| valorie | http://pastebin.kde.org/pdtbrlrdb | 00:39 |
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| valorie | gotta go, but i'll look for hints for what I did wrong/forgot | 00:43 |
| claydoh | Mamarok: sorry for the delay, just finishing a vacation. I can't find the email in question, but a note to him might be advisable. | 01:04 |
| * claydoh catches up on the list | 01:04 | |
| * claydoh needs to get back into the swing of things | 01:09 | |
| * jalcine wants to get into the swing of things | 01:13 | |
| ahoneybun | hey valorie | 01:35 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 01:35 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: Thanks for the help | 04:11 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: I've got a working build again, now I'm just chasing down a series of crashes. The scenario you found a while back when you cancel immediately after starting the program is still happening, and I'm having all sorts of fun chasing it around. | 04:18 |
| ScottK | debfx: Just import the latest. | 04:20 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| claydoh | Mamarok: perhaps the basil situation has cleared itself ? I don't think that we should worry about chatter of other distros, for example they do discuss us in the english opensuse list, not necessarily in a negative fashion. | 05:16 |
| claydoh | That thread was far too confusing, I think I could have summed it up in a short, clear paragraph lol | 05:20 |
| Mamarok | claydoh: well, it did not, as this idiot now makes a mess about it | 06:54 |
| claydoh | Mamarok: "Bas, I can see that Felix has offered his expertise to help you out with | 06:56 |
| claydoh | your requirements so I will let him do just that if that's all right | 06:56 |
| claydoh | with you." | 06:56 |
| Mamarok | read all the mails, including those to -owner... | 06:56 |
| claydoh | bas = bas roufs, not basil chupin, that part confused me for a sec | 06:56 |
| Mamarok | I did send him a private mail with copy to -owner, which only we moderators receive, but he managed to think this was a public mail and sent a copy of it to the list | 06:57 |
| Mamarok | *headdesk* | 06:57 |
| claydoh | Oh, well it's done for the time being. | 06:58 |
| claydoh | and to think I may in the future move to Australia and be in clser proximity to him | 06:59 |
| Mamarok | you may? Interesting :) | 07:00 |
| claydoh | a redhead is involved :D | 07:01 |
| claydoh | she just went back from a visit here, now to save for a trip there | 07:03 |
| Mamarok | congratulations in order? | 07:07 |
| claydoh | Mamarok: not yet, still have to scrape money up to finally get the divorce. The Ex left, but doesn't want to foot any bills lol | 07:26 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:06 |
| benvantende | morning people | 08:44 |
| Peace- | guys i have a very big problem with usb | 08:56 |
| Peace- | they work for some time then they are dead | 08:56 |
| Peace- | #kernel ? | 08:56 |
| Peace- | reboot | 09:04 |
| === Oli`` is now known as Oli | ||
| apachelogger | oh right | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, shadeslayer, ScottK: so ... yay or nay to the mail? | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | also I remembered that we shoudl slap a thread on kubuntuforums | 10:22 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yay | 10:35 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: looks good to me | 13:59 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: and it's fine for GPL code to depend on a package that is LGPL and links to openssl? | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | ( GPL code doesn't link to openssl code ) | 14:02 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: hmm, maybe not | 14:03 |
| Riddell | what's the case? | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | see ktp mailing list | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | auth handler needs qca2 + ssl plugin | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | *plugin* | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | if $thing works without $plugin then there is no license tie between $thing and $plugin | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | $thing *linking* against $plugin *linking* against openssl, $thing would not work without openssl thus there is a license tie | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2013-November/010409.html | 14:07 |
| Riddell | yes (as long as you can argue it's not a derived work) | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | ^ it's definitely not derived as long as A works without B, B is however a derived work of A when B is a plugin for A | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | if B is not a plugin for A there's also not tie there (e.g. when A would dlopen B and manually resolve symbols - as long as A still works without B) | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | really the question you have to ask is "does A work without B" | 14:10 |
| shadeslayer | As documented by the thread, A does not work without B | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | causes crashes | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64098-Installing-Kubuntu-13-10-on-UEFI-SecureBoot-Systems you may want to sticky that or something | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well, depends on why it crashes | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | but if it crashes because it tries to load the plugin and can't find it then one could very likely argue for dervied work | 14:20 |
| d_ed | hey, I was summoned? | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | if it however crashes because there simply is no plugin then it's rather hard to argue for dervied work | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: why does qca make apps crash without the openssl plugin? | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | is it because it must find it or because there is no plugin in general | 14:22 |
| d_ed | if you ever call QCA::fromDER() it explodes. | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: I wish I had detachable ears | 14:22 |
| d_ed | we have a runtime guard from 0.6.3 onwards | 14:22 |
| d_ed | but then it will just not work instead of crashing | 14:23 |
| d_ed | which isn't exactly better | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: what's the bt though | 14:24 |
| d_ed | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326948 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326948 in auth-handler "ktp-auth-handler: Segmentation fault" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | creepy codez | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: that seems like a bug in qca though ;) | 14:30 |
| d_ed | well... part of the code it's using is missing. | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no derived work ... it crashes because it has no keycontext provider, not specifically because it has no openssl plugin | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | 'keycontext provider" ? | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | plugin interface type it appears | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | if I write a plugin that implements a keycontext it would not crash | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | so it is not derived work of openssl | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | it is however badly written code because it crashes :P | 14:34 |
| d_ed | well, I want it to stop crashing. | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | and it seems like a run time dependency to me, so I'm curious as to whether or not we can add it to Recommends | 14:37 |
| d_ed | or the depends. | 14:37 |
| d_ed | because it depends on it to run | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: that's a bug IMO | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: recommends probably is an option | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | OTOH | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | there are more pluing interfaces than that one so recommends may be excessive from a QCA pov | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | i.e. if you don't need the key interface rubbish you don't need openssl specifically | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | it's as if libphonon recommended libphononqml | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | well not really, but equally excessive :P | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: IMHO the recommends ought to be on auth-handler | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | in fact there it can be a depends | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | that's what I'm proposing | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | ah, I thought for QCA | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | but I was unsure of the legalese | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | no, see my original question | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | GPL code depends on LGPL package that depends on openssl | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | packaging has no implications on legal here :P | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no it doesn't | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 14:42 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: anything I need to do with this pesky Basil chap? | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | if there wasn't a bug in QCA it would not crash, so ktp would not crash so there is no argument for dervied work | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | ktp doesn't specifically require openssl | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | right | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | it requires a QCA plugin that implements the keycontext plugin such that fromDER does something useful | 14:43 |
| d_ed | and is there anything apart from openssl that actually does that? | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | whether that plugin is openssl or mylittlepony doesn't matter to KTP | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: dunno, from a legal pov it doesn't matter though | 14:44 |
| d_ed | as I understand it, it's like us depending on phonon - but only phonon-gstreamer existing..with no-one pulling it in. | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: if you had no phonon backend you would still work | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | you would not produce sound or whatever | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | but you would not crash | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | so not a derived work | 14:45 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: no, I hope he understood the problem by now... | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | d_ed: but as I said, ktp-auth depending/recommending openssl is fine because of the status quo that you *want* it so that the user is happy | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | you don't actually *need* it to work | 14:46 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| Riddell | Mamarok: thanks for handling it | 14:51 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: that's the least I can do :) | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: which is why I was saying a recommends will be fine as well? | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | yeah well | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | I'd go depends TBH | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | fine with me either way | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | supposedly there is no GUI message explaining why a feature does not behave as expected by the user, so I'd simply avoid that alltogether | 14:54 |
| gnumdk | Is there any reason kubuntu ship an older version of phonon? | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: Canon Rock | 14:55 |
| Riddell | gnumdk: it ships 4.6.0 which was the newest version when we released | 14:59 |
| gnumdk | ok | 15:00 |
| gnumdk | Cool :) | 15:01 |
| gnumdk | Because 4.7 is broken with pulseaudio :) | 15:01 |
| gnumdk | Backporting to 4.6 on arch fix my issue, going to report bug | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | gnumdk: what be the issue? | 15:04 |
| gnumdk | volume isn't changed | 15:05 |
| gnumdk | from amarok or dragonplayer | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | you have to update phonon-gstreamer/phonon-vlc as well | 15:05 |
| gnumdk | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327279 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 327279 in general "Volume control is broken with pulseaudio" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:06 |
| gnumdk | apachelogger: using ArchLinux so up to date ;) As i was sure Kubuntu was not broken, i tried to downgrade phonon | 15:07 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ScottK ktp-auth-handler awaiting approval in the SRU queue | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | bug 1249014 | 16:49 |
| ubottu | bug 1249014 in ktp-auth-handler (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] kde-telepathy-auth-handler does not depend on libqca2-plugin-ossl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1249014 | 16:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: Test Case TBD? | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes, waiting on d_ed | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | ktp contactlist still connects without the ssl plugin | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | though it should throw a warning dialog | 17:42 |
| * Riddell wanders off to barcelona | 17:57 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: :D | 18:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | how does the kubuntu packaging take place? | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer | magically? | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: should I run the script for 4.12 | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | or do we want to merge thingums from debian first | 18:45 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: well, apachelogger and me talked about it yesterday and pretty much decided not to *merge* | 18:46 |
| yofel | we can look for packaging fixes later | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | cool | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | running scripty then | 18:46 |
| yofel | so go ahead | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | it's not funny how muon has very obvious bugs | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | for eg. the package states are flags everywhere except in muonstrings.cpp where it's treated as a enum causing weird issues in the ui | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | then someone forgot to document the Package::Held enum as a string | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | causing empty strings in the dialog that shows you what's going to be committed | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: which files does one usually copy for a new release? | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | kdesc-packages-foo and kdesc-dev-latest-foo ? | 18:52 |
| yofel | kde-sc-dev-latest-saucy.txt, you generate kdesc-packages-trusty.txt with kdesc-package-names | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | cool | 18:53 |
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| shadeslayer | :S | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkomparediff2/". | 19:05 |
| === zorael^ is now known as zorael | ||
| shadeslayer | we should make kubuntu-initial-upload gracefully fail for new packages | 19:06 |
| === zorael is now known as zorael^ | ||
| === zorael^ is now known as zorael | ||
| === zorael is now known as zorael^ | ||
| === zorael^ is now known as zorael | ||
| shadeslayer | yofel: fwiw I see alot of debcommit: unable to determine commit message using bzr | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | Try using the -m flag. | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | okay, I have to leave | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: plz be running the script :) | 19:29 |
| === zorael is now known as zorael^ | ||
| === zorael^ is now known as zorael | ||
| === zorael is now known as zorael^ | ||
| === zorael^ is now known as zorael | ||
| ahoneybun | hello | 20:29 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1249094] qt4-designer segfaults in QMetaObject::indexOfSignal @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1249094 (by SimonW) | 21:53 |
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