[18:07] <qwebirc10526> salut à tou(te)s, j'aimerai acheter un PC sans OS, je suis nouvel arrivant au Québec. Y aurait il un magasin ou un site qui permet d'acheter ou de se monter son propre PC sans OS ??
[18:08] <qwebirc10526> merci de votre réponse !
[18:08] <qwebirc10526> ps  : je suis actuellement à Montréal :)
[18:09] <Ankman> hmm...
[18:10] <Ankman> je pense il coute plus cher d'acheter un PC "customized"
[18:10] <Ankman> laptop, dektop?
[18:11] <Ankman> sorry for my bad french. am not born here
[18:11] <qwebirc10526> no probleme i can speak english
[18:12] <qwebirc10526> but i m afraid it may be wors than your french :)
[18:12] <qwebirc10526> it would be a desktop PC, maybe a mini-pc
[18:13] <Ankman> but no rasperry?
[18:13] <qwebirc10526> i don't know but i m looking for a place where you can make and / or custumize your own pc
[18:13] <Ankman> one with keyboard, may be monitor
[18:13] <qwebirc10526> no raspberry ;)
[18:13] <Ankman> ok
[18:13] <Ankman> where are you from?
[18:14] <qwebirc10526> I'm from france, but i live in Montreal since 3 weeks, and i'll stay permanently
[18:15] <Ankman> anyway, there are three big retailers. one dumber than the other. futureshop, bestbuy and staples
[18:15] <Ankman> staples you might know from france
[18:15] <Ankman> called "buereau en gros" here because they rename everthing french. not even people in france do this
[18:16] <qwebirc10526> ha ok... I know FShop (not very great :( ) and i heard about BBuy... i ll try staples
[18:16] <Ankman> you probably get cheaper PCs there. then delete windows or split the hard drive and install linux
[18:16] <Ankman> Best Buy worse than futureshop
[18:16] <qwebirc10526> yep... :( 
[18:16] <qwebirc10526> what a shame
[18:16] <Ankman> staples is probably the best of the three
[18:17] <Ankman> then there are online retailers. http://www.tigerdirect.ca for example
[18:17] <qwebirc10526> we have to pay for a product that we won't use (windows :( )
[18:17] <Ankman> yes, but because thePCs are often very cheap it's still cheaper than customizing your own computer
[18:18] <Ankman> of course hardware on these cheap PCs is cheap (budget class usually)
[18:18] <Ankman> if you want good hardware you have to customize yourself
[18:18] <Ankman> there is another channel here. may be there are more people who know stores here where you can do this
[18:19] <qwebirc10526> thancks for your answers !
[18:19] <qwebirc10526> first time in this IRC
[18:19] <Ankman> can you see the invitation?
[18:19] <qwebirc10526> no x_x
[18:20] <Ankman> if not type "/join #linux-quebec"
[18:20] <Ankman> oh, it's empty there too
[18:20] <qwebirc10526> where u from ?
[18:21] <Ankman> germany
[18:21] <Ankman> am here since almost 10 years now
[18:22] <Ankman> was a few months in france before i came here
[18:22] <qwebirc10526> Ok ! nice in Montréal ?
[18:22] <qwebirc10526> sorry don't spragen zi deutsc X_o
[18:23] <Ankman> no problem
[18:24] <Ankman> didn't speak german myself since a long time
[18:24] <Ankman> usually you get away with english everywhere. also some quebecois don't like that
[18:27] <qwebirc10526> even if i come frome France, i can understand that ... historically ... I need to practice my english... thancks for your support :D I'd like to find a GNU/Linux group (IRL) Thancks IXQuick i got some unswers :) did you join one ?
[18:28] <qwebirc10526> tigerdirect.ca is only in english... :( i'll send a message to the webmaster :B
[18:29] <Ankman> eh, should be french too
[18:30] <Ankman> oh, cannot find it
[18:30] <qwebirc10526> neither do I :( 
[18:31] <qwebirc10526> your distrib is ubuntu ?
[18:31] <Ankman> don't buy there then
[18:31] <Ankman> i had. now debian
[18:31] <Ankman> first i used here was mandriva
[18:32] <Ankman> bought a french magazine on Rue St. Catherine here with a CD on it
[18:32] <qwebirc10526> under debian7.0 testing to :p with some packages under sid :D
[18:32] <Ankman> then i had ubuntu on my server
[18:32] <Ankman> same here
[18:32] <Ankman> testing and some sid in it
[18:32] <Ankman> say do you have thunderbird (icedove) with enigmail installed?
[18:33] <Ankman> there is currently a dependency problem since weeks
[18:33] <qwebirc10526> yes icedove with pgp :)
[18:33] <qwebirc10526> ho ??
[18:33] <Ankman> and i fear they gave up on enigmail
[18:34] <Ankman> it might depend on the spanish version i also have installed. put all on hold not to lose enigmail
[18:34] <qwebirc10526> i ve got enigmail 1.6 and can send crypt and signed messages
[18:34] <qwebirc10526> arf did you try to remove spanish packages ?
[18:34] <Ankman> no
[18:35] <Ankman> the main icedove package is also listed
[18:36] <qwebirc10526> it's a stable version of enigmail ?
[18:36] <qwebirc10526> or icedove
[18:36] <Ankman> i guess so
[18:36] <Ankman> 10.0.12-1
[18:38] <qwebirc10526> strange... my policy : icedove:   Installé : 17.0.9-2   Candidat : 17.0.9-2
[18:40] <qwebirc10526> did you post your probleme on a forum ?
[18:40] <Ankman> not yet
[18:41] <qwebirc10526> mmmmmm I'd like to read it if you don't matter
[18:41] <qwebirc10526> (when you'll post it)
[18:42] <Ankman> i usually post in german usenet groups
[18:42] <qwebirc10526> arf ok ^^
[18:42] <Ankman> but this issue is not important. i use mutt as my main mailer
[18:42] <qwebirc10526> ha ok ^^ 
[18:42] <Ankman> enigmail here is 2:1.4.1-2
[18:43] <Ankman> trying to get more people in here which might be able to help you
[18:45] <Ankman> http://ncix.com might help too. but no french page either. they are from the USA :-)
[18:47] <Ankman> and may be http://microbytes.com having french page and local stores in montreal
[18:50] <qwebirc10526> thancks that great ! i'll go to see there... if you're in the mood of posting in french : https://www.debian-fr.org/support-debian.html
[18:50] <qwebirc10526> :D
[18:50] <Ankman> and http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.enigmail.general/17989 for my icedove problem
[18:50] <Ankman> known problem. they gave up on enigmail;l it seems
[18:52] <Ankman> ah
[18:52] <Ankman> thunderbird's enigmail got fixed. might just be a matter of time until icedove is also fixed
[18:52] <qwebirc10526> Oh ?
[18:52] <Ankman> so at ubuntu you don't have this problem
[18:52] <qwebirc10526> no of corse :D
[18:52] <Ankman> yes, all in the page i posted above
[18:53] <qwebirc10526> ubuntu is patched to be very stable
[18:53] <qwebirc10526> even his "testing" is very stable !
[18:54] <Ankman> ok
[18:55] <Ankman> how long are you in montreal? and where are you from in france if i may ask?
[18:57] <qwebirc10526> after, those who want to learn GNU / Linux will love to have "surprises" every update is a mystake... :) It's a choice
[18:57] <qwebirc10526> I'm from Paris
[18:57] <qwebirc10526> I'm a resident, permanentl
[18:57] <qwebirc10526> so i can stay here all my life if i want :)
[19:00] <qwebirc10526> young resident... who is looking for a job :D
[19:00] <qwebirc10526> what about U ?
[19:03] <Ankman> cool
[19:04] <Ankman> from mannheim in germany
[19:10] <qwebirc10526> I'll have to leave :)
[19:10] <qwebirc10526> Have a nice day and hope that yoour probleme will be solved
[19:10] <qwebirc10526> thancks for your answers !