[02:25] brainwash: Did you end up going for uptrack? [09:57] good morning all [09:58] good morning slickymaster [09:59] lderan :) and a good one to you, too [10:00] \o/ === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [12:33] looks like xscreensaver has been already replaced, is this correct? [12:34] just started the upgrade process on my test system (-> trusty) [13:25] brainwash: i wouldn't know anything about that, i'd be surprised tbh [13:26] light-locker is uploaded to trusty, but i don't think anyone has done changes to our seeds yet [13:26] ochosi: xscreensaver got removed during the upgrade process [13:26] interesting [13:26] well, not yet, still downloading the new packages with my slow connection [13:27] but it's marked to get removed [13:30] ochosi: do think that it's necessary to commit the xfdesktop wm-check fix upstream? it would be a port of the xfce4-panel wm-check [13:31] what xfce4-panel wm-check again? [13:32] (sorry, it's been a while and i'm a bit off-track with this issue) [13:32] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?h=eric/Port-to-GApplication&id=f8204f77cf48452b7021ee707369f6b69f322928 [13:33] wait a minute [13:33] stupid me [13:33] it's already done [13:35] righty [13:35] ok, so I'll need to test this implementation and check, if it works for our case [13:35] that'd be great [13:35] if the delay is big enough [13:35] and then i can see what we can do about lightdm-gtk-greeter [13:36] fwiw, i'll also try to add a feature to the greeter that'll reduce the flickering when switching VTs [13:36] (force the X11 screensaver to blank the screen) [13:36] right, 1) set the xwindow property (my patch) and avoid setting the background twice (config one and then user one) [13:36] so i hope that this way the screen will blank, flicker and then remain blank [13:36] sounds interesting [13:37] this would also help with light-locker's timed locking [13:38] so it'd feel more like a real replacement for a screensaver [13:39] 2014, the year of the flicker-free xubuntu desktop :) [13:39] i'm sometimes thinking about letting plymouth fade-in and fade-out [13:39] (or at least fade-in when it starts) [13:40] and fade-out [13:40] that'd make it feel a little smoother [13:41] is that even possible? [13:41] i dunno [13:41] fade-in might be [13:41] not sure about fade-out (at least without adding a useless timeout which makes the boot-time longer) [13:42] but please let me know how the greeter-stuff goes for you [13:42] i won't have time to work on this before next week (the earliest), still many other things to do (parole, light-locker) [13:43] yeah, already upgrading to trusty to get started [13:44] maybe you should add a new entry to the xubuntu trusty agenda -> screen flicker elimination [13:44] cool [13:44] yeah, do that [13:46] ok [13:48] better to keep track of this issue [14:02] brainwash: you could also write a separate spec-page on the xubuntu wiki and describe where the flickering happens and then how it can be dealt with [14:02] that'll help others to understand the issue more easily (and you won't have to explain it all the time), and we can keep track of the status [14:05] ochosi: yes, I'll put it on my todo list, some test packages (PPA) are planned too [14:05] nice [14:23] skellat, knome, I did the SRU docs update on two machines. It didn't break anything but there are two aesthetic anomalies I wanted to run by you. [14:24] the initial 'About' page doesn't look so pretty: http://imagebin.org/276195 [14:25] and the 'Index' page doesn't have the nice graphical header that it does in the local build: http://imagebin.org/276197 [14:26] the new installed version is on the bottom in that second screenshot [14:26] so are both of those things to be expected? [14:27] one looks like missing css [14:27] the other like a missing image [14:27] (at least that header reads like an alt-text) [14:29] ochosi, so does that mean there's something missing in the -proposed package? [14:30] i would assume so [14:30] ugh [14:30] but it's really up to knome and skellat to judge, i wasn't involved at all in the offline-docs [14:34] bluesabre: i copied your plugins-page to docs.xfce.org, lemme know if you update it again (you mentioned something about the wallpaper, to me the screeners look fine) [14:35] ochosi, I hope to get the DVD menu section done tonight or tomorrow. [14:35] jjfrv8: great! i think that's the last missing piece, right? [14:36] lemme check to see if slickymaster got the Video section done yet. [14:36] ah right [14:36] that one's missing too [14:36] yeah [14:36] well nvm, you two really have been extremely productive – really nice job! [14:37] thanks [14:37] well thank *you* ;) [14:39] ochosi, and one other small item we need to work in somewhere, the right-click menu in the playback window [14:40] oh right [14:40] good call remembering that one [14:40] maybe before or after the kb-shortcuts [14:40] k [14:41] skellat, knome, just so's you know, the steps I took to do the update were... [14:41] enabled pre-released updates (precise-proposed) in USC... [14:42] ran 'sudo apt-get update'. [14:42] ran 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-docs/precise-released' [14:44] whoops, I meant 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-docs/precise-proposed' [14:45] bbiab [14:47] hmph, yeah, seems like missing stuff [14:47] jjfrv8, i'll get to your email soonish, my internet has been down all day today [14:58] meh, that's not nice... http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11/08/1335231/canonical-targets-ubuntu-privacy-critic [14:59] not surprising [15:00] yeah, but also "not nice" [15:00] sure [15:10] jjfrv8, ochosi, I'm planning on the Video section done tonight or tomorrow the latest [15:10] ^^ on having, that is [15:10] slickymaster: sweet! [15:11] probably won't be around for a good part of the weekend [15:11] have friends visiting [15:11] ochosi: np [15:11] but on sunday evening or monday i can sync everything again [15:12] ochosi: ny the way, you mentioned the other day that you probably will need some further help with docs.xfce.org, you can count on me [15:12] slickymaster: that's really great! [15:12] i mean xubuntu will obviously also benefit from that [15:12] so it's twice as cool :) [15:13] ochosi: it will be a pleasure, to both help xubuntu and xfce [15:14] knome, no worries on the e-mail [15:15] jjfrv8, ochosi, one thing I noticed that I missed on the Media menu is the Insert disk/Play disk option, I'll do it also [15:15] i think they didnt even checkwht the site was about ochosi, they just saw it said "ubuntu" in the url and sent a generic email [15:16] GridCube: yeah, that doesn't make it a lot better unfortunately... [15:17] i don't see why not, they saw someone not from canonical using an url that said "ubuntu" on it, they sent a letter asking them politely not to do so [15:18] they didn't said anything about the actual contents of the site, they never attacked the webpage owner free of speech in any way either [15:22] ochosi, btw, I've been using Whisker Menu and like it a lot. [15:23] it's especially nice on the test machines I set up because it's so quick and easy to set up favorites [15:23] but I've also replaced alacarte with it on my Precise main machine. [15:23] nice [15:23] good to hear that [15:24] i hope micahg can soon copy over the package from the dev's ppa to the xubuntu-dev PPA [15:24] GridCube: to be frank i only read the slashdot summary ;) [15:26] bbl [15:26] me too [16:13] ochosi: can you send me an email with what needs to be moved? [16:13] or a PM? [16:15] Think he wants a "backport" of Whisker. :P [16:16] oh, that's all, can do over the weekend [16:16] been a busy week [16:16] It's stuck in new for Debian. [16:18] http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin.html nevermind, was accepted recently. [17:40] micahg: either sync it from debian if it's ready there or you can also take it from this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~gottcode/+archive/gcppa [17:40] but i can also send you an email with more details if needed [17:41] ochosi: If nothing else, it should be in the xfce4 vcs. [17:41] Unit193: vcs? you mean git? [17:41] git.xfce.org? [17:44] it just cleared NEW, I"ll get it sync'd over the weekend [17:44] ochosi: which releases did you want it for in the xubuntu PPA? [17:45] if the dependencies aren't complex we could do an official backport as well [17:45] ochosi: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/goodies/trunk/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/ [17:46] ideally yes, but i'll not take up communication for that [17:50] micahg: v1.2 [17:51] Unit193: ah, nice [17:52] oh, hum [17:52] ok will have to look later [17:53] bbl [18:04] micahg: Heya, still haven't had time for indicators? Have them uploaded anywhere? [18:08] Unit193: afraid not, been working late all week, I should have a little time sat night, don't know if it'll be enough to finish, hopefully can at least get the panel up [18:09] Cool, thanks for the update. [18:10] ochosi: the upgrade to trusty finally finished, now I have to clean up everything, because the system did run out of disk space during the upgrade :/ [18:21] ochosi: and xscreensaver got marked as obsolete package [18:38] bluesabre, jjfrv8, ochosi, the Video section is done -> http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=usage#video All that's needed now is your review and approval [18:39] bluesabre, jjfrv8, ochosi, also I've added the missing Insert disk/Play disk option in http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=usage#play_media [18:58] Are we going to ship gthumb for 14.04? [19:12] jjfrv8: Please make sure to note what you found testing the SRU for 12.04 xubuntu-docs in the bug. We might have to mark it verification-failed. [20:10] skellat, I commented on the SRU docs bug but did not mark it verification-failed yet.