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magespawngood morning04:44
nlsthznmorning :)04:47
kbmonkey_morning04:48
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magespawngood morning nlsthzn kbmonkey 04:57
kbmonkeyhello magespawn 04:58
nlsthznhow are we all this morning/05:01
nlsthzn?05:01
nlsthznhi kbmonkey 05:01
kbmonkeywe are doing washing this morning. how are you nlsthzn ?05:02
nlsthznlovely... I should also start doing something... being in my pj's the whole day not the best :p05:03
Kilosmorning nlsthzn and others05:09
nlsthzngood morning uncle Kilos 05:10
kbmonkeymorning Kilos 05:10
kbmonkeyits 7am now05:11
Kilosohi kbmonkey you missed yesterdays good news05:11
kbmonkey7h11 to be exact05:11
Kilosremember the commands and link you gave for the modem?05:11
Kilosdidnt need them everything just worked yesterday morning05:12
kbmonkeyjust like that, by themselves?05:12
kbmonkeygood work there Kilos - a job well done ;P05:13
Kilosyeah i dunno why though, thats frustrating05:13
Kilosand the e220 doesnt timeout anymore either05:15
Kilos:-)05:15
nlsthznbetter keep fiddling until it stops working again then ;p05:16
Kiloshahaha05:16
Kilosno man this is so lekker being able to boot from any of 3 drives without have to do extra work05:16
kbmonkeyhaha nlsthzn ;D05:17
Kiloswhat did i miss?05:18
kbmonkeyI need some strong coffee or narcotics to get through this week. where is that java?!05:19
Kiloslol05:19
magespawnnlsthzn, why not?05:23
nlsthzn?05:24
magespawnmy wife would argue that there is nothing better05:27
Kilosmorning magespawn 05:28
kbmonkeylol magespawn - 05:35
kbmonkeyshe is right05:36
bduk1Goeie more almal05:47
Kilosmore bduk1 mazal 05:47
kbmonkeyit is almost work time folks05:47
Kiloshave a good day kbmonkey 05:48
bduk1kbmonkey: Where do you work? I'm tyred already05:49
Kilostired05:49
mazalMorning everyone05:51
bduk1See how tyred i am Kilos 05:56
Kiloshaha05:56
kbmonkeymorning mazal 05:56
magespawnhi Kilos06:05
Kiloswb magespawn 06:05
Kilosoh my, it seems the net is just getting worse06:25
Kiloshi psychicist 06:25
nlsthznmore people awake = less bandwidth :/06:26
Kilosmorning gerritfromsa 06:28
gerritfromsamore se06:28
Kilosnope nlsthzn i mean everyone join/parting06:28
Kilosmôre ook ja06:28
nlsthznnot seeing to much of that at the moment actually ?06:29
Kilosmage used to be stable06:30
Kilosthird time he is gone this morning06:30
nlsthznah ok... 06:31
Kilosdunno how businesses get things done if irc cant even stay connected06:31
Kilosi could stay on mxit and irc when nothing else connected06:36
nlsthznIRC seems to be pretty robust... but if freenode having issues on a specific server it could also effect only IRC06:37
Kilosok06:38
nlsthznso many variables :)06:38
nlsthzncould even be something on the PC itself... rebooting, power issues, pressing alt+f4 by accident... who knows :p06:39
gerritfromsarock solid on 3G06:39
gerritfromsabut must add Haynes commands to enforce best service on timeslot06:40
Kilosyeah i find 3g is very stable here06:42
Squirmmorning06:43
Kiloshi Squirm 06:44
Squirmgerritfromsa: I'm very slowly putting pieces together for a semi-automated home06:44
Squirmfunds are the only annoying factor, I have higher priorities06:44
Squirmalso want to use one for a car PC06:44
Squirmtouch screen, reverse camera, etc06:45
Squirmbbl06:45
gerritfromsaI got a little 7" from Autostyle that works well06:46
gerritfromsathe screen is 12v powered but not touch - that would be 1st prize06:46
gerritfromsaFor stuff for your house check out x10-sa.co.za06:46
gerritfromsayou can not build anything for less06:47
gerritfromsaand the best thing is - no cabling ! its send signals over existing power06:47
gerritfromsaIf you'd like a Linux command line program to control X10 - I can recommend Heyu06:48
gerritfromsawww.heyu.org06:49
Kiloswb magespawn what you breaking07:00
magespawnuploading a largish file07:00
magespawntrying to get the website on line again07:01
Kilosah07:01
Kilosohi superfly 07:02
magespawnthere is a way to transfer the file from the backup server, but it fails on one file07:02
superflymorning Kilos, magespawn, *07:03
magespawnhey superfly07:03
gerritfromsamagespawn, using http/ftp for the xfer ?07:05
magespawngerritfromsa, not too sure, what ever the default is for cpanel07:07
gerritfromsait might be a apache/php limit - is the file that fails larger than the others?07:08
magespawnwhen i have restored the backup from the server, only one file is not transferred, so i thought to download the backup and try from here instead07:09
gerritfromsayou could just ftp into the webserver 07:10
gerritfromsaor use filezilla07:11
magespawnit is a joomla based website, and after the restore i get an error on the admin page 07:11
gerritfromsawhat does the error say07:11
magespawnJLIB_APPLICATION_ERROR_COMPONENT_NOT_LOADING07:11
gerritfromsathat look like library issues ?07:12
magespawnError loading component: com_login, 107:12
gerritfromsano offense but that why I like old school ... all these content managers is so complex when things go wrong ...07:13
gerritfromsadid you check there support site ?07:14
gerritfromsaisn't there a joomla channel on freenode ?07:14
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:14
Vince-0sheesh! so quick07:14
gerritfromsamagespawn, fyi there is a dedicated joomla channel : #joomla07:17
Kiloshehe gerritfromsa you use xchat hey?07:20
gerritfromsaoh yes07:21
Kilosin konversation ctrl+r underlines. is there something similar for xchat?07:21
gerritfromsacomes by default with KDE - but you should know that using KDE yourself ;)07:22
Kilosim not IT educated so everyday i learn something new07:24
Kilosmainly because i forget what i did yesterday, hehe07:24
gerritfromsause the very basics of xchat myself ...07:24
Kilosi still use unity as well because i dont believe ubuntu headed in the new direction for the fun of it07:25
gerritfromsawhere can one get a list of commands and what they are for?07:25
Kilosthey got plans im sure07:25
Kilosoh i have them somewhere07:25
Kiloswill try find them through the day07:26
Kilosmaybe even on 10.1007:26
gerritfromsause KDE because it much less process intensice than gnome/unity but has a lot more features than something like xfce ...07:26
gerritfromsaKDE is the beautiful middle ground 07:27
magespawngerritfromsa, i can seem to find the actual file name of the one file that does not transfer07:27
Kilosi use kde in 13.1007:27
magespawnso my thought was to try filezilla to upload the back up from here07:28
Kilosbut also unity 12.0407:28
gerritfromsamagespawn, sounds like a pan07:28
gerritfromsamagespawn, sounds like a plan07:28
gerritfromsaplan the dive , and dive the plan as we like to say07:29
Squirmgerritfromsa: the x10 stuff is generally expensive07:32
SquirmI'm slowly writing a web interface with a python back end07:32
Squirmit will be cabled though07:33
gerritfromsaSquirm, compared to what?07:33
Squirmam using cat5 to power stuff07:33
Squirmgerritfromsa: compared to doing it yourself07:33
Squirmbuying the parts and piecing it together07:33
gerritfromsafair enough07:33
Squirmand that website you pasted doesn't seem to work07:34
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s20wCUQMPg07:34
Kilosthere are the xchat commands07:34
Kilosi go take sheep out wbb07:35
gerritfromsawww.x10-sa.co.za ? just tried it now and it works OK07:35
gerritfromsaKilos, sweet07:35
Squirmneeds the www07:36
SquirmR360 for one light07:37
SquirmI can control 1 light for...07:38
Squirmmaybe R1507:38
Squirmwell, Pi obviously costs, but for each piece I do myself it's cheap07:38
Squirmonly issue is that the Pi is limited by the number of GPIO. Looking at the BeagleBone Black - my issue is I'm not very controller savvy, the Pi has a very nice userbase with plenty tuts07:40
gerritfromsathat why you need the arduino to go with ...07:40
Squirmsee, I don't do the lower levels of programming... I like python07:41
Squirmthough I think I'm going to start learning C++07:41
magespawnback again07:42
Squirmmagespawn: I see that, you joined the channel ;)07:42
Squirmand hello07:42
magespawnhey Squirm 07:42
SquirmKilos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wp9MnSTZrY&feature=youtu.be07:42
Squirmoh wait, don't watch it, it's an hour long video07:43
Squirmon Winterton07:43
Squirmit was on Mooiloop last night07:43
Squirmseeing as it was the best town in KZN and the 2nd best in SA07:43
Squirmbreak time07:44
Squirmmeans coffee time07:44
Squirmbbl07:44
gerritfromsaWinterton best town in KZN ? really ?07:44
gerritfromsaSquirm, what is Mooiloop ?07:46
Kilosouch Squirm 07:51
Kilosused to be a very friendly place07:51
Kiloswas there 40 years ago07:51
Kilosall of them were lekker, winterton underburg bulwer and so on07:52
Kiloswb nlsthzn 08:33
SquirmKilos: we're about 1.5 hours from Underburg :P08:34
nlsthznthanks uncle Kilos ... just had the system freeze completely :/ Had to do a reset 08:34
Squirmgerritfromsa: it's an Afrikaans program on SABC 208:35
SquirmI think they do travel stuff08:35
Squirmgo around SA showing towns/places to visit08:35
Kilosoh my nlsthzn that sucks. been there done that08:36
Kilosi watch mooiloop when i member08:36
Kilosgood program08:36
nlsthznand when things like this just happens I get so %$#$%# angry I start reaching for some other installation media :/08:37
Kiloslol like me. but i use same media08:37
Kilosone of these days ill try tinycorelinux again08:38
Kilosas well not in place of08:38
SquirmI've used DSL before08:39
Squirmand Puppylinux(now built on Ubuntu)08:39
Kilosits just learning all the different stuff thats hard. now we playing with office writer08:41
Kilosno time for other stuffs08:41
Kilosif unity goes in the wrong direction to suit my needs ill stick with kde08:45
SquirmI like Mint :)08:45
Kilosstill gnome that hey?08:47
gerritfromsaSquirm, OK have no TV so I missed it08:50
nlsthznmint has mate and cinnamon as the main interfaces08:52
Squirmnlsthzn: I use MATE08:52
Squirm:)08:52
Squirmgerritfromsa: neither do I, that's why I pasted the YouTube vid :)08:52
Squirmthough I only understand 1/4 of what's being said :/08:53
gerritfromsawill check it out thx08:53
Kiloshaving a tv says data use for me hehe08:53
nlsthznI was running LMDE with Cinnamon until a few days ago... was really good actually08:53
SquirmI like MATE08:53
Squirmnice Gnome 2 style08:53
Squirmgerritfromsa: you know Winterton?08:53
Kilosi think peeps didnt give unity enough of a chance to start with08:54
Kilosi also used mate but now i actually like unity on 12.0408:54
SquirmKilos: I've used it once, don't really enjoy it though08:54
Kilosmaybe even a bit more than kde08:55
SquirmI need to download 13.10 still08:55
Squirmand try it08:55
Kilosit takes getting used to Squirm 08:55
nlsthznI love Unity as an interface but it just doens't work the way it should especially when you start hitting it with games (especially using Wine)... then it goes belly up pretty quickly :/08:57
charlgood morning08:58
charlMaaz: coffee on08:58
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:58
Kilosyeah i dont even try wine anymore08:59
Kiloshi charl 08:59
charlhi Kilos 08:59
KilosMaaz, coffee please08:59
MaazKilos: Okay08:59
SquirmMaaz: coffee please09:00
MaazSquirm: Sure09:00
SquirmMaaz: larger09:00
Maazinna bucket for you Squirm09:00
charllol09:00
charla bucket of coffee i will die09:00
MaazCoffee's ready for charl, Kilos and Squirm!09:02
Squirmwoop09:09
KilosMaaz, danke09:15
MaazBitteschön09:15
gerritfromsawireshark wil solve your problem - it somehow always does ...09:31
gerritfromsaSorry wrong window ...09:31
Kiloslol09:32
Kilosnp09:32
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 10:09
Kiloswbb gonna do some hardware fiddling10:15
gerritfromsawhere can i publish a file?10:17
nlsthznonline?10:20
nlsthznwhat type of file?10:20
gerritfromsaa pcap trace file10:24
Squirmgerritfromsa: where abouts are you from?10:25
gerritfromsakzn north coast10:26
nlsthznwell I use dropbox to upload files to share and there are other services similar...10:29
nlsthzn>.>10:30
Squirmgerritfromsa: how north is north?10:34
gerritfromsanorth of umhlanga but south of balito10:34
Squirmthe only place I know that way is Umdloti10:35
Squirmand Crawford10:35
gerritfromsahowever my offices is in midrand 10:36
gerritfromsawork from home most of the time 10:36
nlsthzngerritfromsa,  well I use dropbox to upload files to share and there are other services similar...10:36
nlsthznbut if it is just to share the text with someone you could use pastebin etc10:37
gerritfromsaI use pastebin but I saw i someone using something else for files10:37
nlsthznhttp://slexy.org/10:43
gerritfromsaslexy looks like text only ..10:44
nlsthznyup10:44
gerritfromsaneed public place to upload files10:45
nlsthznyou could use ubuntu 1?10:45
gerritfromsamaybe google docs then ...10:45
nlsthznproblem for me with many of the services to host files are that they always try to get you the uploader to pay somehow or cripple it for the downloaders and they need to pay.10:46
nlsthzndidn't know google docs did files, perhaps google drive/10:46
nlsthzn?10:46
nlsthzncould use the latest bad boy on the block - https://mega.co.nz/10:47
gerritfromsalet me try ...10:47
nlsthznhmmm... 50gb free space10:48
nlsthznlast time I checked this the site had just launched and was crashing the whole time...10:48
gerritfromsahad owncloud running ... then I lost my free hosting space , got new space now so will get it up and running soon10:49
gerritfromsaHTML5 is amazing ...10:51
nlsthzn+110:51
gerritfromsalike the Universal Declaration of Human Rights at mega.co.nz ....10:52
Trixar_zaIt's great, but not all browsers support it equally10:56
gerritfromsasuch as IE?10:58
nlsthzn:p10:59
Trixar_zaPretty much all of them, but earlier IE versions are the worst offenders11:03
charlgerritfromsa: dropbox?12:08
charlthat's more or less the default option12:08
charlyou don't get much space though12:08
charlif you have an open source project and you have large downloads, definitely try sourceforge12:08
charli used to run a project that had pre-made ova's for many popular distros12:09
charlinstalled with drivers and everything12:09
charli had like 10gb or 20gb up on there12:09
charlno problem, although the mirror synchonisation could be a little slow12:09
charlcould take a number of days to get mirrored properly12:09
charlbtw considering the legal issues megaupload had i would not use mega for anything serious12:11
charlfor all that you know, the us government could come and take all their servers down (again)12:11
gerritfromsakiwis wont allow the US to do that12:18
nlsthznwe hope...12:18
charlexcuse me what?12:18
nlsthznlol12:19
charlkiwiland is america's little b*tch12:19
gerritfromsaafter what happened to Rainbow Warrior they keep foreign powers at a distance12:19
charlright...12:19
gerritfromsaaustralia on the other hand ....12:19
charlisland countries...12:20
charlwe have the UK here next to us so i am skeptical12:20
charli discovered a really irritating issue12:23
charli have an edge-lit 27" lcd tft at home that i connect to my laptop via vga12:23
charlmostly to watch films etc12:23
charlwhen i connect the screen i have to first enable it with: xrandr --auto --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of LVDS112:24
charlLVDS1 is my built-in laptop screen12:24
charlsometimes brb12:26
gerritfromsaput it in your startup ...12:28
Squirmmwhahahaha12:36
SquirmI found you12:36
Squirmhttps://facebook.com/profile.php?=733223612:36
nlsthznyup, looks about right12:44
nlsthznand it isn't creepy at all...12:47
nlsthzn>.>12:47
nlsthzn:p12:47
charlsorry i got interrupted12:47
mazalCheers everyone. Lekker evening12:47
charlgerritfromsa: no i can't do that because the external screen is usually not connected12:47
charli just run it as a shell script12:48
charlanycase, when i execute the xrandr i immediately get a new problem, my mouse pointer becomes much more sensitive and moves much faster12:48
charldoes anyone know how to stop that ?12:48
charlthe only thing i managed to come up with is calling xset -q ahead of time and then resetting the values with xset m 2 4 for example12:50
charlthere might be a better solution though12:50
Squirmcharl: http://xkcd.com/963/12:52
charlwhahaha12:53
charlvery good Squirm 12:53
SquirmI found it fitting12:54
charlwhat kind of lame joke is this above facebook12:54
charlyou just open your own profile right? or not12:54
charlsorry i don't use it12:55
charlthere's something wrong in the querystring, the parameter has no name12:55
Kiloshi gwoodford 12:59
gerritfromsacharl, you can set the script to only set if the screen is present13:02
gerritfromsacharl, dont unbuntu come with display setup as aprt of system settings?13:02
gerritfromsaraining again !13:03
Trixar_zacharl: I just use box.com13:03
ThatGraemeGuybox.com has a linux client now? :-o13:04
ThatGraemeGuyi have 50GB there13:04
Trixar_zaI just upload through the website - no clue if they have a linux client yet :P13:04
Kilosinetpro, jy kan miskien nat is later. kom donker goed van die weste13:04
ThatGraemeGuyboooo!13:04
Kiloshi Trixar_za 13:05
Trixar_zaHey, it's 10GB free hosting :P13:06
Trixar_zaAnd it takes some of the load off of your site13:06
ThatGraemeGuymine's 50, that's why I'm keen to use it13:06
ThatGraemeGuyi see they support webdav: http://xmodulo.com/2013/02/how-to-mount-box-com-cloud-storage-on-linux.html13:07
gerritfromsaTrixar_za, just what I was looking for! shot13:07
gerritfromsawebdav +113:12
Kilosthunder and lightening. power might go13:20
ThatGraemeGuythunderbolts and lightning very very frightening me!13:29
charlgerritfromsa: no, i want to run the script AFTER i connected my screen13:31
charlbecause i will not reboot my machine just after i connected the screen13:31
charla) connect screen b) run script, simple13:32
charland yes, ubuntu does come with a tool (gnome display settings, or some modified version of it, whatever the app is called) but i run i3wm so i do it manually13:33
gerritfromsai3wm ?13:33
charlin either case, i still have the same problem though13:33
Kiloslol @ ThatGraemeGuy 13:46
charli like the idea of having a raspberry pi with a fat 1-2tb external hd at that raspberry colocation facility13:48
Squirmlol13:48
Squirmlinode works too13:48
charlrun http/ftp for read-only public access and use ssh/scp/sftp/sshfs to push data onto it13:49
charllinode is expensive though13:49
Squirmhow my is the Pi colocation?13:49
charlfor 768 GB you pay $320 / month !13:50
charlthat's really expensive13:50
Kilosouch13:50
charlhttp://raspberrycolocation.com/13:50
charlit isn't going to work though, they only allow "Optional: a compact USB stick for additional storage (max. 4 cm)"13:51
charlthat sucks, then you can get max 32 gb ?13:51
charloh whow you can get a 1tb now http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business#DTHXP3013:54
ThatGraemeGuyyou could, or you could buy a new car :-p13:54
charlabsolutely incredible https://www.centralpoint.nl/?page=cart&vendor=Kingston+Technology&quant1=1&prodid=DTHXP30/1TB13:55
charltotal cost including vat 1.406,02 euro13:55
charlnot entirely a car but hilariously expensive13:55
ThatGraemeGuyfun fact, i bought a 10-year-old citigolf for 12,00013:56
ThatGraemeGuyso yeah, as much as a car13:56
ThatGraemeGuymaybe not the average car purchase, but... ;-)13:56
charlwell uh, a 10 year old car... yeah ok right13:57
ThatGraemeGuyhehe13:57
charlyou can buy a 256gb for €169,8013:58
charlthat's doable13:58
charlnot exactly cheap, but doable13:59
charlit's in any case gonna cost a heck of a lot less than buying a vps from linode14:01
charllooking at sd cards now - 128gb for 78,70 euro14:01
charli would probably go for that although i don't know how good/reliable these high density cards are14:02
charlgeorgl_: do you also have the problem that a lot of stuff you download via nzb is corrupted? or somehow incomplete?14:04
Kiloshmm... the internet peeps are so painful at times14:09
Kiloshttp://www.wippy.com/za14:10
Kiloswent there from fb i think because of a promo free usb stick offer14:10
Kilosnow get a mail14:10
KilosYou have just received a R 1000!14:11
KilosYou only have to pay shipping fee of R 24.0014:11
Kiloswhere have i received that R100014:11
Kilosis it virtualo money14:11
Kilosvirtual14:11
nlsthznsounds fishy14:14
Kilosyeah and you cant even eat the fish14:15
Kilosvirtual fish14:15
Kilosthey like a bod or buy thing looks like14:15
Kilosbid or buy14:15
nlsthznwell if the site is legit...14:16
Kilosall i wanted was the free stick offer on facebook14:17
Kilosgrrr14:17
Kilosthen you got to the link and cant even find that stick and gotta join and all that internet stuffs14:19
Kiloshaha always read the fine print14:30
Kilos After the trial expires, normal monthly charges of $ 49.00 will apply.14:30
georgl_hi charl14:37
georgl_not really14:37
georgl_i have the odd one that is corrupted or imcomplete14:38
georgl_i would say about 1 in 40 or so14:38
Kiloshey guys can you just look at http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/91097-mobile-data-prices-compared.html16:09
Kilosand tell me where i find the telkom mobile prepaid 3g for R119 or am i reading something wrong16:09
Kilosnear the top it shows anytime data, but i only find the 2+1 when buying16:10
Kilos3g anytime is much better than 2+1 and 30 bucks less16:11
Kiloshi Private_User 16:20
Private_Useryo 'sup Kilos 16:21
Kilosjust another day and with you?16:21
Private_Useryep same here, different day16:22
Kiloslol16:23
Kilosoh Private_User you understand the net look here for me please16:28
Kiloshttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/91097-mobile-data-prices-compared.html16:28
Kilosnear the top is prepaid section and where it shows 3g data for R119 on telkom is that right , i see anytime data16:29
Kilosbut im paying R149 for 2g + 1g night surfer16:29
Kiloswhere am i getting lost16:30
kbmonkey_hello Kilos 17:07
Kiloshiya kbmonkey_ 17:07
kbmonkey_bye QA17:11
Kilosim trying to get her to cloak 17:11
kbmonkey_looks like it worked17:12
Kilosworked fine when installed here but on the host dont cloak even with the same config17:12
kbmonkey_host?17:12
Kilosi read she cant cloak where there is another legal bot there17:12
Kilosya she hosted i dunno where17:13
kbmonkey_whose host are you running bots on Kilos ?17:13
Kilosby squirm and Trixar_za 17:13
kbmonkey_oh, okay :]17:13
Kilosits just the cloak thing that dont work otherwise she running kiff there17:14
Kiloswow twitter is worth big bucks17:16
Kilosi think they just said 140 billion17:16
Kilosrand equivalent17:16
kbmonkey_too much to think of, lol17:23
Kiloslol and advertising is really funny at times17:24
Kilosthey now selling the freshest lettuce ever17:24
Kiloswith the roots still attached haha17:24
Kilosso fresh its still growing17:25
kbmonkey_where do you hear that? lol. 17:25
Kilosadd on tv17:25
Kiloshahaha17:25
kbmonkey_isn't that how it supposed to be17:25
Kilosthey lie man17:26
kbmonkey_hey isn't lettuce like celery, you chop off the top and it grows more17:26
Kilosthe dig them up , wash the roots clean then let it dry and put in plastic packet17:26
kbmonkey_or asparagus. it just keeps growing17:26
Kilosthen transport country wide17:26
Kilosno lettuce makes one head17:27
kbmonkey_ooh yeah lol. I was thinking of micro salads. i pick those leaving the roots17:27
kbmonkey_I should go heat up that tea17:28
Kiloswhats microsalads17:28
kbmonkey_small leaves, not a head17:29
Kilosah17:29
kbmonkey_but they grow quick17:29
kbmonkey_so you pick, and it keeps going17:29
Kilosok17:29
kbmonkey_Maaz, google microsalad17:30
Maazkbmonkey_: "Micro Salad: Organic America" http://microsalad.com/ :: "micro salad - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pzrna7hSE4 :: "Food = Health: Fall microsalads" http://veganbarbie.blogspot.com/2010/11/fall-microsalads.html :: "Vanishing Cone, Micro Salad, Olive Oil Caviar | Molecular Recipes" http://www.molecularrecipes.com/surprises/vanishing-cone-17:30
Maazmicro-salad-olive-oil-caviar/ :: "Micro Salad | Sow Gourmet" http://www.sowgourmet.co.uk/produ…17:30
kbmonkey_nope, that is wrong17:31
kbmonkey_I think it is called microgreens17:32
Kiloshahaha old memory17:33
kbmonkey_long day17:33
Kiloswe gave ian lettuce when he was tiny and just learned to talk17:33
Kiloshe said ian dont eat fowlers17:33
kbmonkey_lol17:34
kbmonkey_Maaz, coffee on17:36
* Maaz puts the kettle on17:36
Kilosgood idea17:37
KilosMaaz, coffee please17:37
MaazKilos: Done17:37
=== kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey
kbmonkeyyesh!17:38
Kiloswhat happened17:39
Kilosoh didnt see the tail17:39
kbmonkeylet's see if Maaz sees it's gone17:40
Private_Useryo Kilos, just looked at your link, it seems these are pre-paid month to mponth17:40
MaazCoffee's ready for kbmonkey_ and Kilos!17:40
Private_User*month17:40
KilosMaaz, ty17:41
MaazYou are welcome Kilos17:41
Kilosty Private_User i think my broadband has it wrong. its a 2+1 not a 3g anytime17:42
Private_UserKilos, you are on the Telkom mobile correct?17:43
Kilosyeah17:43
Private_Usercause I see you package is also listed on that list17:44
Kilosthe 2+1?17:44
Private_UserKilos, have you had a look at this http://www.cellc.co.za/giganite17:44
Kilosi would prefer 3g anytime17:45
Private_UserI have the 200 giga package17:45
Kiloshate late nights17:45
Private_Userit works out to 4GB Peak 12.5GB Nite Surfer for around 150 a month17:46
Kilosbiggest prob is cellc uses the voda tower here and its forever broken17:46
Private_Userdifference is your pay once off R1799 and you get 50GB peak and 150GB nite surfer vsalid for 365 days17:47
Private_Userso if you can manage your usage then its good comparitively to everything else they offer17:48
Kiloslol i have to save for many months to get that much money17:48
Private_UserLOL17:48
Kiloshehe im serious17:48
Private_Useryeah I understand that, I previously had the 2GB a month for 24 months with once off payment of around R130017:48
Kilosi get 500 bucks a month for looking after sheep and fowls and cooking17:49
Kiloscant go for any contracts either17:49
Private_Userproblem with that package was 2GB was not enough for me a month17:49
Kilosbut it is cheaper your way17:49
Kilosim getting there too17:49
Private_Usersome month I klaar it in a week other months I managed to let it last but I never could get my work done17:50
Kilosused to go 2 months with the 2+1, now im battling17:50
Private_Useralwasy had to drag it along17:50
Kiloshehe17:50
Trixar_zaSomething always eats up your data17:51
Trixar_zaDownloading is addictive17:51
Kilosyeah tell me about it17:51
Private_Usernow I can get my work done and not worry too much although still monitoring my usage. so far I have managed to keep on track17:51
Kilosmine is normally with clean installs and the upgrading17:51
Private_Usersince I got this package I have downloaded the ubuntu and installed it plus done the updates and also downloaded many other software I needed17:51
Kilosi dont download much other stuff17:52
Private_Usernow I have no more well for now no more downloading to do17:52
Kiloshave you got ubuntu doing everything you want yet?17:52
Trixar_zaAlso for R1800 we can get 60GB+60GB Nite Surfer data17:52
Private_Userbut you are right Trixar_za, downloading can become addictive17:52
Trixar_zaFor 365 days17:52
Private_Useryeah I have seen that as well Trixar_za, it was good issue is not much coverage where I amk located17:53
Private_User*am17:53
Trixar_zaI don't like CellC though - they KNOW you can't use 150GB between 12am and 4am because they throttle the usage around then17:53
Private_Useralso Telkom do not wanna install lines where I live, too much cable theft17:53
Kilossame here17:54
Trixar_zaMy sister has been shopping around too and she ended up deciding to go with Telkom Mobile too17:54
Private_Usernot sure about the throttle Trixar_za, cause I managed to download 4 different versions of Ubuntu in less than an hour17:54
Trixar_zaMostly for the 2GB+1GB thing17:54
Trixar_zaIt's lasts her more than a month. I'm still trying to teach her how to use torrents17:55
Trixar_za:P17:55
Private_Useryezah the 60GB+60GB Nite Surfer sounds excellent17:55
Private_User*yeah17:55
Private_UserI also am avoiding contracts so from pre-paid point of views these 2 I found was worth it17:56
Kilosyo Snowy2 17:56
Trixar_zaI need a faster device. Telkom Mobile can go up to 7.2MBits/s using a standard 3G modem17:56
Trixar_zaMine is limited to 3.6Mbits/s17:57
Trixar_za:(17:57
Private_Userso how long do you guys think before our broadband access and prices meet the international "norms"17:57
Private_UserI long for that day *sigh*17:57
Trixar_zaNext 2 years to never. Although I still think it leans towards never.17:58
Kilosdont we all17:58
Trixar_zaAs long as they can charge you for it, they will17:58
Private_UserLOL17:58
kbmonkeyI have all but given up on watching videos online because of it. 17:58
kbmonkeyI'll take a stable connection over speed most days XD18:00
Private_Useryeah but its so tempting to download but one has to think of getting the data to last18:00
Kiloslol18:00
Trixar_zaThat's why I'm lucky18:01
Private_Userso far with my CellC 3g I cn only get a good signal in one spot so I am alsways stuck at this desk even if I move around in the same room the signal drops18:01
Trixar_zaGot to love friendly unencrypted WLAN connections18:01
Trixar_zaOnly works on my phone, but saves me a few small downloads and whatsapp usage18:02
Private_Useryou know the other day kbmonkey and I were chatting about a way we can create a opportunity for some sort of FreeOpenSourceSoftware equivalent for broadband access18:03
Symmetriaomfg juniper has some hot women working for them18:04
Private_Userhe had a good idea18:04
SymmetriaI'd route any of them18:04
Trixar_zaSymmetria: pics or it didn't happen. Tell them to pose.18:05
Private_Userlol18:05
kbmonkeywe talked about wireless user groups iirc Private_User :)18:06
Private_Useryep thats correct, but I was still wondering how we would get onto the backbone without somebody coughing up a substatianal amout of dough18:07
kbmonkeyyep, that is but a dream. but you can still share local content with each other, and wug's can connect another expanding their reach18:08
Private_Userbut I am thinking if every person in the world shares there private network then maybe their will be no need for a backbone ...mmmm18:10
Private_Userbut then again thats what the internet is in lamen terms butI guess  people just decided that they will use it to make some money as well18:11
kbmonkeypretty much. originating at a university it grabbed the attention of the government and capitalists alike18:37
kbmonkeyI got mixxx built the other day, I am playing some songs with it now. It is really a good piece of software.18:39
Trixar_zaActually. ARPANET started off as an American Department of Defence experiment18:47
Trixar_zaThey then shared it with universities and it grew. That's when companies started taking notice...18:48
Trixar_zaand yeah, everything went to shit18:48
Trixar_za:P18:48
kbmonkeythat is interesting...18:49
psychicisthi Trixar_za 18:49
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:49
psychicisthi kbmonkey 18:49
kbmonkeygn Kilos 18:49
Trixar_zaNight Kilos18:49
psychicistnight Kilos 18:49
Trixar_zaHey psychicist18:49
Private_Useroh yes its that time again18:49
kbmonkeyhi Trixar_za and psychicist 18:49
Private_Usergnite Kil18:49
Trixar_zaHey kbmonkey18:49
kbmonkeyI go make a cup of tea now 8)18:51
Trixar_zaI wonder18:58
Trixar_zais there still that website that reads all the lines of the Linux Kernel and plays it on an streaming audio radio station?18:59
kbmonkeythat sounds crazy, hehe19:07
kbmonkeyfinally! repos are done updating. that took long enough :p19:08
kbmonkeyhello magespawn 19:08
magespawngood evening kbmonkey 19:09
magespawnnice and chilly19:09
kbmonkeyit is wet here but not so much cold, not like last week19:11
magespawnno not really cold, just cooler than the last couple of days19:12
kbmonkeybusy rsyncing apt archives to the laptop for updates19:12
magespawnhow big are the archives?19:12
kbmonkeyyes, it is nice cool like this. summer is  going to be viscious19:12
magespawnmaybe not too bad, last summer there were nice breaks in the heat19:13
kbmonkeyonly 2.4G and rsync will hopefully only copy unchanged files19:14
magespawnare you using your mifi?19:15
kbmonkeyyes, I can ssh between pc's with it19:16
magespawnhah now that is just showing off19:16
kbmonkeynot sure why host names dont work, but IP addresses do19:17
kbmonkeyand its faster than usb - been having slow usb copies lately. 19:18
kbmonkeygadgets are getting old19:18
magespawndns maybe19:18
magespawnno ip to host name translation?19:20
Trixar_zahttp://www.linux.fm/19:21
Trixar_zalol, it's still there19:21
kbmonkeyi could add an entry in /etc/hosts for them but dynamic hostnames is preferred19:21
magespawnhey Trixar_za 19:21
Trixar_zaHey magespawn19:22
magespawnis there no way to wild card the hostname if the ip stays the same19:22
magespawn?19:22
kbmonkeybut I am afraid I have no experience setting up a dns19:22
kbmonkeyif I disable DHCP on the mifi, would I configure static IP's for the machines then?19:23
magespawnyou could assign the ip via mac and the host name from there19:23
magespawnyes the machine would need static ip, that would also mean any one else wanting to join would need a statis ip19:24
kbmonkeyand also the phone needs to connect. 19:25
magespawnif you assign a static ip via dhcp to the mac address, every time that machine comes on it gets the same ip19:25
magespawnthat way you could edit your /etc/hosts and use ip address to host name19:26
kbmonkeyokay I understand. This little fellow does not allow that level of configurability.19:27
magespawnahh well19:27
kbmonkeyIt only has DHCP on/off, IP assign range and lease time 19:28
kbmonkeynothing major. I can just export the IP to a variable if I feel lazy ;)19:29
magespawnhave you used vi or vim kbmonkey 19:36
magespawn?19:36
kbmonkeyyes, I use vi and geany 50/5019:38
kbmonkeydo you use it magespawn ?19:38
magespawnnever tried geany 50/50, but i was using vi on the asterisk then tried vim which i now prefer19:39
kbmonkeyI meant I use both 50% of the time 19:40
magespawnright lol19:40
kbmonkeygeany is like gedit, a gtk editor19:40
kbmonkeyyes I also use vim, it just happens to be aliased as vi here19:40
magespawnthat could be a bit mis leading19:41
kbmonkeylol, yes it is19:43
kbmonkeygreat, that cut my updates down from 100MB to 16MB19:44
kbmonkeycorrection: down to 170kB. I don't need google talk plugin. 19:46
magespawnnice19:47
magespawnkbmonkey do you use it for programming in a specific language, like python/20:19
magespawn?20:20
kbmonkeymostly for editing configuration script or bash shell scripts magespawn 20:20
kbmonkeyI tried use it for Python, and with some python specific extensions, but I am faster in geany for those20:21
magespawni see, i was wondering how you would save a file with a specific extension?20:21
kbmonkeymostly for working on projects with 10+ files at the same time20:21
magespawnbut i suppose you would do that when create the file20:21
kbmonkey:w newfilename.ext20:22
kbmonkeythat should do it20:22
kbmonkeythat makes a copy though20:22
magespawnor  just 'vim filename.ext' but that will only work if the file does not exist already20:23
kbmonkeyyes, else it opens the existing file. I like the mv command to rename files20:25
magespawnhow is move and rename the same thing?20:27
magespawni have some much to learn, i want to be a master20:28
magespawnit is amazing how much there is to things when you really start looking20:29
magespawns/some/so20:31
kbmonkeymove and rename is the same thing20:32
kbmonkeyI think rename is just a wrapper that allows you to move multiple files using a pattern20:32
magespawnyou see now i would use mv  to actually move the file from a to b, and rename to change the name in place20:32
kbmonkeyyou can mv it to the same place with a new filename ;)20:33
magespawnany who, i am off to bed, good night all20:33
kbmonkeymyself, sleep well!20:34

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