[02:25] <Unit193> brainwash: Did you end up going for uptrack?
[09:57] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:58] <lderan> good morning slickymaster 
[09:59] <slickymaster> lderan :) and a good one to you, too
[10:00] <lderan> \o/
[12:33] <brainwash> looks like xscreensaver has been already replaced, is this correct?
[12:34] <brainwash> just started the upgrade process on my test system (-> trusty)
[13:25] <ochosi> brainwash: i wouldn't know anything about that, i'd be surprised tbh
[13:26] <ochosi> light-locker is uploaded to trusty, but i don't think anyone has done changes to our seeds yet
[13:26] <brainwash> ochosi: xscreensaver got removed during the upgrade process
[13:26] <ochosi> interesting
[13:26] <brainwash> well, not yet, still downloading the new packages with my slow connection
[13:27] <brainwash> but it's marked to get removed
[13:30] <brainwash> ochosi: do think that it's necessary to commit the xfdesktop wm-check fix upstream? it would be a port of the xfce4-panel wm-check
[13:31] <ochosi> what xfce4-panel wm-check again?
[13:32] <ochosi> (sorry, it's been a while and i'm a bit off-track with this issue)
[13:32] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?h=eric/Port-to-GApplication&id=f8204f77cf48452b7021ee707369f6b69f322928
[13:33] <brainwash> wait a minute
[13:33] <brainwash> stupid me
[13:33] <brainwash> it's already done
[13:35] <ochosi> righty
[13:35] <brainwash> ok, so I'll need to test this implementation and check, if it works for our case
[13:35] <ochosi> that'd be great
[13:35] <brainwash> if the delay is big enough
[13:35] <ochosi> and then i can see what we can do about lightdm-gtk-greeter
[13:36] <ochosi> fwiw, i'll also try to add a feature to the greeter that'll reduce the flickering when switching VTs
[13:36] <ochosi> (force the X11 screensaver to blank the screen)
[13:36] <brainwash> right, 1) set the xwindow property (my patch) and avoid setting the background twice (config one and then user one)
[13:36] <ochosi> so i hope that this way the screen will blank, flicker and then remain blank
[13:36] <brainwash> sounds interesting
[13:37] <ochosi> this would also help with light-locker's timed locking
[13:38] <ochosi> so it'd feel more like a real replacement for a screensaver
[13:39] <brainwash> 2014, the year of the flicker-free xubuntu desktop :)
[13:39] <ochosi> i'm sometimes thinking about letting plymouth fade-in and fade-out
[13:39] <ochosi> (or at least fade-in when it starts)
[13:40] <brainwash> and fade-out
[13:40] <ochosi> that'd make it feel a little smoother
[13:41] <brainwash> is that even possible?
[13:41] <ochosi> i dunno
[13:41] <ochosi> fade-in might be
[13:41] <ochosi> not sure about fade-out (at least without adding a useless timeout which makes the boot-time longer)
[13:42] <ochosi> but please let me know how the greeter-stuff goes for you
[13:42] <ochosi> i won't have time to work on this before next week (the earliest), still many other things to do (parole, light-locker)
[13:43] <brainwash> yeah, already upgrading to trusty to get started
[13:44] <brainwash> maybe you should add a new entry to the xubuntu trusty agenda -> screen flicker elimination
[13:44] <ochosi> cool
[13:44] <ochosi> yeah, do that
[13:46] <brainwash> ok
[13:48] <ochosi> better to keep track of this issue
[14:02] <ochosi> brainwash: you could also write a separate spec-page on the xubuntu wiki and describe where the flickering happens and then how it can be dealt with
[14:02] <ochosi> that'll help others to understand the issue more easily (and you won't have to explain it all the time), and we can keep track of the status
[14:05] <brainwash> ochosi: yes, I'll put it on my todo list, some test packages (PPA) are planned too
[14:05] <ochosi> nice
[14:23] <jjfrv8> skellat, knome, I did the SRU docs update on two machines. It didn't break anything but there are two aesthetic anomalies I wanted to run by you.
[14:24] <jjfrv8> the initial 'About' page doesn't look so pretty: http://imagebin.org/276195
[14:25] <jjfrv8> and the 'Index' page doesn't have the nice graphical header that it does in the local build: http://imagebin.org/276197
[14:26] <jjfrv8> the new installed version is on the bottom in that second screenshot
[14:26] <jjfrv8> so are both of those things to be expected?
[14:27] <ochosi> one looks like missing css
[14:27] <ochosi> the other like a missing image
[14:27] <ochosi> (at least that header reads like an alt-text)
[14:29] <jjfrv8> ochosi, so does that mean there's something missing in the -proposed package?
[14:30] <ochosi> i would assume so
[14:30] <jjfrv8> ugh
[14:30] <ochosi> but it's really up to knome and skellat to judge, i wasn't involved at all in the offline-docs
[14:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: i copied your plugins-page to docs.xfce.org, lemme know if you update it again (you mentioned something about the wallpaper, to me the screeners look fine)
[14:35] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I hope to get the DVD menu section done tonight or tomorrow.
[14:35] <ochosi> jjfrv8: great! i think that's the last missing piece, right?
[14:36] <jjfrv8> lemme check to see if slickymaster got the Video section done yet.
[14:36] <ochosi> ah right
[14:36] <ochosi> that one's missing too
[14:36] <jjfrv8> yeah
[14:36] <ochosi> well nvm, you two really have been extremely productive – really nice job!
[14:37] <jjfrv8> thanks
[14:37] <ochosi> well thank *you* ;)
[14:39] <jjfrv8> ochosi, and one other small item we need to work in somewhere, the right-click menu in the playback window
[14:40] <ochosi> oh right
[14:40] <ochosi> good call remembering that one
[14:40] <ochosi> maybe before or after the kb-shortcuts
[14:40] <jjfrv8> k
[14:41] <jjfrv8> skellat, knome, just so's you know, the steps I took to do the update were...
[14:41] <jjfrv8> enabled pre-released updates (precise-proposed) in USC...
[14:42] <jjfrv8> ran 'sudo apt-get update'.
[14:42] <jjfrv8> ran 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-docs/precise-released'
[14:44] <jjfrv8> whoops, I meant 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-docs/precise-proposed'
[14:45] <jjfrv8> bbiab
[14:47] <knome> hmph, yeah, seems like missing stuff
[14:47] <knome> jjfrv8, i'll get to your email soonish, my internet has been down all day today
[14:58] <ochosi> meh, that's not nice... http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11/08/1335231/canonical-targets-ubuntu-privacy-critic
[14:59] <knome> not surprising
[15:00] <ochosi> yeah, but also "not nice"
[15:00] <knome> sure
[15:10] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, I'm planning on the Video section done tonight or tomorrow the latest
[15:10] <slickymaster> ^^ on having, that is
[15:10] <ochosi> slickymaster: sweet!
[15:11] <ochosi> probably won't be around for a good part of the weekend
[15:11] <ochosi> have friends visiting
[15:11] <slickymaster> ochosi: np
[15:11] <ochosi> but on sunday evening or monday i can sync everything again
[15:12] <slickymaster> ochosi: ny the way, you mentioned the other day that you probably will need some further help with docs.xfce.org, you can count on me
[15:12] <ochosi> slickymaster: that's really great!
[15:12] <ochosi> i mean xubuntu will obviously also benefit from that
[15:12] <ochosi> so it's twice as cool :)
[15:13] <slickymaster> ochosi: it will be a pleasure, to both help xubuntu and xfce
[15:14] <jjfrv8> knome, no worries on the e-mail
[15:15] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, one thing I noticed that I missed on the Media menu is the Insert disk/Play disk option, I'll do it also
[15:15] <GridCube> i think they didnt even checkwht the site was about ochosi, they just saw it said "ubuntu" in the url and sent a generic email
[15:16] <ochosi> GridCube: yeah, that doesn't make it a lot better unfortunately...
[15:17] <GridCube> i don't see why not, they saw someone not from canonical using an url that said "ubuntu" on it, they sent a letter asking them politely not to do so
[15:18] <GridCube> they didn't said anything about the actual contents of the site, they never attacked the webpage owner free of speech in any way either
[15:22] <jjfrv8> ochosi, btw, I've been using Whisker Menu and like it a lot.
[15:23] <jjfrv8> it's especially nice on the test machines I set up because it's so quick and easy to set up favorites
[15:23] <jjfrv8> but I've also replaced alacarte with it on my Precise main machine.
[15:23] <ochosi> nice
[15:23] <ochosi> good to hear that
[15:24] <ochosi> i hope micahg can soon copy over the package from the dev's ppa to the xubuntu-dev PPA
[15:24] <ochosi> GridCube: to be frank i only read the slashdot summary ;)
[15:26] <ochosi> bbl
[15:26] <jjfrv8> me too
[16:13] <micahg> ochosi: can you send me an email with what needs to be moved?
[16:13] <micahg> or a PM?
[16:15] <Unit193> Think he wants a "backport" of Whisker. :P
[16:16] <micahg> oh, that's all, can do over the weekend
[16:16] <micahg> been a busy week
[16:16] <Unit193> It's stuck in new for Debian.
[16:18] <Unit193> http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin.html nevermind, was accepted recently.
[17:40] <ochosi> micahg: either sync it from debian if it's ready there or you can also take it from this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~gottcode/+archive/gcppa
[17:40] <ochosi> but i can also send you an email with more details if needed
[17:41] <Unit193> ochosi: If nothing else, it should be in the xfce4 vcs.
[17:41] <ochosi> Unit193: vcs? you mean git?
[17:41] <ochosi> git.xfce.org?
[17:44] <micahg> it just cleared NEW, I"ll get it sync'd over the weekend
[17:44] <micahg> ochosi: which releases did you want it for in the xubuntu PPA?
[17:45] <micahg> if the dependencies aren't complex we could do an official backport as well
[17:45] <Unit193> ochosi: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/goodies/trunk/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
[17:46] <ochosi> ideally yes, but i'll not take up communication for that
[17:50] <ochosi> micahg: v1.2
[17:51] <ochosi> Unit193: ah, nice
[17:52] <micahg> oh, hum
[17:52] <micahg> ok will have to look later
[17:53] <ochosi> bbl
[18:04] <Unit193> micahg: Heya, still haven't had time for indicators?  Have them uploaded anywhere?
[18:08] <micahg> Unit193: afraid not, been working late all week, I should have a little time sat night, don't know if it'll be enough to finish, hopefully can at least get the panel up
[18:09] <Unit193> Cool, thanks for the update.
[18:10] <brainwash> ochosi: the upgrade to trusty finally finished, now I have to clean up everything, because the system did run out of disk space during the upgrade :/
[18:21] <brainwash> ochosi: and xscreensaver got marked as obsolete package
[18:38] <slickymaster> bluesabre, jjfrv8, ochosi, the Video section is done -> http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=usage#video All that's needed now is your review and approval
[18:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre, jjfrv8, ochosi, also I've added the missing Insert disk/Play disk option in http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=usage#play_media
[18:58] <Noskcaj> Are we going to ship gthumb for 14.04?
[19:12] <skellat> jjfrv8: Please make sure to note what you found testing the SRU for 12.04 xubuntu-docs in the bug.  We might have to mark it verification-failed.
[20:10] <jjfrv8> skellat, I commented on the SRU docs bug but did not mark it verification-failed yet.