| widox | haha | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| tony-smlr | SMLR is Live Now (11/9/13@7:00pm) Video http://youtu.be/gR5nWL0ai-I , Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming | 00:09 |
| derekv | what should I be when I grow up? | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | a firefighter, no doubt | 01:46 |
| widox | I've been thinking about opening a fruit & vegie stand | 02:00 |
| rick_h_ | darn it derekv, you had to go find broken things. :P | 02:04 |
| === ZonathanD is now known as JonathanD | ||
| cmaloney | morning | 12:57 |
| brousch | yes | 12:57 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 13:13 |
| brousch | GiveCamp starts tonight | 13:16 |
| brousch | I hope I'm not too old to keep up with the hipsters | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | lol, go teach those whipper-snappers a thing or two | 13:20 |
| brousch | At least it's a django project we're working on | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | booooo! | 13:22 |
| jjesse | morning rick_h_ | 13:23 |
| brousch | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/07/2328228/gimp-citing-ad-policies-moves-to-ftp-rather-than-sourceforge-downloads | 13:23 |
| rick_h_ | heh, floored it took this long tbh | 13:25 |
| brousch | I feel bad for my SF friends | 13:26 |
| brousch | They don't make these policies but they endure questions | 13:26 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| jrwren | why are they even still using SF? | 14:04 |
| jrwren | move to github, use their archive and release features ;P | 14:04 |
| jrwren | silly gimp | 14:04 |
| trevlar | ugggh sorry everyone | 14:06 |
| trevlar | for the join spam | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | yay, ec2 machine retirement worked around. Sorry for the few min of bookie downtime | 14:17 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Sad thing is it's only a few projects that are doing the ad-supported downloads but they cause people to question every project | 14:51 |
| brousch | It sounds like Gimp didn't green-light the bundler, so it was forced on them by SF. People have to wonder if their project is next | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | yeah, I didn't catch that initially. | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | That's really, really slimy. | 14:55 |
| jrwren | i'm unsure why this is surprising. | 14:55 |
| jrwren | SF has been evil for a long time now. | 14:55 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Questionable, yes. Some of those ads were purposefully misleading | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | evil, notsomuch | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | But this latest spate is evil. | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | It's taking advantage of people | 14:56 |
| brousch | Dave told when they get reports of bad ads they take them down | 14:56 |
| brousch | I guess they don't vet every ad before it goes up | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's slimy. They've been slimy for a while business-wise. | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | but the troule is when the business and the devs collide which is why brousch gets :( | 14:57 |
| brousch | They love the project (Allura) but hate the business side | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | That's been true for a while. | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | Because the business side is making it harder for them to justify working on the Allura side. | 14:59 |
| cmaloney | It's like finding out your research in quantum mechanics is going to kill people. | 15:00 |
| cmaloney | (OK, not so much in the extreme, but you get the idea) | 15:00 |
| cmaloney | I'm planning on moving what little code I have left on SF.net over to githug. | 15:01 |
| cmaloney | github, even | 15:01 |
| brousch | They should call pull requests githugs | 15:04 |
| rick_h_ | ummm....denied! | 15:05 |
| brousch | "I just sent you a githug for bookie!" | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | "Please keep your hands to yourself" | 15:06 |
| brousch | 5 githugs are waiting for you! | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | add it to the xkcd for today | 15:06 |
| trevlar | how long till a chrome extension shows up that comic? | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | trevlar: already there? | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | and I'm right https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/xkcd-substitutions/jkgogmboalmaijfgfhfepckdgjeopfhk?hl=en&gl=001 | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | thank you google for making that easy to find on my first try so fast after comit release | 15:11 |
| trevlar | lol | 15:12 |
| trevlar | https://github.com/h2s/xkcd-substitutions | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | Just sent a note to my friends at SF.net. I included this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | Well, their new community manager. | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | But he and I worked together, and I trust him. | 15:14 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: we disagree on what evil means. :p | 15:23 |
| jrwren | and... wtf is Allura ? | 15:24 |
| cmaloney | https://sourceforge.net/projects/allura/ | 15:24 |
| jrwren | does it have lots of ads OOTB ? | 15:25 |
| cmaloney | I don't believe so but can't confirm. :) | 15:25 |
| cmaloney | https://github.com/marijnh/Eloquent-JavaScript | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | Apparently it's going through a second edition | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | cool, JS people like this book as a good solid first book for folks | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | I wasn't as big a fan, but it was something like my 10th+ JS book | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | yeah, my own failings in Javascript are in no way attributable to this book | 15:27 |
| jrwren | all ya need is crockford. | 15:27 |
| jrwren | everything else is superfluous | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | Crockford is a great map of the landmines, but what I'd like to know is if there's a fucking beach under there. :) | 15:28 |
| brousch | jrwren: Allura has no ads. Those are part of the proprietary SF add-ons | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | experience. just have to get through the learning curve | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | 'the good parts' is probably the best book and finding good code is the second thing to do, then get writing | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | JS is like all other languages. Don't try to write it like something else | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | C-looking python is a pati | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | pita that is | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | and trying to make JS look like python will suck as well | 15:32 |
| * brousch hides his javascript | 15:36 | |
| rick_h_ | come on, it'll never get better if you don't have others to learn from | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | <3 code reviews | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | as brutal as they can be, it's how you get better at crap | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | at least learn/see new ways | 15:37 |
| brousch | My JS looks as much like Python as I can make it | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | did you know you can check something with collections.Mapping? That was totally new to me | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: might like that one | 15:37 |
| brousch | I hate the usual JS function in function in function | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | then don't do that :) | 15:38 |
| brousch | But when I look at JS examples, that's how they are | 15:44 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but do you know why? | 15:45 |
| rick_h_ | once you understand the rules, you can work around the rules :) | 15:45 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: java looking python can be worse :) | 15:45 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea :/ | 15:46 |
| brousch | It is because JS people don't like to name functions. They like to inline everything | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: but we've already got some of that | 15:46 |
| jrwren | i think collections.Mapping is new in ES6 ? | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: no and no :P | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: no, it's in python. I saw someone use it to compare if it was a 'dict-like' something | 15:46 |
| jrwren | i've not used that. | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I hadn't seen collections.Mapping/etc in there. Was kind of cool. Anyway, code reviews showing new ways/things is cool | 15:48 |
| jrwren | its an abstract base. | 15:48 |
| jrwren | so were they calling type() and comparing? | 15:48 |
| rick_h_ | isinstance | 15:48 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 15:48 |
| jrwren | yup | 15:48 |
| jrwren | makes great sense. | 15:49 |
| jrwren | that way it works if it is a dict, or an OrderedDict or any other dict like thing | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | right | 15:49 |
| jrwren | alhtough the catch is that your dict like thing needs to inherit from Mapping rather than just be a duck. | 15:49 |
| jrwren | ah python... turning its back on duck typing :) | 15:49 |
| jrwren | now what would be SWEET, and why I like GO is if python adopted implicit interfaces. | 15:50 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, except for the joys of chasing down where that method came from | 15:50 |
| jrwren | so a new type need not inherit from Mapping, but as soon as it has __getitem__, __setitem__, __delitem__, __iter__, and __len__ it isinstance(Mapping) | 15:50 |
| jrwren | tags, vim and ctrl-] makes that easy if not trivial | 15:51 |
| jrwren | and if that fails, git grep :p | 15:51 |
| cmaloney | Until I can convince folks to get postgresql / hstore in here, this is proving to be a nice alternative for simple key/value store: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_8/orm/collections.html#dictionary-collections | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | Also, nosetests --pdb is awesome | 16:01 |
| cmaloney | Helping with my feeble attempts at TDD | 16:02 |
| greg-g | so, trademarks, discuss | 16:21 |
| greg-g | ;) | 16:21 |
| brousch | I only trade marks when mine are worn out | 16:22 |
| greg-g | funnily enough, I have a call in 8 minutes with Mark and Markus | 16:22 |
| cmaloney | My impression is that UK trademark law is a little more stringent than US trademark law, but I have nothing more than anecdotal evidence to back that thought. | 16:47 |
| cmaloney | I'm disappointed with both sides, frankly | 16:49 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: :P | 16:57 |
| cmaloney | Apparently the latest Logitech UE firmware will let you "upgrade" it to a Squeezebox Radio | 17:02 |
| cmaloney | cue happy dance. | 17:02 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: help! https://identi.ca/greg/note/uleMo4q2Q2qiTydzvr5Shw | 17:28 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Want my honest opinion on how to tackle this? :) | 17:47 |
| greg-g | if it involves installing a linux distro, no | 17:48 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: otherwise I'm all ears :) | 17:48 |
| cmaloney | It involves a Squeezebox and a server. | 17:48 |
| cmaloney | Not necessarily Logitech's hardware though. | 17:49 |
| cmaloney | But that'll give you the DLNA support, and FLAC / ogg / mp3 support | 17:50 |
| greg-g | so, two distros to set up :) | 17:50 |
| greg-g | well, I'm solving the otherone with a synology nas (with DLNA support) | 17:50 |
| cmaloney | http://www.synology.com/releaseNote_enu/SqueezeboxServer.php | 17:50 |
| greg-g | wat | 17:51 |
| greg-g | ah | 17:51 |
| greg-g | so, still need the cd player part though :/ | 17:51 |
| greg-g | have too many cds that aren't on the NAS yet | 17:52 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Best advice I can give you is to use Banshee to rip them, and Musicbrainz to add cover art | 17:55 |
| cmaloney | that's my current workflow | 17:56 |
| greg-g | :( | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | If you want ship them to me and I'll rip them for you. :) | 17:56 |
| greg-g | don't temp me | 17:56 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:56 |
| greg-g | tempt, heh | 17:56 |
| greg-g | don't /tmp me, bro | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | hah | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, I've put my CDs into storage for the most part | 17:57 |
| cmaloney | I love CDs, and they're awesome, but I don't want to cart them around | 17:57 |
| greg-g | the thing about cds for us is ease. It's easier for Carrie to riffle through cds, put in player, press play, then to scroll through some folder/whatever hierarchy :/ | 17:58 |
| greg-g | though, I haven't used a squeezebox, so it might be way simple/easy with a 2 year old on your head | 17:58 |
| greg-g | (literally) | 17:58 |
| cmaloney | There's Android apps that interface with the SB | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | so you can type whatever you want into the app and have it play | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | Orange Squeeze is the one that I'd recommend as the simplest | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | Squeeze Commander is the most powerful | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | and allows you to download tracks to your phone | 18:00 |
| greg-g | so, for my evening listening enjoyment when rowan's asleep, I listen to live concerts (thanks archive.org/etree.org), does SB compress in transit? | 18:00 |
| greg-g | lossly | 18:00 |
| cmaloney | Not unless you tell it to | 18:00 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:00 | |
| greg-g | cool | 18:00 |
| greg-g | I can tell the difference between flac and mp3 with my good headphones from those recording | 18:00 |
| greg-g | s | 18:00 |
| cmaloney | http://archive.org/post/416211/live-music-archive-on-squeezebox | 18:01 |
| * greg-g promises he isn't an audiophile | 18:01 | |
| greg-g | oh gosh, you are just such the temptress | 18:01 |
| cmaloney | Seriously, this thing is amazing. | 18:01 |
| greg-g | oh, that says it doesn't work | 18:01 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I'm not sure if that's changed. Let me check | 18:02 |
| greg-g | it's listed on the sq apps site | 18:02 |
| greg-g | so I assume it works | 18:02 |
| greg-g | (stupid sb app site doesn't provide me urls that go anywhere/where I am) | 18:02 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 18:02 |
| greg-g | hmmmmm | 18:03 |
| greg-g | alright | 18:03 |
| * greg-g ponders | 18:03 | |
| cmaloney | Apparently the UE radio can be "upgraded" to a Squeezebox radio | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | it's mono, but it has a nice interface. | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | and it's $100 | 18:04 |
| greg-g | much better price range :) | 18:05 |
| greg-g | after spending $500 on nas+harddrives.... | 18:05 |
| greg-g | :( | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, that's what I figured. | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | Plus most radio stations support streaming | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | The only ones that didn't for a while were the CBS stations (WWJ, and WOMC) | 18:06 |
| cmaloney | which, whatever. | 18:06 |
| greg-g | does it not have an am/fm tuner? | 18:06 |
| cmaloney | No, it doesn't. It's strictly an Internet device | 18:07 |
| greg-g | hrmmm | 18:07 |
| greg-g | not that there's good radio around us, anyways | 18:07 |
| cmaloney | and (privacy tin-foil-hats-engage) they strongly slant the device to use mysqueezebox.com for plugins and some management | 18:08 |
| cmaloney | ie: Pandora / SiriusXM / etc. | 18:08 |
| greg-g | I mean, I get a real radiowave broadcast of Pacifica (Democracy Now! and friends) but... yeah | 18:08 |
| cmaloney | I just did a search on Umphrey's McGee for the Live Music Archive search | 18:10 |
| cmaloney | selected a 2012 concert, and I'm now listening to UM | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | huh. It's streaming the mp3 file | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | not sure how to tell it otherwise. | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Nice thing too is you can set it up tonight without buying hardware | 18:13 |
| cmaloney | There's squeezebox clients for Linux | 18:13 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:15 |
| cmaloney | It's how I stream music to work from my SB. | 18:15 |
| cmaloney | and you have access to the source (it's in Perl) | 18:15 |
| greg-g | you lost me at Perl | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | The firmware uses Lua. ;) | 18:16 |
| greg-g | whew | 18:16 |
| greg-g | something sane | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | hah | 18:17 |
| cmaloney | Anywho, if you have any questions about it let me know. I'm really pleased with how it's integrated into my setup. | 18:17 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:18 | |
| greg-g | thanks man | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | np | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | Hope it helps. :) | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | (don't want to be "that guy". :)) | 18:18 |
| greg-g | probably won't pull the trigger until Sunday night on any hardware, so more time to think/research | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | kk | 18:20 |
| cmaloney | Well this is awesome. Apparently my links to Jamendo stations evaporated. | 18:23 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: tieguy recommended Sonos.... fight! | 18:59 |
| greg-g | bah, sonos needs an app, there is no on-device UI | 19:10 |
| cmaloney | Sonos is also not OSS afaik | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | And there aren't players for all known OSes | 19:11 |
| brousch | greg-g: How is Debian treating you? | 19:12 |
| greg-g | yeah, dang tieguy and his hate of floss | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | And I don't know the state of the Sonos community, but there's a thriving Squeezebox community. | 19:12 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: cool | 19:12 |
| greg-g | brousch: things looking good :) | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | There's even a project underway to create a new hardware client | 19:12 |
| greg-g | huh | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | with some of the former developers. | 19:12 |
| cmaloney | So even with Logitech turning a blind eye to the Squeezebox there's still activity. | 19:13 |
| brousch | greg-g: I've been using Debian with XFCE on the RaspberryPi and a VM and I like how it is going | 19:17 |
| greg-g | cool | 19:18 |
| brousch | Kivy seems to run fine on it, so that is nice | 19:21 |
| jrwren | how can I file a bug that section is not listed here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/git-svn | 20:26 |
| rick_h_ | "section'? | 20:33 |
| jrwren | yes, the Section: output of dpkg -p or apt-cache show | 20:39 |
| jrwren | from the debian/control file | 20:39 |
| greg-g | what the hell, ed vielmetti is everywhere | 20:41 |
| greg-g | https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2013-November/006169.html | 20:41 |
| * greg-g does a /names to make sure he isn't in here | 20:42 | |
| greg-g | awesome non-apology by Canonical :/ | 20:49 |
| * brousch starts the popcorn popper and grabs a beer https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/398907208357773312 | 20:50 | |
| rick_h_ | brousch: :P | 20:51 |
| brousch | Come on! where's the show? | 20:54 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: heh, I replied :P | 20:54 |
| rick_h_ | I'm guessing he's ranting against git-flow the tool vs git-flow the idea/practice | 20:55 |
| rick_h_ | but who knows | 20:55 |
| rick_h_ | honestly, I don't take my progamming life lessons from crute | 20:55 |
| brousch | Who do you take them from? | 20:58 |
| jrwren | what should canonical appologize for? | 21:35 |
| brousch | Enforcing their trademarks. Those slimy bastards! | 21:36 |
| greg-g | jrwren: dumb trademark cease and desist letter to a site telling people how to turn off the privacy-icky things | 21:36 |
| greg-g | I mean, if you already know that, then: | 21:36 |
| jrwren | the site that was top of hacker news today? | 21:37 |
| greg-g | being overzealous | 21:37 |
| greg-g | who the hell reads hacker news? | 21:37 |
| greg-g | :P | 21:37 |
| jrwren | exactly. | 21:37 |
| brousch | It was also on Reddit | 21:38 |
| greg-g | who reads reddit? I only look at images | 21:38 |
| * greg-g ain't a reeeder | 21:38 | |
| rick_h_ | it's canonical/ubuntu hating. Clearly canonical/ubuntu should go away :P | 21:38 |
| greg-g | it's just bad trademark enforcement honestly | 21:39 |
| greg-g | WMF enforces trademarks (way more, by number, than canonical) but we don't send generic letters to sites run by EFF peeps ;) | 21:39 |
| jrwren | how does the boycott novel guy feel about ubuntu? | 21:40 |
| greg-g | :) | 21:40 |
| cmaloney | I don't understand the git flow hatred. It seems to work well enough for my thought processes. | 21:45 |
| cmaloney | jcastro: http://www.fathomevents.com/event/rush | 21:48 |
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