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| aquarius | mhall119, I haven't proposed any appdev sessions because I don't know of anything which I want to happen which isn't already on someone's list. | 00:52 |
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| aquarius | mhall119, and because I can't commit to any time to building these things, partially for job reasons and partially because I want to be an app developer, not an OS developer. | 00:53 |
| aquarius | mhall119, do you have sessions in mind that you think I should propose? | 00:53 |
| aquarius | I will of course try and be present for UDS sessions! | 00:53 |
| popey | yay | 00:53 |
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| aquarius | popey, I admit that this is not really much help. | 01:19 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; and though I hesitate to say it, happy Men Make Dinner Day! :-D | 10:03 |
| popey | Good morning JamesTait | 10:03 |
| JamesTait | It is! | 10:04 |
| t1mp | JamesTait: pfew. You almost scared me there, but I see you left out the "National" part of the special day. It is only valid in USA ;) | 10:15 |
| JamesTait | t1mp, feel free to play along anyway, just for fun. ;) | 10:16 |
| t1mp | :) | 10:16 |
| * JamesTait alerts the fire service. | 10:16 | |
| aquarius | Do I *have* to have a MainView? Think of, for example, a full-screen game, where I don't want the header. What happens if I don't have a MainView? Does a bunch of stuff not work, then? Or is the best thing to do to have a MainView and somehow not include the header? | 10:17 |
| t1mp | aquarius: if you set the title of your active page to "" the header will be hidden | 10:17 |
| aquarius | t1mp, aha. So I should still have a mainview and just hide the header | 10:18 |
| aquarius | I suspected that might be the case | 10:18 |
| aquarius | might be worth poking the documentation for that case | 10:18 |
| aquarius | or maybe even adding a makeMyThingFullscreen bool property to mainview, which will help people realise how to do it? | 10:18 |
| t1mp | aquarius: wait a second, maybe I am lying :( I don't see in the code now that it'll hide when title is "" | 10:19 |
| aquarius | t1mp, it works, though | 10:20 |
| aquarius | so I think we're good :) | 10:20 |
| t1mp | ok, great | 10:20 |
| aquarius | except that this is wholly undocumented, as noted ;) | 10:20 |
| t1mp | aquarius: can you report a bug for that lack of documentation? | 10:21 |
| aquarius | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1248898 filed | 10:25 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1248898 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "No documentation for how to hide MainView's header" [Undecided,New] | 10:25 |
| t1mp | aquarius: thanksk. | 10:26 |
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| t1mp | oSoMoN: I replied on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ap-toolbar-open/+merge/194122 | 14:00 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, replied there | 14:01 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: yes, the toolbar always closes after 5s of inactivity | 14:03 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: or when the user interacts with the app | 14:03 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: and there is a request to hide it also when the user interacts with the app header | 14:03 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: I think in most cases my solution is fine because toolbars only have buttons usually | 14:04 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: but I realize that the webbrowser (and perhaps other apps) are special cases | 14:04 |
| daker | tmoenicke: ping | 14:04 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: hmm.. maybe somehow the timer should stop when the user touches anywhere on the toolbar and restart when releasing | 14:06 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: would that help? I guess for interacting with the address bar that would avoid hiding while doing stuff there | 14:06 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: so then it is not strictly a test issue, but some toolbar behavior I need to fix | 14:06 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: ok I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ap-toolbar-open/+merge/194122 | 14:10 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: did you run into the issue on the browser that the toolbar can close while entering a url? | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, no, I’m not having issues with the browser, as I’m not using the default toolbar, I’m using a custom one | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, so in fact the only reliable solution for tests is to first ensure the toolbar is hidden by interacting with the app’s contents, then reveal it and then interact with it | 14:12 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, otherwise we’ll always run into race conditions where the toolbar hides while moving the cursor to interact with it | 14:12 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: well click_button() now checks that the toolbar wasn't closed (or closing) already and opens it again if needed | 14:15 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, yeah, in that case I guess that’s an acceptable solution | 14:16 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: ok, I'll go with that then. And I will report a bug for pausing of the timer for interaction with other components (textfield / slider) in the toolbar | 14:18 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: but I don't think any apps do that (yet) so it is not urgent | 14:19 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, yeah, probably not high priority | 14:19 |
| oSoMoN | t1mp, it might make sense to update the emulators’ documentation (if there is any) to explain the default behaviour of the toolbar, and that click_button() will ensure it’s shown before actually clicking | 14:20 |
| t1mp | oSoMoN: sure, I will add that. | 14:22 |
| t1mp | thanks | 14:22 |
| blaroche | bzoltan: ping | 14:24 |
| oSoMoN | dpm, hey, is there a design meeting for calendar-app today? | 15:32 |
| dpm | oSoMoN, not that I know of, I shall cancel it for this week. At UDS we'll be discussing the roadmap and how we resume the meetings for next cycle | 15:32 |
| dpm | popey, makes sense? ^ | 15:33 |
| oSoMoN | dpm, makes sense to me, thanks for confirming | 15:33 |
| dpm | k | 15:33 |
| popey | No, we cancelled all the hangouts. | 15:33 |
| aquarius | dpm, do you think it's worth having a uds session about fat packages? I mean, I think bzoltan1 and team know about the need for it, and for the app runner to handle them? | 15:54 |
| dpm | aquarius, I think it might be, but I'd also check with cjwatson first, as he's got the best overview on the click packages roadmap | 15:56 |
| aquarius | dpm, as I understand it, click itself is now quite capable of creating fat packages, but the app runner doesn't know how to run them properly because that bit hasn't been decided :) | 15:59 |
| dpm | aha | 15:59 |
| dpm | aquarius, when you say app runner, you mean upstart? | 15:59 |
| dpm | or qmlscene? | 15:59 |
| aquarius | dpm, upstart | 16:00 |
| aquarius | dpm, something needs to do the moral equivalent of "QML2_IMPORT_PATHS=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.mypackage/current/lib/qml/arm qmlscene /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.mypackage/current/MyApp.qml" | 16:01 |
| aquarius | and the same for ld_library_path for C libs | 16:01 |
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| aquarius | and possibly $PATH for binaries | 16:01 |
| aquarius | that's upstart: it happens before you start qmlscene. The thing which runs packages needs to recognise that that package *is* a fat package which contains arch-specific stuff, and then make sure that the arch-specific stuff which is appropriate for the arch we are on is the stuff that gets loaded :) | 16:02 |
| aquarius | presumably we need some way of declaring that the Exec= line actually points to an arch-specific binary, too | 16:02 |
| aquarius | unless that's just handled by the path stuff as well | 16:03 |
| dpm | yeah, but I guess that last bit would be if the binaries actually need to be executed to start the app (e.g. a pure C++ app). So far we've just been loading QML frontends that consume binary components | 16:05 |
| dpm | I've pinged tedg, he might be able to help better than I can in this area | 16:07 |
| tedg | Howdy | 16:07 |
| dpm | ah, speaking of the devil... | 16:07 |
| dpm | hi tedg :) | 16:07 |
| tedg | So I'm a bit confused. Are we installing all the binaries on disk? | 16:08 |
| dpm | tedg, we were wondering if you could shed some light on this discussion: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6377041/ | 16:08 |
| tedg | I figured we'd just delete the unused ones. | 16:09 |
| dpm | I'm not familiar with how the actual fat packages will deal with the binaries | 16:09 |
| dpm | aquarius? | 16:09 |
| tedg | This probably isn't a good channel... cjwatson isn't here either :-) | 16:10 |
| aquarius | I don't know how any of this is supposed to work | 16:10 |
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| dpm | In that case, I think we might just want to jump into #ubuntu-devel and ask cjwatson | 16:11 |
| aquarius | happy to | 16:11 |
| aquarius | I'm not sure cjwatson is driving it though | 16:12 |
| aquarius | he's doing "make click be able to create these packages", whcih I believe it already does | 16:12 |
| aquarius | making the app runner care about them -- he said he'd spoken to the sdk team, i think | 16:12 |
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| balloons | nik90, I see your trying to land your swip branch now | 19:06 |
| balloons | let me know if you need anything | 19:06 |
| tmoenicke | daker: pong | 19:21 |
| nik90 | balloons: hi | 19:21 |
| nik90 | balloons: I looked at the test failures and figured it could do a fix or two. I fixed everything on my end now. Just waiting for the swipe delete emulator fix from elopio. | 19:22 |
| nik90 | balloons: I have also created another branch where I added 3 more autopilot tests | 19:22 |
| balloons | oO :-) | 19:22 |
| * nik90 knew balloons would be glad :P | 19:23 | |
| tmoenicke | daker: just seeing your comment on the language MR, thank you | 19:23 |
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| daker | tmoenicke: yw :) | 20:31 |
| daker | tmoenicke: i hope that the long list will not create UI issues :) | 20:32 |
| tmoenicke | daker: not sure | 20:32 |
| tmoenicke | daker: could it be shorter somehow? | 20:32 |
| daker | tmoenicke: no, all those countries have arabic as their official language | 20:34 |
| tmoenicke | daker: ok | 20:34 |
| daker | tmoenicke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world | 20:34 |
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| mhall119 | Looky there, HTML5 UI API docs are now available! http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUI/ | 22:04 |
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