[00:01] <amandaparker> I know.  The guy that owns this is used to Unity so that's what I grabbed.  If this gives me too much more grief though I'll grab another I guess...
[00:02] <niel123> yea use xubuntu
[00:02] <niel123> its derpy
[00:09] <bekks> amandaparker: Just install xubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <bekks> amandaparker: Thats the package name.
[00:51] <amandaparker> bekks: I did that, rebooted, then thought "Oh, I'll get rid of Unity" and bleah...  Starting over now with a Xubuntu livecd.  I grabbed 13.10 by mistake.  Anything I should know that's weird?  I'm used to 12.04
[01:00] <blacklist> hello
[01:01] <blacklist> this is my problem whit xubuntu 13.10
[01:01] <blacklist> W: Impossibile recuperare gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages  Somma hash non corrispondente
[02:17] <amandaparker> I also just had an almost heart attack when everything was in Spanish...  Cat must have arrowed down at the initial "Try or install" page.  False alarm though
[03:44] <xubuntu182> Hi!
[03:44] <xubuntu182> can I get help not this channel for the version 12?
[03:45] <ObrienDave> what do you need to know?
[03:45] <Unit193> swx: Howdy.  12.10?
[03:45] <Unit193> .04?
[03:45] <swx> xtgms is missing on boot after a fresh install
[03:45] <swx> the LTS
[03:46] <swx> ever seen this error ?
[03:46] <ObrienDave> that would be 12.04
[03:46] <swx> yes 04
[03:47] <ObrienDave> I have no clue what xtgms is or does
[03:48] <swx> google either :P
[03:48] <Unit193> !info xtgms
[03:48] <swx> weird
[03:48] <Unit193> !find xtgms precise
[03:49] <Unit193> I have no idea, and neither does ubottu. :P
[03:49] <swx> tryin to reinstall.. well see if it work it out ;)
[03:49] <swx> thx
[03:49] <ObrienDave> that would be my best guess
[06:21] <xubuntu748> Hello I have got two regressions in 13.10
[06:21] <xubuntu748> anybody there?
[06:22] <ObrienDave> sorta, kinda, but not quite
[06:22] <xubuntu748> anyway, installed xubuntu from miniCD on Acer Travelmate 650
[06:23] <xubuntu748> previous xubuntu worked fine
[06:23] <xubuntu748> now plymouth splash seems to be in the wrong color dept and both the DLink USB wireless adapters don't work
[06:24] <xubuntu748> connection established but it hangs after few bytes transferred
[06:25] <ObrienDave> I had the hang problem last night. needed to reboot the DSL modem a few times
[06:25] <xubuntu748> both worked fine on previous version
[06:26] <xubuntu748> if I plug the adapter off and on the connection starts again but then hangs, I cannot even complete the apt-get update
[06:28] <ObrienDave> that kind of connection is your ISP? DSL? FiOS?
[06:30] <xubuntu748> I  have a wireless local network made with an ADSL modem/router
[06:31] <xubuntu748> this old laptop needs an external USB adapter
[06:31] <ObrienDave> have you rebooted the DSL modem lately?
[06:31] <xubuntu748> I have got two DLink adapters
[06:31] <xubuntu748> yes
[06:31] <xubuntu748> i rebooted the router twice
[06:31] <xubuntu748> no effect
[06:32] <ObrienDave> see if Dlink has updated drivers for 13.10 I kind of doubt it, but worth a check
[06:32] <xubuntu748> when i plug off and in the adapters the connection is established but only few bytes are transferred
[06:32] <xubuntu748> updated drivers for both adapters? they are different and both don't work
[06:33] <xubuntu748> it doesn't look much probable that both drivers are broken
[06:35] <xubuntu748> I am not expert but looks like something else
[06:35] <vrkalak> i'm download new 'stable' 3.12 kernel ...
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: whats the issue?
[06:36] <ObrienDave> xubuntu748> now plymouth splash seems to be in the wrong color dept and both the DLink USB wireless adapters don't work
[06:36] <ObrienDave> brb
[06:36] <xubuntu748> if you are asking me, two regressions, plymouth splash wrong color dept and two dlink adapters not working
[06:37] <xubuntu748> dwl-g132 and dwl-g122
[06:38] <xubuntu748> they use two different drivers
[06:38] <xubuntu748> the drivers are apparently fine since the connection is established
[06:39] <xubuntu748> but then nothing passes on the connection, just few bytes right after establishing
[06:42] <ObrienDave> sounds to me like an ISP issue
[06:42] <xubuntu748> nope
[06:42] <xubuntu748> I am using the same PC with the same adapter right now on Windows XP
[06:42] <xubuntu748> and it worked with previous Xubuntu
[06:43] <ObrienDave> hmm, no clue. sorry
[06:43] <xubuntu748> I cannot contact the router from the PC on new xubuntu install
[06:43] <xubuntu748> it means the issue is in between
[06:53] <xubuntu748> It is difficult to accept that moving from a version to the following one you can get such bad regressions, I coild live with the wrong plymouth but the wireless connection is a no-go
[06:55] <ObrienDave> try reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675764
[06:59] <xubuntu748> doens't apply to my case for two reasons, previous xubuntu just worked fine with both adapters and on 13.10 the adapter is properly recognized, the drivers are correct and the connection is established
[07:00] <xubuntu748> I log in, get the local IP address
[07:00] <xubuntu748> some data is transferred, like I can browse a site
[07:00] <xubuntu748> then the connection dies
[07:00] <xubuntu748> and stays dead unless I plug off and back in
[07:01] <xubuntu748> i say it again using two diffrent adapters with two different drivers
[07:01] <ObrienDave> hmm, I have the same USB connection issue with my mouse. keeps shutting off
[07:02] <ObrienDave> maybe it's an USB issue
[07:02] <xubuntu748> maybe
[07:02] <xubuntu748> I don't see any error then
[07:02] <xubuntu748> i also have an usb mouse and it seems to work
[07:07] <ObrienDave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink
[07:07] <ObrienDave> bottom of page
[07:11] <xubuntu748> That comes from years ago when you had to use ndoswrapper
[07:11] <xubuntu748> ndiswrapper
[07:11] <xubuntu748> it would be ironical to upgrade Xubuntu then revert to ndiswrapper
[07:12] <xubuntu748> when the previous xubuntu did not have any problem with native drivers
[07:13] <xubuntu748> I tought to stay with 13.04 but then there is the "rapid release cycle" so after some months it isn't supported any more
[07:13] <ObrienDave> was think more of this: Works on 10.10 and 11.04 with rt2870sta (might need rt2800usb blacklisted). (Device id is 07d1:3c0f, see lsusb)
[07:14] <xubuntu748> I looked at all that documentation years ago
[07:14] <xubuntu748> stopped when the native support for the adapters was implemented
[07:14] <xubuntu748> last Xubuntu was totally plug and play
[07:15] <xubuntu748> no need to fight with drivers
[07:22] <xubuntu748> I don't think it makes sense to look ad years old documentation that is basically obsolete.
[07:23] <xubuntu748> If a device was working fine with 13.04 it is expected to work fine with 13.10
[07:23] <xubuntu748> then it is a regression somewhere
[07:30] <xubuntu748> I wanted to submit a bug report but I cannot use the bug tracker tool
[07:36] <baizon> xubuntu748: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[07:46] <xubuntu748> Yeah right, science fiction guys
[07:46] <xubuntu748> "Before filing any hardware related reports on Launchpad, please update your BIOS, and hardware firmware (CF card readers, SSDs, USB 3.0 controllers, DVD/CD drives, etc.) to the newest available from your vendor. "
[07:48] <xubuntu748> That means "you cannot report any hardware related bug"
[07:49] <xubuntu748> besides, I say it again, I did not have any issue with pervious Xubuntu, It doesn't make much sense to ask me to update firmware because latest version has got regressions
[07:50] <xubuntu748> Because then new bugs could be introduced just because the new firmware
[07:52] <xubuntu748> USB DLink wireless adapter DWL-G122 and DWL-132 worked fine with 13.04 and don't work with 13.10, no visible error, correct drivers loaded, connection established but hangs
[08:19] <rydhwan> hi
[08:20] <rydhwan> my pc p4 card openchrome
[08:21] <koegs> what?
[08:21] <rydhwan> xubuntu installed but after boot screen dark
[08:21] <rydhwan> nothink
[08:22] <rydhwan> no tty
[08:23] <rydhwan> in live usb screen dark
[08:24] <rydhwan> but in install i see installer ?
[08:24] <rydhwan> ?????
[08:25] <rydhwan> xubuntu 13.04 ok fine
[08:27] <rydhwan> how install pilote of openchrome ?
[08:28] <rydhwan> SOS
[08:29] <rydhwan> chroot ?
[08:43] <rydhwan> how install drivers of openchrome ?
[08:45] <roninn> isn't linux unsafe
[08:45] <roninn> user x edits the file /tmp/test and user y starts to edit the file /tmp/test at the same time, user x does some edits while the user y already opened the file for edit. then user x edits the file and right after the user y edits the file. so user x loses his changes.
[08:48] <nlsthzn> roninn, that isn't how it works
[08:49] <roninn> hm?
[08:49] <roninn> why not
[08:49] <roninn> well there can be vim locks, but if vim is not used for example
[08:51] <nlsthzn> sorry I was thinking of something like people editing source code going into a linux distro and not files on someone's computer being access by multiple users on the same system... I am not sure how the system handles that as I am king of my system and nobody touches my files :p
[08:51] <ObrienDave> it's good to be the king ;)
[08:52] <nlsthzn> and my wife gave me permission to say I am king too
[08:53] <ObrienDave> I ALWAYS get the last word. "Yes DEAR"
[08:53] <nlsthzn> :D
[08:53] <roninn> my wife only has access to /var/www and /home/herhome
[08:56] <Unit193> I don't see how that is 'unsafe', or exclusivly a linux problem.  Most text editors, or good ones at least, will warn you it's been modified since you opened it.
[08:57]  * nlsthzn trusts nano would know
[08:58]  * nlsthzn sees this is not #ubuntu-offtopic and retreats
[09:04] <roninn> Unit193, do you know which ones (cli)
[09:04] <roninn> im interested
[09:05] <Unit193> Nope, why would I?  Just that vim and nano do.
[09:06] <nlsthzn> if it wasn'
[09:06] <nlsthzn> if it wasn' for nano I would never edit in cli
[09:47] <cfhowlett> !hibernate
[09:52] <nlsthzn> ok... zzzzz
[09:58] <bingo> hello. how much a difference in resource usage is there between Xubuntu and XFCE?
[09:58] <bingo> thanks
[09:59] <bingo> i guess what I am trying to ask is, which will my game run better on
[09:59] <nlsthzn> xfce is the desktop environment used by xubuntu...
[09:59] <cfhowlett> bingo,  xfce4 is the windows manager for xubuntu.  question makes no sense
[09:59] <bingo> ahh i see
[10:00] <bingo> but xubuntu is faster than regular ubuntu?
[10:00] <nlsthzn> ah ok windows manager, sorry
[10:00] <bingo> okay ill stick with xuduntu then, its nicer looking than xfce
[10:00] <nlsthzn> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[10:00] <ObrienDave> oh my
[10:01] <bingo> im a noob, i just use linux cuse i get better fps
[10:01] <bingo> :x
[10:01] <cfhowlett> bingo, yes xubuntu is generally faster than ubuntu since no unity to eat up the GPU cycles
[10:01] <bingo> ty, i notice it :)
[10:02] <bingo> there used to be a program i could install from softwre enter, it let me edit the duel boot order. does it exist anymore?
[10:03] <bingo> like a GUI made it easy to understand
[10:09] <ObrienDave> yes, it's called grub-customizer. might have to add the PPA for it
[10:14] <bingo> hi again. Would someone please tell me how to remove the XFCE? I only want to see Ubuntu and Xubuntu when i login
[10:15] <cfhowlett> bingo, sudo apt-get purge xfce
[10:15] <bingo> ty
[10:15] <bingo> same for ubuntu 2d?
[10:16] <bingo> unable to locate package
[10:16] <cfhowlett> bingo, I don't know.  sorry.  but no need to kill those.  they take up trivial space
[10:16] <bingo> ok
[10:16] <nlsthzn> if you purge xfce then xubuntu as an option won't be available anymore
[10:16] <bingo> oh snap
[10:16] <cfhowlett> bingo, if you remove xfce4 you will NOT have xubuntu
[10:16] <bingo> i won then, ty
[10:17] <bingo> ill just leave it then, getting so picky causes problems
[10:17] <bingo> xubuntu is sharp looing
[10:17] <nlsthzn> the xfce option is the same as xubuntu without the theme and other things making it look nicer :)
[10:17] <nlsthzn> basically the same thing
[10:17] <bingo> any other nice themes that low on resources?
[10:17] <bingo> and easy for noob to get
[10:18] <nlsthzn> all themes you use with xfce/xubuntu will take the same resources...
[10:18] <nlsthzn> it is only when you install totally different interfaces like unity etc. that resource usage will change
[10:18] <bingo> whats the best way to devote as much resources to th game  play?
[10:18] <bingo> figured it was xubuntu
[10:19] <nlsthzn> not much more DE wise you can do, if you go lighter you will save some RAM but not enough IMO
[10:19] <bingo> rgr, ill leave it
[10:19] <bingo> disk image time
[10:19] <nlsthzn> I am also on xubuntu now and I also use this system mainly for gamiing
[10:20] <bingo> i was kinda blown away by how much better it is than windows
[10:20] <bingo> like 20 fps higher on average any situation
[10:20] <nlsthzn> wow, what are you playing?
[10:20] <bingo> Second Life
[10:20] <bingo> nto a game i know
[10:20] <knome> !offtopic | bingo, nlsthzn
[10:20] <bingo> but i dont have a fist haha
[10:21] <nlsthzn> sorry knome
[10:21] <bingo> sorry masa
[10:22] <bingo> was finally able to boot using 319 nvidia drivers
[10:22] <bingo> just had to purge the old 304's but never knew
[10:22] <bingo> took me three clean installs to learn that lesson
[10:23] <bingo> and a google search
[10:24] <bingo> are there any cool terminals? like ones with a DOOM theme et..
[10:24] <cfhowlett> bingo, additional ram migth be worth a look
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !quake
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !guake
[10:24] <Sysi> !info guake
[10:24] <bingo> ya i tried quake but i didnt find the theme
[10:24] <bingo> it was just gray
[10:25] <cfhowlett> !cookie|Sysi,
[10:25] <bingo> ill try again i suppose, everyone says get guake
[10:25] <bingo> sudi apt-get install guake?
[10:25] <bingo> sudo*
[10:25] <cfhowlett> yep
[10:25] <Myrtti> tilda is another
[10:26] <Sysi> guake offers just special functionality though, not special theming AFAIK
[10:26] <bingo> then it wont help i just want a cool looking terminal
[10:26] <Myrtti> I prefer terminator but it's not a dropdown like tilda/guake are
[10:26] <Sysi> terminal colors are trivial to set in xfce4-terminal
[10:27] <Myrtti> functionality > cool looking
[10:27] <bingo> ill take terminator, where?
[10:27] <bingo> guake i didnt see any theme
[10:27] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install terminator
[10:27] <bingo> ty
[10:27] <Myrtti> themes you have to build yourself
[10:28] <Myrtti> in most cases
[10:28] <bingo> where is tha on difficulty level for noob?
[10:28] <Myrtti> on terminator it's right click - Preferences
[10:29] <bingo> ty
[11:31] <xubuntu901> Anybody aware of regressions with Wireless adapters?
[13:31] <GridCube> i'm having an issue with the weather addon http://i.imgur.com/so3Mg5G.png for some reason it shows the temperature twice, once in the front in the choosen font and color, and once in the background in some grey color
[13:32] <GridCube> its like the shadow of the numbers
[13:34] <GridCube> the same happens if i add a different things to the applet
[13:44] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1248962
[14:27] <Junka> who updates the ubuntu repos?
[14:27] <bekks> Junka: the repo maintainers.
[14:28] <Junka> these are people from canonical?
[14:34] <ObrienDave> maybe yes and maybe no
[14:37] <Junka> omg *buntu is not safe after all
[14:37] <Myrtti> oh, and why is that?
[14:38] <Junka> anonimous people update my software
[14:38] <Myrtti> hardly anonymous
[14:39]  * phunyguy nudges Junka in the direction of Launchpad
[14:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, anonymous people
[14:42] <Junka> is it safe for ufw to be disabled by default?
[14:43] <phunyguy> define "safe"
[14:43] <phunyguy> and what does this have to do with Xubuntu?
[14:44] <Junka> xubuntu uses ufw is it not?
[14:44] <Junka> then it's xubuntu's problem
[14:44] <Pici> Junka: sure. Theres nothing listening publically on any port by default anyway.
[14:44] <phunyguy> I am not sure Xubuntu does actually.... Maybe regular Ubuntu?
[14:46] <Junka> I believe all the *buntu line uses it
[14:46] <phunyguy> fair enough.
[14:48] <phunyguy> so if all of ubuntu uses it, how is it just Xubuntu's problem?
[14:48] <phunyguy> you just might be barking up the wrong tree here.
[14:49] <Junka> i use xubuntu so i'm on xubuntu's channels...
[14:49] <phunyguy> Junka: if you have an issue with design descisions, you can join #ubuntu-devel
[14:50] <Junka> sure
[15:39] <Haggard> Hey folks. I was trying to report a bug (weather app in 12.04) using the report a bug function. Doesn't work. Do I need to open a launchpad account to file a bug?
[15:39] <phunyguy> Pretty sure, yes
[15:40] <Haggard> Thx. Then that would be two bugs I need to file.  :)
[16:23] <dupin> just installed xfce4.10 on xubuntu 12.04 and now icons arenot on the right but at the centar
[16:24] <dupin> desktop switcher, action buttons...
[16:24] <dupin> how can I put them on the right of the panel
[16:25] <TheSheep> dupin: put a separator to the left of them and make it autoexpand
[16:27] <dupin> to easy and trivial tnx man  :)
[16:33] <gdos> using thunderbird, how can view root mail (i.e. local system mail) ?
[16:39] <TheSheep> gdos: I'm not sure thunderbird supports that, let me check
[16:40] <TheSheep> gdos: doesn't look like it does
[16:41] <TheSheep> gdos: so one way around that would be to setup an actual smtp server on your computer serving those e-mails, and configure thunerbird to use that
[17:32] <Harish> Hi
[17:32] <Harish> i have a question with xhost
[17:33] <Harish> xhost +name command does not save the user list after restart
[17:40] <TheSheep> what was the question?
[17:45] <xubuntu954> hey someone knows how much xubuntu live install take?
[17:45] <jax23> time?
[17:45] <holstein> xubuntu954: you mean, an installation from the xubuntu live installation media?
[17:45] <xubuntu954> yea
[17:45] <xubuntu954> time i mean 1 hour 2 hours
[17:45] <TheSheep> depends on a lot of things, not possible to tell up front
[17:45] <holstein> xubuntu954: depends on the machine.. usually takes me about 10 minuts
[17:45] <jax23> on my old pc 1 and 1/ hour
[17:45] <holstein> minutes*. it has taken close to or over an hour
[17:46] <jax23> 90 minutes
[17:46] <TheSheep> can be 2 hours on a slow computer from a cd
[17:46] <xubuntu954> yeah becouse i have it in a window but i there isnt any process bar
[17:47] <holstein> xubuntu954: wait as long as you possibly can.. then, consider starting over, and *not* accepting updates during the installation
[17:47] <xubuntu954> ok thanks
[18:04]  * genii sips his coffee
[18:04] <gdos> TheSheep: how hard would it be?
[18:05] <TheSheep> gdos: I have no idea, I never tried it
[18:05] <TheSheep> !smtp
[18:06] <gdos> TheSheep: thanks.
[18:07] <genii> jax23: First we should see that your phone is set up to allow access by USB. Please go to Options, Memory, and make sure that "Mass Storage Mode Support" is set to On, and that "Auto Enable Mass Storage Mode When Connected" is set to either Yes or Prompt
[18:08] <genii> jax23: Then click the Berry button on phone and select Save
[18:13] <jax23> genii, i can't turn on my phone because i get an error
[18:13] <jax23> error app 200
[18:14] <genii> jax23: Oh, that doesn't sound good!
[18:14] <jax23> :-(
[18:15] <jax23> i'm trying to do a backup to restore after factory settings of my B.B.
[18:15] <genii> jax23: Take off the back, pull the battery. Wait 10-15 seconds then put battery back and close it up. This should make it boot from cold
[18:15] <jax23> ok
[18:16] <jax23> it's starting
[18:16] <genii> It will take a while. Then it has to do the second stage after where it will load the desktop, etc
[18:17] <genii> ( assuming no boot errors)
[18:17] <genii> Work needs me, back in a few minutes
[18:21] <genii> jax23: Did it manage to boot all the way?
[18:24] <jax23> nothing, error app 200
[18:27] <genii> jax23: Sounds like a hardware issue.
[18:28] <jax23> ideas?
[18:28] <genii> jax23: http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Device-software/app-error-200/td-p/2609305
[18:28] <genii> Looks like it might be fixable
[18:29] <genii> jax23: Since it's no longer an issue where Xubuntu is involved, I suggest we head to ##blackberry channel, and see what can be done there.
[18:30] <jax23> ok
[18:32] <havenonearth> still trying to get internet to work properly with my clean install of ubuntu studio 13.10.  It connects, but ability to browse/download/stream breaks down after 5 minutes to 2 hours, even though it says it's still connected to wireless network. Disconnecting and reconnecting restores it, though sometimes I need to do it a couple of times for it to catch..  My Win7 dual-booted on the same laptop doesn't have these problems, a
[18:32] <havenonearth> nd neither do the other laptops in the house.  Problem only started after I updated from 12.10.  I'm up to date on upgrades/updates.  Have generally ruled out Mozilla as a problem as it affects non-Mozilla apps including xchat, though sometimes xchat works when Mozilla doesn't.
[18:32] <havenonearth> any thoughts?
[18:40] <bekks> havenonearth: Its affecting your wireless driver.
[18:40] <bekks> havenonearth: Which driver do you use?
[18:41] <havenonearth> I'm not sure--I'm not on my drivers in xubuntu.  How do I find out?
[18:41] <havenonearth> i'm not up on my drivers I meant to say.
[18:54] <lighta> hi guys, hey is it normal that ls -d doesn't list all directory but just the one given in arg ?
[18:56] <Rory> lighta: yes
[18:56] <lighta> oh ye ?
[18:56] <lighta> ls -d, is marked as broken ?
[18:57] <Rory> lighta: ls -d */
[18:58] <lighta> ah thx =)
[19:09] <nonuby> any reason when i start xubuntu it restores many of my previous apps/windows ive even added rm -fr /home/me/.cache/session to /etc/rc.local which doesnt seem to fix it
[20:11] <thequeers> hi
[21:02] <swx> Hi! What is the most stable version of xubuntu a this moment? I am working on the 12.04 and it is not
[21:03] <Junka> lol
[21:03] <Junka> what is unstable for you swx ?
[21:04] <swx> @Junka File manager not crashing when I move files from a drive to another ahah
[21:06] <Junka> wierd I cant recall something similar
[21:06] <Junka> have you tried the latest xubuntu 13.10?
[21:07] <GP-Mike> have sometimes the same problem.. especially when I connect to my nexus 4.. and I am using xubuntu 13.10
[21:07] <Junka> omg another one
[21:07] <Junka> :p
[21:08] <swx_> lol
[21:08] <GP-Mike> ^^
[21:08] <swx_> linux? stable? yes if u do anything :P
[21:08] <Junka> Then I can suggest to remove thunar and install pacmanfm
[21:08] <holstein> swx_: i would try removing the filemanger from teh equation. move the files in the command line and note the errors or messages
[21:09] <swx_> thx for the advice
[21:10] <swx_> miss the old fashion brown ubuntu version 8 Haha
[21:10] <holstein> swx_: ? ...use it if you like.. its still there, just not supported
[21:11] <Junka> not supported means no updates at all?
[21:11] <swx_> holstein: I know that but I need support ;)
[21:12] <Junka> bummer
[21:12] <holstein> swx_: you are free to support it. manually update what you want/ned
[21:14] <Junka> not cool
[21:14] <swx_> times missing.. I have a life out of linux :)
[21:15] <GP-Mike> that's blasphemy :P
[21:16] <Junka> ban&kick the heretic plz
[21:16] <swx_> ahah
[21:16] <holstein> !ot
[21:17] <swx_> holstein: maybe u should learn to take it easy man ;)
[21:17] <holstein> swx_: you can request that the maintainers of the channel do.. otherwise, i welcome your comments in the proper channel
[21:48] <havenonearth> did a clean install of ubuntu studio 13.10 about a week ago and am still trying work out problems with consistent internet connectivity.  I am able to connect to the wireless router and the Internet, but I lose the ability to browse and stream video after 5 minutes to 2 hours, even though I'm still shown as being connected to the network. I had no problems with it until I upgrade from 12.10. win7 dual-booted on my laptop has
[21:48] <havenonearth> no problems and neither do the other computers in the house. any thoughts for addressing this?
[21:49] <holstein> if it were me, i would troubleshoot the connection from live CD's
[21:49] <holstein> there is nothing about ubuntustudio that really addressing networking specifically in any way
[21:50] <holstein> i would use xubuntu or main ubuntu live CD's so that you can use the larger ubuntu community for support
[21:50] <holstein> i would try the hardware with a supported operating system (such as windows) to ensure that its functioning properly
[21:51] <holstein> havenonearth: i would look for other users of *any* linux using that same exact hardware and see if they experience issues or not
[21:51] <holstein> if 12.04 worked, i would just install and use it and not worry, but i dont specifically want or need networking with my studio production machine
[21:55] <havenonearth> so when you say troubleshooting from live CD's, do you mean testing a live CD of, say, xubuntu or ubuntu to see if I"m having the same problems?
[21:55] <Junka> is xfce 4.10 backported in 12.04?
[21:55] <holstein> havenonearth: correct.. removing the currently installed ubuntustudio from the equation completly
[21:58] <havenonearth> so if the live CD works with no issues, are you then suggesting I just replace ubuntu studio with either xubuntu or ubuntu?  I chose ubuntu studio because of its low latency kernel.  I'm a professional DJ and I've noticed a huge difference  with the quality (and lack of interruption) of music in ubuntu studio.
[21:58] <havenonearth> unless xubuntu has the same kernel?
[21:59] <holstein> havenonearth: ubuntustudio and xubuntu *are* ubuntu. im saying, if you use main ubuntu's live CD, you will have no issues using the main ubuntu support avenues
[21:59] <holstein> havenonearth: i feel like you have been having this issue for a while now, and realistically, it could be this simple.. support for your device is broken in more recent kernels
[22:00] <holstein> havenonearth: running main ubuntu, or xubuntu live will remove the *lowlatency kernel from the equation,and allow you to more appropriately communicate with a larger community about the issue
[22:02] <Junka> God, is a DJ.
[22:02] <holstein> Junka: please use the OT channel.. thanks
[22:07] <havenonearth> I appreciate your observation of the fact that I've been dealing with this for a while.  Because of that, I want to get this right.  So, I can test something without the low latency kernel to see if the issue is with the kernel itself.  If the live CD doesn't produce any improvements, then I can rule out the updated low latency kernel as being the issue.  if the live CD does show an improvement, then I would need to choose be
[22:07] <havenonearth> tween reliable internet access and holding on to the low latency kernel.  am I reading this correctly?  I know these are all ubuntu and have used all three before.
[22:08] <havenonearth> by testing something I mean ubuntu or xubuntu 13.10
[22:08] <holstein> havenonearth: you can just install the generic kernel, if you feel that the lowlatency one is the issue.. you can choose them at boot time like dual booting
[22:08] <Unit193> !info linux-generic
[22:08] <holstein> havenonearth: when ubuntustudio shipped an RT kernel, i used to dual boot them, since the RT one didnt support a few wifi cards i had (assuming i needed/wanted networking)
[22:09] <holstein> but, the lowlatency one is likely not the issue.. though, it wont hurt to test.
[22:11] <havenonearth> definitely makes sense to test it.  so if the kernel is the issue, I could then dual-boot between ubuntu studio and, say, xubuntu.  (which would actually be a triple boot since I already dual boot with Win7).
[22:12] <havenonearth> one other observation.  ubuntu studio gives me the choice right now between xfce and ubuntu studio.  do they still use this same kernel in this version?
[22:12] <Unit193> The kernel is picked at the grub prompt, not lightdm.  LightDM can't change the kernel at all.
[22:12] <havenonearth> gotcha.  that makes sense.
[22:13] <Unit193> There is a file in /etc/grub.d/ that makes lowlat kernels first choice though.
[22:13] <havenonearth> the grub prompt is the very first prompt that, among other things, lets me choose between win07 and ubuntu studio?
[22:13] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:14] <havenonearth> gotcha.  that's helpful.  okay I'll give that a try and see if that makes a difference.  Thanks!
[22:14] <Unit193> You can pick "Other options for Ubuntu Studio" to see what kernel, or patch /etc/grub.d/10_linux to see them on the main screen.
[22:17] <havenonearth> while I'm at it, too--I was on before and somebody thought it might be a driver issue and asked what driver I was using. I didn't know and didn't know how to check.  would that be a worthwhile path of inquiry too?  and if so, how would I look into it?
[22:18] <holstein> havenonearth: you can find that out with the network manager.. right click, connection information, driver is listed
[22:18] <havenonearth> okay, the driver is wl
[22:19] <Unit193> lspci -v | grep net -A9  and look at the driver, or inxi -n
[22:19] <Unit193> (Or, that, the easy way.)
[22:19] <holstein> havenonearth: so, you can blacklist the wl driver and try the other broadcom driver that you likely used in 12.10
[22:19] <holstein> !broadcom
[22:19] <holstein> havenonearth: those are notoriously problematic
[22:19] <havenonearth> the wl drivers?
[22:20] <holstein> havenonearth: no.. those broadcom devices
[22:21] <holstein> havenonearth: run "lspci" and output that to pastebin please
[22:21] <havenonearth> okay, let me try that, hold on a sec.  what's the url for pastebin again?
[22:21] <holstein> !paste
[22:22] <blacklist> holstein,  ism using 13.10
[22:23] <Unit193> lspci | pastebinit   and paste the url.
[22:24] <holstein> blacklist: maybe i pinged you by accident, actually suggesting the action of blacklisting
[22:26] <havenonearth> okay, the URL is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6378830/
[22:28] <holstein> havenonearth: thats the chip i had. it was so problematic i ended up switching it out.. let me get you a link you can try
[22:28] <holstein> havenonearth: let me tell you what i think is going on here.. in 12.10, the wifi *didnt* work out of the box. you got a popup, and added the proprietary broadcom driver
[22:29] <holstein> havenonearth: now, in 13.10, you are using the opensource one.. with that driver, i had the same experience you are reporting
[22:29] <holstein> havenonearth: i would not do *anything* besides try the proprietary driver.. let broadcom know you are having an issue with the device, and consider just switching it out, or getting an external device that is more supported
[22:30] <holstein> havenonearth: these days, hardware is just too reasonbly priced to sit around for weeks with things not working.. this the the site i referenced which has a device with the *same* wifi chip as you have
[22:31] <holstein> https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[22:32] <havenonearth> yep that's my laptop.  is it easy to switch out the chip? I am already using an external sound card because of the jack wearing out.
[22:32] <holstein> havenonearth: specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/6378883/
[22:32] <holstein> havenonearth: it was easy for me to switch the chip. i had another laying around, and i have taking these machines apart before
[22:33] <holstein> havenonearth: i would just get a supported USB device and plug it in, and enjoy
[22:34] <havenonearth> that might make sense.  how much do they usually run?
[22:35] <holstein> havenonearth: depends.. i literally have a box of them i havent paid anything for.. i see them for around $5 or $100 US
[22:35] <holstein> 5 to 100*
[22:36] <holstein> havenonearth: try the proprietary driver though.. i didnt try it in 13.10
[22:36] <holstein> it'll work "better" id say
[22:37] <havenonearth> and that's using the method via the google site link you sent me?
[22:37] <holstein> havenonearth: the site i linked, and the broadcom link i had the bot give, or the specific information i picked from the link and put in the pastebin.. and now you know exactly what the issue is
[22:38] <havenonearth> that's great.  Thanks so much! Identifying it is at least half the battle if not more.
[22:39] <holstein> havenonearth: i had read that link before i bought the machine, so, i knew going in, i might change the wifi chip
[22:41] <havenonearth> it's been a good machine in every other way--was thinking my next laptop should be an asus, too.  i'll probably get one optimized for ubuntu.  eventually I'll need a separate laptop for DJing.
[22:42] <holstein> havenonearth: they dont make them "optimized for ubuntu".. if you want that, you get a system76 machine which is not optimized in any way... it just literally ships with ubuntu, and has support for linux
[22:43] <holstein> havenonearth: you really dont need a seperate machine for dj'ing, id say.. nothing about ubuntustudio is specific to DJing, or running on a netbok
[22:43] <havenonearth> I know, it's just more a question of convenience and storage.
[22:44] <holstein> i use netbooks for a lot of "appliance" types of audio tasks. i have 8 or 10 of them around.. mostly asus
[22:44] <holstein> you dont need ubuntustudio to use the few apps you'll need that happen to be in ubuntustudio
[22:45] <havenonearth> is it the apps or low latency that distinguishes ubuntu studio?  a lot of those apps, of course, I don't use, though that may change.
[22:45] <holstein> havenonearth: its the default setup.. otherwise, the sources are the same
[22:46] <holstein> havenonearth: running those apps wont happen on a netbook.. not in any useable way.. it would be similar to trying to do video editing on a netbook.. i do a lot of field work on netbooks, but i come back to a main machine to edit audio
[22:47] <havenonearth> well, that's worth keeping in mind, too, since I do some audio editing at times.
[22:47] <havenonearth> okay, thanks once again--I appreciate the help!
[22:51] <xubuntu874> hi
[23:38] <acmeinc1> i'm having an issue where the 'top' command will crash my desktop.  Its hard to find a bug report since 'top' is a very ambiguous search term.  do any of the regulars here recall any issues with 'top' whcih has come up?
[23:39] <holstein> try top in tty acmeinc1
[23:41] <acmeinc1> i believe I have and it works.  I guess its not crashing "all" of the time either.  But sometimes.  I hvae a monitoring script that runs every 5 minutes which included 'top' snapshots.  I since dislabed that.  But when I ran top manually a few times, it has crashed.  But it was not crashing every 5 minutes.  Its intermittent for sure.
[23:41] <holstein> acmeinc1: what error messages?
[23:41] <acmeinc1> none
[23:42] <acmeinc1> i tailed the messages/syslog/kern logs in another tty to be sure.  It just drops to the login screen.
[23:42] <acmeinc1> if you have a log i should check, i'm all ears
[23:42] <Unit193> The command `dmesg` and the log in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[23:43] <acmeinc1> dmesg showed nothing...i'll take not of the xfce log\
[23:43] <acmeinc1> ...that log doesnt exist
[23:44] <Unit193> Erm, I just assumed 13.10.
[23:44] <acmeinc1> LTS
[23:50] <Unit193> Sooo, lightdm has a log as does X, sounds like something may be killing X (since it bounces back to login.)