[01:49] היי. התקנתי אובונטו ואני לא מצליח להתחבר לרשת. מישהו מבין בזה? [23:02] hi there; I'm trying to debug RTL support in Trojita, a Qt-based IMAP e-mail client which uses QtWebKit for rendering [23:03] this is my first time with bidi text and RTL, but I've already read a lot of docs, and know the HTML5/CSS rules for directionality computation of the 
 blocks, which are going to be the problem here
[23:03]  it seems to me that the "directionality" and "where the text gets aligned" are two different things, at least that's how WebKit renders stuff now
[23:04]  i.e. if I have a 
 with an English sentence at first followed by Hebrew, the English is displayed LTR, the Hebrew RTL, but it's all aligned to the left
[23:05]  when I put the Hebrew thing first, the directionality doesn't change (i.e. an English "Hello!" is shown as "Hello!", not as "!Hello"), but everything is aligned to the right
[23:05]  my naive understanding would be that the "directionality" and "alignment" should match, shouldn't it?
[23:12]  if I read you correctly, then they should be separate things
[23:14]  well, should it look like this: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/mac/fast/text/international/unicode-bidi-plaintext-expected.png?rev=89864
[23:14]  or like this: https://codereview.chromium.org/23449026/patch/1/1004
[23:16]  well, the second link shows the expected behaviour
[23:17]  thanks!
[23:17]  but you should be able to left-align Hebrew explicitly same as you can right align English
[23:18]  the use case here is plaintext mail; I don't know what language it is in, unfortunately
[23:20]  ok, so yes, the usual behaviour in most program is to decide directionality by the first letter, which isn't ideal but close enough
[23:20]  in most cases
[23:20]  fyi, http://jkt.flaska.net/tmp/trojita-RTL-overview.png is how it currently looks like
[23:21]  the first part seems fine
[23:21]  the composer is pretty smart, it even automatically quotes the RTL text with " <" on the right
[23:21]  so it looks like it's a webkit bug in the rendering
[23:21]  the part in the second part should be aligned right as far as I know
[23:22]  just to make sure -- the "correct" place for indication that a piece of text is quoted, e.g. by a blue bar or something like that, is on the right when showing RTL text, right?
[23:23]  humm, I don't know, never thought of it or seen an example of it
[23:23]  I guess the answer is yes, but I don't mail in Hebrew that much
[23:24]  arikb:  any input?
[23:24]  "neither do I" :)
[23:24]  :->
[23:46]  No
[23:51]  thanks, guys