[05:35] <Squirm> morning
[05:35] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos Good Morning
[05:35] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:57] <Kilos> morning Squirm 
[05:57] <magespawn> good morning Kilos 
[05:57] <Kilos> ohi magespawn 
[05:58] <Kilos> konversation takes a while to see who isnt away
[05:58] <Kilos> whew many aways today
[05:59] <Kilos> hi spinza welcome to ubuntu-za
[05:59] <Squirm> morning
[06:00]  * Kilos watching and hoping kde fix a bug quick
[06:01] <Kilos> hi mazal bduk1 
[06:09] <bduk1> Morning Kilos  and everyone
[06:10] <mazal> More oom Kilos 
[06:10] <mazal> Morning Squirm , magespawn 
[06:17] <magespawn> hey mazal
[06:18] <Trixar_za> Morning Squirm, Kilos, magespawn, mazal and bduk1
[06:19] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[06:19] <Squirm> hi Trixar_za 
[06:19] <Trixar_za> They fixed the bug that was causing the crash on the IRCd
[06:19] <Trixar_za> :)
[06:19] <Squirm> nice
[06:19] <Trixar_za> It was the oper_autojoin that was the problem
[06:19] <Squirm> oh
[06:19] <Kilos> good
[06:19] <Squirm> fun
[06:20] <Trixar_za> [08:15:39][Niichan] it was introduced with away-notify, channel joins by autojoin_opers don't have a full client structure somehow [23:36:33]
[06:20] <Trixar_za> [08:15:39][Niichan] (in the channel join function) [23:36:46]
[06:20] <Trixar_za> [08:15:39][Niichan] and it says that the autojoin_opers joins break bans (which they don't) [23:37:08]
[06:20] <Trixar_za> ^
[06:22] <mazal> Morning Trixar_za 
[06:27] <Squirm> wondering if help can be given
[06:28] <Squirm> how would I log a mac address, along with the corresponding IP address
[06:28] <Squirm> I would like it to log all the IP addresses associated with that one mac address
[06:31] <Squirm> so if the user had to change his address, I would know he has done so and what address he is at now
[06:31] <Squirm> they are obviously using static addresses and all go through a gateway server
[06:31] <magespawn> Squirm, then how does the user change the ip address?
[06:32] <Squirm> by modifying the IP address on their phone/computer themselves?
[06:32] <magespawn> can you not lock the ip to the mac address on the router
[06:33] <Squirm> not the way I have things setup
[06:33] <Squirm> my knowledge of iptables only goes so far
[06:33] <Trixar_za> http://www.lfgcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lfg2616-720-nov07-13.gif
[06:33] <Trixar_za> Ah Richard, you so funny
[06:33]  * Squirm kicks Trixar_za 
[06:34] <Squirm> I thought it was relevant
[06:34] <magespawn> on most routers they allow you to dhcp the same address to the pc based on its mac address
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Nope, but it's funny so it's always relevant
[06:34] <Squirm> magespawn: but that's dhcp
[06:34] <Squirm> these are static addresses
[06:36] <magespawn> yes understood, of you change the router to dhcp but have it assign them statically according to mac, not a real answer to your question
[06:37] <Trixar_za> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2010816/get-remote-mac-address-using-python-and-linux
[06:37] <Trixar_za> *coff*
[06:37] <Squirm> Trixar_za: the machine can't run python
[06:37] <Trixar_za> My google-fu might be slipping though
[06:37] <Squirm> it's IPCop
[06:37] <Squirm> a very stripped down BSD system
[06:37] <Squirm> built to be as secure as possible
[06:37] <Trixar_za> Perl?
[06:38] <Squirm> that may work
[06:38] <Squirm> yes
[06:38] <magespawn> Squirm IPcop is your router?
[06:38] <Squirm> that will work
[06:38] <Trixar_za> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=68380
[06:38] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:38] <Squirm> magespawn: I did say Gateway server :P
[06:38] <Squirm> but basically, yes
[06:38] <magespawn> sorry my bad
[06:39] <magespawn> was thinking something like a linksys etc.
[06:39] <Squirm> Trixar_za: problem is, I don't want to input any ip addresses
[06:39] <Squirm> that's why I think it needs to be done with iptables
[06:40] <Trixar_za> You have no MAC address and no IP, yet you want to grab both as the IP changes? Oo
[06:41] <Squirm> ok
[06:41] <Squirm> as a packet passes through the server
[06:41] <Squirm> it has both mac address and IP address attached
[06:41] <Squirm> I want t write those to a file
[06:41] <Squirm> for every packet
[06:42] <Squirm> so when someone does change their Ip address, I will be able to see that the mac address is the same
[06:42] <Squirm> but the IP is different
[06:42] <Squirm> I wrote a bash script restricting access to the internet
[06:42] <Squirm> people have found a loophole
[06:42] <Squirm> and it's bugging the hell out of me
[06:42] <Squirm> s/people/students
[06:43] <Squirm> I was impressed with the guy who discovered it, but now I've banned 7 mac addresses, in the past 3 days
[06:43] <Squirm> now I'm annoyed
[06:43] <gerritfromsa> Squirm, you'll have to run a man-in-the-middle to do this succesfully
[06:43] <Trixar_za> Ah, so package filtering and logging
[06:43] <Squirm> by banned I mean I just drop the outgoing traffic by mac
[06:43] <gerritfromsa> the you can use tshark to scan the packet and awk out the mac and ip
[06:44] <Trixar_za> Hehehe
[06:44] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: my problem is a bit with IPCop
[06:44] <Squirm> it's very limited in capability
[06:44] <Squirm> so I had to learn bash :/
[06:44] <Trixar_za> Squirm, remember how you found a few loopholes while you where there?
[06:44] <Trixar_za> Karma hey
[06:44] <Squirm> Trixar_za: my bash script it 530 lines
[06:44] <Squirm> :/
[06:44] <gerritfromsa> You you have some money you can use a Ethernet TAP to capture - it's safer to use to capture
[06:44] <Squirm> you know how long it took me to learn bash
[06:45] <Squirm> well, not long, but it was about 3 days of coding :/
[06:45] <Squirm> pretty solid days
[06:45] <gerritfromsa> that script should be like 50 lines max
[06:45] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: not what I've done with it
[06:46] <Squirm> it's basically a quota system
[06:46] <gerritfromsa> gothca
[06:46] <Squirm> so it restricts internet access
[06:46] <Squirm> and it applies a set quota to those that are allowed
[06:46] <Squirm> which reset daily
[06:46] <gerritfromsa> writing to DB ?
[06:46] <Squirm> monitors the iptables' packet counter
[06:46] <Squirm> na, just watches the counter
[06:47] <Squirm> then at the end of they day zeros all counters
[06:49] <Squirm> I would have been so much happier and my code would have been so much neater if it had been done in python :/
[06:49] <Squirm> but it works
[06:49] <Squirm> worked*
[06:49] <Squirm> brainwave
[06:49] <Squirm> bbl
[06:54] <Squirm> :/
[06:54] <Squirm> you can only use mac addresses in PREROUTING/OUTPUT
[06:54] <Squirm> not in a user created chain :/
[06:57] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[06:57] <Kilos> morning gerritfromsa 
[07:00] <gerritfromsa> morning
[07:01] <Kilos> nice to see you here daily
[07:01] <Squirm> morning kbmonkey 
[07:01] <gerritfromsa> this week yes but next week in jhb I'll be MIA
[07:01] <Kilos> what you gonna do up here?
[07:02] <Kilos> and for how long
[07:02] <gerritfromsa> my offices is in midrand
[07:02] <gerritfromsa> 2 weeks
[07:02] <gerritfromsa> final stretch this year ...
[07:02] <Kilos> well hopefully you remember us when you get back
[07:03] <Kilos> final stretch?
[07:03] <Kilos> you studying?
[07:03] <gerritfromsa> final stretch then holiday
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> we are here throughout
[07:04] <gerritfromsa> that why i dig irc on my droid ...
[07:04] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[07:04] <Kilos> ah
[07:05] <nlsthzn> alo
[07:05] <Squirm> another mac dropped
[07:05] <Squirm> DIE
[07:05] <Squirm> :)
[07:06] <mazal> Looks like Squirm is enjoying himself :)
[07:06] <Squirm> mazal: not anymore
[07:06] <Squirm> they're annoying me :/
[07:06] <Squirm> and I can't find out who some of the mac addresses belong to
[07:07] <mazal> Annoy them back , install Win8
[07:07] <Kilos> haha
[07:07] <Squirm> I have 4/7 usernames
[07:07] <Squirm> that's 7 people in 3 days
[07:07] <Squirm> :/
[07:07] <Squirm> stupid school
[07:07] <Squirm> word passes like wildfire
[07:08] <gerritfromsa> use wireshark to see if they haven't visited fakebook and track them that way 
[07:08] <Kilos> is it kids that want internet access Squirm ?
[07:08] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: http traffic is logged
[07:08] <Squirm> but all the facebook URLs are weird
[07:08] <Squirm> and unfriendly
[07:08] <Squirm> :P
[07:09]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:09] <Squirm> there addresses are blocked
[07:09] <Squirm> so if they come and say there internet is broken
[07:09] <Squirm> well, then we know
[07:09] <Kilos> poor chillens
[07:09] <Squirm> pfft
[07:09] <Squirm> it's their fault
[07:09] <Squirm> they think I'm stupid
[07:09] <Kilos> spoiling all their fun
[07:09] <Squirm> :/
[07:10] <Squirm> it was really fun the first time
[07:10] <Squirm> I was impressed
[07:10] <Squirm> and surprised
[07:10] <Squirm> and happy
[07:10] <gerritfromsa> bottle-neck them !
[07:10] <Squirm> and then he died
[07:10] <Squirm> well, his internet died
[07:10] <Squirm> :)
[07:10] <Squirm> that was fun
[07:10] <Kilos> its a good sign thought that there are clever kids there
[07:10] <Squirm> Kilos: there was 1 clever kid
[07:10] <Squirm> the rest would have found out from him :P
[07:11] <Kilos> oh is he sharing the how to
[07:11] <Squirm> it did push my cred up with the kids quite a bit
[07:11] <Squirm> not that I care
[07:11] <Squirm> :P
[07:11] <Kilos> hehe
[07:11] <Squirm> because the ban message comes up when they open their browser
[07:11] <Kilos> you one of the evil adults now
[07:12] <Squirm> once they're banned, all there http traffic is redirected to a page asking for them to bring us biltong
[07:12] <Kilos> lol
[07:12] <gerritfromsa> mac spoofing where we come ...
[07:12] <Kilos> maybe they will, worth a try
[07:13] <Kilos> you will end up tired of biltong
[07:13] <Trixar_za> I endorse this message of giving a root his biltong
[07:14] <gerritfromsa> got a graving for biltong all of a sudden?
[07:14] <Kilos> its actually quite funny
[07:14] <Kilos> craving
[07:14] <Trixar_za> Yes
[07:14] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:14] <gerritfromsa> graving = craving with gravy ;)
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:15] <Trixar_za> Bribery is fine as long as it's biltong
[07:15] <Kilos> eeek gravy on tong
[07:15] <Trixar_za> I'd probably act indigent and still take the biltong as compensation
[07:16] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:16] <Kilos> yeah
[07:16]  * Kilos loves tong
[07:16] <Kilos> hard to eat with no teeth but one can suck it to death
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:20] <Vince-0> !
[07:20] <Kilos> mazal: why not use aptitude instead of apt-get in your script
[07:21] <Kilos> aptitude does more
[07:22] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: I can promise you know
[07:22] <Squirm> not one person here will know how to spoof a mac address
[07:22] <Kilos> as in with a clean install you run apt-get upgrade then you get the update manager popping up and showing there are more upgrades
[07:22] <mazal> I don't know aptitude and it automatically removes packages as it likes
[07:22] <mazal> I don't like that
[07:22] <Kilos> i havent had aptitude make mistakes yet
[07:22] <nlsthzn> apt-get has super cow powers
[07:22] <Kilos> but it asks before removing them
[07:23] <gerritfromsa> I dont believe that , its a Linux channel at least a few will know
[07:23] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: at the school
[07:23] <mazal> I don't like to use things in a unattended script that automatically removes stuff
[07:23] <Kilos> ya but apt-get done get the linux stuffs which aptitude does
[07:23] <gerritfromsa> oh maybe so , but they can google it
[07:23] <gerritfromsa> they all using windows?
[07:24] <gerritfromsa> without admin rights?
[07:25] <sakhi_> Morning
[07:25] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[07:25] <mazal> Oh btw Kilos , Unity still broken after this morning's kernel update. Was kinda hoping that it will fix it
[07:26] <Kilos> eish
[07:26] <mazal> April must come fast !!
[07:26] <Kilos> my 12.04 is running well with no probs
[07:26] <Kilos> you did something wrong there man
[07:26] <Squirm> gerritfromsa: we have a BYOD policy
[07:26] <Squirm> so we have labs, which are locked down and restricted
[07:27] <Squirm> but students can also have computers in the dorms
[07:28] <gerritfromsa> Students can be bad yes
[07:29] <Squirm> they are restricted
[07:30] <nlsthzn> there is currently a bug with unity freezing (read something about that this morning actually)
[07:30] <nlsthzn> in 13.10
[07:30] <gerritfromsa> brb - breakfast
[07:43] <Kilos> mazal: did you reinstall your graphics driver?
[07:43] <Kilos> after the kernel upgrade that messed up your unity
[07:44] <Kilos> type additional in the dash
[07:45] <Kilos> haha mazal you joined the list too late to know about the fight with top posting
[07:46] <Kilos> better to bottom post or if answering some mail do it inline
[07:46] <Kilos> and trim the excess of the mail too
[07:46] <Kilos> keep only relevant stuff
[07:47] <Kilos> off
[07:48] <mazal> Kilos, I don't install graphics drivers. More trouble than worth
[07:49] <Kilos> oh
[07:49] <Kilos> ya they need reinstalls after big upgrades
[07:49] <Kilos> but everything works better with them
[07:49] <mazal> And break iso and break multiple pc use on externals
[07:50] <Kilos> ai!
[07:50] <mazal> I don't even bother with that anymore
[07:51] <Kilos> i was thinking that could be the reason you unity-desktop aint working properly
[07:52] <Kilos> we have tried everything else
[07:52] <mazal> Nope , it works fine like that and was working fine. It's an update that broke it
[07:53] <magespawn> i am trying to install unetbootin, it is failing when trying to fetch the translations from za.archive.ubuntu.com, anyone know if there is a problem?
[07:54] <Kilos> magespawn: you can try wget what you want then use unetbootin locally
[07:54] <Kilos> or maybe the morror is sick
[07:54] <Kilos> the fly been having probs
[07:55] <Kilos> s/morror/mirror
[07:56] <magespawn> maybe it gets all the files except the translations
[07:59] <Kilos> i always first get the iso then do unetbootin
[08:00] <mazal> What services/apps use and affect searching for docs and apps in Unity ?
[08:00] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:00] <mazal> Maybe one of those apps is not lekker in the background
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[08:01] <mazal> Doesn't it use zeitgeist maybe ?
[08:02] <mazal> I see for some reason my zeitgeist isn't installed anymore
[08:06] <mazal> I see activity journal also only works when it wants to :(
[08:09] <Kilos> qahi
[08:09] <Kilos> ai!
[08:16] <Kilos> wb SilverCode 
[08:18] <mazal> grr
[08:20] <Kilos> wat nou?
[08:39] <mazal> I installed my unity and in there also ensured that " show recent apps " are enabled. But still no luck
[08:39] <mazal> App lens still no recent items and file lens still can't search
[08:41] <Vince-0> Fedora!
[08:41] <Vince-0> *runs away
[08:41] <Kilos> you sure you have it turned on?
[08:41] <mazal> Nooo Vince-0 , then I have to start learning from scratch again lol
[08:41] <Kilos> wassup Vince-0 ?
[08:43] <Kilos> lemme go to unity
[08:43] <Kilos> wbb
[08:46] <Vince-0> work work
[08:46] <Vince-0> also, http://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/friday-free-software-directory-irc-meetup-november-8 tonight
[08:46] <Vince-0> gnome shell is way better than unity
[08:50] <mazal> I can try it mos on Ubuntu ?
[08:51] <mazal> Seen some stuff on the net somewhere some day long ago on how to install it :P
[08:51] <Vince-0> ooh, I dunno. Ubuntu's desktops are so broken but you can always switch back I guess
[08:51] <mazal> I will image first
[08:52] <mazal> Have very paranoid backups always
[08:55] <Kilos> grrr these modems that work then dont
[08:55] <Kilos> hi spinza welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:20] <Kilos> wbb gonna fight modem
[09:42] <spinza> Thanks Kilos 
[09:43] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself spinza  like what OS you using and if you need help or if you have come to give help to new peeps
[09:44] <Kilos> and where you are and work etc
[09:45] <Kilos> we help here with all linux systems
[09:49] <Kilos> http://businesstech.co.za/news/internet/49071/telkom-mobile-internet-at-r4-per-month/
[09:54] <Kilos> i see mweb has also jumped in on the mobile data scene
[09:54] <Kilos> http://www.mweb.co.za/productspricing/2/Home/3G/MWEBMobileData.aspx
[10:05] <Kilos> wb mazal what did you break?
[10:06] <mazal> Rather ask what did Ubuntu break again
[10:06] <mazal> So I installed gnome-shell
[10:06] <mazal> Major fail
[10:06] <mazal> Just freezes up
[10:06] <Kilos> ai!
[10:07] <mazal> And I did it using a guide specifically for 12.04
[10:08] <Kilos> lol those guides have often dropped me in the deep end
[10:09] <mazal> At this stage it's just the one Ubuntu fail after another. Hurts to say , but is the truth
[10:09] <mazal> brb , gonna load back my image to get back where I were
[10:09] <Kilos> something is wrong on that instalation man
[10:18] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[10:19] <Xethron> Day Say 
[10:19] <Xethron> (Dagsê)
[10:20] <Kilos> hehe
[10:22] <mazal> Dankie tog vir Redo imaging
[10:22] <Kilos> als reg nou?
[10:22] <mazal> Nee ek is net terug waar ek was voor ek gnome3 probeer het
[10:22] <Kilos> how do you do it
[10:22] <Kilos> ah
[10:23] <mazal> Made image before I tried , loaded back image now
[10:23] <Kilos> you should reinstall there man. cant keep on sukkeling
[10:24] <mazal> Don't have time for that. Updates shouldn't break the system
[10:24] <Kilos> you got something corrupt there if it keeps adding probs
[10:25] <mazal> Will concider it when I'm on leave later the year. Takes long to re-install
[10:25] <Kilos> if it was a faulty upgrade then there will be lotsa peeps moaning
[10:25] <Kilos> where is your remastersys iso
[10:26] <Kilos> thats a quick install
[10:26] <Kilos> up and running in an hour
[10:26] <Kilos> even upgraded
[10:27] <Kilos> just dont make one of the system as it is now
[10:27] <mazal> Ya that will be plan A
[10:27] <mazal> Problem is if plan a fails then it's complete re-install
[10:27] <mazal> But I guess I could always just load back the image I made now if plan A fails as well
[10:28] <Kilos> lol
[10:28] <Kilos> but thats reloading the same faulty thing
[10:29] <mazal> Better than 3 nights of re-install
[10:29] <mazal> The problem is not big enough to warrant that
[10:30] <Kilos> try turning off that goodie for a day and then opening it again
[10:31] <Kilos> that recent files thing
[10:34] <mazal> Busy installing installing advanced settings. Will check if I can find something with that
[10:34] <Kilos> and/or even delete that history
[10:34] <Kilos> in privacy in settings
[10:34] <mazal> I wonder what will happen if I delete everything in home an login
[10:35] <Kilos> no man thats a major job
[10:35] <mazal> hehehehe
[10:35] <Kilos> easier to reinstall
[10:35] <Kilos> look in settings
[10:35] <Kilos> you must have privacy there
[10:36] <mazal> Don't have much hope for this advanced settings tool. Is more a gnome3 tool. Not really unity tool
[10:36] <Kilos> man the privacy setting must be there
[10:37] <Kilos> with no advanced nothing
[10:37] <Kilos> all settings in the top row is privacy
[10:37] <mazal> Yeah those I know off , been there already last week. Everything looks normal there
[10:37] <Kilos> dont look man
[10:38] <Kilos> delete history
[10:38] <mazal> Already tried that
[10:38] <Kilos> and turning it off?
[10:38] <Kilos> then leave it off and switch on at next boot
[10:39] <mazal> Switched off and will off for a bit
[10:40] <mazal> Ag nee now it wants to reboot again
[10:41] <Kilos> hahaha 
[10:41] <Kilos> you done something funny there
[10:45] <Kilos> wb mazal 
[10:48] <mazal> Ek dink ek gaan my nou maar eerder loop oorgee aan kos
[10:49] <Kilos> lol
[10:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how long are you on leave for
[11:04] <nlsthzn> starting again the last week-end of November
[11:22] <spin_> Kilos: sorry didn't reply earlier.  Just want to learn more about ubuntu.  Based in CT. Not in IT. 
[11:29] <Trixar_za> OpenSuse user?
[11:45] <Kilos> spinza, just ask and someone will help with whatever you need to know
[11:45] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[11:46] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[11:46] <psyatw> hi spinza
[11:46] <psyatw> CT = Connecticut USA?
[11:46] <psyatw> hi Trixar_za
[11:47] <Kilos> cape town
[11:48] <Trixar_za> Hey psyatw
[11:48] <psyatw> oh
[11:48] <psyatw> I didn´t think of that
[11:49] <Kilos> haha
[12:02] <Kilos> hi space
[12:03] <space> Hi.
[12:12] <mazal> CT , daar waar die Curry Cup nie staan nie
[12:16] <Kilos> haha
[12:16] <Kilos> go sharks
[12:22] <bduk1> Kilos: are you the only one here knowing something bout rugby or are the others still wondering what is a kerrie koppie?
[12:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:23] <Kilos> i was told long ago that geeks dont do sport
[12:23] <Kilos> only neelsie mage and i seem to have any interest
[12:23] <mazal> En ekke
[12:24] <Kilos> en mazal 
[12:24] <mazal> Dis hoekom ek nie my unity gefix kry nie , want ek like sport :P
[12:24] <Kilos> nee man myne werk goed
[12:25] <Kilos> jy peuter te veel
[12:25] <mazal> issie
[12:25] <Kilos> here is an idea
[12:25] <mazal> Dit was 'n update
[12:25] <Kilos> open synaptic 
[12:26] <Kilos> tick edit and choose fix broken
[12:26] <bduk1> Ek is ook nie sport mal nie. like dit net as die Charks of die Cheethas wen. Veral die bulle en wp.
[12:26] <Kilos> maybe you lucky
[12:26] <mazal> Or maybe it breaks the bit that is still working
[12:26] <Kilos> no man
[12:27] <Kilos> you can also use synaptic to mark all upgrades and install them, then it will tell you if something isnt good
[12:28] <bduk1> mazal: jy wil nou maar netnie erken dat jy na windowzzz verlang nie
[12:28] <mazal> Ish
[12:28] <Kilos> haha
[12:28] <mazal> Suddenly I have a headache
[12:29] <mazal> Kilos, maybe 14.04 will be a good time to go over to K
[12:30] <mazal> Problem is , I don't know it at all , so would like to first install in a test partition. But how are we gonna iso that when I'm happy with it ?
[12:30] <Kilos> k is good in 13.10
[12:31] <mazal> I don't like to install something new on my main working partition
[12:31] <Kilos> took some setting up but its really good and fast now
[13:04] <inetpro> goeie middag
[13:04] <Trixar_za> Middag inetpro
[13:05] <mazal> Enjoy your weekend everyone
[13:05] <mazal> Cheers
[13:10] <spinza> psyatw: hi 
[13:13] <spinza> Kilos: thanks,  only ubuntu question I have had recently is whether upgrading to 13.10 messes up services and other things installed on 13.04 and what is the best strategy to avoid this happening? 
[13:14] <magespawn> hey spinza
[13:32] <Kilos> spinza, if you are on 12.04 then stay there till 14.04
[13:32] <Kilos> 13.04 support stops in december so you might not have a choice
[13:33] <Kilos> sorry i didnt read the whole post first
[13:33] <Kilos> you running unity i take it?
[13:35] <Kilos> first let us give you commands to rsync your existing /home to a folder on a stick or external. then if upgrading messes up anything you can easily reinstall 13.04 and not lose any settings or so
[13:39] <inetpro> spinza: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[13:42] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[13:42] <Kilos> sorry was working outside
[13:43] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[13:44] <inetpro> how's the weather?
[13:44] <Kilos> lekker hot
[13:44] <Kilos> light clouds only
[13:44]  * inetpro enjoys the air conditioned office 
[13:44] <Kilos> ninnie
[15:16] <magespawn> i am off home, chat later all
[15:16] <Kilos> go safe
[16:01] <kbmonkey> hi kil	
[16:01] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[16:02] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[16:02] <Kilos> what happened you missed the tab key?
[16:03] <kbmonkey> that happens when I press tab and enter on a slow connection. lol
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <Kilos> as a matter of interest mweb gone mobile
[16:04] <Kilos> lemme get you the link
[16:04] <Kilos> quite cheap for data for us small peeps
[16:04] <Kilos> http://www.mweb.co.za/productspricing/2/Home/3G/MWEBMobileData.aspx
[16:05] <Kilos> only R10 more than the 8ta 2+1 but its anytime
[16:06] <kbmonkey> oh okay, thanks Kilos - I think I am happy for the moment. is it on a contract?
[16:07] <Kilos> nope
[16:07] <Kilos> they have contracts as well
[16:08] <Kilos> hehe and telkom mobile is selling a starter pack for R49 with 200m free for a year
[16:08] <kbmonkey> I hope telkom mobile falls flat on it's face
[16:08] <kbmonkey> hahaha
[16:10] <Kilos> no man
[16:11] <Kilos> and the sim can do 3g/lte
[16:20] <Kilos> is that mweb month to month contract the same thing as prepaid?
[16:21] <kbmonkey> I would not know to be honest
[16:21] <kbmonkey> all I know is I got me some wine :D
[16:22] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> wine and linux dont mix
[16:24] <kbmonkey> how about WINE? 
[16:25] <kbmonkey> huh huh? got you there ;)
[16:26] <Kilos> haha
[16:27] <Kilos> WINE might be good for cooking with according to some chefs but i dunno what else
[16:30] <kbmonkey> I like to cook with wine. I put it in the food too, sometimes.
[17:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:55] <kbmonkey> it was storming today. or was that yesterday? it rained a lot for a short while
[17:59] <kbmonkey> what is for dinner Kilos ?
[18:00] <Kilos> we got cully and lice
[18:00] <Kilos> oh im not chinese
[18:00] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:03] <kbmonkey> I go make veg burgers now. I do not think it is chinese either
[18:04] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you don't eat meat?
[18:04] <inetpro> Guten Abend!
[18:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, hoe goes it?
[18:06] <Kilos> its goes good here ty and there?
[18:06] <inetpro> also cool thanks
[18:06] <inetpro> hot but cool
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> maybe a bit of rain tomorrow
[18:07] <inetpro> let's hope so
[18:07] <Kilos> you aircon peeps cant handle decent weather
[18:07] <inetpro> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> 33°c tomorrow
[18:08] <inetpro> youch!
[18:08] <Kilos> i love this compose key thing
[18:08] <Kilos> not many peeps make that °
[18:09] <Kilos> too lazy maybe
[18:09] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:10] <inetpro> this is B I G news
[18:10] <inetpro> well maybe, maybe not
[18:10] <Kilos> what?
[18:10] <inetpro> WhatsApp Coming to Firefox OS – Could Ubuntu Touch Be Next? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/whatsapp-on-firefox-os-ubuntu-touch
[18:10] <inetpro> WhatsApp Goes WebApp
[18:10] <Kilos> yay ill go for that and even use firefox
[18:11] <tumbleweed> far more worrying story http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/
[18:11] <inetpro> very inteersting if you ask me
[18:12] <inetpro> tumbleweed: wow!
[18:12] <tumbleweed> it's had this amusing result, so far
[18:12] <tumbleweed> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debmirror.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcd972395b0201fcde4915d282982926f0d04c56;hp=7fcdf0d225c480b386c5a1f487e68dc39b57e771
[18:13] <Kilos> oh not firefox the browser
[18:13] <Kilos> sigh
[18:14] <inetpro> sjow
[18:16] <Kilos> i didnt like that amazon searching thing anyway
[18:17] <kbmonkey> inetpro, correct, I don't.
[18:18] <kbmonkey> and I must say, there is a whole world of food that is undiscovered, it is amazing
[18:19] <Kilos> whew no meat. no wonder you got that bleached blonde look
[18:19]  * Kilos joking
[18:19] <inetpro> tumbleweed: tricky situation indedd
[18:19] <inetpro> indeed*
[18:20] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos  ;)
[18:20] <Kilos> meat and sugar are actually the main contributors to cancer i think i read somewhere
[18:21] <Kilos> but meat be very lekker
[18:21] <Kilos> and who wants to die healthy
[18:21] <kbmonkey> I have pesto schitznel burger and fresh cherries
[18:22] <kbmonkey> don't forget the wine ;)
[18:22] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <inetpro> tumbleweed: that search functionality should really have been switched off by default from the beginning
[18:24] <inetpro> have they change it in the latest release?
[18:24] <inetpro> changed*
[18:25]  * inetpro should actually try the latest release
[18:25] <inetpro> just wish bandwidth was not so costly
[18:26] <Kilos> ai!
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe whatsapp will wake up on one sunny day in the future to release something that can work on the PC
[18:30] <inetpro> would be nice if we could find a connector of sorts to whatsapp users from within IRC
[18:32]  * inetpro noticed just about every Tom, Dick and Harry using whatsapp these days 
[18:49] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:50] <inetpro> kilos fell off the planet?
[19:03] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[19:04]  * inetpro thought he fell off the planet
[19:04] <Kilos> ty inetpro stupid e220 timeout
[19:04] <Kilos> then i gotta unplug it before it will dial out again
[19:05] <Kilos> grrr
[19:05] <inetpro> at least you found your way back 
[19:05] <Kilos> need to find out how to make pc ping something every 15 mins or so
[19:05] <Kilos> haha
[19:06] <Kilos> is our mirror sick?
[19:06] <Kilos> took forever with 24m downloads today
[19:06] <Kilos> and langjan complained on the lists as well
[19:07] <inetpro> I also noticed so weird slowness today
[19:08] <Kilos> his took 6 hours to get halfway on a 53 meg upgrade
[19:09] <inetpro> that is bizarre 
[19:09] <inetpro> I wouldn't have waited that long for sure
[19:09] <inetpro> easy enough to change it
[19:10] <Kilos> ya but better to get someone to fix it
[19:10] <inetpro> ya but then you must complain to the right people
[19:11] <Kilos> thats where you come in
[19:11] <Kilos> who are they
[19:11] <inetpro> no
[19:11] <Kilos> ill try if i know who
[19:11] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[19:12] <inetpro> If you want to get in touch with other mirror-admins, feel free to join us at #ubuntu-mirrors on Freenode. Also, if you have questions, email us at mirrors@ubuntu.com. 
[19:12] <Kilos> ty sir
[19:13] <Kilos> do they do all the syncing and so on
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you asking?
[19:13] <Kilos> or could the prob be from that place Symmetria worked
[19:14] <Kilos> who fixes broken mirrors man
[19:14] <Kilos> or maintains them
[19:15] <Kilos> didnt Symmetria used to fix them for us before?
[19:15] <inetpro> the owners of the mirror sites
[19:15] <inetpro> they fix their own mirrors
[19:15] <inetpro> but at canonical there are people who manage these things
[19:16] <inetpro> read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#Country_mirror_requirements
[19:22] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you been on #ubuntu-mirrors fro some time, what's happening with our country mirror?
[19:22] <inetpro> for*
[19:23] <inetpro> or where do they actually talk about the mirrors?
[19:23] <inetpro> looks like the mailing list is not very active
[19:25] <Kilos> fix it quick i got over 70m upgrade on 13.10 kde after 11pm
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: after all these years you don't know how to change your repos?
[19:28] <inetpro> drussell: wb
[19:28] <Kilos> ya man ill use main
[19:28] <inetpro> nou praat ons!
[19:28] <Kilos> isnt that where the others sync from
[19:29] <inetpro> maar wag... watse main praat jy van?
[19:29] <drussell> inetpro: hey!
[19:29] <Kilos> in the states i think it is
[19:30] <inetpro> nee jy praat grieks
[19:30] <Kilos> but one can also let update manager look for the best one
[19:30] <inetpro> sê vir my wat jy verander
[19:30] <Kilos> i have done it in muon yet
[19:31] <Kilos> repos in update manager settings or in synaptic under repos
[19:31] <Kilos> i havent done it in muon
[19:31] <Kilos> prefer synaptic to muon anyway
[19:32] <Kilos> havent you ever seen update manager look for the best mirror?
[19:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:33]  * inetpro in case of trouble removes the za. in /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:33] <inetpro> I know that is the old ways
[19:33] <Kilos> no man
[19:33] <Kilos> lemme go to kde and look whats there
[19:34] <Kilos> gnome update manager can actually find the best mirror for you
[19:34] <Kilos> wbb
[19:36] <kbmonkey> are these debian repos or ubuntu?
[19:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:37] <Kilos> just over 2 mins to change drives
[19:40] <Kilos> yip our mirror is very sick
[19:41] <Kilos> muon update manager dont have the settings that gnome does
[19:41] <Kilos> grrr
[19:41] <kbmonkey> wb kilos
[19:41] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[19:41] <kbmonkey> muon? is that new?
[19:41] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ubuntu repositories
[19:41] <kbmonkey> if its debian repos you could swap them for other ones Kilos 
[19:41] <Kilos> its the kde package managers
[19:41] <kbmonkey> ah
[19:42] <kbmonkey> okay. kde is a bit large for my bandwidth.
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: kde doesn't use different repositories
[19:42] <inetpro> or do they now?
[19:43] <superfly> ohi from work
[19:43] <inetpro> superfly: why at work?
[19:43] <superfly> server migration
[19:43] <inetpro> hi anyway :-)
[19:43] <superfly> well, device migration, to be honest
[19:44] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[19:44] <inetpro> hope it goes well
[19:45] <kbmonkey> ouch, that sounds painful on a friday 
[19:45] <kbmonkey> coming from someone who likes to program for fun :p
[19:49] <kbmonkey> I can't believe I had to work on a windows machine this entire week. I feel so gross.
[19:51] <kbmonkey> must have spent about 30% of the time battling with stability issues, that is a *lot* when it comes to keeping a professional profile.
[19:52] <inetpro> kbmonkey: eish!
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[19:53] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos !
[19:53] <Kilos> change mirror and modem gets lost
[19:53] <Kilos> ip configuration is un available
[19:53] <Kilos> ty inetpro kbmonkey 
[19:54] <Kilos> where is the main server
[19:54] <inetpro> you mean physically? does it matter?
[19:55] <Kilos> lol
[19:55] <Kilos> i want to know if its the best one man
[19:55] <inetpro> nslookup archive.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <Kilos> i think all za mirrors are sick
[19:56] <Kilos> the fly had probs this week
[19:56] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[19:56] <Kilos> sorry didnt see you there
[19:57] <inetpro> I see that ^^ address pointing to at least 9 IP addresses 
[19:57] <kbmonkey> could it be a za 'ternet issue?
[19:57] <Kilos> so guys how do i make something in this pc ping something else to keep the modem active
[19:58] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you could add a cron job to ping google every 15 minutes XD
[19:58] <inetpro> za.archive.ubuntu.com is pointing to 196.220.59.84 and 41.73.43.3
[19:58] <Kilos> eish im scared of those things man
[19:58] <kbmonkey> but would it help?
[19:58] <inetpro> za.ubuntu-archive.africanmirrors.net and za.ubuntu-archive.africanmirrors.net
[19:58] <Kilos> its only when im away for a while it timesout
[19:58] <inetpro> at least from my point of view
[20:00] <Kilos> in an hours time ill tell you if main is a good one or not
[20:00] <inetpro> mtr -i 10 www.google.com
[20:00] <inetpro> that ^^ will ping / traceroute to google every 10 seconds
[20:01] <inetpro> until you hit ctrl+c
[20:01] <kbmonkey> hey the pro has got something there
[20:02] <inetpro> make it 60 to change the interval to once a minute
[20:03] <Kilos> wont that use data
[20:03] <inetpro> minimal, if i=60
[20:03] <Kilos> oh ty inetpro 
[20:04] <kbmonkey> a ping uses very little data
[20:04] <Kilos> without sudo?
[20:05] <inetpro> also minimal even without -i (default is 1 second) but please don't do that
[20:05] <inetpro> ICMP flooding is not very nice
[20:06] <inetpro> rephrase: flooding the network with ICMP packets would not be very friendly of you
[20:07] <Kilos> mtr -i 60 www.google.com
[20:07] <Kilos> isnt google gonna get cross
[20:07] <kbmonkey> ping sends 64 bytes, add some for the headers and receive packets. it is miniscule.
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: try with a low value first for a short period then use 60
[20:07] <Kilos> yeah i just watched iftop
[20:08] <Kilos> inetpro: reason?
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: you just want to keep your modem up, not?
[20:08] <kbmonkey> if you ping once a minute for 24 hours it uses 92kb
[20:08] <Kilos> yes
[20:09] <Kilos> yes it looks very thrifty
[20:10] <Kilos> i wonder where that timeout thing is in the e220
[20:10] <kbmonkey> 64 * 60 * 24 = 92160
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: an ICMP flood attack is a method of denial-of-service (or ‘DoS’) attack otherwise known as a ‘ping flood’
[20:12] <Kilos> yes but isnt the low number gonna ping them more often
[20:12] <Kilos> so 60 is better
[20:12] <inetpro> but I don't think your mtr will even cause that with just one second
[20:12] <Kilos> should ping ms rather
[20:12] <kbmonkey> LOL
[20:12] <kbmonkey> bestest idea ever, Kilos :0
[20:12] <Kilos> hehe
[20:13] <Kilos> did they really buy suse?
[20:13] <inetpro> don't try it!
[20:13] <Kilos> no i wont
[20:13] <Kilos> but should rather ping yahoo than google
[20:14] <kbmonkey> a good server can respond to many thousands of requests per second. when you go over that amount it is a DOS
[20:14] <Kilos> or hotmail
[20:15] <kbmonkey> ... unless it is a windows sql server. hahaha.
[20:15] <Kilos> ah then 1 ping a minute is nothing
[20:15] <Kilos> inetpro: new kde very lekker
[20:16] <Kilos> bet youve never installed an OS in 12 mins
[20:16] <inetpro> a denial of service action is considered a CRIME, even if you don't think so
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: that is good news
[20:18] <Tonberry> Is it even physically possible to DOS google from a single south african internet conncetion without resorting to amplification trickery?
[20:18] <inetpro> Tonberry: I doubt
[20:18]  * inetpro was just stating the obvious
[20:19] <inetpro> don't want to feed any of you with peanuts in jail
[20:19] <kbmonkey> great point Tonberry! we will run out of data before we reach a critical ping level :P
[20:19] <Kilos> you just trying to frighten me
[20:20] <Kilos> isnt that where they use virri to hack peeps pcs and all send spam stuffs
[20:21] <kbmonkey> what? SA's government is on top form with cyber security and technology? have you _seen_ the sars website lately?
[20:22] <inetpro> kbmonkey: what did you see?
[20:24] <kbmonkey> I saw stupid people. I cannot unsee it. doing tax returns haunts me!
[20:24] <inetpro> :-)
[20:25] <kbmonkey> the irony is that the manual paperwork process is much quicker after a redesign, lol.
[20:26]  * inetpro went to the office earlier this year and was surprised to see how quick and easy it was
[20:26] <inetpro> sars office*
[20:27] <inetpro> always had problems with the online experience 
[20:27] <kbmonkey> yes, the human interface part has been improved greatly.
[20:27] <kbmonkey> so just don't try ping flood the humans, he he
[20:27] <kbmonkey> you may get arrested for indecent exposure
[20:27] <Tonberry> are you there
[20:27] <Tonberry> are you there
[20:28] <Tonberry> ...
[20:28] <inetpro> ai!
[20:28] <inetpro> :-)
[20:28] <kbmonkey> hello major tom, do you read me?
[20:28] <Tonberry> repeat at insane rate
[20:29] <Tonberry> good thing computers are better at saying yes than we are
[20:30] <kbmonkey> but do they understand the question...
[20:32]  * Kilos loves ctrl+r on konversation
[20:32] <kbmonkey> what does that do Kilos ?
[20:33] <Kilos> underlines
[20:33] <Kilos> for if you go away so you know where you left off reading
[20:34] <inetpro> Kilos: I wish that feature was available for quassel
[20:35] <Kilos> yeah its so handy
[20:35] <inetpro> one of the features that I miss from the konversation days
[20:35] <Kilos> i dunno why you dont use it from your lappy at home
[20:36] <inetpro> quassel also has a red line indicator, but only if you where not in the channel
[20:36] <Kilos> ya like xchat
[20:36] <Kilos> konversation rocks
[20:36] <inetpro> Kilos: clearly you have no idea how useful quassel is for me
[20:36] <Kilos> can even bloep
[20:37] <inetpro> trumps all the features in konversation 
[20:37] <Kilos> nope i dont apart from showing online from work or home or wherever
[20:37] <inetpro> well you would need a core to connect to in order to see the usefulness
[20:38] <inetpro> a core that stays connected 24/7
[20:38] <Kilos> ya but no advantage for me with one connection
[20:38] <inetpro> sorry
[20:39] <inetpro> don't you have a VPS?
[20:40] <kbmonkey> I like my irssi over ssh. keeps away messages and is all I need.
[20:41] <Kilos> whats that?
[20:43] <Kilos> Maaz: define VPS
[20:43] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about VPS. Maybe you meant Ops, Vas, Vis, ps, veps, bps, cps, fps, gps, mps, ops, vas, vms, vs, vp, vsp, vpsd, pps, hps, qps, rps, ips, sps, jps, aps, tps, ups, lps, dps, eps, wps, xps, vrs, vis, vss, vbs, vcs, vts, vds, ves, vfs, vos, vpp, vpi, vpa, vpc, vpt, vpu, vpl, vpd, vpe or vpn?
[20:43] <Kilos> ai!
[20:43] <kbmonkey> lol!
[20:43] <kbmonkey> virtual private server
[20:43] <kbmonkey> I'm guessing?'
[20:44] <Kilos> i had one but now its got win7 and 12.04 and 13.04 kde on another drive
[20:45] <inetpro> Kilos: so you have no more QA in the clouds?
[20:45] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:46] <inetpro> ai!
[20:46] <Kilos> can i put quassle core up there too
[20:46] <Kilos> but no need anyway
[20:47] <Kilos> i dont like quassel, no bloep
[20:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> booya
[20:47] <Kilos> hi that
[20:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: did you drink a whole case of red bull?
[20:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> aren't you usually in bed at 7? ;-)
[20:48] <Kilos> no ThatGraemeGuy waiting to use nightsurfer data for upgrade on 13.10
[20:48] <Kilos> 9pm actually
[20:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[20:48] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: wb
[20:49] <kbmonkey> almost there Kilos !
[20:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ty
[20:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> work time though
[20:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> obviously, at this time of night :)
[20:52] <Kilos> eish what kinda work at this time of the night
[20:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/573393-MyBroadband-server-move-downtime-tonight-(8-November-2013)
[20:53] <Kilos> ah
[20:53] <Kilos> you with mybroadband?
[20:54] <kbmonkey> awe, good luck ThatGraemeGuy and thanks for all the effort :)
[20:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> hetzner
[20:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ty
[20:54] <Kilos> ah
[20:54] <inetpro> oh he's the poor hezner guy
[20:54] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: enjoying the new job?
[20:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> thoroughly!
[20:55] <inetpro> nice
[20:55] <inetpro> tell us when it's done
[20:57] <Kilos> how do you move a server? like me
[20:57] <Kilos> pick it up and put it on another table
[21:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[21:00] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos 
[21:01] <Kilos> oh inetpro i gonna need help
[21:01] <Kilos> not now though
[21:01] <inetpro> Kilos: with?
[21:01] <Kilos> i cant get QA to cloak from there
[21:02] <Kilos> same ibid.ini but she dont cloak
[21:02] <Kilos> here goes sudo aptitude upgrade
[21:02] <inetpro> again?
[21:02] <Kilos> no man from the host she wont
[21:03] <Kilos> from here it still works
[21:03] <Kilos> i dunno if you cloaked noddy
[21:06] <Kilos> eish the main server is also sick
[21:06] <Kilos> 3122kB/s
[21:06] <Kilos> sorry
[21:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I have no need to cload noddy
[21:07] <Kilos> B/s
[21:08] <Kilos> ah thats better 465kB/s
[21:09] <Kilos> thats nearly 1/2 a meg per sec
[21:09] <Kilos> 8ta rocks
[21:10] <kbmonkey> agreed Kilos!
[21:10] <kbmonkey> speed wise it is better than voda here
[21:10] <Kilos> 488kB/s
[21:10] <Kilos> w0000t
[21:11] <Kilos> im gonna get that telkom mobile sim starter pack
[21:11] <inetpro> Kilos: 13/09 16:37:56 --> QA (~QA@unaffiliated/kilos/bot/qa) has joined ##kilos
[21:11] <inetpro> on ^^ that date you had hime cloaked
[21:12] <inetpro> him*
[21:12] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[21:12] <psychicist> hi kbmonkey 
[21:12] <Kilos> her man
[21:12] <psychicist> hi inetpro 
[21:12] <inetpro> sorry, her
[21:12] <Kilos> and that was from here not on the host i think
[21:12] <inetpro> doesn't look like it
[21:13] <Kilos> oh maybe we dont see same thing
[21:13] <Kilos> check her on my channel
[21:13] <Kilos> i see linode.com
[21:14] <inetpro> 15/09 19:52:49 --> QA (~QA@li618-159.members.linode.com) has joined ##kilos
[21:14] <inetpro> 15/09 19:52:49 <-- QA (~QA@li618-159.members.linode.com) has quit (Changing host)
[21:14] <inetpro> 15/09 19:52:49 --> QA (~QA@unaffiliated/kilos/bot/qa) has joined ##kilos
[21:15] <inetpro> what changed?
[21:15] <inetpro> and why?
[21:15] <Kilos> where do you see the cloaked one
[21:15] <inetpro> 3rd line that I just pasted
[21:16] <Kilos> wow
[21:16] <Kilos> i dont see that
[21:16] <inetpro> ai!
[21:16] <Kilos> i see the linode one
[21:16] <inetpro> QA@unaffiliated/kilos/bot/qa
[21:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:17] <Kilos> why dont i see that
[21:17] <Kilos> but thats good if she be cloaked
[21:17] <inetpro> Kilos: that was on 15/09
[21:18] <Kilos> ai!
[21:18] <Kilos> i thought you see that now
[21:18] <Kilos> i musta run her from here that time to check if cloak worked from here
[21:19] <inetpro> no
[21:19] <Kilos> and then nanoed her ini file up there
[21:19] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what time is your off peak?
[21:19] <Kilos> 11pm to 5am
[21:19] <inetpro> then it/she would not have started with i see linode.com QA@li618-159.members.linode.com
[21:19] <kbmonkey> ok
[21:19] <inetpro> oops
[21:20] <Kilos> oh ya
[21:20] <inetpro> then it/she would not have started with QA@li618-159.members.linode.com
[21:20] <Kilos> i dunno what happened them
[21:20] <kbmonkey> useful tip is to add your suspend command to sudoers so you can do a "sleep 2h && pm-suspend"
[21:20] <kbmonkey> pc goes to sleep or shut downin 2 hours
[21:20] <Kilos> do you know the command to make her restart
[21:21] <inetpro> anyway, me needs sleep
[21:21] <Kilos> sleep tight old man
[21:21] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:22] <kbmonkey> gn inetpro 
[21:22] <kbmonkey> I feel I am not far off too'
[21:25] <Kilos> ya me too upgrade done
[21:25] <kbmonkey> good man!
[21:26] <kbmonkey> I copied my update archives to the laptop and it saved me 100% downloads
[21:26] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I like your maintenance page
[21:26] <Kilos> Fetched 63,0 MB in 2min 42s (388 kB/s)
[21:26]  * Kilos loves 8ta
[21:26] <Kilos> yeah thats the best kbmonkey 
[21:26] <Kilos> i rsync after every udate
[21:28] <kbmonkey> that is very fast Kilos, sjoe
[21:28] <Kilos> lekker hey
[21:28] <kbmonkey> yes
[21:28] <kbmonkey> no need to ping al night long ;)
[21:28] <Kilos> thats why i wanna now try the telkom 3g/lte sim
[21:29] <Kilos> might be even better
[21:29] <Kilos> lol
[21:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: ?
[21:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> you got a 404?
[21:30] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: well that I ddn't like, but then I went to the home page
[21:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[21:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> the 404 is fixed anyway, slight oversight :)
[21:31] <inetpro> np
[21:36] <Kilos> i just installing libreoffice on 13.10 then bed
[21:41] <Kilos> 137m night surfer used
[21:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:53] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell kilos good night friend
[21:53] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[22:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mybroadband is up
[22:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> now brought to you from 20+km from where it used to be :-)
[22:08] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[22:20] <spinza> kilos thanks.  can backup my home folder to the network.  just wondering how to avoid reinstalling services and things i have on 13.04 when upgrading