[00:00] i wish these looooong builds had a progress bar or something [00:00] like cmake :) [00:03] ali1234: Problem is it's very programmatic - there's no way in std make of knowing how many more things you have to build [00:04] it seems to be going fairly fast at least [00:15] ali1234: Is it keeping multiple cores busy? [00:16] sort of... there's around 10 cc processes but each one only seems to get about 20% [00:16] maybe they are starting and stopping too fast for top to be accurate [00:17] yeh [00:37] hi [00:38] help me ! [00:38] D: [00:38] emre_ozdn: you need to ask a question usually [00:39] dpkg: error: `/var/lib/dpkg/status' An error occurred while trying to read the package information file: No such file or directory [00:41] does that file exist? [00:47] that file is removed [01:02] it seems to be compiling languages or codepages or something... i think it's nearly done... [01:09] now it seems to have started over... doh [01:15] ali1234: what exactly are you building? [01:15] eglibc 2.15 from precise [01:19] -mfloat-abi=softfp [01:19] hmmmm [01:19] i think it is now building an armel version [01:23] Package: libc6-armel [01:23] Architecture: armhf [01:24] Description: Embedded GNU C Library: ARM softfp shared libraries for armhf [01:25] ali1234: The debian/control file will list all the debs it should produce [01:25] yeah... i don't think i'm building that [01:25] let's see [01:26] ali1234: what you building in? wheezy? [01:26] raspbian, so yeah i guess [01:27] it's building: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6373851/ [01:27] i guess [01:27] hmm no not all those archs [01:28] no, i suppose not [01:31] ali1234: what did you do for missing g++-4.6-multilib ? [01:31] nothing and debuild with -d [01:32] i installed as many deps as possible manually [01:32] ah [01:32] if we're going to benchmark we should use a package that isn't crazy [01:33] or else just pick something from raspbian that should work easily [01:34] yeah [01:34] getting this to work is going to be fun [01:34] build-tree/armhf-armel/wctype/stamp.oT - armhf *and* armel? [01:35] how about something like zlib or emacs? [01:35] zlib takes about 8 seconds to compile [01:36] yeah, need something chunky [01:36] gcc ☻ [01:36] potentialy crazy due it building itself to build itself... [01:36] dunno if it actually does that [01:36] nah [01:37] libSDL might be a good candidate [01:37] yeah, probably better than libc [01:37] it should be relatively tested on pi, takes a while to build, and isn't crazy... and it uses cmake in recent versions (maybe not packaged though) [01:37] * penguin42 suggests coreutils [01:38] that wont take long [01:38] 11MB of source [01:38] long enough on pi ☻ [01:39] yeah, thats probably better, wont have lots of deps [01:40] only needed 10 above what I already had here [01:41] anyway, bed [01:42] coreutils from raspbian on raspbian then? [01:42] yes [01:42] coreutils-8.13 [01:45] haha, ran out of space on my pi [01:45] oops [01:45] didn't resize the partition up from 2.5GB to 32GB [01:46] * popey rm's two copies of eglibc [01:46] i bind-mounted a directory from outside the chroot for compiling [02:02] * popey leaves it running [02:07] i don't think i'll see much benefit from multicore... it seems to be spending most time on configure [03:01] hmm... qemu froze. known bug apparently. using the linaro-qemu is supposed to fix it [03:02] rpi chugging along slowly [03:02] doing tests [03:18] real 4m43.231s [03:18] (i7 building saucy coreutils natively) [03:19] well i got past where it froze before [03:19] running configure takes like 15 minutes [03:19] probably because all the process start/stop. it compiles a million tiny programs and then runs them [03:20] the tests take quite a while too [03:21] pi has nearly finished [03:21] omg it's running another configure script [03:21] checking all the same stuff again [03:23] it can't be optimal to check that the system supports pipes every single time you build this [03:24] has to build on a buildd dunnit [03:24] where it's a clean room [03:24] so what? [03:24] when was the last time a linux system didn't support pipes? [03:24] if OS==linux then skip_99%_of_the_checks [03:24] heh [03:24] Does Hurd support pipes? ☻ [03:25] i dunno but i'm guessing it either does or it doesn't and that isn't going to change [03:26] there should be a thing like ccache, but for configure [03:26] i know there's configure.cache, but why not make it system-wide? [03:27] i suppose you could make the argument that some earlier package build broke pipes or something [03:28] i didnt realise quite how much coreutils had in it [03:29] pretty much everything that isn't built in to bash [03:29] actually it probably includes bash [03:30] FUUUU! [03:30] finished [03:30] but for some reason I have a screen full of y [03:31] not the time it finished at [03:31] I may have typed "yes" in the wrong terminal ☻ [03:31] still chewing through configure here [03:32] so finished at ~03:30 [03:33] so ~1.5 hours [03:33] * popey runs again after cleaning [03:33] bed [03:36] ....and it hung on msgmerge again [03:36] screw this, forget qemu, it sucks [06:57] morning all [06:58] o/ [07:04] shauno: thought I was the only mad one up this time of the morning [07:05] I've been in the office since 6 :( [07:07] 6:30 for me, you finish early? [07:11] yeah, that's the upswing .. going home at 2pm feels like cheating :) [07:12] why were those guys up at 3am? crazies [07:12] yeah I leave at 3:30, unless I take lunch then I can go at 3 [07:12] mungbean: which guys? [07:12] al1 and p0p93y [07:13] dont wanna hlight them cos they are sleeping now i hope [07:14] * mungbean is feeding babby and changing nappies [07:16] saw them on the podcast show last night, didn't know they were up at 3 lol [07:16] mungbean: luckily my two were still in bed when I left for work... [07:17] i gave wifey a lie in \o/ [07:17] "lie in" until 7.40 [07:28] twitter is valued at £11bn LOL [07:28] £50 per "user account" [07:35] i'm still up [07:35] thinking about breakfast [07:36] ali1234: what you been doing that's kept you up all night? still with the compiling on the pi? [07:38] no, i've given up on that [07:38] i've been looking at xterm actually [07:38] wow don't you ever sleep ;) [07:38] did you know if you run xterm -t and then type, it segfaults? [07:38] and it's probably been this way for years [07:39] I did not know that. [07:55] Morning allMorning all [07:55] oops [07:56] morning diplo morning diplo ;) [07:56] heh [07:56] Shows how much typing I did on here yesterday, I up arrowed once by mistake :) [07:59] lol [07:59] xterm -t seems to work here, but I'm not entirely sure what it's trying to do [08:04] it just brings the uglies; http://cl.ly/image/3p3C2E0s2o2N [08:05] tektronix.. eek [08:07] I realise OSX doesn't actually help you at all, but at least it means XTerm(281) probably isn't fundamentally b0rken [08:10] well, ubuntu has 278 [08:10] so maybe they fixed it [08:17] not sure I expected OSX to have a newer version. that seems backwards [08:51] might be a termcap bug [08:52] termcap bugs shouldn't crash the program [08:54] true [08:59] xterm -t works for me [09:00] mungbean: even if you start typing in it? [09:00] yesh [09:00] are you a wizard? [09:00] (which Ubuntu version) [09:00] yes, i have the certificate to prove it [09:00] by the reddit definition [09:01] i'm on elementary which is 12.04.3 ubuntu [09:03] i'll try on a vm [09:05] works on 12.04.3 VM [09:12] segfaults on 13.10 [09:12] ali1234: ^^ [09:19] Good morning peeps :) [09:19] \o bigcalm [09:20] mornign mornign [09:33] all right fellows, I am happy now to share http://www.ubuntu-helpouts.org [09:34] I did my first new helpouts last night, and it was great fun [09:35] SuperMatt: were people helped? [09:35] And i'm just waiting for my helpout invite....silly slow google. [09:35] yes they were! [09:35] can i sign up and ask really difficult questions? [09:35] if you like [09:35] ali1234: it's mainly for beginners....you're totally over qualified ;) [09:36] I might not be able to answer them ;) [09:36] You have to love the Internet :-D [09:36] PTFE (Teflon) "... is the only known surface to which a *gecko* cannot stick." [09:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene [09:36] your channel should be ## probably, assuming you're not official [09:37] no, we're not official [09:37] ali1234: yeah we reaslised that after it was created :( [09:37] my fault.... [09:37] we can move to ## [09:37] TheOpenSourcerer: dare we ask what you were googling to arrive at that? [09:38] shauno: A mate posted it on FB [09:38] http://prospect.rsc.org/blogs/cw/2013/04/02/how-geckos-can-beat-non-stick/ [09:39] i googled "what surfaces can't a gecko stick to?" and that was the top result [09:39] appears to contradict wikipedia [09:39] Like I said - You really have to love the Internet sometimes... [09:40] I also discovered yesterday that there is a website dedicated to images of single women laughing with a plate or bowl of salad. [09:40] Rule #34 [09:40] http://womenlaughingalonewithsalad.tumblr.com/ [09:41] I kinda want a gecko now. I assume you can buy harnesses for them on etsy [09:41] ali1234: we've changed channel [09:42] SuperMatt: you're in danger of flouting the trademark policy [09:43] popey: in what way? I'm happy to change things to ensure I don't [09:43] just re-reading it to check ☻ [09:43] cool thanks [09:43] I wanna work with Canonical on this [09:45] why do you recommend virtualbox? [09:45] just to get started [09:45] i kinda want to go on random helpouts and say "hello, i'd like an argument please" [09:45] without destroying anything ;) [09:46] popey: vbox work with just one apt-get install, virtd + kvm is a lot harder to get running quickly [09:46] 5 mins or the full half hour? [09:46] ali1234: come to mine, i'll reply with, is this a 4 min one of fll half hout [09:46] oh damn you popey [09:46] SuperMatt: who is the site aimed at [09:46] beginners and people interesting moving to or learning ubuntu [09:46] absolute beginners, mostly [09:47] beginners who have already got ubuntu or people who have not [09:47] well, I'm happy to help with either [09:47] if they've already installed it, they can skip the virtualbox step [09:47] and i'll deal with people wanting to move to it, or give it a go. [09:47] I should make not of that [09:47] it just seems confusing for the getting started page to mention virtualbox [09:47] or just see what it's like. [09:48] sure [09:48] well content like that will change. [09:48] I needed some resourse for the folks at google to accept me [09:48] oh? [09:49] if it turns out to be something people don't connect with, I'll change it [09:49] yup, they strongly suggest you have a well populated website so that people can get a feel of how qualified you are [09:49] in which case "received" has been mis-spelt :P [09:50] where have I done that? [09:50] its certainly an interesting area for supporting new users [09:50] which is why I'm getting involved, to help with newbies lol [09:50] indeed, last night I was helping someone with grub, someone get an n64 emulator working, and someone running apache [09:50] Day 1 ctrl-f reciev [09:51] I started recieving requests for help. [09:51] resieve? [09:51] * mungbean slaps MartijnVdS [09:51] do [09:51] *doh [09:51] * MooDoo should of spotted that as well lol [09:51] I walways do that ;) [09:51] I don't walways do that typo though [09:51] i have a radar for typos [09:52] you must be an English teacher [09:52] my Red Had Certified Systems Administrator exam, [09:52] "You will require Canonical’s permission to use: (i) any mark ending with the letters UBUNTU or BUNTU which is sufficiently similar to the Trademarks or any other confusingly similar mark, and (ii) any Trademark in a domain name or URL or for merchandising purposes." [09:52] http://www.ubuntu-helpouts.org/matthew-ames/ [09:52] typo on there [09:52] that one is probably the thing you'd need to consider [09:52] http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy [09:53] SuperMatt: i'll email canonical about this. [09:54] mungbean: what's Red Had? ;) [09:54] SuperMatt's typo [09:54] Ah [09:54] Maybe I should pay attention [09:54] Then again... [09:54] sit up there at the back of class! [09:54] stop slouching! [09:54] i'm writing more documentation today [09:55] shutter is a nice tool for screenshots [09:55] I want more sleep [09:55] also includes upload to imgur directly in [09:55] mungbean: better than alt+printscreen? [09:55] yes [09:55] yes [09:55] well alt-printscreen saves the screenshot and opens shutter window [09:55] SuperMatt: Canonical contactd [09:56] not as good as psr on windows, which is the best app not available for linux [09:56] nice pic MooDoo [09:56] on your about page [09:57] Thanks :) [09:57] looking good [09:57] does ubuntu -uk still have a mugshot gallery? [09:57] does ubuntu-uk still exist after the ubuntu uk'ers all got jobs for canonical :P [09:57] i think the planet page stopped [09:58] well I was thinking about asking the best way to get the planet reactivated...maybe look after it myself? [09:58] it's still listed on the ubuntu-uk.org page [09:58] was it closed for lack of resources or some other reason [09:59] wow so old - [09:59] if its non members then it could be anyone writing anything, but not bound by CoC [09:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members [09:59] so broken [09:59] yup, might be time for a tidy up. [10:00] popey: AlanBell https://plus.google.com/u/0/+WebUpd8/posts/UfCgv3DByck lol [10:00] yeah, we shutdown the planet [10:00] popey: how come? too much time to maintain? [10:01] haha TheOpenSourcerer [10:01] popey: that sounds bad out of context [10:01] lol [10:01] we discussed it at a meeting some time back [10:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting [10:02] we also turned off ircstats, and brobostigon stepped up to make a new one, which works. [10:02] http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html [10:02] Good morning all; and though I hesitate to say it, happy Men Make Dinner Day! :-D [10:03] I *always* make dinner! [10:03] If my wife boils water she burns it. [10:03] I don't *always* make dinner, but it's not rare. That's why I hesitate to say it. The can is open, there are worms everywhere. [10:04] * MartijnVdS always makes dinner as well [10:04] hah [10:04] Living alone does that to you [10:06] I suspect G+ killed the planet [10:06] G+ is good though [10:06] MartijnVdS, this is the thing, you see. There are *loads* of situations where men *always* make dinner, some of them rather sensitive. === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:07] maybe g+ needs a community page for ubuntu UK [10:07] is there a "shared circle" of Ubuntu people? [10:07] because you can share circles.. [10:07] elementary has a community page, and i see posts to that community but i don't follow them [10:09] glad to hear its working fine, :) [10:09] good morning everyone, [10:09] wold be good to have the same for the ubuntu community, maybe it already exists [10:10] all irc channels as a whole? [10:11] Oh my! "The loudest one was JamesTait, who yelled 33.4% of the time!" [10:11] that'll be your morning call [10:12] But then, "JamesTait isn't a sad person either, smiling 38.1% of the time." So it's all good, right? [10:13] This IRCstats thing is going to ruin my reputation as a grumpy old man. :( [10:13] JamesTait: ♫ Shouty happy people :) [10:13] Poor MooDoo, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 7 times. :) lol [10:13] * popey creates one [10:13] the play store update system seems dead, two devices, seperate networks, both get download failiure. [10:14] woohoo I'm in the top 20 stats for most active nicks. [10:15] not sure if thats a badge of pride or shame [10:16] both mungbean and my old alter ego are there [10:16] i think the stats should reflect maybe the last year rather than all time [10:16] yeah think it just means i'm gobby [10:16] because somebody who was prolific in the past e.g. gordallot doesn't come anymore === Oli`` is now known as Oli [10:16] so thi stends to skew results [10:17] wow oimon 309 days ago [10:17] actually quite a few i've not seen in awhile.... [10:19] ali1234 spoke a total of 312992 words! [10:19] ali1234's faithful follower, popey, didn't speak so much: 231448 words. [10:19] lol [10:20] yeah the stats can be fub [10:20] fun [10:22] But they're obviously wrong. They say I spoke more than aquarius, which can't be true! :-P === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | ubuntu [10:23] \o/ [10:25] * aquarius laughs [10:25] O M G he spoke ;) [10:25] well laughed [10:25] I'm on irc less these days than once I was [10:27] :) [10:27] joining right now [10:29] this is amazing http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ef0b/ [10:35] I think I might actually be the most faithful customer of Nabee Socks [10:42] is anyone else experiencing google play downloads failing, independant of network connection and device.? [10:43] brobostigon: let me check [10:43] MartijnVdS: thank you. [10:44] works fine on N5 [10:44] hmmm, [10:45] should i disable hyperthreading on an esxi server? [10:46] MartijnVdS: all other stuff like facebook and g+ and k9 is working, so it is definatly isolated to that. [10:47] mungbean: I suspect it depends what kind of work the servers themselves are doing; if it's not stuff that involves a lot of context switching (e.g. webserver, small jobs etc.) then leave it on, but if it's tasks which require lots of swapping in and out of memory, best to turn it off, I'd say. [10:47] "If the hardware and BIOS support hyper-threading, ESXi automatically makes use of it. For the best [10:48] performance we recommend that you enable hyper-threading" [10:48] ^^ vmware [10:48] brobostigon: do you have a connection to the google services (do hangouts work, for instance) [10:48] and if you're binding VMs to cores, only bind them to even-numbered cores [10:48] http://www.vmware.com/pdf/Perf_Best_Practices_vSphere5.0.pdf [10:48] Myrtti: i need more nabee socks [10:48] MartijnVdS: how do i try a hangout ? [10:48] popey: my count is ten pairs now... *blush* [10:48] blimey [10:48] i have one [10:49] * mungbean wears M&S fresh feet [10:49] eg, if you bind VMs to cores 0 and 1, they're bound to the same phyiscal core, which misses the point [10:49] brobostigon: you go into the hangouts app and message someone (yourself?) [10:49] "Be careful when using CPU affinity on systems with hyper-threading. Because the two logical processors [10:49] share most of the processor resources, pinning vCPUs, whether from different virtual machines or from [10:49] MartijnVdS: message myself? ok. [10:49] a single SMP virtual machine, to both logical processors on one core (CPUs 0 and 1, for example) could [10:49] cause poor performance." [10:50] popey: four from kickstarter, two freebies for the review/quality control photos, and now four with discount codes and sales [10:50] that's the one. even-numbered cores are physical cores, odd-numbered cores are the second 'logical' core on each === Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker` [10:51] MartijnVdS: can i test it on you please? [10:51] brobostigon: sure [10:51] Myrtti: are they flight socks? [10:52] I wonder if their willingness to send me a Paypal invoice and ship them to UK/Finland even when the online shop their website uses is in any way attributed by the amount of socks I've got from them :-D [10:52] mungbean: yup [10:52] my missis gets varicose veins and poor circulation, will it help her in the daytime too? [10:53] MartijnVdS: sent. [10:53] out of stock ☹ [10:53] brobostigon: you can also check the connected-to-google status through typing *#*#8255#*#* into the dialer [10:53] popey: out of sock! [10:53] MartijnVdS: ah, let me try. [10:54] mungbean: they've helped me with my paranoia, also my feet do feel better on the days I wear them [10:54] International shipping is not available at this time. Worldwide shipping will be coming soon. [10:55] paranoia about people looking at your legs? talking about you behind your back? [10:55] they are dead comfy [10:55] paranoia about DVT [10:55] * popey is wearing his ☻ [10:55] mungbean: no, I've got a hereditary thing that increases my risk of DVT [10:55] ah, then 10 pairs is aceptable [10:56] popey is just wearing his for the lulz [10:56] and the feelz [10:56] bitcoin alpaca socks cured my exploding head syndrome [10:56] mostly for the feelz [10:56] hah, you really should go to bed ☻ [10:56] yeah a note from the local university hematology headhoncho says I should take Heparin/whatever shots if I fly long distance etc. [10:57] i have a ibm emulex iscsi adapter and i'm getting the impresion that hardware iscsi only supported with an IBM network switch... EVIL! [10:57] I've got a blood disorder that means I have to wear socks and take warfrin on long journeys Myrtti [10:57] MooDoo: Leiden? [10:57] wait.. Leiden? [10:57] i would buy these socks for wifey if they shipped them :S [10:57] Myrtti: yup [10:58] Myrtti: factor 5 [10:58] MartijnVdS: ok, that seems to show a connection uptime currently of just over 26mins, so it seems i do have a connection. [10:58] brobostigon: weird! [10:58] MooDoo: likewise [10:58] MooDoo: I got it from both my parents [10:58] MartijnVdS: i agree. [10:58] Myrtti: yup me too :D [10:58] i bought two pares for @therealpopey [10:58] Myrtti: carry a nice little green medical card with me ;) [10:59] ooh nice [10:59] popey: how, in the kickstarter? [10:59] Myrtti: and being 6'6 I usually get upgraded to bigger seats on planes lol :p [11:00] no, I just got a letter from the university hospital, took it to my local surgery and asked for prescription for the shots - she laughed at my face and said this is hogwash, never heard of such a thing [11:00]