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sergiusensfginther, yes, image based upgrade systems still depend on setting up an ubuntu_commands in /cache/recovery, rebooting into recovery and doing whatever is in ubuntu_commands from there00:20
sergiusensfginther, it's something like this if it interests you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Upgrader00:22
dermagholla ,i need some help00:46
dermagi have xperia pro mk16i ,does ubuntu can work ok on this device ?00:47
dermaganybody help ,please00:50
dermag?00:52
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ca18detis the ppa down for phablet tools?03:42
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gaurav_Can anyone help me install the stable version of Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 406:03
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gaurav1912Is anyone there?06:04
gaurav1912I want to install the stable build of ubuntu on my nexus 406:05
bray90820Why am i getting a status 7 error when i try to install ubuntu on my Tmobile g2/htc vision07:43
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kumikumi_thinking of installing ubuntu on my galaxy nexus. which one is the one that I (should?) currently want?13:01
kumikumi_why does the official "ubuntu-system" image come with a read-only filesystem?13:01
kumikumi_on the part of the Release notes where it comes to "Accessing the device over SSH" it says that it won't work if I have flashed with "ubuntu-system" variant as that's a read-only filesystem13:05
kumikumi_on the other hand it says somewhere else that "cdimage-touch" -images are deprecated13:05
ogra_redonly images are a requirement for the over the air updates to work13:09
ogra_the cdimage images are deprecated, the ubuntu-system image is the default now13:09
kumikumi_what's an over the air update? is it the same as typing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?13:10
ogra_no13:10
kumikumi_apt-get dist-upgrade ?13:11
ogra_it puts a binary diff in place with the updates13:11
ogra_about 10x faster than apt13:11
ogra_and a lot smaller too13:11
ogra_to do that, the root filesystem on the phone needs to be identical to what the server uses to generate the diff13:12
ogra_which simply requires it to be readonly13:12
kumikumi_so ubuntu touch is using a package/update management system other than apt?13:12
kumikumi_interesting13:12
ogra_it uses full image updates instead of package updates13:12
ogra_apps come in the cnew click package format and install in a writable area the user can access13:13
kumikumi_what if one user installs different packages than the other?13:13
ogra_he will have to make the image writable and will lose the ability to do OTA upgrades13:13
kumikumi_alright.13:13
kumikumi_and will he still have an option to use package upgrades?13:14
ogra_(and apt will likely break at some point since the space on the system partition is limited)13:14
kumikumi_sounds a bit worrying?13:15
kumikumi_alright but thanks for the help, now I know what image to use13:15
ogra_well, your mom wont use apt on her phone ...  and she will appreciate that it gets automatic updates ;)13:18
kumikumi_no doubt about it13:18
ogra_apt is really only for people that want to develop  the image13:19
kumikumi_but my mom won't be the first to adopt this13:19
ogra_well, the first to adopt it are hopefully app devs ... who dont care about the system but about their click packages :)13:20
kumikumi_I may look into that part, but currently I'm still more curious about the system13:21
kumikumi_I remain fascinated about the thought that it could become as powerful as a PC13:22
ogra_well, first it needs to become a solid phone system before it can become anything else13:22
ogra_desktop functionality will not happen before the october  release13:22
kumikumi_I hope you are working with debian to get upstream all this smartphone/tablet support sweetness :)13:25
ogra_i doubt they want much of it ... we use an android kernel, use a minimal android inside an lxc container to make the modem stack work (there is no other way) ....13:26
ogra_s/android kernel/android kernel source/13:26
ogra_so everything is kind of tied into this setup more or less13:26
kumikumi_I imagine that could be very useful who wants to support current android devices13:27
ogra_right13:27
kumikumi_unless there's some license restrictions or something13:27
ogra_porting ubuntu touch to a new phone isnt a beginner task ... but not that hard if you have a working android port (and the source for it)13:27
ogra_the modem and graphic drivers are fully proprietary13:28
ogra_same for most of the sensors13:28
ogra_and there is sadly no way around this if you want to use this HW .... thats pretty much a blocker for debian inclusion13:29
ogra_indeed we try to get general changes where we modify packages  into debian, but i doubt you will be able to ever see a full setup in there without pulling a lot of ubuntu in13:30
kumikumi_I still remain worried about not being able to use apt at some point13:35
kumikumi_Imagine not being able to use apt on your desktop or laptop computer (and only being able to do upgrades by upgrading the entire root filesystem), and the reason for that is that your mom wouldn't use apt anyway13:36
kumikumi_(except that there already exists a graphical upgrade manager that my grandpa knows how to use)13:36
kumikumi_for the desktop, that is.13:36
kumikumi_but I'm not the one to make decisions and I do realize you have certain priorities.. I just hope you don't break your system too much on the way13:40
l4serb0yhey all14:12
l4serb0yjust tried to connect a Google Nexus 4 to my screen here, is that not supported yet?14:13
ogra_no14:13
l4serb0ydoh!  >.<14:13
ogra_we first need a stable and feature complete  phone OS before adding fancy features14:14
l4serb0yanyone know when it will14:14
l4serb0yok14:14
ogra_it is planned for the october release14:14
l4serb0yit's november now  :)14:14
ogra_til april we work on stablization and feature completeness ... we also left the tablets behind last release ....14:15
ogra_from april to october the focus will be on convergence then14:15
l4serb0yi'm really looking forward to it14:15
ogra_we all do :)14:15
ogra_but we have to do one step after the other14:16
l4serb0yis the plan to make it available for "all" phones on the market14:16
l4serb0yor just a select few?14:16
ogra_we only support the nexus line .... but it isnt hard to port it to other phones14:16
ogra_there are around 50 ports (more or less activer)14:16
ogra_!devices14:16
ubot5You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices14:16
ogra_these are done by community people14:17
ogra_beyond nexus there will be preinstalled ubuntu phones at some point ... (but i suppose these will be more locked down than what we offer for the nexus)14:17
Guest55123hello together14:18
l4serb0ythe most exciting part for me is that you can dock it and make it a desktop14:18
l4serb0y:)14:18
Guest55123does anybody know if the Nexus 5 will be supported in te future?14:18
ogra_well, to do that in a pleasant way you will want better hardware than the currently available one14:19
ogra_Guest55123, it is being discussed ... i suppose we'll hear an official word at or after vUDS14:19
Guest55123I really hope so14:20
kumikumi_after running phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup my device boots into a CWM-based recovery with a fancy ubuntu background. does this mean everything worked?14:21
ogra_kumikumi_, yes, it should then transfer files etc14:21
kumikumi_so I should just wait? (there's an option to "reboot system now" but I got back to android after selecting that one)14:22
ogra_ignore the phone, watch the terminal ;)14:22
kumikumi_alrighty :)14:22
kumikumi_but it just says INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for recovery image to boot14:23
kumikumi_still supposedly "waiting for recovery image to boot"14:32
kumikumi_There is an error message that I didn't notice earlier. On Ubuntu CWM-based recovery it says "E: Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command"14:55
kumikumi_followed by "Checking for autodeploy.zip" and "autodeploy.zip not found"14:55
kumikumi_is this possible a known issue?14:56
timppawhat's with the latest ota update?15:06
timppaphone does not boot anymore :(15:07
timppatrusty image...15:07
timppaadb shell goes to busybox15:07
msvb-labAnyone testing or developing the tablet distros by chance?15:08
msvb-labThe tablet distros seem pretty sloppy, so I'd like to understand why.15:09
msvb-lab I assume that all efforts are going towards a viable phone format.15:09
msvb-labSo tablet funcationality is lost in the ether?15:09
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GtmHi there guys15:16
GtmIs there any means to install phablet-flash without the PPA ?15:16
sergiusensmsvb-lab, I have it on manta15:17
msvb-labGtm: Technically you could browse to the PPA area and just download the files.15:17
GtmIm behind a firewall that blocks me from accessing keyserver.ubuntu so I cant add PPAs15:17
sergiusensGtm, bzr branch lp:phablet-tools15:17
msvb-labIs that what you mean? ...and then a simple dpkg -i or so on the .deb.15:17
sergiusensGtm, oh, then just download the debs manually from the ppa; or add the keys manually15:18
msvb-labsergiusens: But I don't think he wants to build, rather just install the binaries.15:18
GtmAdding manually doesnt work for me15:18
GtmIve tried in past15:18
Gtmand it just gives me errors15:18
GtmThe deb should work I guess15:18
sergiusensGtm, if you don't add the keys, apt-get will still work15:18
sergiusensit will just print an error15:18
GtmI didnt think Deb file would be available there15:18
msvb-labsergiusens: Me too, I have Ubuntu Touch on manta (10 inch 2012 nexus tablet.)15:18
GtmBut it wont update the repository without the key15:19
msvb-labsergiusens: How did you decide on the install channel to use?15:19
sergiusensmsvb-lab, manta and grouper are being fixed this cycle15:19
msvb-labI used the development channel (customized not proposed.)15:19
sergiusensmsvb-lab, phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel trusty-proposed15:19
sergiusensthat's what I use15:19
msvb-labCustomized so that the sample photos and music are in there.15:19
msvb-labsergiusens: I didn't even know trusty-proposed was available. Its undocumented.15:20
timppasergiusens: Have you updated into todays build via ota?15:20
sergiusensmsvb-lab, so sidestage is rather broken if that is what you are seeing15:20
sergiusensand manta isn't on mir yet15:20
sergiusenstimppa, no, not today's, was there a build last night? I was supposed to trigger it and there was an outage15:21
msvb-labsergiusens: Do you recomment I ditch saucy (development-customized) and burn the trusty-proposed then?15:21
sergiusensogra_, did you eventually trigger the build?15:21
msvb-labOr are there just as many (but different) broken things on trusty?15:21
Gtm4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu3~raring15:21
sergiusensmsvb-lab, I haven't tried the customized builds at all; so not sure what you are missing15:21
timppasergiusens: I just did and Nex4 does not boot anymore :(15:22
sergiusensmsvb-lab, I do know that there are issues with manta though; I'm also just using my maguro as a day to day device; the tablet (that one) is just too big15:22
sergiusenstimppa, roll back?15:22
timppasergiusens: how?15:22
sergiusenstimppa, reboot into recovery then phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel (the one you use) --revision -115:23
msvb-labOkay, forget it. I'll try it out and see what happens. Hopefully no brick. Sergiusens flashed on manta architecture, so since that's the one I have I assume there will be no brick.15:23
sergiusenstimchen119, that will install the previous build and since there's no --bootstrap, it shouldn't wipe your data15:23
sergiusensmsvb-lab, it's impossible to really brick devices with fastboot15:23
timppasergiusens: thanks! I'll try that15:23
sergiusensmsvb-lab, just don't flash the bootloader (which requires you to jump through hoops to do so)15:24
sergiusenstimppa, I'm assuming you want the previous build, you can switch channels as well and shouldn't lose any data if you want to be less bleeding edge15:24
msvb-labSergiusens: Flashing the bootloader would probably overwrite fastboot, it seems to be a rather flexible bootloader made for devs.15:24
msvb-labtimppa: I think you never lose data due to phablet-flash(1) auto backup feature.15:25
msvb-lab...so if you disable that with --no-backup or whatever then you will lose data.15:25
sergiusensmsvb-lab, yup; as long as you have a working bootloader; it's unbrickable15:25
msvb-labOtherwise your data is backed up upon flashes and restored after the new OS is in.15:25
sergiusensmsvb-lab, auto-backup is gone; it's done like OTA now; but with artifacts downloaded to your host instead15:26
sergiusensmsvb-lab, it still means you don't lose data at all15:26
ozberkhi guys I need your opinion15:26
ozberkdoes ubuntu touch really worth to try because I want to use is on my android phone15:27
ozberkgalaxy nexus15:27
ozberkfor example how many applications can work with os so far ?15:27
timppasergiusens: how can i enter recovery?15:29
msvb-labosberk: If it's your only android device and you use it happily it might not be a good idea.15:29
msvb-labThe apps I've seen are not very refined or stable.15:29
sergiusenstimppa, I always forget the exact combination, but power button + vol up + vol down takes you to the bootloader15:29
msvb-lab...and there's lots missing, for example the ability to read PDF.15:29
sergiusenstimppa, then use the vol buttons to search for recovery15:29
ozberkok15:30
ozberkthanks for suggestion15:30
ozberkI'll be wait for updates15:30
* sergiusens has been using maguro as his main phone since late May15:30
msvb-labosberk: There's no harm in installing touch and then going back to Android a couple days later.15:30
msvb-lab...but the pain in that is reconfiguring all that you use Android for.15:30
msvb-labEmail, calendars, oops lost photos, language, and so on.15:31
msvb-labTakes a while to get back to square one.15:31
sergiusenscouple of things you might miss: whatsapp; skype; hangouts; video playback in webbrowser; gps navigation15:31
msvb-lab...that's why I've only installed on lab devices to test with (don't go out of the lab.)15:31
sergiusensmsvb-lab, you can always use one of those android backup tools around15:31
msvb-labTouch is pretty shabby right now, but there's no reason to give up on it of course.15:32
msvb-labsergiusens: Back up is a pain in general.15:32
msvb-lab...except for Backula connected devices like desktops.15:32
msvb-labBacula I mean. Perfect for POSIX platforms.15:32
sergiusensmsvb-lab, wouldn't adb pull /data somelocalloation do the trick on a rooted android?15:33
msvb-labsergiusens: Since I don't trust Android I've never looked into their structured storage, how they store config data, if all apps do it too, and so on.15:33
msvb-labsergiusens: But if you're right about one are to rule them all /data, then that's cool.15:34
sergiusensmsvb-lab, well the only writable location (aside from /cache) is /data15:34
msvb-lab...of course adb(1) is your friend.15:34
sergiusensmsvb-lab, the other location is /sdcard; but most devices have a virtual one that point's back to something in /data15:35
msvb-labsergiusens: It's worth experimenting with, but tell me for example what happens if you want a partial restore later of only some of the backed up data, or the API level changes?15:35
msvb-lab...just playing devil's advocate with that, it's likely that your solution is fine.15:35
msvb-labI would reboot and run adb(1) right from the start though, to avoid stale config or other things not written to disk yet.15:36
sergiusensmsvb-lab, oh, I never promised that; I was just doing a one time thing for flashing touch ;-)15:36
msvb-labsergiusens: So who is helping to fix manta and grouper 'this cycle' as you say?15:37
msvb-lab...and does that mean that when trusty is released, that these formats will finally work?15:38
msvb-labManta and grouper I mean.15:38
msvb-labIs there a roadmap?15:38
msvb-lab...and if they will be fixed this cycle, why is there almost nothing 'Touch' related in the Summit tracks?15:39
msvb-labLooking at the forthcoming Ubuntu Summit topics makes it seem that touch is being abandoned.15:39
msvb-lab...rather than being intensively worked on 'this cycle.'15:39
sergiusensmsvb-lab, oh, I think that technical debt might not be something to discuss on a vUDS perhaps?15:41
sergiusensmsvb-lab, unless people want to know how to help15:41
sergiusensogra_, hey, what if we create a blueprint to track technical debt on manta so people can chime in with fixes?15:41
sergiusensI guess the bug list is already a good indicator though15:42
kumikumi_I'm trying to install ubuntu-touch and just installed a stock android 4.2.2. image. What exactly is supposed to happen when I type "adb reboot fastboot" ? My phone reboots to android15:44
timppamsvb-lab: I did loose everything, as the phone cloud not backup...15:46
timppa:(15:46
sergiusenstimppa, ?? what version of phablet-flash are you using?15:48
timppalatest one15:49
timppaI've updated everything before this15:50
timppaphone cloud not boot anything but Busybox15:50
sergiusenstimppa, there is not attempt to backup in the latest tools; it's something that just happens15:50
timppaThat's a risk when you use bleeding edge software :)15:55
* sergiusens will bbl16:07
timppayes, latest image does not work even when flashed clean16:09
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dakerhi17:20
dakeris normal that's this take so long(~30min) INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for recovery image to boot ?17:21
dakerouch failed :(17:22
popeydaker: is it image 16?17:55
kumikumi_daker: I'm having exactly the same problem18:13
kumikumi_daker: did the recovery actually boot up?18:14
kumikumi_daker: for me it's stuck at waiting for recovery image to boot, but I can see the recovery image has actually booted up on the phone18:14
timppakumikumi_: image 16 does not work, flash with --revision -1, image 15 does work18:46
kumikumi_what's image 16?18:58
kumikumi_timppa: like this? phablet-flash --revision -1 ubuntu-system18:59
timppakumikumi_: phablet-flash ubuntu-system -d mako --no-backup --channel trusty-proposed --revision -119:00
timppa-d <device>19:01
kumikumi_I have a galaxy nexus (maguro) btw.19:02
timppaok19:02
timppa-d maguro the3n19:02
AskUbuntuHow to install ubuntu touch on sprint Galaxy nexus (toroplus) | http://askubuntu.com/q/37462119:03
timppakumikumi_: toimiiko?19:05
kumikumi_timppa: pääsen jopa kohta kokeilemaan kun piti asentaa android eka19:06
timppakumikumi_: ok19:07
timppakumikumi_: onko sulla aikasemmin ollu ubuntu touch asennettuna luuriin?19:08
kumikumi_timppa: joskus asensin sillon kun tuli eka preview19:09
kumikumi_nyt näyttää edistyvän jopa, kiitos erittäin paljon :)19:09
timppakumikumi_: ok, jos haluat hiukan stabiilimman ympäristön niin käytä --channel saucy19:10
timppakumikumi_: toi on edelleen aika hidas tossa raudassa, nexus 4:lla ihan eri luokassa19:10
timppakumikumi_: toivottavasti Canonical lähtee kehitäämään ubuntua Nexus 5:lle myös19:11
kumikumi_niin, aika erikoista olis jos kehittäisivät vanhoille nexus-laitteille mutta eivät uudelle19:12
timppakumikumi_: pitkälti kai se riippuu myös siitä että saako bootloaderin unlockattua samalla tavalla kun näissä vanhoissa19:13
kumikumi_no eiköhän se ole tarkoituksella mahdollisimman helpoksi tehty19:13
timppakumikumi_: joo. Tilauksessa ois nex5 :) pitää koittaa ite porttaillla sitä jos ei muuten19:14
timppakumikumi_: aikanaan porttasin previewin Samsung noteen kun ei muutakaan ollu19:14
kumikumi_mulla olis tommonen samsung galaxy tab 2 7.0 jossa ei myöskään oikein hyvin toiminut, ei ole vissiin tehty semmosta "flipattua" versiota siitä vielä19:15
timppakumikumi_: just, en oo nyt seurannu oikeen muita porttauksia19:16
marinellaHello guys, how can i add song in my ubuntu touch?19:21
MorgofthAlgem me ajuda será possivel instalar o ubuntu no telefone alcatatel one toutch19:26
successussalud19:28
marinellarbye and thank for help19:31
dakerkumikumi_: failed 3 times but it works now19:36
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someguy_is ubuntu for android an app?20:25
someguy_is ubuntu for android an app?20:27
AskUbuntuUbuntu touch on innotab3? | http://askubuntu.com/q/37465120:29
successussalud, hasta otro rato o/20:43
AskUbuntuNexus 7 Possibly Bricked | http://askubuntu.com/q/37467921:55
ivostoyI have ifc6410 snapdragon board and tried to install ubuntu-touch on it22:33
ivostoyDidn't get recognized of course22:34
ivostoyI saw one post in mailing archives about somebody trying to port to it22:34
ivostoyJust checking if anybody is working on the same task22:35
AskUbuntuQtCreator doesn't let me create Ubuntu Touch apps! | http://askubuntu.com/q/37471023:21
fishsceneAskUbuntu: We will need a lot more detail to even begin helping you.23:29
fishsceneNVM. computer was being stupid and didn't load the 2nd half of your link. -_-23:31
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