[00:22] <wrst> netritious, mate... that's so 2002 of you ;)
[00:25] <netritious> lol..it /is/ gnome2 right? or forked gnome2?
[00:27] <Unit193> Except, it doesn't seem to move.
[01:32] <wrst> Unit193: isn't that the point of mate?
[01:36] <Unit193> To stagnate?
[01:39] <wrst> yep
[01:39] <wrst> I mean if your goal is to keep the experience of dated software isn't that really the point?
[01:40] <netritious> mate is just the UI...the base is debian 7 testing
[01:40] <netritious> after dist-upgrade of LMDE that is
[01:40] <netritious> so packages aren't /that/ old
[01:41] <netritious> this laptop is working very well atm...much better than Windows XP :P
[01:42] <Unit193> Debian 7 is stable, if 7 is wheezy.
[01:44] <netritious> then sid now that it's post upgrade, correct?
[01:45] <Unit193> Sid is always unstable, jessie is testing of course.
[01:46] <netritious> roger, had to look that up. I couldn't remember the naming convention lol
[01:47] <Unit193> Heeey, what do I know?  I'm just a stupid Ubuntu user. ;)
[01:48] <netritious> Unit193: why is "debian 7 testing" incorrect? Just trying to understand.
[01:49] <Unit193> Because "Debian 7" = Wheezy, which is stable, therefor not testing.
[01:52] <netritious> SO I just should have left out the "7" lol
[01:52] <netritious> "debian testing" would have been accurate, right?
[01:52] <wrst> Unit193: I thought Debian came in 3 flavors, old, stale and rusty ?
[01:52] <netritious> just making sure i haven't lost my mind somewhere
[01:53] <Unit193> wrst: Shouldn't your logic be: Stale, almost stale, almost current, broken?
[01:53] <Unit193> netritious: Right-o
[01:53]  * Unit193 runs a host using testing, stable enough for a server.
[01:54] <Unit193> Can you define "server"?
[01:54] <wrst> Unit193: my vps is on stable
[01:55] <netritious> "testing, stable" ... so two different hosts or...?
[01:56] <wrst> host?
[01:57] <netritious> wait I read that wrong lol
[01:57] <wrst> ha ha
[01:57] <Unit193> Loki is on testing, but the host is functional and without problems?
[01:57] <Unit193> :P
[01:58] <Unit193> (Well, not OS related.)
[01:59] <wrst> I have thought about rolling my vps to testing but packages aren't painfully old... yet
[02:00] <wrst> netritious: I have KitKat on my phone... I mention that just to get cyberanger going :;
[02:03] <Unit193> wrst: Yes, because wheezy was recently released.
[02:03] <Unit193> netritious: Where do you sit when it comes to initd?
[02:10] <wrst> Unit193: I usually sit in a chair
[02:11] <Unit193> wrst: Floor isn't always bad, window can be nice too.
[02:11]  * Unit193 isn't trying to start a debate, just wondering. :D
[02:12] <wrst> Unit193: I suspect they will go upstart
[02:12] <netritious> Unit193: I have no opinon until my installations break on a dist-upgrade
[02:13] <Unit193> wrst: I'm still unsure about that, seems like less on that side of the fence.
[02:13] <wrst> I have went through a switch from sysv to both upstart and systemd the transition to upstart broke my server
[02:14] <wrst> I have a rather negative view of it
[02:14] <wrst> systemd migration was just a minor annoyance
[02:15] <wrst> but on new systems as long as it works it doesn't seen to be such a deal to me
[02:17] <wrst> Unit193: was that around 9.04 that upstart come fully on the scene?
[02:18] <Unit193> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ says "6.10"
[02:19] <wrst> 9.10 when it was default boot up
[02:19] <wrst> that was the server install that got hosed
[02:19] <wrst> that update was horrible
[02:19] <wrst> had stiff booting up out of order
[02:22] <Unit193> Pretty sure some things have changed since then, and pretty sure Debian wouldn't permit a breaking upgrade in stable, and that's what unstable is for.
[02:22] <wrst> true Unit193
[02:24] <wrst> I really think systemd has more technical upside but that being said it does so much that you could say it isn't in step with the philosophy of many small parts working together
[02:26] <Unit193> I'm trying not to comment much on either one here, in line with me not starting a debate and all. :)
[02:29] <wrst> Unit193: that is no fun
[02:30] <Unit193> Sure it is, you've read my ranting enough haven't you? :P
[02:33] <wrst> nah
[02:46] <wrst> Unit193: I like good arguments
[02:46] <Unit193> Are you saying mine are?
[02:51] <wrst> yes
[05:35] <Omnifrog|pond> woof
[17:50] <netritious> TGIF
[17:50] <wrst> netritious: +1
[17:50] <wrst> if it is appropriate to +1 in irc :)
[17:56] <netritious> wrst: +1
[17:56] <netritious> ;)
[17:57] <wrst> ha ha ha :)
[18:04] <cyberanger> my friday was on monday
[18:06] <wrst> that's nice on monday at least :)
[18:07] <cyberanger> exactly my point, this is my monday
[18:07] <cyberanger> ugh
[18:17] <cyberanger> black friday coming up too, time to ditch retail
[18:17] <wrst> cyberanger: hopefully soon?
[18:17] <cyberanger> three weeks
[18:17] <wrst> awesome
[18:18] <cyberanger> as for ditching retail, less clear
[18:18] <cyberanger> but hopefully about the same time
[18:20] <netritious> what are you doing in three weeks cyberanger?
[18:21] <cyberanger> moving again, two job offers on the table, leaning towards a sysadmin position in downtown buffalo
[18:21] <cyberanger> in a datacenter
[18:23] <cyberanger> that's the idea at least
[18:24] <cyberanger> both would want me to start on the 1st of december if I accept
[18:24] <cyberanger> err, the 1st week of dec. I should say
[18:32] <netritious> congrats!
[18:32] <cyberanger> thanks
[18:39] <cyberanger> idk if I'm accepting it yet, bad timing
[18:48] <netritious> well I hope things work out...sounds like a couple of great opprotunities
[18:50] <cyberanger> thanks, yeah a datacenter and a hospital IT dept.