a lake, some scenery shoots etc [11:06] MooDoo: let me have a dig and I'll find the link [11:07] davmor2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulmellorsphotography/sets/72157635062528102/ this lot? [11:08] MooDoo: that's the ones [11:08] davmor2: yeah thanks, friend wanted some family pictures. [11:10] can anyone help with my question up there ^^ [11:13] mungbean: alas, I cannot [11:13] mungbean: I don't know what the question is without digging in irssi [11:13] bzr builddeb -S fails with clearsign failed: secret key not available [11:14] OH [11:14] it works [11:14] \o/ [11:14] well done [11:14] pebkac fixed [11:14] i changed debian/changelog to be the exact phrase outpuuted by gpg --list-keys [11:14] mungbean: liar liar pants on fire :P [11:14] ʘ‿ಠ [11:15] which bit ? [11:15] mungbean: yes shockingly it does expect your exact key to be there :) [11:15] yes but even the comment (Launchpad signing key) [11:15] had to be present [11:16] i thought the env variables should be sufficient [11:16] mungbean: daft question but you did do bzr launchpad-login and bzr whoami right? [11:17] yesh [11:17] this is mega tedious [11:17] and has put me off the whole thing :( [11:17] mungbean: and your key is available in LP right? Cause that's all I've ever needed [11:17] which guide are you following? [11:18] seems way more complex than I'd do === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:18] i have 50 tabs open, mostly on ubuntu.com [11:18] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html [11:19] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html [11:19] etc [11:19] but you're not packaging something new are you? [11:19] you're just rebuilding something existing for another release? [11:20] i'm not rebuilding a saucy version though [11:20] i'm doing a newer version [11:20] a new upstream version? [11:20] i haven't found documents that suggest any easier way [11:20] popey: yes [11:21] well the super easy way is to file a bug and get someone else to do it ㋛ [11:21] i thought this might be a useful exercise [11:21] didn't quite realise what was involved [11:22] I probably wouldn't have done it the way you did, but there's always multiple ways to skin a cat [11:23] mungbean: The changelog formats are very very fussy for every part of them [11:23] file a bug to get 1.10.1 in trusty, and then request backport to saucy/raring/precise etc [11:24] http://askubuntu.com/questions/75352/how-to-request-a-package-upgrade-in-the-next-ubuntu-release [11:24] ok, feels like defeat but meh [11:24] at least i have the deb file for the meantine [11:25] cheesr [11:25] other people benefit from this though [11:25] yep, if it gets done - is it usually successful> [11:25] in fact [11:25] just needs sync from debian [11:26] as sid has 1.10.3 [11:26] (you probably could have grabbed the deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/liferea [11:27] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads$ liferea -v [11:27] Liferea 1.10.3 [11:27] done [11:27] ☻ [11:29] isn't that considered "bad" [11:30] Myrtti I got my N5. How's your battery life been? === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:30] it's better than my Galaxy Nexus [11:31] there's lots of ways to get the app, but thought i would learn the PPA thing as an exercise, just didn't realise how complex it was [11:31] yeah, as I said, multiple ways to skin cat [11:32] think i just did them all [11:32] only bones left now [11:32] just got the Spigen champagne case for the phone [11:32] looks surprisingly posh [11:33] Laney: is it possible to "requestsync" but say you want to keep the ubuntu changes? [11:33] sync means you want to drop them [11:33] so, no [11:33] because it seems by default it assumes I want to sync from debian and overwrite.. [11:33] right [11:34] what's wanted here is a merge [11:36] FYI the debian one don't work without a bunch of deps [11:36] works here [11:36] (on saucy) [11:36] later version of libglib etc [11:36] precise [11:37] grim [11:37] you'll want to try rebuilding it [11:37] right, it would get rebuilt during backporting [11:37] ? [11:37] assuming it doesn't need any new dependency versions that you don't have in precise [11:38] my locally built one works [11:39] i.e. copying the deb from my precise build box [11:39] Myrtti: did you put UT on your galaxy nexus yet? [11:39] and install works on a clean machine [11:39] after all that, dilbert RSS feed has stopped working :( [11:40] davmor2: nope, D had to go to work at six today so he had to go to bed so early we managed to barely eat a tinned soup before bedtime after he came home from work [11:40] maybe today [11:40] I'm apparently going to be the guinea pig [11:40] \o/ soup [11:40] if it works fine for me, he's going to do it on his aswell [11:41] Myrtti: \o/ for having a job, \o/ for soup, boo for the getting up tw'early and \o/ for putting UT on tonight :) [11:41] what I really want is a Ubuntu themed cover for GN [11:42] I hope the merchandise guys act on my suggestion soonish :-P [11:43] Myrtti: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/pink_purple_galaxy_glitter_girly_nebula_stars_case-179799598640136588 :) [11:43] oy [11:44] gawds [11:44] That looks nice [11:44] zebus [11:44] Myrtti: http://www.maniacstore.com/Belkin-Essential-063-for-GALAXY-Nexus-Purple-Lightning-Paparazzi-Pink-F8M279qeC00.html this is better though [11:44] anyone know of any good UK shops/sites doing good deals on lower power "green" hard disks at the moment ? [11:45] That reminds me that I need to replace the HDDs in my Father's and wife's laptops with SSDs [11:45] Myrtti: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/522532589/Wallet_Leather_Case_Cover_with_Strap.html there is a purple and orange one [11:46] Weeeee. Referring to my wife is fun :) [11:46] davmor2: I've got two purple cases already, but I want something Ubuntu specific, by the same people [11:46] Myrtti: you're no fun ;) [11:46] davmor2: besides, I'm not going to order 100 of them [11:46] no matter how nice the alibaba one looks like [11:47] The Velcro on my neoprene sleeve has worn out. Might be time for a new case (or phone?) [11:47] Myrtti: it does look nice doesn't it :) [12:10] just sharing the information about the raspeerry pi cluster indigo project, looks interesting :D [12:17] is there any news on the next rpi? [12:25] i hear rumour it may do power over ethernet would would be neat [12:26] Lots of peeps asked for that for RPi 1.0 ;-) Myself included. [12:28] popey: I read that had been dropped due to cost, they are trying to not change the cost [12:28] dropped as in dropped as a possibility [12:29] bummer [12:29] be nice if they choose a more modern arm rev [12:29] I thought that was going to get bumped ? [12:30] no idea [12:33] popey: They'll have fun if they change *anything* keeping it compatible with existing Pi installs, and one of the nice things about Pi is being able to take the images anywhere [12:34] penguin42: that's an interesting point, [12:37] PoE would rather break the educational model unless it's an option alongside traditional power... [12:37] true [12:38] wonder if they will keep the form factor identical and just rev the speed / chip [12:38] BigRedS: Yeh it should be easy to make it either, although PoE injectors are pretty cheap [12:39] not every PoE injector uses the standard though [12:39] penguin42: yeah, but a PoE injector is still a weird thing to expect someone to get/have at home. [12:39] nod [12:39] that said, I'm still surprised they used HDMI rather than VGA so perhaps I'm mischaracterising the sort of people they're aiming at [12:40] BigRedS: every TV from that last 5-10 years has HDMI [12:40] BigRedS: But these days most people have HDMI TVs even if they don't have it on monitors [12:40] i think they were of the opinion that hdmi is pretty common now [12:40] yeah, it probably is [12:41] BigRedS: And schools being able to use it on TVs is probably a more important consideration than those who already have monitors [12:42] penguin42: yeah, I expected VGA to be more common on TVs than HDMI, which is probably where I went most wrong :) [12:42] I don't really pay attention to TVs [12:42] Thinking about it, I guess consoles are all HDMI now, and probably have been for some time [12:43] XBox360 and PS3 have HDMI, yes [12:43] though they can do analog (except not everything, and not in HD) === iahmad__ is now known as iahmad [12:47] anyone tried a pi over the analog out onto a tv? [12:47] fonts must be hard to read [12:48] mungbean: Well that's the way I was using computers in the 80s [12:48] ditto ☻ [12:48] 40x24 [12:48] 80x25 [12:48] mode 3? hardcore [12:48] Mode 0 [12:49] I can't remember - there was a mode on the Arc that was 130 chars wasn't there? [12:49] 40 x 25 chars, 4 colours [12:49] ^^ mode 0 Bbeeeb [12:49] hmm [12:49] thats wrong. mode0 was the really hard to read one [12:49] yeh mode 0 was 80x25 b&w [12:49] mode 1 was 40x25 4 colours [12:50] so if you're using 80x25 on a pi,. the world hasn't moved on much [12:52] Oracle's sign-up page is an utter travesty. [12:53] mungbean: If you want to push it you can try interleave but that's pretty crapy [12:53] it's meant to be. it's a harbinger. [12:55] shauno: you're not wrong - the first page after signing up (which took several attempts due to the page's idiotic requirements) showed "System error. Please re-try your action. If you continue to get this error, please contact the Administrator." [12:55] * dwatkins has at least learned that virtual installations of debian require more than 4 GB of disk space [12:55] even minimal ones? [12:56] MartijnVdS: it works fine until you use tasksel to install anything but the base system (i.e. desktop install fails) [12:56] The error is just "something failed", but I'm pretty sure it simply didn't have enough room [12:57] Where does dpkg even log this, though? It's not in /var/log [12:58] /var/log/installer [12:58] cheers popey, will tail -f it [12:58] better question is why doesn't it fail gracefully .. you can't trust logs when the disk's full [12:59] my point exactly, shauno === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:00] ooh ooh [13:00] I hadn't realised new version of Trigger can actually make the phone connect to a right bluetooth device [13:01] * Myrtti goes on to a NFC frenzy [13:01] I wonder how far under 4GB debian would go though. I have an ubuntu install in <300Mb [13:02] I'd be surprised if you can't get Debian at least that small; I mean I've done it years ago [13:02] and I'm fairly sure a debootstrap world is pretty small [13:03] people are complaining there's a news blackout on a few people outside parliament in guy fawkes masks. [13:04] i'm pretty sure only 1% of demonstrations get reported [13:04] Last time I was there, there were people camped out in front of parliament who had been there for weeks. [13:04] would it be this news that was blacked out? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24830123 [13:04] Are the Catholics getting uppity again? [13:05] those aren't guy fawkes masks, are they? [13:06] what are they? [13:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask [13:09] presumably the one from V for Vendetta [13:16] fawkes wasn't burned at teh stake though [13:16] oh right, I thought it was invented for V from Vendetta [13:17] tbh it would have been more pleasant to do so than what happened to him [13:18] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5292412 Almost 15% of the way there already :-D [13:18] yeah going to donate later this evening :D [13:18] somebody who isn't alan paid £150 for a beer with the alans? [13:18] lol [13:19] And we'd buy her a beer anyway ;-) [13:19] I've already given the Alans beer 8-) [13:22] You have indeed. And we have already drunk it :-D [13:23] i gave alan my beer voucher from oggcamp once [13:23] that counts as buying alan a beer [13:23] i think he gave it to someone else [13:24] Alans: where is there good pie in Farnham? My experience stops at the pub next to the station :D [13:24] Pie? [13:24] Hmmm. [13:25] Pie [13:25] ye olde pie shoppe? [13:25] ooh, pie!! [13:25] If I can be assured of good pie, I will donate to the Pi, Pie & Pint level [13:25] when i win the lottery i don't play i will open a shop split into 3 sections. [13:25] I am not sure we do pies in Farnham... It's a bit posh for that. [13:25] section 1 airfix models, section 2 pie and ale, section 3 wool for the missis [13:25] Farnham - Too Posh for Pie [13:26] * jussi grumbles at Finnish "meat pies" [13:26] pie - 3.14 flavoured [13:26] i just ate some pie [13:26] We do have the "Home of the Gourmet Burger" opposite our office - and they are rather lovely. :-D [13:26] but it was fruit pie covered in custard [13:28] TheOpenSourcerer: I had the ribs the last time I was in there. It was rather large [13:28] Jolly dee. [13:30] I used to work opposite a rather good curry house, you could smell them preparing sauces from about 11am each day - as you can imagine, we gave-in to temptation at least once a week and had lunch there. [13:31] http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/pre_rat_ribs.jpg [13:31] That's what you missed out on by going to Italy :P [13:32] rat ribs [13:32] now there's something I wouldn't eat [13:32] !rat [13:32] The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [13:32] I was expecting one of Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler's pies, from the URL, bigcalm [13:32] Humm, needs updating [13:32] not knowingly MartijnVdS [13:32] mungbean: but these were pre-rats? :) [13:32] uh [13:32] bigcalm: [13:32] Ahh - CMOT Dibbler... [13:34] The dates are available for next year's RAT. Are we ready to organise and choose a date? :) http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t [13:34] Oh, I should try to make this one [13:34] Everybody should :D [13:34] All my hosts are named after Discworld characters. I did have Gaspode [13:35] discworld is our network at home :) [13:35] I am typing this on hrun [13:35] As chosen by Hayley! [13:35] mine are after WWII fighters [13:35] my desktop at home is lobsang [13:36] Wife's is Binky, kids' Twoflower, home server Vimes. [13:36] Netbook Magrat [13:36] My last desktop was SNAFU. My current desktop is SNAFU2... [13:36] \o/ deep-thought [13:36] (and wopr) [13:36] mine are just "martijn-desktop", "martijn-vaio", etc. [13:36] lol [13:37] Great imagination there MartijnVdS [13:37] And my wifi network could be translated as "Airing out the bits" [13:37] popey: No 'earth' ? [13:38] not yet [13:38] maybe another one will === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:45] An error occurred while processing your request. [13:45] Reference #97.a102adc6.1383745485.b8cefeb [13:45] Indeegogo fail :( [13:45] Oh :-( [13:45] While registering for an account that is [13:47] Your Amazon.co.uk order of "Genuine Official MOGA Pro..." has been dispatched [13:47] That's an email subject that I like to see [13:47] Sadly it's due to arrive while I'm out of town [13:48] when is GTA5 out? [13:48] WANT [13:48] popey: PS3 or Xbox? :) [13:48] shut up MartijnVdS [13:48] saw that coming [13:48] popey: too easy [13:49] popey: I'm getting the above controller so that I can play GTA Vice City more comfortably on my tablet & phone. [13:50] I have an Xbox 360 controller [13:50] popey: I've even managed to install the game on my TV stick, though not been able to play it due to lack of sensible interface [13:50] popey: steam can use those, in "Big Picture" mode, never tried it though [13:50] indeed [13:50] i have in a few games [13:50] MartijnVdS: I use my xbox 360 controller with steam outside of big picture mode [13:51] I have a db9 to usb adaptor for my konix :) [13:51] Oh, I hadn't thought of trying my xbox controller with the tv stick. Oops :) [13:54] surely there are more appropriate systems to build for the pi than the pi itself - re: the indiegogo campaign for a pi build cluster [13:54] Needs to be on the arm chip [13:54] really? [13:54]