[04:44] <magespawn> good morning
[04:47] <nlsthzn> morning :)
[04:48] <kbmonkey_> morning
[04:57] <magespawn> good morning nlsthzn kbmonkey 
[04:58] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn 
[05:01] <nlsthzn> how are we all this morning/
[05:01] <nlsthzn> ?
[05:01] <nlsthzn> hi kbmonkey 
[05:02] <kbmonkey> we are doing washing this morning. how are you nlsthzn ?
[05:03] <nlsthzn> lovely... I should also start doing something... being in my pj's the whole day not the best :p
[05:09] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn and others
[05:10] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos 
[05:10] <kbmonkey> morning Kilos 
[05:11] <kbmonkey> its 7am now
[05:11] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey you missed yesterdays good news
[05:11] <kbmonkey> 7h11 to be exact
[05:11] <Kilos> remember the commands and link you gave for the modem?
[05:12] <Kilos> didnt need them everything just worked yesterday morning
[05:12] <kbmonkey> just like that, by themselves?
[05:13] <kbmonkey> good work there Kilos - a job well done ;P
[05:13] <Kilos> yeah i dunno why though, thats frustrating
[05:15] <Kilos> and the e220 doesnt timeout anymore either
[05:15] <Kilos> :-)
[05:16] <nlsthzn> better keep fiddling until it stops working again then ;p
[05:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:16] <Kilos> no man this is so lekker being able to boot from any of 3 drives without have to do extra work
[05:17] <kbmonkey> haha nlsthzn ;D
[05:18] <Kilos> what did i miss?
[05:19] <kbmonkey> I need some strong coffee or narcotics to get through this week. where is that java?!
[05:19] <Kilos> lol
[05:23] <magespawn> nlsthzn, why not?
[05:24] <nlsthzn> ?
[05:27] <magespawn> my wife would argue that there is nothing better
[05:28] <Kilos> morning magespawn 
[05:35] <kbmonkey> lol magespawn - 
[05:36] <kbmonkey> she is right
[05:47] <bduk1> Goeie more almal
[05:47] <Kilos> more bduk1 mazal 
[05:47] <kbmonkey> it is almost work time folks
[05:48] <Kilos> have a good day kbmonkey 
[05:49] <bduk1> kbmonkey: Where do you work? I'm tyred already
[05:49] <Kilos> tired
[05:51] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:56] <bduk1> See how tyred i am Kilos 
[05:56] <Kilos> haha
[05:56] <kbmonkey> morning mazal 
[06:05] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[06:05] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[06:25] <Kilos> oh my, it seems the net is just getting worse
[06:25] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[06:26] <nlsthzn> more people awake = less bandwidth :/
[06:28] <Kilos> morning gerritfromsa 
[06:28] <gerritfromsa> more se
[06:28] <Kilos> nope nlsthzn i mean everyone join/parting
[06:28] <Kilos> môre ook ja
[06:29] <nlsthzn> not seeing to much of that at the moment actually ?
[06:30] <Kilos> mage used to be stable
[06:30] <Kilos> third time he is gone this morning
[06:31] <nlsthzn> ah ok... 
[06:31] <Kilos> dunno how businesses get things done if irc cant even stay connected
[06:36] <Kilos> i could stay on mxit and irc when nothing else connected
[06:37] <nlsthzn> IRC seems to be pretty robust... but if freenode having issues on a specific server it could also effect only IRC
[06:38] <Kilos> ok
[06:38] <nlsthzn> so many variables :)
[06:39] <nlsthzn> could even be something on the PC itself... rebooting, power issues, pressing alt+f4 by accident... who knows :p
[06:39] <gerritfromsa> rock solid on 3G
[06:40] <gerritfromsa> but must add Haynes commands to enforce best service on timeslot
[06:42] <Kilos> yeah i find 3g is very stable here
[06:43] <Squirm> morning
[06:44] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:44] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: I'm very slowly putting pieces together for a semi-automated home
[06:44] <Squirm> funds are the only annoying factor, I have higher priorities
[06:44] <Squirm> also want to use one for a car PC
[06:45] <Squirm> touch screen, reverse camera, etc
[06:45] <Squirm> bbl
[06:46] <gerritfromsa> I got a little 7" from Autostyle that works well
[06:46] <gerritfromsa> the screen is 12v powered but not touch - that would be 1st prize
[06:46] <gerritfromsa> For stuff for your house check out x10-sa.co.za
[06:47] <gerritfromsa> you can not build anything for less
[06:47] <gerritfromsa> and the best thing is - no cabling ! its send signals over existing power
[06:48] <gerritfromsa> If you'd like a Linux command line program to control X10 - I can recommend Heyu
[06:49] <gerritfromsa> www.heyu.org
[07:00] <Kilos> wb magespawn what you breaking
[07:00] <magespawn> uploading a largish file
[07:01] <magespawn> trying to get the website on line again
[07:01] <Kilos> ah
[07:02] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[07:02] <magespawn> there is a way to transfer the file from the backup server, but it fails on one file
[07:03] <superfly> morning Kilos, magespawn, *
[07:03] <magespawn> hey superfly
[07:05] <gerritfromsa> magespawn, using http/ftp for the xfer ?
[07:07] <magespawn> gerritfromsa, not too sure, what ever the default is for cpanel
[07:08] <gerritfromsa> it might be a apache/php limit - is the file that fails larger than the others?
[07:09] <magespawn> when i have restored the backup from the server, only one file is not transferred, so i thought to download the backup and try from here instead
[07:10] <gerritfromsa> you could just ftp into the webserver 
[07:11] <gerritfromsa> or use filezilla
[07:11] <magespawn> it is a joomla based website, and after the restore i get an error on the admin page 
[07:11] <gerritfromsa> what does the error say
[07:11] <magespawn> JLIB_APPLICATION_ERROR_COMPONENT_NOT_LOADING
[07:12] <gerritfromsa> that look like library issues ?
[07:12] <magespawn> Error loading component: com_login, 1
[07:13] <gerritfromsa> no offense but that why I like old school ... all these content managers is so complex when things go wrong ...
[07:14] <gerritfromsa> did you check there support site ?
[07:14] <gerritfromsa> isn't there a joomla channel on freenode ?
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:14] <Vince-0> sheesh! so quick
[07:17] <gerritfromsa> magespawn, fyi there is a dedicated joomla channel : #joomla
[07:20] <Kilos> hehe gerritfromsa you use xchat hey?
[07:21] <gerritfromsa> oh yes
[07:21] <Kilos> in konversation ctrl+r underlines. is there something similar for xchat?
[07:22] <gerritfromsa> comes by default with KDE - but you should know that using KDE yourself ;)
[07:24] <Kilos> im not IT educated so everyday i learn something new
[07:24] <Kilos> mainly because i forget what i did yesterday, hehe
[07:24] <gerritfromsa> use the very basics of xchat myself ...
[07:25] <Kilos> i still use unity as well because i dont believe ubuntu headed in the new direction for the fun of it
[07:25] <gerritfromsa> where can one get a list of commands and what they are for?
[07:25] <Kilos> they got plans im sure
[07:25] <Kilos> oh i have them somewhere
[07:26] <Kilos> will try find them through the day
[07:26] <Kilos> maybe even on 10.10
[07:26] <gerritfromsa> use KDE because it much less process intensice than gnome/unity but has a lot more features than something like xfce ...
[07:27] <gerritfromsa> KDE is the beautiful middle ground 
[07:27] <magespawn> gerritfromsa, i can seem to find the actual file name of the one file that does not transfer
[07:27] <Kilos> i use kde in 13.10
[07:28] <magespawn> so my thought was to try filezilla to upload the back up from here
[07:28] <Kilos> but also unity 12.04
[07:28] <gerritfromsa> magespawn, sounds like a pan
[07:28] <gerritfromsa> magespawn, sounds like a plan
[07:29] <gerritfromsa> plan the dive , and dive the plan as we like to say
[07:32] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: the x10 stuff is generally expensive
[07:32] <Squirm> I'm slowly writing a web interface with a python back end
[07:33] <Squirm> it will be cabled though
[07:33] <gerritfromsa> Squirm, compared to what?
[07:33] <Squirm> am using cat5 to power stuff
[07:33] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: compared to doing it yourself
[07:33] <Squirm> buying the parts and piecing it together
[07:33] <gerritfromsa> fair enough
[07:34] <Squirm> and that website you pasted doesn't seem to work
[07:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20wCUQMPg
[07:34] <Kilos> there are the xchat commands
[07:35] <Kilos> i go take sheep out wbb
[07:35] <gerritfromsa> www.x10-sa.co.za ? just tried it now and it works OK
[07:35] <gerritfromsa> Kilos, sweet
[07:36] <Squirm> needs the www
[07:37] <Squirm> R360 for one light
[07:38] <Squirm> I can control 1 light for...
[07:38] <Squirm> maybe R15
[07:38] <Squirm> well, Pi obviously costs, but for each piece I do myself it's cheap
[07:40] <Squirm> only issue is that the Pi is limited by the number of GPIO. Looking at the BeagleBone Black - my issue is I'm not very controller savvy, the Pi has a very nice userbase with plenty tuts
[07:40] <gerritfromsa> that why you need the arduino to go with ...
[07:41] <Squirm> see, I don't do the lower levels of programming... I like python
[07:41] <Squirm> though I think I'm going to start learning C++
[07:42] <magespawn> back again
[07:42] <Squirm> magespawn: I see that, you joined the channel ;)
[07:42] <Squirm> and hello
[07:42] <magespawn> hey Squirm 
[07:42] <Squirm> Kilos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wp9MnSTZrY&feature=youtu.be
[07:43] <Squirm> oh wait, don't watch it, it's an hour long video
[07:43] <Squirm> on Winterton
[07:43] <Squirm> it was on Mooiloop last night
[07:43] <Squirm> seeing as it was the best town in KZN and the 2nd best in SA
[07:44] <Squirm> break time
[07:44] <Squirm> means coffee time
[07:44] <Squirm> bbl
[07:44] <gerritfromsa> Winterton best town in KZN ? really ?
[07:46] <gerritfromsa> Squirm, what is Mooiloop ?
[07:51] <Kilos> ouch Squirm 
[07:51] <Kilos> used to be a very friendly place
[07:51] <Kilos> was there 40 years ago
[07:52] <Kilos> all of them were lekker, winterton underburg bulwer and so on
[08:33] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[08:34] <Squirm> Kilos: we're about 1.5 hours from Underburg :P
[08:34] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ... just had the system freeze completely :/ Had to do a reset 
[08:35] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: it's an Afrikaans program on SABC 2
[08:35] <Squirm> I think they do travel stuff
[08:35] <Squirm> go around SA showing towns/places to visit
[08:36] <Kilos> oh my nlsthzn that sucks. been there done that
[08:36] <Kilos> i watch mooiloop when i member
[08:36] <Kilos> good program
[08:37] <nlsthzn> and when things like this just happens I get so %$#$%# angry I start reaching for some other installation media :/
[08:37] <Kilos> lol like me. but i use same media
[08:38] <Kilos> one of these days ill try tinycorelinux again
[08:38] <Kilos> as well not in place of
[08:39] <Squirm> I've used DSL before
[08:39] <Squirm> and Puppylinux(now built on Ubuntu)
[08:41] <Kilos> its just learning all the different stuff thats hard. now we playing with office writer
[08:41] <Kilos> no time for other stuffs
[08:45] <Kilos> if unity goes in the wrong direction to suit my needs ill stick with kde
[08:45] <Squirm> I like Mint :)
[08:47] <Kilos> still gnome that hey?
[08:50] <gerritfromsa> Squirm, OK have no TV so I missed it
[08:52] <nlsthzn> mint has mate and cinnamon as the main interfaces
[08:52] <Squirm> nlsthzn: I use MATE
[08:52] <Squirm> :)
[08:52] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: neither do I, that's why I pasted the YouTube vid :)
[08:53] <Squirm> though I only understand 1/4 of what's being said :/
[08:53] <gerritfromsa> will check it out thx
[08:53] <Kilos> having a tv says data use for me hehe
[08:53] <nlsthzn> I was running LMDE with Cinnamon until a few days ago... was really good actually
[08:53] <Squirm> I like MATE
[08:53] <Squirm> nice Gnome 2 style
[08:53] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: you know Winterton?
[08:54] <Kilos> i think peeps didnt give unity enough of a chance to start with
[08:54] <Kilos> i also used mate but now i actually like unity on 12.04
[08:54] <Squirm> Kilos: I've used it once, don't really enjoy it though
[08:55] <Kilos> maybe even a bit more than kde
[08:55] <Squirm> I need to download 13.10 still
[08:55] <Squirm> and try it
[08:55] <Kilos> it takes getting used to Squirm 
[08:57] <nlsthzn> I love Unity as an interface but it just doens't work the way it should especially when you start hitting it with games (especially using Wine)... then it goes belly up pretty quickly :/
[08:58] <charl> good morning
[08:58] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:59] <Kilos> yeah i dont even try wine anymore
[08:59] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:59] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[09:00] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[09:00] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure
[09:00] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[09:00] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[09:00] <charl> lol
[09:00] <charl> a bucket of coffee i will die
[09:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, Kilos and Squirm!
[09:09] <Squirm> woop
[09:15] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[09:15] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[09:31] <gerritfromsa> wireshark wil solve your problem - it somehow always does ...
[09:31] <gerritfromsa> Sorry wrong window ...
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:32] <Kilos> np
[10:09] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:15] <Kilos> wbb gonna do some hardware fiddling
[10:17] <gerritfromsa> where can i publish a file?
[10:20] <nlsthzn> online?
[10:20] <nlsthzn> what type of file?
[10:24] <gerritfromsa> a pcap trace file
[10:25] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: where abouts are you from?
[10:26] <gerritfromsa> kzn north coast
[10:29] <nlsthzn> well I use dropbox to upload files to share and there are other services similar...
[10:30] <nlsthzn> >.>
[10:34] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: how north is north?
[10:34] <gerritfromsa> north of umhlanga but south of balito
[10:35] <Squirm> the only place I know that way is Umdloti
[10:35] <Squirm> and Crawford
[10:36] <gerritfromsa> however my offices is in midrand 
[10:36] <gerritfromsa> work from home most of the time 
[10:36] <nlsthzn> gerritfromsa,  well I use dropbox to upload files to share and there are other services similar...
[10:37] <nlsthzn> but if it is just to share the text with someone you could use pastebin etc
[10:37] <gerritfromsa> I use pastebin but I saw i someone using something else for files
[10:43] <nlsthzn> http://slexy.org/
[10:44] <gerritfromsa> slexy looks like text only ..
[10:44] <nlsthzn> yup
[10:45] <gerritfromsa> need public place to upload files
[10:45] <nlsthzn> you could use ubuntu 1?
[10:45] <gerritfromsa> maybe google docs then ...
[10:46] <nlsthzn> problem for me with many of the services to host files are that they always try to get you the uploader to pay somehow or cripple it for the downloaders and they need to pay.
[10:46] <nlsthzn> didn't know google docs did files, perhaps google drive/
[10:46] <nlsthzn> ?
[10:47] <nlsthzn> could use the latest bad boy on the block - https://mega.co.nz/
[10:47] <gerritfromsa> let me try ...
[10:48] <nlsthzn> hmmm... 50gb free space
[10:48] <nlsthzn> last time I checked this the site had just launched and was crashing the whole time...
[10:49] <gerritfromsa> had owncloud running ... then I lost my free hosting space , got new space now so will get it up and running soon
[10:51] <gerritfromsa> HTML5 is amazing ...
[10:51] <nlsthzn> +1
[10:52] <gerritfromsa> like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights at mega.co.nz ....
[10:56] <Trixar_za> It's great, but not all browsers support it equally
[10:58] <gerritfromsa> such as IE?
[10:59] <nlsthzn> :p
[11:03] <Trixar_za> Pretty much all of them, but earlier IE versions are the worst offenders
[12:08] <charl> gerritfromsa: dropbox?
[12:08] <charl> that's more or less the default option
[12:08] <charl> you don't get much space though
[12:08] <charl> if you have an open source project and you have large downloads, definitely try sourceforge
[12:09] <charl> i used to run a project that had pre-made ova's for many popular distros
[12:09] <charl> installed with drivers and everything
[12:09] <charl> i had like 10gb or 20gb up on there
[12:09] <charl> no problem, although the mirror synchonisation could be a little slow
[12:09] <charl> could take a number of days to get mirrored properly
[12:11] <charl> btw considering the legal issues megaupload had i would not use mega for anything serious
[12:11] <charl> for all that you know, the us government could come and take all their servers down (again)
[12:18] <gerritfromsa> kiwis wont allow the US to do that
[12:18] <nlsthzn> we hope...
[12:18] <charl> excuse me what?
[12:19] <nlsthzn> lol
[12:19] <charl> kiwiland is america's little b*tch
[12:19] <gerritfromsa> after what happened to Rainbow Warrior they keep foreign powers at a distance
[12:19] <charl> right...
[12:19] <gerritfromsa> australia on the other hand ....
[12:20] <charl> island countries...
[12:20] <charl> we have the UK here next to us so i am skeptical
[12:23] <charl> i discovered a really irritating issue
[12:23] <charl> i have an edge-lit 27" lcd tft at home that i connect to my laptop via vga
[12:23] <charl> mostly to watch films etc
[12:24] <charl> when i connect the screen i have to first enable it with: xrandr --auto --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of LVDS1
[12:24] <charl> LVDS1 is my built-in laptop screen
[12:26] <charl> sometimes brb
[12:28] <gerritfromsa> put it in your startup ...
[12:36] <Squirm> mwhahahaha
[12:36] <Squirm> I found you
[12:36] <Squirm> https://facebook.com/profile.php?=7332236
[12:44] <nlsthzn> yup, looks about right
[12:47] <nlsthzn> and it isn't creepy at all...
[12:47] <nlsthzn> >.>
[12:47] <nlsthzn> :p
[12:47] <charl> sorry i got interrupted
[12:47] <mazal> Cheers everyone. Lekker evening
[12:47] <charl> gerritfromsa: no i can't do that because the external screen is usually not connected
[12:48] <charl> i just run it as a shell script
[12:48] <charl> anycase, when i execute the xrandr i immediately get a new problem, my mouse pointer becomes much more sensitive and moves much faster
[12:48] <charl> does anyone know how to stop that ?
[12:50] <charl> the only thing i managed to come up with is calling xset -q ahead of time and then resetting the values with xset m 2 4 for example
[12:50] <charl> there might be a better solution though
[12:52] <Squirm> charl: http://xkcd.com/963/
[12:53] <charl> whahaha
[12:53] <charl> very good Squirm 
[12:54] <Squirm> I found it fitting
[12:54] <charl> what kind of lame joke is this above facebook
[12:54] <charl> you just open your own profile right? or not
[12:55] <charl> sorry i don't use it
[12:55] <charl> there's something wrong in the querystring, the parameter has no name
[12:59] <Kilos> hi gwoodford 
[13:02] <gerritfromsa> charl, you can set the script to only set if the screen is present
[13:02] <gerritfromsa> charl, dont unbuntu come with display setup as aprt of system settings?
[13:03] <gerritfromsa> raining again !
[13:03] <Trixar_za> charl: I just use box.com
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> box.com has a linux client now? :-o
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 50GB there
[13:04] <Trixar_za> I just upload through the website - no clue if they have a linux client yet :P
[13:04] <Kilos> inetpro, jy kan miskien nat is later. kom donker goed van die weste
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> boooo!
[13:05] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[13:06] <Trixar_za> Hey, it's 10GB free hosting :P
[13:06] <Trixar_za> And it takes some of the load off of your site
[13:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> mine's 50, that's why I'm keen to use it
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see they support webdav: http://xmodulo.com/2013/02/how-to-mount-box-com-cloud-storage-on-linux.html
[13:07] <gerritfromsa> Trixar_za, just what I was looking for! shot
[13:12] <gerritfromsa> webdav +1
[13:20] <Kilos> thunder and lightening. power might go
[13:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> thunderbolts and lightning very very frightening me!
[13:31] <charl> gerritfromsa: no, i want to run the script AFTER i connected my screen
[13:31] <charl> because i will not reboot my machine just after i connected the screen
[13:32] <charl> a) connect screen b) run script, simple
[13:33] <charl> and yes, ubuntu does come with a tool (gnome display settings, or some modified version of it, whatever the app is called) but i run i3wm so i do it manually
[13:33] <gerritfromsa> i3wm ?
[13:33] <charl> in either case, i still have the same problem though
[13:46] <Kilos> lol @ ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:48] <charl> i like the idea of having a raspberry pi with a fat 1-2tb external hd at that raspberry colocation facility
[13:48] <Squirm> lol
[13:48] <Squirm> linode works too
[13:49] <charl> run http/ftp for read-only public access and use ssh/scp/sftp/sshfs to push data onto it
[13:49] <charl> linode is expensive though
[13:49] <Squirm> how my is the Pi colocation?
[13:50] <charl> for 768 GB you pay $320 / month !
[13:50] <charl> that's really expensive
[13:50] <Kilos> ouch
[13:50] <charl> http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[13:51] <charl> it isn't going to work though, they only allow "Optional: a compact USB stick for additional storage (max. 4 cm)"
[13:51] <charl> that sucks, then you can get max 32 gb ?
[13:54] <charl> oh whow you can get a 1tb now http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/personal_business#DTHXP30
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> you could, or you could buy a new car :-p
[13:55] <charl> absolutely incredible https://www.centralpoint.nl/?page=cart&vendor=Kingston+Technology&quant1=1&prodid=DTHXP30/1TB
[13:55] <charl> total cost including vat 1.406,02 euro
[13:55] <charl> not entirely a car but hilariously expensive
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> fun fact, i bought a 10-year-old citigolf for 12,000
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> so yeah, as much as a car
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe not the average car purchase, but... ;-)
[13:57] <charl> well uh, a 10 year old car... yeah ok right
[13:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[13:58] <charl> you can buy a 256gb for €169,80
[13:58] <charl> that's doable
[13:59] <charl> not exactly cheap, but doable
[14:01] <charl> it's in any case gonna cost a heck of a lot less than buying a vps from linode
[14:01] <charl> looking at sd cards now - 128gb for 78,70 euro
[14:02] <charl> i would probably go for that although i don't know how good/reliable these high density cards are
[14:04] <charl> georgl_: do you also have the problem that a lot of stuff you download via nzb is corrupted? or somehow incomplete?
[14:09] <Kilos> hmm... the internet peeps are so painful at times
[14:10] <Kilos> http://www.wippy.com/za
[14:10] <Kilos> went there from fb i think because of a promo free usb stick offer
[14:10] <Kilos> now get a mail
[14:11] <Kilos> You have just received a R 1000!
[14:11] <Kilos> You only have to pay shipping fee of R 24.00
[14:11] <Kilos> where have i received that R1000
[14:11] <Kilos> is it virtualo money
[14:11] <Kilos> virtual
[14:14] <nlsthzn> sounds fishy
[14:15] <Kilos> yeah and you cant even eat the fish
[14:15] <Kilos> virtual fish
[14:15] <Kilos> they like a bod or buy thing looks like
[14:15] <Kilos> bid or buy
[14:16] <nlsthzn> well if the site is legit...
[14:17] <Kilos> all i wanted was the free stick offer on facebook
[14:17] <Kilos> grrr
[14:19] <Kilos> then you got to the link and cant even find that stick and gotta join and all that internet stuffs
[14:30] <Kilos> haha always read the fine print
[14:30] <Kilos>  After the trial expires, normal monthly charges of $ 49.00 will apply.
[14:37] <georgl_> hi charl
[14:37] <georgl_> not really
[14:38] <georgl_> i have the odd one that is corrupted or imcomplete
[14:38] <georgl_> i would say about 1 in 40 or so
[16:09] <Kilos> hey guys can you just look at http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/91097-mobile-data-prices-compared.html
[16:09] <Kilos> and tell me where i find the telkom mobile prepaid 3g for R119 or am i reading something wrong
[16:10] <Kilos> near the top it shows anytime data, but i only find the 2+1 when buying
[16:11] <Kilos> 3g anytime is much better than 2+1 and 30 bucks less
[16:20] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[16:21] <Private_User> yo 'sup Kilos 
[16:21] <Kilos> just another day and with you?
[16:22] <Private_User> yep same here, different day
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> oh Private_User you understand the net look here for me please
[16:28] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/91097-mobile-data-prices-compared.html
[16:29] <Kilos> near the top is prepaid section and where it shows 3g data for R119 on telkom is that right , i see anytime data
[16:29] <Kilos> but im paying R149 for 2g + 1g night surfer
[16:30] <Kilos> where am i getting lost
[17:07] <kbmonkey_> hello Kilos 
[17:07] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey_ 
[17:11] <kbmonkey_> bye QA
[17:11] <Kilos> im trying to get her to cloak 
[17:12] <kbmonkey_> looks like it worked
[17:12] <Kilos> worked fine when installed here but on the host dont cloak even with the same config
[17:12] <kbmonkey_> host?
[17:12] <Kilos> i read she cant cloak where there is another legal bot there
[17:13] <Kilos> ya she hosted i dunno where
[17:13] <kbmonkey_> whose host are you running bots on Kilos ?
[17:13] <Kilos> by squirm and Trixar_za 
[17:13] <kbmonkey_> oh, okay :]
[17:14] <Kilos> its just the cloak thing that dont work otherwise she running kiff there
[17:16] <Kilos> wow twitter is worth big bucks
[17:16] <Kilos> i think they just said 140 billion
[17:16] <Kilos> rand equivalent
[17:23] <kbmonkey_> too much to think of, lol
[17:24] <Kilos> lol and advertising is really funny at times
[17:24] <Kilos> they now selling the freshest lettuce ever
[17:24] <Kilos> with the roots still attached haha
[17:25] <Kilos> so fresh its still growing
[17:25] <kbmonkey_> where do you hear that? lol. 
[17:25] <Kilos> add on tv
[17:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:25] <kbmonkey_> isn't that how it supposed to be
[17:26] <Kilos> they lie man
[17:26] <kbmonkey_> hey isn't lettuce like celery, you chop off the top and it grows more
[17:26] <Kilos> the dig them up , wash the roots clean then let it dry and put in plastic packet
[17:26] <kbmonkey_> or asparagus. it just keeps growing
[17:26] <Kilos> then transport country wide
[17:27] <Kilos> no lettuce makes one head
[17:27] <kbmonkey_> ooh yeah lol. I was thinking of micro salads. i pick those leaving the roots
[17:28] <kbmonkey_> I should go heat up that tea
[17:28] <Kilos> whats microsalads
[17:29] <kbmonkey_> small leaves, not a head
[17:29] <Kilos> ah
[17:29] <kbmonkey_> but they grow quick
[17:29] <kbmonkey_> so you pick, and it keeps going
[17:29] <Kilos> ok
[17:30] <kbmonkey_> Maaz, google microsalad
[17:30] <Maaz> kbmonkey_: "Micro Salad: Organic America" http://microsalad.com/ :: "micro salad - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pzrna7hSE4 :: "Food = Health: Fall microsalads" http://veganbarbie.blogspot.com/2010/11/fall-microsalads.html :: "Vanishing Cone, Micro Salad, Olive Oil Caviar | Molecular Recipes" http://www.molecularrecipes.com/surprises/vanishing-cone-
[17:30] <Maaz> micro-salad-olive-oil-caviar/ :: "Micro Salad | Sow Gourmet" http://www.sowgourmet.co.uk/produ…
[17:31] <kbmonkey_> nope, that is wrong
[17:32] <kbmonkey_> I think it is called microgreens
[17:33] <Kilos> hahaha old memory
[17:33] <kbmonkey_> long day
[17:33] <Kilos> we gave ian lettuce when he was tiny and just learned to talk
[17:33] <Kilos> he said ian dont eat fowlers
[17:34] <kbmonkey_> lol
[17:36] <kbmonkey_> Maaz, coffee on
[17:36]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:37] <Kilos> good idea
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[17:38] <kbmonkey> yesh!
[17:39] <Kilos> what happened
[17:39] <Kilos> oh didnt see the tail
[17:40] <kbmonkey> let's see if Maaz sees it's gone
[17:40] <Private_User> yo Kilos, just looked at your link, it seems these are pre-paid month to mponth
[17:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey_ and Kilos!
[17:40] <Private_User> *month
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:42] <Kilos> ty Private_User i think my broadband has it wrong. its a 2+1 not a 3g anytime
[17:43] <Private_User> Kilos, you are on the Telkom mobile correct?
[17:43] <Kilos> yeah
[17:44] <Private_User> cause I see you package is also listed on that list
[17:44] <Kilos> the 2+1?
[17:44] <Private_User> Kilos, have you had a look at this http://www.cellc.co.za/giganite
[17:45] <Kilos> i would prefer 3g anytime
[17:45] <Private_User> I have the 200 giga package
[17:45] <Kilos> hate late nights
[17:46] <Private_User> it works out to 4GB Peak 12.5GB Nite Surfer for around 150 a month
[17:46] <Kilos> biggest prob is cellc uses the voda tower here and its forever broken
[17:47] <Private_User> difference is your pay once off R1799 and you get 50GB peak and 150GB nite surfer vsalid for 365 days
[17:48] <Private_User> so if you can manage your usage then its good comparitively to everything else they offer
[17:48] <Kilos> lol i have to save for many months to get that much money
[17:48] <Private_User> LOL
[17:48] <Kilos> hehe im serious
[17:48] <Private_User> yeah I understand that, I previously had the 2GB a month for 24 months with once off payment of around R1300
[17:49] <Kilos> i get 500 bucks a month for looking after sheep and fowls and cooking
[17:49] <Kilos> cant go for any contracts either
[17:49] <Private_User> problem with that package was 2GB was not enough for me a month
[17:49] <Kilos> but it is cheaper your way
[17:49] <Kilos> im getting there too
[17:50] <Private_User> some month I klaar it in a week other months I managed to let it last but I never could get my work done
[17:50] <Kilos> used to go 2 months with the 2+1, now im battling
[17:50] <Private_User> alwasy had to drag it along
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <Trixar_za> Something always eats up your data
[17:51] <Trixar_za> Downloading is addictive
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah tell me about it
[17:51] <Private_User> now I can get my work done and not worry too much although still monitoring my usage. so far I have managed to keep on track
[17:51] <Kilos> mine is normally with clean installs and the upgrading
[17:51] <Private_User> since I got this package I have downloaded the ubuntu and installed it plus done the updates and also downloaded many other software I needed
[17:52] <Kilos> i dont download much other stuff
[17:52] <Private_User> now I have no more well for now no more downloading to do
[17:52] <Kilos> have you got ubuntu doing everything you want yet?
[17:52] <Trixar_za> Also for R1800 we can get 60GB+60GB Nite Surfer data
[17:52] <Private_User> but you are right Trixar_za, downloading can become addictive
[17:52] <Trixar_za> For 365 days
[17:53] <Private_User> yeah I have seen that as well Trixar_za, it was good issue is not much coverage where I amk located
[17:53] <Private_User> *am
[17:53] <Trixar_za> I don't like CellC though - they KNOW you can't use 150GB between 12am and 4am because they throttle the usage around then
[17:53] <Private_User> also Telkom do not wanna install lines where I live, too much cable theft
[17:54] <Kilos> same here
[17:54] <Trixar_za> My sister has been shopping around too and she ended up deciding to go with Telkom Mobile too
[17:54] <Private_User> not sure about the throttle Trixar_za, cause I managed to download 4 different versions of Ubuntu in less than an hour
[17:54] <Trixar_za> Mostly for the 2GB+1GB thing
[17:55] <Trixar_za> It's lasts her more than a month. I'm still trying to teach her how to use torrents
[17:55] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:55] <Private_User> yezah the 60GB+60GB Nite Surfer sounds excellent
[17:55] <Private_User> *yeah
[17:56] <Private_User> I also am avoiding contracts so from pre-paid point of views these 2 I found was worth it
[17:56] <Kilos> yo Snowy2 
[17:56] <Trixar_za> I need a faster device. Telkom Mobile can go up to 7.2MBits/s using a standard 3G modem
[17:57] <Trixar_za> Mine is limited to 3.6Mbits/s
[17:57] <Trixar_za> :(
[17:57] <Private_User> so how long do you guys think before our broadband access and prices meet the international "norms"
[17:57] <Private_User> I long for that day *sigh*
[17:58] <Trixar_za> Next 2 years to never. Although I still think it leans towards never.
[17:58] <Kilos> dont we all
[17:58] <Trixar_za> As long as they can charge you for it, they will
[17:58] <Private_User> LOL
[17:58] <kbmonkey> I have all but given up on watching videos online because of it. 
[18:00] <kbmonkey> I'll take a stable connection over speed most days XD
[18:00] <Private_User> yeah but its so tempting to download but one has to think of getting the data to last
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Trixar_za> That's why I'm lucky
[18:01] <Private_User> so far with my CellC 3g I cn only get a good signal in one spot so I am alsways stuck at this desk even if I move around in the same room the signal drops
[18:01] <Trixar_za> Got to love friendly unencrypted WLAN connections
[18:02] <Trixar_za> Only works on my phone, but saves me a few small downloads and whatsapp usage
[18:03] <Private_User> you know the other day kbmonkey and I were chatting about a way we can create a opportunity for some sort of FreeOpenSourceSoftware equivalent for broadband access
[18:04] <Symmetria> omfg juniper has some hot women working for them
[18:04] <Private_User> he had a good idea
[18:04] <Symmetria> I'd route any of them
[18:05] <Trixar_za> Symmetria: pics or it didn't happen. Tell them to pose.
[18:05] <Private_User> lol
[18:06] <kbmonkey> we talked about wireless user groups iirc Private_User :)
[18:07] <Private_User> yep thats correct, but I was still wondering how we would get onto the backbone without somebody coughing up a substatianal amout of dough
[18:08] <kbmonkey> yep, that is but a dream. but you can still share local content with each other, and wug's can connect another expanding their reach
[18:10] <Private_User> but I am thinking if every person in the world shares there private network then maybe their will be no need for a backbone ...mmmm
[18:11] <Private_User> but then again thats what the internet is in lamen terms butI guess  people just decided that they will use it to make some money as well
[18:37] <kbmonkey> pretty much. originating at a university it grabbed the attention of the government and capitalists alike
[18:39] <kbmonkey> I got mixxx built the other day, I am playing some songs with it now. It is really a good piece of software.
[18:47] <Trixar_za> Actually. ARPANET started off as an American Department of Defence experiment
[18:48] <Trixar_za> They then shared it with universities and it grew. That's when companies started taking notice...
[18:48] <Trixar_za> and yeah, everything went to shit
[18:48] <Trixar_za> :P
[18:49] <kbmonkey> that is interesting...
[18:49] <psychicist> hi Trixar_za 
[18:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:49] <psychicist> hi kbmonkey 
[18:49] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[18:49] <Trixar_za> Night Kilos
[18:49] <psychicist> night Kilos 
[18:49] <Trixar_za> Hey psychicist
[18:49] <Private_User> oh yes its that time again
[18:49] <kbmonkey> hi Trixar_za and psychicist 
[18:49] <Private_User> gnite Kil
[18:49] <Trixar_za> Hey kbmonkey
[18:51] <kbmonkey> I go make a cup of tea now 8)
[18:58] <Trixar_za> I wonder
[18:59] <Trixar_za> is there still that website that reads all the lines of the Linux Kernel and plays it on an streaming audio radio station?
[19:07] <kbmonkey> that sounds crazy, hehe
[19:08] <kbmonkey> finally! repos are done updating. that took long enough :p
[19:08] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn 
[19:09] <magespawn> good evening kbmonkey 
[19:09] <magespawn> nice and chilly
[19:11] <kbmonkey> it is wet here but not so much cold, not like last week
[19:12] <magespawn> no not really cold, just cooler than the last couple of days
[19:12] <kbmonkey> busy rsyncing apt archives to the laptop for updates
[19:12] <magespawn> how big are the archives?
[19:12] <kbmonkey> yes, it is nice cool like this. summer is  going to be viscious
[19:13] <magespawn> maybe not too bad, last summer there were nice breaks in the heat
[19:14] <kbmonkey> only 2.4G and rsync will hopefully only copy unchanged files
[19:15] <magespawn> are you using your mifi?
[19:16] <kbmonkey> yes, I can ssh between pc's with it
[19:16] <magespawn> hah now that is just showing off
[19:17] <kbmonkey> not sure why host names dont work, but IP addresses do
[19:18] <kbmonkey> and its faster than usb - been having slow usb copies lately. 
[19:18] <kbmonkey> gadgets are getting old
[19:18] <magespawn> dns maybe
[19:20] <magespawn> no ip to host name translation?
[19:21] <Trixar_za> http://www.linux.fm/
[19:21] <Trixar_za> lol, it's still there
[19:21] <kbmonkey> i could add an entry in /etc/hosts for them but dynamic hostnames is preferred
[19:21] <magespawn> hey Trixar_za 
[19:22] <Trixar_za> Hey magespawn
[19:22] <magespawn> is there no way to wild card the hostname if the ip stays the same
[19:22] <magespawn> ?
[19:22] <kbmonkey> but I am afraid I have no experience setting up a dns
[19:23] <kbmonkey> if I disable DHCP on the mifi, would I configure static IP's for the machines then?
[19:23] <magespawn> you could assign the ip via mac and the host name from there
[19:24] <magespawn> yes the machine would need static ip, that would also mean any one else wanting to join would need a statis ip
[19:25] <kbmonkey> and also the phone needs to connect. 
[19:25] <magespawn> if you assign a static ip via dhcp to the mac address, every time that machine comes on it gets the same ip
[19:26] <magespawn> that way you could edit your /etc/hosts and use ip address to host name
[19:27] <kbmonkey> okay I understand. This little fellow does not allow that level of configurability.
[19:27] <magespawn> ahh well
[19:28] <kbmonkey> It only has DHCP on/off, IP assign range and lease time 
[19:29] <kbmonkey> nothing major. I can just export the IP to a variable if I feel lazy ;)
[19:36] <magespawn> have you used vi or vim kbmonkey 
[19:36] <magespawn> ?
[19:38] <kbmonkey> yes, I use vi and geany 50/50
[19:38] <kbmonkey> do you use it magespawn ?
[19:39] <magespawn> never tried geany 50/50, but i was using vi on the asterisk then tried vim which i now prefer
[19:40] <kbmonkey> I meant I use both 50% of the time 
[19:40] <magespawn> right lol
[19:40] <kbmonkey> geany is like gedit, a gtk editor
[19:40] <kbmonkey> yes I also use vim, it just happens to be aliased as vi here
[19:41] <magespawn> that could be a bit mis leading
[19:43] <kbmonkey> lol, yes it is
[19:44] <kbmonkey> great, that cut my updates down from 100MB to 16MB
[19:46] <kbmonkey> correction: down to 170kB. I don't need google talk plugin. 
[19:47] <magespawn> nice
[20:19] <magespawn> kbmonkey do you use it for programming in a specific language, like python/
[20:20] <magespawn> ?
[20:20] <kbmonkey> mostly for editing configuration script or bash shell scripts magespawn 
[20:21] <kbmonkey> I tried use it for Python, and with some python specific extensions, but I am faster in geany for those
[20:21] <magespawn> i see, i was wondering how you would save a file with a specific extension?
[20:21] <kbmonkey> mostly for working on projects with 10+ files at the same time
[20:21] <magespawn> but i suppose you would do that when create the file
[20:22] <kbmonkey> :w newfilename.ext
[20:22] <kbmonkey> that should do it
[20:22] <kbmonkey> that makes a copy though
[20:23] <magespawn> or  just 'vim filename.ext' but that will only work if the file does not exist already
[20:25] <kbmonkey> yes, else it opens the existing file. I like the mv command to rename files
[20:27] <magespawn> how is move and rename the same thing?
[20:28] <magespawn> i have some much to learn, i want to be a master
[20:29] <magespawn> it is amazing how much there is to things when you really start looking
[20:31] <magespawn> s/some/so
[20:32] <kbmonkey> move and rename is the same thing
[20:32] <kbmonkey> I think rename is just a wrapper that allows you to move multiple files using a pattern
[20:32] <magespawn> you see now i would use mv  to actually move the file from a to b, and rename to change the name in place
[20:33] <kbmonkey> you can mv it to the same place with a new filename ;)
[20:33] <magespawn> any who, i am off to bed, good night all
[20:34] <kbmonkey> myself, sleep well!