[05:31] morning superfly and others [05:41] yo bduk mazal [05:42] sit op die LTS ek lees support for 13.10 eindig december [05:42] baie snaaks [05:45] More Kilos and all others [05:45] Symmetri1: fix your nick [05:48] More oom [05:48] 13.10 kan mos nie Desember eindig nie , dis veronderstel om 9 maande te wees [05:49] morning drussell [05:49] ek het dit gelees gisteraand somewhere [05:50] Raring Ringtail is not an LTS (Long Term Support) release. It will be supported with security updates for both the desktop and server versions until December 2013. [05:51] Raring is 13.04 nie 13.10 nie [05:51] dis te kort ek ek geniet kde in 13.10 [05:51] o [05:51] sjoe nou voel ek beter [05:51] Saucy is 13.10 [05:51] dankie [05:51] domkopf ne [05:51] Kilos: good evening :o) [05:51] Moet gaan tot Augustus as my Wiskunde nou reg is [05:52] hehe drussell where are you now? [05:52] Kilos: (I'm in Phoenix, Arizona) [05:52] wow you get around hey [05:52] Kilos: hehe so they say ;o) [05:52] all good drussell ? [05:53] summer in za [05:53] Kilos: all good! how about you? [05:53] Kilos: nice! weather's pretty good here too I have to say [05:53] yeah good ty, loving 13.10 kde [05:53] fastest install ive ever had [05:54] Kilos: cool [05:54] is 14.04 gonna be even better [05:55] Kilos: should be, there's been a lot of good feedback on 13.10 for some of the subtle improvements, and the plan is 14.04 should be similar, not too many big bang changes, but polish to make a great LTS [05:56] just had a funny bootup this morning, 18 terminals opened with header of Blankscreen.kss <9> [05:56] weird [05:57] but everything works after closing them [05:57] was quite funny [05:57] Kilos: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314859 [05:57] keep up the good work drussell [05:57] ty [05:59] Kilos: np, seems to be an upstream KDE issue, but people are working on it [05:59] * drussell heads off to bed, early start tomorrow [05:59] cool ty very much [05:59] Kilos: yvw, laters! [05:59] enjoy [06:04] morning [06:11] hi superfly [06:11] * Kilos looks forward to 14.04 [06:19] hi Kilos [06:23] tumbleweed: I reinstalled all my base libraries from an international server, and now my computer works [06:34] wat [06:34] superfly: the mirror you use will make no difference [06:43] tumbleweed: as long as it's not a South African mirror [06:43] the ZA mirrors do not work [06:44] well, maybe LEG does, but IS, WebAfrica and mirror.ac.za are out of date and buggy [06:50] morning [06:54] hi Squirm having a good rest? [06:55] Kilos: my 2nd day back at work [06:55] just went up for a long weekend [06:55] aha you must talk to that new guy [06:56] forget his nick now, about using pi for other things [06:57] ok [06:57] he will discuus it at the monthly meet [07:04] hi magespawn [07:08] hiya maiatoday [07:12] superfly: neology's mirror tends to be in good shape [07:13] but seriously, it's not possible for a mirror to be buggy, just out of date [07:20] hey Kilos [07:20] how do i print/pdf a log file on a server? [07:21] scp the file to a gui system and do it from there? [07:36] sorry, got disconnected, was there an answer? [07:36] nope [07:36] ty Kilos [07:36] yw [07:36] I have this somewhere in a manual I think , lemme look [07:36] do it that way then if its quickest magespawn [07:37] i have copied the /var/log directory to my laptop and i can do it from there [07:37] get it where you can see it [07:37] thats a good idea. what prob are you looking for? [07:39] Sorry magespawn , I only have how to take man pages to pdf [07:40] people logging in or attempting log in from outside the network [07:40] ty mazal [07:40] i can pdf them from my laptop [07:42] magespawn, man a2ps [07:42] That might help [07:43] thanks [07:43] and man ps2pdf [07:43] Looks like you can first take it to ps format and then from ps to pdf [07:44] But might be more work than just copying to your laptop though [07:46] For example , I did one quickly with these 2 commands : [07:46] a2ps upgradeslist.txt -o upgradeslist.ps [07:47] ps2pdf upgradeslist.ps upgradeslist.pdf [07:47] Maybe you can make a script , the filenames should be the same every time yes ? [07:48] sjoe slim ne [07:49] there is a log rotator running so the old log get number on them 1, 2 etc [07:49] ai [07:49] the current log is always the same name though [07:50] so unless you need to look at the history that should be fine [07:50] Indeed [08:05] mazal would i need to do it file by file? [08:06] I dunno magespawn [08:07] Output file must be specified , so I assume it will need to be file by file [08:07] cool ty [08:08] But someone smart might have a way around that [08:08] i will google and bring it up again later [08:08] My scripting knowledge is to low [08:08] maybe inetpro will know [08:10] I have seen scripts for multiple files , but I dunno those options [08:54] wbb [09:03] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:03] yo henkj [09:03] yo Kilos [09:06] morning :) [09:08] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:11] ! [09:12] ohi Vince-0 [09:12] hi Vince-0 [09:18] if something that used to give probs all of a sudden works do you just accept it or try find out thy and what happened [09:18] s/thy/why [09:19] if can find out, that is best, but can take awhile [09:19] lol [09:20] im happy! e220 seen by all drives today. yesterday only 13.10 saw it [09:31] and i did nothing [09:32] saved a command and a link from the monkey last night but didnt get to check it out even [09:37] murphy is having a day off [09:37] yay [09:41] oh magespawn are you far from home [09:41] as in wifi cant reach home [10:08] so [10:08] hot [10:19] Maaz: weather for MooiRivier [10:19] Squirm: That didn't go down very well. Burp. [10:20] Maaz: weather for Treverton Schools [10:20] Squirm: City not found [10:31] again [10:32] QA, weather in mooirivier [10:32] Kilos: In Estcourt, South Africa at 8:00 AM SAST on November 06, 2013: 27°C; Humidity: 22%; Wind: at 0 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 5:02 AM SAST/6:24 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:30 AM SAST/9:33 PM SAST [10:33] hi Kilos [10:33] hi Squirm [10:33] hi psyatw [10:43] o/ hi Squirm, oom Kilos, psyatw [10:43] hi nuvolari [10:45] hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ? [10:45] goed dankie nuvolari en jy? [10:45] hi nuvolari [10:45] ik spreek alleen nederlands [10:45] maar wij verstaan elkaar toch? [10:46] hoi charl :) [10:46] good morning [10:46] hi charl [10:46] hi psyatw [10:47] hi Kilos [10:47] bah hating gnome terminal again [10:47] i hit alt+number key and then it switches tabs instead of switching "screens" inside of irssi [10:47] lol [10:47] there should be some standards for keyboard shortcuts so that these types of conflicts don't happen [10:48] it seems like youtube is also utterly kaput on debian inside of a browser like iceweasel with no flash installed [10:49] html video not yet properly implemented and working [10:49] oh and on a related note, did try windows 8.1 a couple of days ago, complete and utterly unusable [10:50] an even bigger disaster than windows 8 [10:50] haha [10:50] brb [10:51] heh, psyatw, dit is goed as ons mekaar verstaan :D [10:51] dit gaan goed dankie oom Kilos [10:53] nuvolari, inderdaad :D [10:53] charl, I always fix the settings for it, so it works like konsole [10:54] but to be honest I haven´t used ubuntu since unity was introduced [10:56] chicken [10:57] What can be worse than Win 8? [10:57] 8.1 [10:58] lol , ok [10:58] and everything there after [10:58] maybe they start using linux sometime [10:58] Nee man , julle verstaan net nie Win nie [10:59] then all our probs will start [10:59] Hy is tamaai , moet net niks saam hom laai nie [10:59] hey nuvolari [11:04] back [11:04] psyatw: that's one of my biggest problems, i almost never spend any time configuring anything lol [11:05] mazal: you have these "hints" that pop up on the screen like "swipe from the right" or "swipe from the left" and you just can't get rid of them with the mouse and keyboard [11:05] mazal: they make you sign up for a microsoft account (mandatory now) before you can even complete the installation [11:06] mazal: then they require you to verify your email address; how the heck can you verify your address if you don't have a browser [11:06] mazal: fortunately i was just installing it inside a VM so i could go back to my host os for that but that's Just Plain Dumb (TM) [11:06] hoi mazal, ik begijp you niet meer [11:06] Yeah I agree and with you. I'm just teasing ;) I don't want Win 8 anywhere near me [11:07] charl, yeah, but at least on linux I can keep my settings from version to version [11:07] so I usually only do it once every few years [11:08] psyatw: i3 is one of the few things i use with an extensive configuration but my older configuration file doesn't seem to work on the new version [11:08] psyatw: i need to fix that actually so i can get rid of gnome [11:08] charl, you don´t like gnome? [11:08] i3 is a window manager, right? [11:08] I haven´t used it yet [11:08] psyatw: yeah i3 is a simple tiling window manager with great keyboard navigation [11:09] psyatw: i hate non-keyboard window managers because it forces me to reach for the mouse too often and i like to keep both hands at the keyboard [11:10] charl, that seems like a good thing indeed, I hate the mouse too because it is causing so many problems for my arm and wrist [11:11] psyatw: one of my colleagues has issues with that actually, he switched to using his left hand and now alternates [11:12] but yeah i don't have any risk of developing those types of issues, it actually all started during the years where my primary computer was a laptop [11:12] charl, I used to do that too, but I used to have a trackball which was much better for me, I think I´ll buy another one in the future [11:12] oh [11:12] i used to sit around everywhere (the couch, outside, etc) and it wasn't convenient to attach a mouse and i hated the touchpad [11:13] because in africa it can get really hot (or in the netherlands in summer) and then my fingers get sweaty and the touchpad becomes painful to use [11:14] so i learned to become more and more dependent on the keyboard and now i can't get away from it, just so much faster and handier [12:07] it seems like the problem with youtube's html video is limited to iceweasel 17.0.10 [12:07] because in chromium it works fine [12:20] oya charl i got 13.10 kde running lekker [12:24] great stuff [12:44] has anyone used cpanel here? [12:57] goeie more [13:00] cremora inetpro [13:00] wolke besig om te bou, hou duim vas [13:00] hi inetpro [13:00] magespawn: i have, long time ago i used to develop cpanel plugins [13:00] custom usage stats and stuff, but that was years ago [13:00] took out some fancy tricks there [13:00] what is cpanel? [13:00] * inetpro hates cpanel [13:01] hehe [13:01] you have these old-school hosting companies that provide you some panel thing to manage your website/email/etc [13:01] shared hosting [13:01] but most people are moving to vps'es these days so those are disappearing fast [13:01] it's now all cloud (saas/iaas) [13:02] * nuvolari made an oath to never touch cpanel witha 10-feet pole again [13:02] bad experience or that it's proprietary and expensive? [13:02] i thought, for the level of the time, it was quite good actually (compared to alternatives) [13:02] well, it was good, but if you have access to a root box, nothing beats that [13:02] i have enough problem keeping stuff here in order so not even listening to cloud stuff [13:03] of course, but that's why i said, those are old school shared hosting [13:03] what is magespawn trying to do? [13:03] Kilos: i'm pretty anti-cloud myself (i run/host everything myself) [13:04] yeah safer charl [13:04] as far as possible, in any case [13:04] the only "cloud" thing i have an account on is probably linkedin [13:04] i host my own website/mail/xmpp etc [13:04] no github, self hosted git and cgit, etc [13:05] i wonder what is the aim of using cloud [13:05] has it any advantages over and above if you host your own and drives crash [13:05] it's convenient and scalable, but not necessarily cheap [13:06] well you don't have to maintain it yourself, it's done for you by some company [13:06] but then you have to trust the company of course [13:06] ai! [13:06] and once all your data and services belong and are owned by some external company, you're their b*tch basically [13:06] like trusting suse now ms has bought it [13:06] sjoe [13:07] well look at canonical and their ubuntu one platform, how is that any better [13:07] the server side is proprietary, you can't run your own ubuntu one server [13:07] ya but we dont host our stuff there [13:07] if you use ubuntu one you're basically canonical's b*tich [13:08] good for you [13:08] i only use it to pass stuff on [13:08] get a vps and use rsync after encrypting everything with gpg if you want remote backups [13:08] and you keep full control over the keys [13:08] or some cloud backup service, but that only after encrypting everything on your end [13:09] ill keep my own stuff here ty where i can switch it off when needed [13:09] very good, that's my ideal too [13:09] i am even considering moving my vps to my house but the problem is the cable network [13:09] they sometimes do maintenance and the line goes down for a couple of hours [13:09] usually early morning hours, but bad enough if you're running a mail server [13:10] you okes that got time to google please find me some low price 16g sticks for sale [13:10] 16g sticks? [13:10] ive looked at the local places but they want R120 for 8g [13:10] usb flash drives [13:10] oh that [13:11] i saw some 16gb drives for 10 euro but that's in NL, i'm sure that's too far away :P [13:11] thats still expensive when converted and postage [13:11] yeah exactly [13:12] Maaz, convert 10 EU to ZAR [13:12] Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me [13:12] oh my [13:12] Maaz: you have some serious stomach problems [13:12] charl: I already know stuff about you [13:12] arent they about 13 to 1 [13:12] * inetpro needs to play with OpenStack [13:12] Maaz: that almost sounded like a threat [13:12] charl: *blink* [13:12] haha [13:13] OpenStack Community Q&A http://www.openstack.org/projects/openstack-faq/ [13:13] sigh whats openstack [13:13] ty [13:14] what for you wanna do that inetpro ? [13:37] i attended an openstack event some years back at oscon 2010 [13:37] i was very impressed (got a sticker for my laptop) but afaik openstack is more about the infrastructure, not the software [13:41] i need to look at puppet - it seems like puppet is becoming very popular [13:53] hi gerritfromsa [13:53] charl, howziiiit [13:53] hi gerritfromsa talk to Squirm about your ideas with a PI [13:54] he has one too [13:54] I think I published those links the other day ... let me check my history ... [13:55] Was basically building a nice little video sever with a Pi for next 2 nothing [13:55] video server with external hard drive attached via usb 3.0 ? [13:55] does the raspberry pi have gigabit ethernet or 100mbps? [13:55] he has a cam on his chopper [13:56] oh so you want to do live video streaming [13:56] Pi , 4x USB cameras , Linux running with motion and viola ... [13:56] 100mbps [13:56] this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28surveillance_software%29 [13:56] The internal SD card should be ample [13:56] yeah i was thinking more about stored video [13:57] or writing to san/nas [13:58] Like the idea of the video server on my bike ... [13:58] a live video server on your bicycle... what would the point of that be? [13:59] don't you just want to make a recording and upload it to somewhere later? [14:00] personally i am more interested in this: http://raspberrycolocation.com/ [14:00] for light-weight servers (mail/web/xmpp/etc) [14:02] the price of colocation per year is 36 euro [14:03] http://raspberrycolocation.com/applications/\ [14:03] http://raspberrycolocation.com/applications/ (sorry finger slipped and pressed backslash-enter) [14:04] charl, I meant on my dirtbike - would get angles I often miss with a helmet cam ... [14:05] and it's easily powered by the bike ... [14:05] haha [14:06] tell nuvolari about this too. he likes the roasties that come with dirt bikes [14:06] mountain bikes i think they called [14:07] he looked quite good at one stage [14:07] a Dirt bike is a Motorbike (veldfiets) [14:07] oh a scrambler [14:08] they for crazy speed freaks [14:08] im a trials bike ballie [14:08] sort of ... a scrambler actually refers to a specific style of bike ... [14:08] mind you no more biking now [14:09] also have a dual sport and a naked , I just love the stuff ... [14:09] oh so you want to use the thing as a custom video recorder [14:10] now i understand, sorry i misunderstood the "server" part [14:10] not as in a web server, but as in a video recorder [14:10] thats it [14:11] sounds like a great project [14:11] but then you would need somewhere to house it properly [14:11] otherwise it will get full of mud [14:11] the video servers from Axis allows you to connect 'old-style' cctv cameras to it and it converts it to iptv .. [14:11] yes the Pi can go under the seat and the webcams will just have to take it like a man [14:12] lol [14:12] wonder how waterproof a usb cam is/can be made ? [14:12] silicon seals anything [14:12] nothing that a bit of epoxy cant fix [14:12] or silicon ... [14:13] or put them in the indicator housings [14:14] could actually be lekka to have in your car as well [14:14] reverse camera , forward camera , left side cam .... [14:15] charl, it would most definitely work for mail/web/xmpp ... [14:16] I use it for XBMC and it streams 1080p [14:16] also use it to build small PBXs [14:16] oh yes it has an hdmi out now right? [14:16] jip [14:16] that sounds like something for me actually [14:16] because i want a fully open source television solution [14:17] then i just use the television as a display basically [14:17] and it fires up when you switch the TV on! [14:17] or even a large computer display but i have a 27 inch right now and that's about the largest cheap computer display [14:17] depending on yout TV set , it will power the USB port when you switch it on... [14:17] oh so it draws power from usb ? [14:18] how does it feed the video then - directly via usb or via hdmi? [14:18] yes MICRO USB port [14:18] hmm interesting [14:18] worth while investigating [14:18] do you run debian on the raspberry ? [14:18] pifactory.co.za in JHB keeps stock [14:18] raspbian [14:18] or RS Components in Kyalami [14:19] doesn't help me but good for south african people [14:20] oh, sorted: http://paxnova.nl/raspberry-pi [14:22] thanks guys, i having to edit the company website on cpanel and cms as joomla [14:22] i will tackle this in the morning again [14:23] home time, later all [14:24] oh whow ! http://www.raspberrystore.nl/ [14:28] whow, they are even distributed by farnell http://nl.farnell.com/raspberry-pi [14:28] this is very awesome i didn't know it was so big [14:30] farnell is huge, they are also known as element14 in some countries [14:30] they are like one of the biggest electronics distributors [14:31] (element number 14 is silicon btw) [14:43] Mine came from element14 ... [14:43] Pifactory sells element 14 [14:46] do you know ben heck ? [14:46] he has a show sponsored by element14 [14:47] nope [14:47] http://revision3.com/tbhs [14:47] someyimes check darren kitchens show - hack5 - really awesome linus podcasts [14:47] checking ... [14:48] yeah i have been following hak5 literally from season 1 [14:48] the chick presenter is very nice ... [14:49] shannon morse? [14:50] oh yes Shannon .... oh yes Shannon ... oh yes .. oh oh ... [14:51] Ben Heck , looks interesting [14:51] everyone knows she has a great rack but sheesh keep your pants on (meant literally) [14:52] ben heck is awesome, he does a lot of mods/builds and some electronics work (including raspberry pi) etc [14:52] and the girl got some IT knowledge too , how wonderful is that :) [14:52] does he do some Arduino as well ? [14:52] unfortunately very scarce material :( [14:52] he has done some arduino in the past if i recall correctly [14:54] I use x10 home automation stuff regularly for small projects but these open source Hardware projects open new doors ... [14:54] I actually get it from a NL based company called Marmitek [14:55] interesting, don't know them [14:55] They make the special South African plug with the X-10 stuff - 240V 5-60Hz [14:56] special south african plug? you mean the electrical supply socket? [14:56] Yes it's unique to SA [14:56] We developed it under apartheid [14:56] it's the old british plug actually but is only commonly used in south africa these days (although not exclusively) [14:56] no that's nonsense, it comes from britain [14:56] due to the boycotts [14:57] No UK is different [14:57] It was developed by a local company [14:57] no the uk also used the same plug but they switched to the modern version of their plug many years ago [14:57] in some countries like in botswana they use a combination of the new and old plugs [14:57] in other african countries like kenya they only use the new plugs [14:58] sjit you're right just wikipedia'd now [14:59] called the BS 546 [14:59] shows you the misinformation we're sitting with [15:00] Wait a minute , we did develop it , it did derive from the BS546 but we made some changes ... [15:01]