[00:34]  * ThatGraemeGuy yawn
[00:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> off we go, at last
[05:07] <magespawn> good morning
[06:15] <Kilos> morning peeps
[06:27] <magespawn> heyho Kilos 
[06:28] <Kilos> hiyo magespawn 
[06:32] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[06:33] <kbmonkey> morning Kilos 
[06:34] <kbmonkey> I think I woke up too early, lol
[06:34] <Kilos> haha
[06:37] <spinza> thanks inetpro (belatedly)
[06:37] <Kilos> morning spinza 
[06:37] <spinza> morning k
[06:39] <spinza> so you were saying I'm safe going from 13.04 -> 13.10.  backup home directory and upgrade?
[06:40] <Kilos> yeah i think so, then once installed do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[06:40] <Kilos> you know terminal use hey?
[06:40] <spinza> yes
[06:41] <Kilos> cool, use sudo with both commands
[06:41] <kbmonkey> morning spinza 
[06:41] <spinza> so will that keep all services installed and settings etc?
[06:41] <kbmonkey> is the pro not in yet kilos
[06:41] <spinza> morning kbmonkey
[06:42] <Kilos> saterday he makes it late this avy or evening kbmonkey 
[06:42] <Kilos> it should spinza 
[06:42] <spinza> i once upgraded ubuntu but it turned out it wiped everything in terms of apps installed and settings
[06:42] <spinza> had to reinstall everything
[06:42] <spinza> can't remember from what to what it was though
[06:43] <Kilos> you might need to install some of the software you use again
[06:43] <kbmonkey> oh noes
[06:43] <kbmonkey> does ubuntu really do that Kilos ? remove apps?
[06:43] <Kilos> but the settings such as mail accounts and so stay
[06:43] <spinza> which software?
[06:43] <Kilos> installed apps
[06:44] <spinza> are they uninstalled?
[06:44] <Kilos> like gimp and so on
[06:44] <Kilos> ask superfly 
[06:44] <kbmonkey> I dont believe that 
[06:44] <Kilos> hi superfly  does upgrading lose installed apps
[06:45] <kbmonkey> oh, no the fly said if you use dist-upgrade it can remove packages if their dependencies fall away
[06:45] <Kilos> i always clean install then just rsync home backup to /home
[06:45] <Kilos> wait spinza 
[06:45] <superfly> no, not unless the repository has mismatching packages
[06:45] <kbmonkey> he then said you should use do-release-upgrade instead
[06:45] <Kilos> type in dash deja
[06:45] <Kilos> or backup
[06:46] <Kilos> that keeps everything working
[06:46] <Kilos> black square box
[06:46] <superfly> I've upgraded kubuntu years in a row without issue. just use do-release-upgrade
[06:47] <spinza> superfly so I should just run the upgrade from the terminal and I should keep apps+settings?
[06:47] <superfly> yes
[06:48] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[06:48] <kbmonkey> thanks fly :]
[06:48] <spinza> thanks kbmonkey kilos & superfly
[06:48] <Kilos> :-)
[06:48] <superfly> if you get one of those popups about upgrading to a new release you can use that too
[06:48] <Kilos> yw spinza 
[06:48] <Kilos> oh ya update manager does that
[06:49] <kbmonkey> yup
[06:49] <superfly> it's a gui version of the command line
[06:49] <Kilos> we so lucky to have the fly as backup
[06:49] <spinza> i do get those but haven't been keen to click it
[06:49] <spinza> have to keep upgrading till i get to a lts again then i'm going to stick with it i think
[06:50] <superfly> I moved to Debian unstable
[06:50] <kbmonkey> how is it superfly ?
[06:50] <superfly> stable
[06:50] <spinza> lol
[06:50] <kbmonkey> figures :]
[06:51] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <kbmonkey> stable and unstable refers to the frequency the packages change, not system stability ;)
[06:52] <superfly> unstable is a little older than Ubuntu but it has been tested more and so far been a better experience
[06:52] <Kilos> oh my
[06:53] <superfly> also unstable is a rolling distro
[06:53] <superfly> so I am always upgrading
[06:54] <Kilos> superfly, when you got time to play just look ate 13.10 kde
[06:54] <Kilos> i love it
[06:54] <kbmonkey> Im thinking to switch to a rolling release. does it use more bandwidth superfly, from the continuous updates, or is it not much more than normal?
[06:55] <Kilos> you get them with your OS kbmonkey ?
[06:55] <Kilos> fly uses kde remember
[06:56] <kbmonkey> its just a Debian base, yes I can switch to sid
[06:56] <Kilos> sid?
[06:56] <superfly> unstable is called sid
[06:57] <Kilos> oh ty
[06:59] <superfly> kbmonkey: I presume it uses more because you're constantly upgrading
[06:59] <kbmonkey> sorry my modem ran out of battery there
[07:00] <Kilos> eish what kinda modem is that
[07:00] <superfly> I'm on uncapped so it doesn't make a difference to me
[07:00]  * kbmonkey shakes an angry fist
[07:00] <kbmonkey> lol
[07:01] <kbmonkey> battery powered wireless broadband Kilos 
[07:01] <kbmonkey> on usb charge
[07:01] <Kilos> aha
[07:02] <Kilos> stuff advancing too fast
[07:02] <superfly> scuse me, I need to install the latest CM nightly
[07:07] <kbmonkey> man I could eat a waffle right about now
[07:08] <Kilos> hehe
[07:08] <superfly> I'm back!
[07:08] <Kilos> that was fast superfly 
[07:09] <Kilos> whats a CM
[07:09] <superfly> CyanogenMod
[07:09] <Kilos> ouch
[07:09] <superfly> it's a custom could of Android
[07:09] <superfly> *build
[07:14] <kbmonkey> sudo make tea
[07:29] <Kilos> whats a micro sd
[07:29] <Kilos> a memory stick for cell phones
[07:31] <magespawn> something like that, usually goes in the phone or tablet to add extra storage space
[07:32] <Kilos> aha ty magespawn me looking stick prices
[07:33] <Kilos> time they brought them down
[07:33] <magespawn> micro version of th cards a lot of cameras use
[07:33] <Kilos> aha
[07:34] <kbmonkey> looks like a tiny sim card
[07:35] <Kilos> oh ya my nokia has one in
[07:36] <Kilos> is that the thing
[07:36] <magespawn> indeed
[07:36] <Kilos> cool beans
[07:44] <Kilos> wow 8ta just peaked at 579 kB/s
[07:44] <Kilos> they really moving
[07:44] <Kilos> from the main server 
[07:45] <Kilos> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[08:09] <magespawn> and then drops hi connection
[08:19] <Kilos> grrr modem timed out even with the ping command running
[08:20] <magespawn> you overloaded the tower with that speed Kilos 
[08:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:20] <Kilos> no man i want more
[08:20] <Kilos> its so lekker
[08:20] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[08:21] <Kilos> will get a telkom sim card this avy
[08:23] <Kilos> but can only test when this 8ta one is empty sigh
[08:24] <Kilos> oh mind you you get 200m free data monthly for 12 months
[08:24] <Kilos> will be lekker for maverick that never updates
[08:27] <Kilos> then maybe even fit an external yagi and see for lte
[08:43] <magespawn> ahh Kilos you have been bitten by the bug
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:44] <Kilos> found some thing about the e220 that shows timeout on alpine linux
[08:44] <Kilos> in /etc/ppp/chat
[08:44] <Kilos> will see if i got that
[08:44] <Kilos> hehe exciting
[08:46] <Kilos> aw no peers or chat there sigh
[08:51] <Kilos> found peers
[10:20] <magespawn> bbl
[11:06] <charl> good afternoon
[11:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:11] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:50] <magespawn> hey 
[12:03] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[12:03] <Kilos> you home now?
[12:18]  * Kilos wonders what happened to smile
[12:47] <magespawn> no still at work
[12:48] <magespawn> just had to take the laptop and go and check the main gate
[13:01] <Kilos> aha
[13:01] <Kilos> most peeps knock off midday on saterday
[13:01] <Kilos> poor magespawn 
[13:54] <magespawn> ahh well this is the life hey Kilos 
[13:54] <Kilos> yeah man
[13:54] <Kilos> you gonna need leave twice a year
[13:55] <magespawn> could actually being doing most of this work from home, i am busy trying to sort of the website
[13:55] <Kilos> sort out?
[13:56] <magespawn> yup thats it
[13:56] <Kilos> why the things always broken?
[13:56] <Kilos> grrr
[14:03] <magespawn> not really sure, i did have a lot to learn regarding how the website worked
[14:03] <Kilos> ok
[14:04] <magespawn> so i am sure the next time i have to do this it will be a lot quicker
[14:06] <Kilos> write down what you do so you dont forget
[14:06] <Kilos> hehe
[14:08] <magespawn> usually when i do something like this i don't forget
[14:12] <magespawn> okay home time, chat later Kilos 
[14:13] <Kilos> go safe
[14:32] <kbmonkey> hello
[14:32] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[14:33] <kbmonkey> now I am tired, did cleaning chores.
[14:33] <Kilos> haha
[14:34] <kbmonkey> wow that the time, where did the day went
[14:34] <Kilos> working on a pc is a bit easier than manual labour hey
[14:34] <Kilos> where did the day go
[14:34] <kbmonkey> yes
[14:36] <kbmonkey> looks like rain again
[14:42] <Kilos> send it here
[14:58] <kbmonkey> sure thing
[14:58]  * kbmonkey rain dance
[14:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[14:58]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:58] <kbmonkey> maaz, dance
[14:58] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What?
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[14:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[15:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[15:03] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you
[15:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[15:08] <Kilos> hehe
[15:08] <Kilos> Maaz, dance
[15:08] <Maaz> Dancing is old fashioned Kilos Its the Toi Toi now
[15:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dance
[15:09] <Maaz> Dancing is old fashioned kbmonkey Its the Toi Toi now
[15:09] <kbmonkey> lol
[15:10] <kbmonkey> 4
[15:10] <kbmonkey> typing is so slow today
[15:10] <kbmonkey> weather
[15:11] <Kilos> old age man and not enough meat
[15:54] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[15:54]  * Kilos gots a new telkom mobile sim
[15:54] <Kilos> R49
[15:54] <Kilos> 200m free data monthly for a year
[15:57] <kbmonkey> that is pretty expensive even for mobile data
[15:57] <kbmonkey> 8ta is R50 per GB
[15:58] <Kilos> the R49 is once of for the starter pack
[15:59] <Kilos> called a prepaid sim internet only
[16:00] <Kilos> hopefully it wont also get smses
[16:01] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^
[16:02] <Kilos> twit
[16:04] <kbmonkey> okay once off makes more sense
[16:05] <kbmonkey> that is a nice emergency data Kilos 
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah
[16:05] <kbmonkey> good man
[16:05] <Kilos> and be good on maverick that dont wanna update/upgrade all the time
[16:18] <kbmonkey> rain is here Kilos did any of it reach you?
[16:19] <Kilos> nope
[16:20] <Kilos> hi User_Private you got your nick back to front
[16:43] <nlsthzn> phew xubuntu 13.10 pretty stable at present... almost two days without a problem and I have even been meddling with wine and playing some Window games...
[16:44] <Kilos> lol hiya nlsthzn 
[16:44] <Kilos> 13.10 kde also no probs , but no wine
[16:45] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:45]  * nlsthzn going to a friend to watch the game in a little bit...
[16:45] <Kilos> how long did the install take till reboot stage
[16:45] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:45] <Kilos> 10 mins
[16:45] <Kilos> 14
[16:45] <nlsthzn> can't remember
[16:46] <nlsthzn> but not long... downloading and installing the language packs always takes the longest...
[16:46] <Kilos> hurry man 
[16:46] <Kilos> you got 14 mins
[16:46] <nlsthzn> ah...
[16:46] <nlsthzn> it only starts half apst
[16:46] <nlsthzn> past
[16:46] <Kilos> oh i dont connect when installing
[16:47] <Kilos> oh
[16:47] <Kilos> they then chatting on the field the comms okes
[16:47] <nlsthzn> ok thx... I wil be going at 19:00 SA time... 1 two minute walk if I walk slowly :p
[16:48] <Kilos> ah
[16:51]  * nlsthzn will be back later or tomorrow or late tomorrow :p
[16:51] <Kilos> ok enjoy the game
[17:50] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:50] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[17:50] <charl> how's it going
[17:50] <charl> sorry i had guests over this afternoon so haven't been checking irc
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <Kilos> wow slick steal
[17:56] <Kilos> oops
[18:15] <inetpro> oops?
[18:15] <inetpro> good evening
[18:15] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:16] <charl> hi inetpro 
[18:16] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you looking for me?
[18:16] <Kilos> that was sposed to be to tara
[18:16] <inetpro> hello charl
[18:16] <charl> how's it going
[18:16] <inetpro> charl: hot in Pretoria, and there?
[18:17] <charl> it's november, not exactly hot right now, but good
[18:17] <inetpro> yikes! Where did the year go?
[18:17] <charl> lol
[18:21] <Kilos> well the first half you were busy and the second half too
[18:22] <inetpro> ai!
[18:23] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[18:23] <charl> lol
[18:23] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: have you sorted your modem?
[18:23] <Kilos> it hasnt timed out and i dunno why
[18:23] <Kilos> but speeds are lekker
[18:24] <Kilos> did you see. 579mB/s
[18:24] <Kilos> 8ta really rocking
[18:25] <inetpro> nice
[18:26] <charl> megabytes per second?
[18:26] <inetpro> uh?
[18:26] <inetpro> 579mB/s ?
[18:26] <Kilos> oops
[18:26] <charl> you got half a gigabit connection there
[18:26] <Kilos> kB/s
[18:26] <charl> oh :)
[18:26] <inetpro> oi
[18:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[18:27] <charl> not unbelievable, if you were on gibabit ethernet and fibre optic
[18:27] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:27] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:27] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[18:27] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[18:27] <Kilos> oh my all the noobs are gone
[18:27] <Kilos> oh no down dere
[18:28]  * inetpro has a download speed of 1.81Mbps and upload speed of 0.35Mbps
[18:28] <Kilos> put that in KB/s
[18:29] <Kilos> slow methinks
[18:29] <inetpro>  /8
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, 18100/8
[18:29] <inetpro> 226
[18:29] <Maaz> Kilos: 2262.5
[18:30] <Kilos> ai
[18:30] <Kilos> 226 kB/s
[18:31] <inetpro> your 579 is fast indeed, but 226 is fast enough to be workable
[18:31] <Kilos> ya i spose
[18:32] <Kilos> mine is really rocking
[18:33] <Kilos> and our main mirror is good
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: you watching rugby?
[18:34] <Kilos> yip
[18:34] <inetpro> what's the score?
[18:34] <Kilos> sharing comments with my brat
[18:35] <Kilos> 17/12 to us
[18:35] <inetpro> cool
[18:36] <Kilos> she knows more about rugby than i do
[18:41]  * inetpro now listening on radio
[18:48] <charl> Kilos: you are talking to your daughter in australia?
[18:48] <Kilos> yip
[18:48] <charl> through instant messaging?
[18:49] <Kilos> yip pidgin and xmpp
[18:49] <charl> awesome!
[18:49] <charl> i use xmpp too to talk to my mom every day
[18:50] <Kilos> ya it works
[18:50] <Kilos> but so does everything in pidgin
[18:50] <charl> she got set up on whatsapp now but i want her to install the guardian project's chatsecure application
[18:50] <charl> because whatsapp is properly monitored by the government
[18:50] <Kilos> mxit aim etc etc
[18:50] <charl> yeah but xmpp is an open standard
[18:50] <charl> that's the way the internet was meant to be - based on open standards
[18:51] <charl> not proprietary like msn, skype, icq etc
[18:51] <charl> interestingly, whatsapp is also based on xmpp, but it doesn't seem to support federation
[18:52] <charl> and they don't use end-to-end encryption, it's nsa friendly
[18:54] <charl> https://guardianproject.info/apps/chatsecure/
[19:22] <Kilos> maar sleg gespeel
[19:22] <Kilos> darem gewen
[19:27] <Kilos> inetpro, ians sound from apps like pidgin and skype just stopped and i cant find where i saved the commands to check sound
[19:27] <Kilos> on 12.04 kde
[19:28] <charl> alsamixer ?
[19:28] <Kilos> i dont think that comes installed by default does it
[19:29] <Kilos> the mixer i mean
[19:29] <charl> yes
[19:29] <charl> it does
[19:29] <Kilos> oh maybe it got muted somehow
[19:30] <Kilos> plays music and boot sound works
[19:30] <charl> yeah, but it could be master, headphone, speaker, pcm etc
[19:31] <charl> oh, weird
[19:31] <Kilos> weill get him to check it ty
[19:31] <charl> np
[19:31] <Kilos> only sound from apps dont work
[19:31] <charl> sorry for answering instead of inetpro :)
[19:32] <charl> but i just had some issues myself and solved them using alsamixer
[19:32] <Kilos> np ty
[19:32] <Kilos> any help welcome
[20:04] <Kilos> aptitude upgrade fixed his sound
[20:04] <Kilos> he says it found lotsa probs
[20:04]  * Kilos loves aptitude
[20:04] <Kilos> and my bed
[20:07] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:19] <theblazehen> hey guys
[21:20] <theblazehen> anyone got experience with PXE booting, and transparent squid proxies?