[02:36] <bluesabre> jjfrv8, slickymaster, ochosi: initial plugins page, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=plugins
[02:36] <bluesabre> I think I should choose a different wallpaper though, the xubuntu one does not have contrast in the corner
[03:27] <leif_> greetings
[07:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: that's looking quite good already
[07:14] <ochosi> i'm travelling the whole day today, can update docs.xfce tomorrow or so
[08:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, When do you expect the next release of catfish to be out?
[08:06] <Noskcaj> Also, can you try and include a manpage?
[09:36] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:41] <ochosi> hi slickymaster 
[09:41] <slickymaster> hi ochosi, good morning
[09:43] <ochosi> gm to u2
[09:43] <knome> hey ochosi!
[09:43] <slickymaster> good morning, knome 
[09:43] <ochosi> hey knome 
[09:43] <knome> morning slickymaster 
[09:43] <knome> ochosi, how's a.t?
[09:43] <knome> err, .at
[09:44] <ochosi> knome: currently on the train back to .it
[09:44] <knome> cool
[09:44] <ochosi> was quite a ride, those few days
[09:44] <knome> let's hope you have some mail waiting for you
[09:44] <knome> can only imagine
[09:44] <ochosi> indeed :)
[09:46] <knome> you have any plans to visit rome at some point?
[10:01] <ochosi> knome: i didn't get to do anything 'bout whiskermenu
[10:02] <knome> mhm
[10:02] <knome> np
[10:02] <ochosi> and i'm not sure my connection here is stable enough
[10:02] <ochosi> i can probably take care of it soon, when was the deadline?
[10:02] <knome> for what?
[10:02] <knome> 5 hours :P
[10:02] <ochosi> for the spec
[10:02] <knome> if you miss that...
[10:02] <knome> sometime later
[10:03] <ochosi> it shouldn't be too hard
[10:03] <knome> i mean, meh
[10:03] <knome> we probably aren't going to make a *final* decision about it today anyway
[10:03] <knome> but it would be good to approve the general direction of where that discussion is going, or if it's not going
[10:05] <ochosi> knome: ok, just started something here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[10:06] <knome> okay, cheers
[10:06] <knome> that was quick
[10:09] <ochosi> knome: ok, updated
[10:10] <ochosi> that might be all that's needed
[10:10] <ochosi> couldn't upload own screenshots, so i linked to the ones from the dev-site
[10:10] <ochosi> it *really* looks like that though, so i guess that's fine
[10:10] <knome> that's fine... i suppose
[10:10] <ochosi> (uploading screenshots is over my bandwidth in the train)
[10:10] <knome> we should do some "real" proposals later
[10:11] <ochosi> yeah, but this should be enough to do a first assessment
[10:11] <ochosi> and get ppl to test it
[10:11] <ochosi> since there's a PPA
[10:12] <ochosi> bbl
[10:12] <ochosi> (or tomorrow, depending on the connectivity)
[10:13] <knome> sure
[10:13] <knome> and thanks
[10:51] <knome> bleh, there is a slight chance i won't make the meeting (in time)
[10:52] <knome> in that case, just go ahead and discuss the roadmap and approve items as you see fit (i will veto if i have to, but i'm pretty much fine with anything on the list as long as people are willing to take the work items from specs they approve)
[10:53] <knome> the only things that i'm not sure about are the things in "new ideas" (i need more information about those to decide myself)
[10:53] <knome> it's highly likely i will make the meeting anyway, though (and, we should move that to 16UTC now that we aren't on DST)
[10:54] <ochosi> i wont be able to make it
[10:54] <ochosi> no mobile internet in .it for me...
[10:55] <knome> yeah
[10:55] <knome> let's see how it goes
[10:55] <ochosi> yup, good luck with it
[10:57] <knome> heh.
[10:57] <knome> i'm off to see an apartment
[10:57] <knome> see ya!
[10:58] <pleia2> enjoy
[11:03] <slickymaster> knome: that make two of us
[11:04] <slickymaster> searching
[11:28] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, probably in a few weeks, and I will include a manpage with it.
[11:52] <slickymaster> bluesabre: just FYI, the translation to Portuguese of https://launchpad.net/catfish-search is done
[11:53] <bluesabre> awesome slickymaster!
[11:54] <bluesabre> It was a really good thing that I got catfish moved to launchpad.  I think we started with 5 translated languages two years ago.
[11:55] <slickymaster> bluesabre: there are now 8 completely translated languages
[11:55] <bluesabre> I should do another call for translations to get the others complete again
[11:56] <slickymaster> yes, that might be a good idea
[13:45] <GridCube> ochosi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1248962
[13:45] <GridCube> P: i don't know why you would care, but you usually care about panels and stuff like that
[14:50] <knome> i'm here.
[14:53] <skellat> Excellent: (09:44:11 AM) queuebot: (notice) [06:31:44] Unapproved: xubuntu-docs (precise-proposed/universe) [11.10.0 => 12.04.0] (xubuntu)
[14:53] <skellat> The SRU is making progress thanks to seb128
[14:54] <jjfrv8-work> knome, I probably will miss most, if not all, of the meeting. If you're going to vote on the strategy document, I'll give it a +1
[14:54] <jjfrv8-work> skellat, saw that.  Thanks for the work on that :)
[14:56] <knome> jjfrv8-work, cheers. probably not voting today, considering i was able to send the changes out quite late.
[14:58] <knome> dum-di-dum
[14:58] <knome> who's here for the meeting?
[14:58] <GridCube> o/
[14:58] <GridCube> not that i can do much
[14:59] <skellat> o/
[14:59] <knome> elfy, pleia2, mr_pouit, micahg, bluesabre, Unit193 
[14:59] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov  7 15:00:27 2013 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[15:00] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[15:00] <knome> #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 
[15:00] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week
[15:00] <knome> yes, will try to get to it ASAP
[15:01] <knome> i sent the updated SD stuff to list
[15:01] <knome> #nick micahg
[15:01] <knome> #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation
[15:01] <knome> #action micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs
[15:01] <GridCube> :)
[15:01] <knome> #nick ochosi
[15:01] <knome> #action ochosi announces the community wallpapers project on the mailing list
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi announces the community wallpapers project on the mailing list
[15:01] <knome> #nick team
[15:02] <knome> #action (convert to work item) team to investigate patching xfce4-power-manager or finding alternatives
[15:02] <meetingology> ACTION: (convert to work item) team to investigate patching xfce4-power-manager or finding alternatives
[15:02] <knome> #subtopi Strategy Document reviewing
[15:02] <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing
[15:02] <knome> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-November/009413.html
[15:03] <knome> who has had time to go through?
[15:03] <skellat> o/
[15:04] <knome> skellat, +1 or -1, or need changes to be either?
[15:05] <skellat> I would want to loosen up the interpreted languages bit to allow for use of Python-based tools as well as to adjust the C++ portion to reflect that Firefox is coded in that
[15:06] <skellat> The only strictly C browser I can think of at this point is Dillo and that is a suboptimal choice for users
[15:06] <knome> since that portion isn't what we have changed now, would you be happy to approve changes and then start a review for the technical bits?
[15:06] <skellat> Yes
[15:06] <knome> okay, good
[15:07] <knome> i'm mostly interested if people in the -team (GridCube included) are happy with the proposed *changes*
[15:07] <knome> i know we probably need to go through more of the technical side as well
[15:07] <knome> (or eventually strip some of that off to procedures)
[15:07] <skellat> The changes overall seem fairly minor so +1
[15:08] <knome> i think it would benefit us all though if we got the first batch of changes in ASAP
[15:08] <knome> skellat, except voting for XPL. otherwise we just dropped stuff.
[15:08] <knome> (to wiki/Xubuntu/Processes, to make them more flexible)
[15:08] <GridCube> :) i don't mind them, i find that they simplify the work
[15:08] <skellat> We've previous discussed XPL voting and I have no objections to the change
[15:08] <knome> okay
[15:08] <knome> anyway, i'll send a mail
[15:08] <GridCube> although i can't never rememeber how to find them
[15:09] <GridCube> i see everyone referncing them but i have to dig a whole lot to find the SD
[15:09] <knome> #action knome to send email about progressing with the SD review; we will need to approve current changes at some point; we can get back to revieweing the technicalities later
[15:09] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send email about progressing with the SD review; we will need to approve current changes at some point; we can get back to revieweing the technicalities later
[15:09] <knome> GridCube, go to the wiki.
[15:10] <knome> GridCube, click the "Strategy Document" link.
[15:10] <knome> GridCube, done.
[15:10] <GridCube> thats the "actual" strategy document
[15:11] <knome> yes.
[15:11] <GridCube> well, where is the proposed? 
[15:11] <knome> GridCube, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-November/009413.html for the branch with the proposed one
[15:11] <knome> i just linked that earlier
[15:11] <skellat> #link http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-strategy-document-rewrite-1311/view/head:/strategy-document
[15:12] <knome> well that too. the mail summaries what's changed though
[15:12] <knome> (and it's not a trap)
[15:12] <knome> but please review it when you can, let's not waste meeting time for that
[15:12] <knome> i'll get back to you all with a new email,
[15:12] <knome> .
[15:13] <knome> #topic Team updates
[15:13] <knome> is there anything?
[15:13] <knome> #info 12.04 docs SRU is getting sponsored
[15:13] <skellat> #info The documentation SRU for 12.04 was sponsored by Sebastien Bacher and is working its way through the various queues
[15:14] <knome> that's the another way of saying it :)
[15:14] <knome> anything else?
[15:14] <skellat> More verbose
[15:14] <knome> very much, cheers skellat :)
[15:14] <skellat> I've got nothing else
[15:14] <knome> i think we're still a bit slow on "new" things
[15:14] <knome> #topic Announcements
[15:14] <knome> none from me. others?
[15:15] <skellat> #info Ubuntu Developer Summit will run November 19-21
[15:15] <knome> #info Agenda at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/
[15:16] <skellat> I don't believe there are any flavor sessions at all on the schedule this time
[15:16] <knome> me neither
[15:17] <skellat> #info RELEASE TEAM needs to attend this vUDS-1311 panel if at all possible: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22041/core-1311-release/
[15:18] <knome> that doesn't sound like too interesting, or critical to me
[15:18] <skellat> Moving milestones possibly again
[15:18] <knome> mostly the release schedule discussion
[15:18] <skellat> Yep
[15:19] <knome> #nick team
[15:19] <skellat> The original version had us dropping an alpha at Christmas, oddly enough
[15:19] <knome> #action team members to go through the UDS schedule and schedule their schedule to be able to make the sessions per the schedule
[15:19] <meetingology> ACTION: team members to go through the UDS schedule and schedule their schedule to be able to make the sessions per the schedule
[15:20] <knome> #topic New and emerging items
[15:20] <knome> #subtopic Approve or decline specifications on the Roadmap
[15:20] <knome> we have three team members here
[15:20] <knome> 1/2 quorum would need 6 persons
[15:20] <knome> 1/3 4
[15:21] <knome> i don't think we should go ahead unless people show up in the next 5 minutes
[15:21] <GridCube> agreed
[15:21] <knome> so let's do this
[15:21] <knome> #undo
[15:21] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Subtopic object at 0x18d5d90>
[15:21] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:22] <GridCube> anytime is good to me
[15:22] <knome> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting on November 14, 16UTC (note the one-hour later time, we are now all non-DST)
[15:23] <knome> and now i'll idle for 5 minutes doing other stuff, waiting for people to pop in.
[15:37] <knome> #endmeeting
[15:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov  7 15:38:27 2013 UTC.  
[15:37] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-07-15.00.moin.txt
[15:37] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-07-15.00.html
[15:37] <knome> ta.
[15:42] <knome> bbl
[17:33] <elfy> skellat: there's no way I could make that session at all
[17:33] <elfy> knome: will be able to make that meeting next week though
[18:14] <elfy> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot_ubiquity-devel/search/?q=ubiquity_ap-xubuntu
[18:14] <elfy> @team - that's where our ubiquity tests will be apparently :)
[18:14] <meetingology> elfy: Error: "team" is not a valid command.
[18:14] <elfy> oh behave 
[18:17] <slickymaster> elfy: but that's only for the Autopilot tests, right?
[18:18] <slickymaster> not the package ones?
[18:18] <elfy> yep - image testing slickymaster 
[18:19] <slickymaster> ok, thanks for the heads up elfy 
[18:19] <elfy> packages will be the same as last cycle - though I suspect I'm going to talk about changing my mind and pushing for constant testing of packages when people can do it
[18:20] <elfy> otherwise people see that we did, for example 2/2 - I'd rather see 100/2 :)
[18:20] <slickymaster> elfy: that might be a good idea as I feel that last cycle there wasn't very much done with those
[18:20] <elfy> it was new and a first for us - so 100% improvement :D
[18:21] <slickymaster> elfy: from that point of view, yes
[18:24] <Unit193> skellat: While not yet in repo, xombrero is C.
[18:30] <Unit193> brainwash: Poked kirkland, and got  New binary: screen [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-9] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)   \o/
[18:50] <Unit193> Got the update manager update today, with the restart fix from brain.
[19:07] <brainwash> Unit193: hooray
[19:08] <Unit193> Yeah, I can stop rebuilding from Debian for each release. :D
[19:08] <elfy> I forgot that hadn't released yet 
[19:09] <brainwash> Unit193: do you have to rebuild the debian package?
[19:10] <Unit193> brainwash: I'd think not, but I did anyway to make sure libc and all were happy.
[19:10] <brainwash> ah ok, I simply used the debian one
[19:12] <brainwash> and I'll try to upgrade my test machine to trusty, it did fail yesterday due to some connectivity issue I think
[19:13] <Unit193> Yeah, some things I install, but generally rebuild so I can put it in my repo and pull to all computers.  Basic things I may just take and use, things like cryptsetup I rebuild. (That last one is from Trusty though.)
[19:13] <brainwash> it appears to me, that one does not fix issues in saucy anymore, fixes only get backported to saucy from trusty
[19:14] <brainwash> so I'll focus on trusty from now on
[19:14] <brainwash> yeah, I intend to rebuild some packages too for personal use
[19:14]  * elfy will be running trusty full on - until I get mad breakage from next week
[19:16] <brainwash> hopefully I'll be able to upgrade my test system without any major breakage, it's the bloated system with every DE installed and tons of applications
[19:16] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, and you're watching Mir more than I am, right?
[19:16] <Unit193> Mind giving a ping when anything interesting, or fixes land?
[19:17] <brainwash> Unit193: not atm, I lost faith in the development of (x)mir
[19:17] <Unit193> Ah, oh well.
[19:18] <brainwash> won't test it again until some known bugs actually get fixed
[19:19] <Unit193> Yeah, I'm sure we aren't going for it in Trusty, but I may rebuild the images at some point for it.
[19:19] <brainwash> yeah, making it easier for people to test xmir is a great idea
[19:22] <brainwash> it could be even included by default, but not activated
[19:26] <brainwash> still not sure about bug 1232804
[19:26] <brainwash> it affects 3 packages
[19:27] <brainwash> and the change to xfdesktop (window manager check before launch) would need to be committed upstream I assume
[19:28] <brainwash> maybe ochosi knows how to handle it best
[19:30] <brainwash> and the question remains, if this change/improvement is valid or not worth the time and resources
[19:53] <Unit193> brainwash: Heh, I really was just looking to make it easy for myself, because there was no way at the time I was going to install saucy, then xmir. :P
[20:22] <brainwash> Unit193: but still, xmir is just xmir, nothing to be excited about
[20:22] <Unit193> Yep.
[20:22] <Unit193> (I never was.)
[20:22] <brainwash> and there are not plans to actually use the real deal -> mir
[20:22] <brainwash> :P
[20:23] <Unit193> ...Or the real one, Wayland. :/
[20:24] <brainwash> oh yea, both display servers are still unpolished and broken somewhat
[20:25] <brainwash> did anyone already start working on wayland support for Xfce?
[20:26] <Unit193> Hah, nope.  They're still slowly moving to GTK3 still.
[20:26] <brainwash> I know that this would require (full?) GTK3 support
[21:56] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:58] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:58] <slickymaster> hi, Unit193
[23:35] <Kazansky> Anyone have experience with Glade?
[23:37] <ali1234> a little bit; but it was not a good experience
[23:40] <Kazansky> I'm doing okay with it, it's much easier than writing the UI manually, I just have one question that I was hoping someone might be able to help with. Is there a way to pass a structure as user data to a widget? At the moment when I click user data is wants me to select "an object to pass the the handler". I don't want to pass an object, I want to pass a structure that I made in the source file.
[23:40] <ali1234> well, check the gtk docs i guess
[23:40] <Kazansky> I was hoping I could just put the name of it in there and have it put it in itself instead of hooking up the signals myself which works but it'd be easier if it could do it.
[23:41] <ali1234> user data is typically a void pointer when you're doing things by hand, at least it is in other toolkits
[23:41] <ali1234> or if not void pointer, some typedef of it
[23:41] <Kazansky> It is a void pointer.
[23:41] <ali1234> you should be able to put any type of pointer you want in it then
[23:42] <ali1234> whether glade will actually let you or not is another question
[23:42] <Kazansky> I can it's just Glade doesn't have the option for me to put it in there, I can write it myself no problem. I'll look around some more.
[23:42] <ali1234> you can always write a little bit of code by hand to stuff the data in manually
[23:43] <Kazansky> I can and probably will lol
[23:43] <ali1234> there is this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17967997/gtk-pass-user-data-to-callback-using-glade
[23:43] <ali1234> i don't know if the answer is any use or not
[23:44] <Kazansky> That's exactly what I'm doing now.
[23:44] <Kazansky> >And thus stop using glade in order to configure the user data that is passed to a specific callback.
[23:44] <Kazansky> Guess I'm outta luck.
[23:45] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6165943/cant-pass-user-data-in-callback-using-glade seems to suggest it's not possible using only glade
[23:47] <Kazansky> It seems like that, I was just wondering if anyone had found out otherwise, thanks ali1234.
[23:47] <ali1234> yeah, looks like a common problem, and i'm not seeing any easy answers, so it' probably not possible