| caj | היי. התקנתי אובונטו ואני לא מצליח להתחבר לרשת. מישהו מבין בזה? | 01:49 |
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| jkt | hi there; I'm trying to debug RTL support in Trojita, a Qt-based IMAP e-mail client which uses QtWebKit for rendering | 23:02 |
| jkt | this is my first time with bidi text and RTL, but I've already read a lot of docs, and know the HTML5/CSS rules for directionality computation of the <pre> blocks, which are going to be the problem here | 23:03 |
| jkt | it seems to me that the "directionality" and "where the text gets aligned" are two different things, at least that's how WebKit renders stuff now | 23:03 |
| jkt | i.e. if I have a <pre> with an English sentence at first followed by Hebrew, the English is displayed LTR, the Hebrew RTL, but it's all aligned to the left | 23:04 |
| jkt | when I put the Hebrew thing first, the directionality doesn't change (i.e. an English "Hello!" is shown as "Hello!", not as "!Hello"), but everything is aligned to the right | 23:05 |
| jkt | my naive understanding would be that the "directionality" and "alignment" should match, shouldn't it? | 23:05 |
| Avihay | if I read you correctly, then they should be separate things | 23:12 |
| jkt | well, should it look like this: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/mac/fast/text/international/unicode-bidi-plaintext-expected.png?rev=89864 | 23:14 |
| jkt | or like this: https://codereview.chromium.org/23449026/patch/1/1004 | 23:14 |
| Avihay | well, the second link shows the expected behaviour | 23:16 |
| jkt | thanks! | 23:17 |
| Avihay | but you should be able to left-align Hebrew explicitly same as you can right align English | 23:17 |
| jkt | the use case here is plaintext mail; I don't know what language it is in, unfortunately | 23:18 |
| Avihay | ok, so yes, the usual behaviour in most program is to decide directionality by the first letter, which isn't ideal but close enough | 23:20 |
| Avihay | in most cases | 23:20 |
| jkt | fyi, http://jkt.flaska.net/tmp/trojita-RTL-overview.png is how it currently looks like | 23:20 |
| Avihay | the first part seems fine | 23:21 |
| jkt | the composer is pretty smart, it even automatically quotes the RTL text with " <" on the right | 23:21 |
| jkt | so it looks like it's a webkit bug in the rendering | 23:21 |
| Avihay | the part in the second part should be aligned right as far as I know | 23:21 |
| jkt | just to make sure -- the "correct" place for indication that a piece of text is quoted, e.g. by a blue bar or something like that, is on the right when showing RTL text, right? | 23:22 |
| Avihay | humm, I don't know, never thought of it or seen an example of it | 23:23 |
| Avihay | I guess the answer is yes, but I don't mail in Hebrew that much | 23:23 |
| Avihay | arikb: any input? | 23:24 |
| jkt | "neither do I" :) | 23:24 |
| Avihay | :-> | 23:24 |
| arikb | No | 23:46 |
| jkt | thanks, guys | 23:51 |
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