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wrstnetritious, mate... that's so 2002 of you ;)00:22
netritiouslol..it /is/ gnome2 right? or forked gnome2?00:25
Unit193Except, it doesn't seem to move.00:27
wrstUnit193: isn't that the point of mate?01:32
Unit193To stagnate?01:36
wrstyep01:39
wrstI mean if your goal is to keep the experience of dated software isn't that really the point?01:39
netritiousmate is just the UI...the base is debian 7 testing01:40
netritiousafter dist-upgrade of LMDE that is01:40
netritiousso packages aren't /that/ old01:40
netritiousthis laptop is working very well atm...much better than Windows XP :P01:41
Unit193Debian 7 is stable, if 7 is wheezy.01:42
netritiousthen sid now that it's post upgrade, correct?01:44
Unit193Sid is always unstable, jessie is testing of course.01:45
netritiousroger, had to look that up. I couldn't remember the naming convention lol01:46
Unit193Heeey, what do I know?  I'm just a stupid Ubuntu user. ;)01:47
netritiousUnit193: why is "debian 7 testing" incorrect? Just trying to understand.01:48
Unit193Because "Debian 7" = Wheezy, which is stable, therefor not testing.01:49
netritiousSO I just should have left out the "7" lol01:52
netritious"debian testing" would have been accurate, right?01:52
wrstUnit193: I thought Debian came in 3 flavors, old, stale and rusty ?01:52
netritiousjust making sure i haven't lost my mind somewhere01:52
Unit193wrst: Shouldn't your logic be: Stale, almost stale, almost current, broken?01:53
Unit193netritious: Right-o01:53
* Unit193 runs a host using testing, stable enough for a server.01:53
Unit193Can you define "server"?01:54
wrstUnit193: my vps is on stable01:54
netritious"testing, stable" ... so two different hosts or...?01:55
wrsthost?01:56
netritiouswait I read that wrong lol01:57
wrstha ha01:57
Unit193Loki is on testing, but the host is functional and without problems?01:57
Unit193:P01:57
Unit193(Well, not OS related.)01:58
wrstI have thought about rolling my vps to testing but packages aren't painfully old... yet01:59
wrstnetritious: I have KitKat on my phone... I mention that just to get cyberanger going :;02:00
Unit193wrst: Yes, because wheezy was recently released.02:03
Unit193netritious: Where do you sit when it comes to initd?02:03
wrstUnit193: I usually sit in a chair02:10
Unit193wrst: Floor isn't always bad, window can be nice too.02:11
* Unit193 isn't trying to start a debate, just wondering. :D02:11
wrstUnit193: I suspect they will go upstart02:12
netritiousUnit193: I have no opinon until my installations break on a dist-upgrade02:12
Unit193wrst: I'm still unsure about that, seems like less on that side of the fence.02:13
wrstI have went through a switch from sysv to both upstart and systemd the transition to upstart broke my server02:13
wrstI have a rather negative view of it02:14
wrstsystemd migration was just a minor annoyance02:14
wrstbut on new systems as long as it works it doesn't seen to be such a deal to me02:15
wrstUnit193: was that around 9.04 that upstart come fully on the scene?02:17
Unit193http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ says "6.10"02:18
wrst9.10 when it was default boot up02:19
wrstthat was the server install that got hosed02:19
wrstthat update was horrible02:19
wrsthad stiff booting up out of order02:19
Unit193Pretty sure some things have changed since then, and pretty sure Debian wouldn't permit a breaking upgrade in stable, and that's what unstable is for.02:22
wrsttrue Unit19302:22
wrstI really think systemd has more technical upside but that being said it does so much that you could say it isn't in step with the philosophy of many small parts working together02:24
Unit193I'm trying not to comment much on either one here, in line with me not starting a debate and all. :)02:26
wrstUnit193: that is no fun02:29
Unit193Sure it is, you've read my ranting enough haven't you? :P02:30
wrstnah02:33
wrstUnit193: I like good arguments02:46
Unit193Are you saying mine are?02:46
wrstyes02:51
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netritiousTGIF17:50
wrstnetritious: +117:50
wrstif it is appropriate to +1 in irc :)17:50
netritiouswrst: +117:56
netritious;)17:56
wrstha ha ha :)17:57
cyberangermy friday was on monday18:04
wrstthat's nice on monday at least :)18:06
cyberangerexactly my point, this is my monday18:07
cyberangerugh18:07
cyberangerblack friday coming up too, time to ditch retail18:17
wrstcyberanger: hopefully soon?18:17
cyberangerthree weeks18:17
wrstawesome18:17
cyberangeras for ditching retail, less clear18:18
cyberangerbut hopefully about the same time18:18
netritiouswhat are you doing in three weeks cyberanger?18:20
cyberangermoving again, two job offers on the table, leaning towards a sysadmin position in downtown buffalo18:21
cyberangerin a datacenter18:21
cyberangerthat's the idea at least18:23
cyberangerboth would want me to start on the 1st of december if I accept18:24
cyberangererr, the 1st week of dec. I should say18:24
netritiouscongrats!18:32
cyberangerthanks18:32
cyberangeridk if I'm accepting it yet, bad timing18:39
netritiouswell I hope things work out...sounds like a couple of great opprotunities18:48
cyberangerthanks, yeah a datacenter and a hospital IT dept.18:50

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