[00:34] * ThatGraemeGuy yawn [00:34] off we go, at last [05:07] good morning [06:15] morning peeps [06:27] heyho Kilos [06:28] hiyo magespawn [06:32] hi kbmonkey [06:33] morning Kilos [06:34] I think I woke up too early, lol [06:34] haha [06:37] thanks inetpro (belatedly) [06:37] morning spinza [06:37] morning k [06:39] so you were saying I'm safe going from 13.04 -> 13.10. backup home directory and upgrade? [06:40] yeah i think so, then once installed do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade [06:40] you know terminal use hey? [06:40] yes [06:41] cool, use sudo with both commands [06:41] morning spinza [06:41] so will that keep all services installed and settings etc? [06:41] is the pro not in yet kilos [06:41] morning kbmonkey [06:42] saterday he makes it late this avy or evening kbmonkey [06:42] it should spinza [06:42] i once upgraded ubuntu but it turned out it wiped everything in terms of apps installed and settings [06:42] had to reinstall everything [06:42] can't remember from what to what it was though [06:43] you might need to install some of the software you use again [06:43] oh noes [06:43] does ubuntu really do that Kilos ? remove apps? [06:43] but the settings such as mail accounts and so stay [06:43] which software? [06:43] installed apps [06:44] are they uninstalled? [06:44] like gimp and so on [06:44] ask superfly [06:44] I dont believe that [06:44] hi superfly does upgrading lose installed apps [06:45] oh, no the fly said if you use dist-upgrade it can remove packages if their dependencies fall away [06:45] i always clean install then just rsync home backup to /home [06:45] wait spinza [06:45] no, not unless the repository has mismatching packages [06:45] he then said you should use do-release-upgrade instead [06:45] type in dash deja [06:45] or backup [06:46] that keeps everything working [06:46] black square box [06:46] I've upgraded kubuntu years in a row without issue. just use do-release-upgrade [06:47] superfly so I should just run the upgrade from the terminal and I should keep apps+settings? [06:47] yes [06:48] ty superfly [06:48] thanks fly :] [06:48] thanks kbmonkey kilos & superfly [06:48] :-) [06:48] if you get one of those popups about upgrading to a new release you can use that too [06:48] yw spinza [06:48] oh ya update manager does that [06:49] yup [06:49] it's a gui version of the command line [06:49] we so lucky to have the fly as backup [06:49] i do get those but haven't been keen to click it [06:49] have to keep upgrading till i get to a lts again then i'm going to stick with it i think [06:50] I moved to Debian unstable [06:50] how is it superfly ? [06:50] stable [06:50] lol [06:50] figures :] [06:51] lol [06:51] stable and unstable refers to the frequency the packages change, not system stability ;) [06:52] unstable is a little older than Ubuntu but it has been tested more and so far been a better experience [06:52] oh my [06:53] also unstable is a rolling distro [06:53] so I am always upgrading [06:54] superfly, when you got time to play just look ate 13.10 kde [06:54] i love it [06:54] Im thinking to switch to a rolling release. does it use more bandwidth superfly, from the continuous updates, or is it not much more than normal? [06:55] you get them with your OS kbmonkey ? [06:55] fly uses kde remember [06:56] its just a Debian base, yes I can switch to sid [06:56] sid? [06:56] unstable is called sid [06:57] oh ty [06:59] kbmonkey: I presume it uses more because you're constantly upgrading [06:59] sorry my modem ran out of battery there [07:00] eish what kinda modem is that [07:00] I'm on uncapped so it doesn't make a difference to me [07:00] * kbmonkey shakes an angry fist [07:00] lol [07:01] battery powered wireless broadband Kilos [07:01] on usb charge [07:01] aha [07:02] stuff advancing too fast [07:02] scuse me, I need to install the latest CM nightly [07:07] man I could eat a waffle right about now [07:08] hehe [07:08] I'm back! [07:08] that was fast superfly [07:09] whats a CM [07:09] CyanogenMod [07:09] ouch [07:09] it's a custom could of Android [07:09] *build [07:14] sudo make tea [07:29] whats a micro sd [07:29] a memory stick for cell phones [07:31] something like that, usually goes in the phone or tablet to add extra storage space [07:32] aha ty magespawn me looking stick prices [07:33] time they brought them down [07:33] micro version of th cards a lot of cameras use [07:33] aha [07:34] looks like a tiny sim card [07:35] oh ya my nokia has one in [07:36] is that the thing [07:36] indeed [07:36] cool beans [07:44] wow 8ta just peaked at 579 kB/s [07:44] they really moving [07:44] from the main server [07:45] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ [08:09] and then drops hi connection [08:19] grrr modem timed out even with the ping command running [08:20] you overloaded the tower with that speed Kilos [08:20] hahaha [08:20] no man i want more [08:20] its so lekker [08:20] hi Xethron [08:21] will get a telkom sim card this avy [08:23] but can only test when this 8ta one is empty sigh [08:24] oh mind you you get 200m free data monthly for 12 months [08:24] will be lekker for maverick that never updates [08:27] then maybe even fit an external yagi and see for lte [08:43] ahh Kilos you have been bitten by the bug [08:43] lol [08:44] found some thing about the e220 that shows timeout on alpine linux [08:44] in /etc/ppp/chat [08:44] will see if i got that [08:44] hehe exciting [08:46] aw no peers or chat there sigh [08:51] found peers [10:20] bbl [11:06] good afternoon [11:06] Maaz: coffee on [11:06] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [11:10] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:11] hi charl [11:50] hey [12:03] wb magespawn [12:03] you home now? [12:18] * Kilos wonders what happened to smile [12:47] no still at work [12:48] just had to take the laptop and go and check the main gate [13:01] aha [13:01] most peeps knock off midday on saterday [13:01] poor magespawn [13:54] ahh well this is the life hey Kilos [13:54] yeah man [13:54] you gonna need leave twice a year [13:55] could actually being doing most of this work from home, i am busy trying to sort of the website [13:55] sort out? [13:56] yup thats it [13:56] why the things always broken? [13:56] grrr [14:03] not really sure, i did have a lot to learn regarding how the website worked [14:03] ok [14:04] so i am sure the next time i have to do this it will be a lot quicker [14:06] write down what you do so you dont forget [14:06] hehe [14:08] usually when i do something like this i don't forget [14:12] okay home time, chat later Kilos [14:13] go safe [14:32] hello [14:32] hi kbmonkey [14:33] now I am tired, did cleaning chores. [14:33] haha [14:34] wow that the time, where did the day went [14:34] working on a pc is a bit easier than manual labour hey [14:34] where did the day go [14:34] yes [14:36] looks like rain again [14:42] send it here [14:58] sure thing [14:58] * kbmonkey rain dance [14:58] Maaz, coffee on [14:58] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [14:58] maaz, dance [14:58] kbmonkey: What? [14:59] Maaz, coffee please [14:59] Kilos: Righto [15:02] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos! [15:03] Maaz, thank you [15:03] Kilos: Sure [15:08] hehe [15:08] Maaz, dance [15:08] Dancing is old fashioned Kilos Its the Toi Toi now [15:09] Maaz, dance [15:09] Dancing is old fashioned kbmonkey Its the Toi Toi now [15:09] lol [15:10] 4 [15:10] typing is so slow today [15:10] weather [15:11] old age man and not enough meat [15:54] wb kbmonkey [15:54] * Kilos gots a new telkom mobile sim [15:54] R49 [15:54] 200m free data monthly for a year [15:57] that is pretty expensive even for mobile data [15:57] 8ta is R50 per GB [15:58] the R49 is once of for the starter pack [15:59] called a prepaid sim internet only [16:00] hopefully it wont also get smses [16:01] kbmonkey, ^^ [16:02] twit [16:04] okay once off makes more sense [16:05] that is a nice emergency data Kilos [16:05] yeah [16:05] good man [16:05] and be good on maverick that dont wanna update/upgrade all the time [16:18] rain is here Kilos did any of it reach you? [16:19] nope [16:20] hi User_Private you got your nick back to front [16:43] phew xubuntu 13.10 pretty stable at present... almost two days without a problem and I have even been meddling with wine and playing some Window games... [16:44] lol hiya nlsthzn [16:44] 13.10 kde also no probs , but no wine [16:45] :) [16:45] * nlsthzn going to a friend to watch the game in a little bit... [16:45] how long did the install take till reboot stage [16:45] enjoy [16:45] 10 mins [16:45] 14 [16:45] can't remember [16:46] but not long... downloading and installing the language packs always takes the longest... [16:46] hurry man [16:46] you got 14 mins [16:46] ah... [16:46] it only starts half apst [16:46] past [16:46] oh i dont connect when installing [16:47] oh [16:47] they then chatting on the field the comms okes [16:47] ok thx... I wil be going at 19:00 SA time... 1 two minute walk if I walk slowly :p [16:48] ah [16:51] * nlsthzn will be back later or tomorrow or late tomorrow :p [16:51] ok enjoy the game [17:50] hi Kilos [17:50] hi nlsthzn [17:50] how's it going [17:50] sorry i had guests over this afternoon so haven't been checking irc [17:54] hehe [17:55] wow slick steal [17:56] oops [18:15] oops? [18:15] good evening [18:15] oh and hi Kilos [18:16] lo inetpro [18:16] hi inetpro [18:16] kbmonkey: you looking for me? [18:16] that was sposed to be to tara [18:16] hello charl [18:16] how's it going [18:16] charl: hot in Pretoria, and there? [18:17] it's november, not exactly hot right now, but good [18:17] yikes! Where did the year go? [18:17] lol [18:21] well the first half you were busy and the second half too [18:22] ai! [18:23] Maaz: coffee on [18:23] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [18:23] Maaz, coffee please [18:23] Kilos: Righto [18:23] Maaz, large [18:23] lol [18:23] In a beer mug just for you Kilos [18:23] Kilos: have you sorted your modem? [18:23] it hasnt timed out and i dunno why [18:23] but speeds are lekker [18:24] did you see. 579mB/s [18:24] 8ta really rocking [18:25] nice [18:26] megabytes per second? [18:26] uh? [18:26] 579mB/s ? [18:26] oops [18:26] you got half a gigabit connection there [18:26] kB/s [18:26] oh :) [18:26] oi [18:27] Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! [18:27] not unbelievable, if you were on gibabit ethernet and fibre optic [18:27] Maaz: dankie [18:27] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [18:27] Maaz, gracias [18:27] Kilos: ¡de nada! [18:27] oh my all the noobs are gone [18:27] oh no down dere [18:28] * inetpro has a download speed of 1.81Mbps and upload speed of 0.35Mbps [18:28] put that in KB/s [18:29] slow methinks [18:29] /8 [18:29] Maaz, 18100/8 [18:29] 226 [18:29] Kilos: 2262.5 [18:30] ai [18:30] 226 kB/s [18:31] your 579 is fast indeed, but 226 is fast enough to be workable [18:31] ya i spose [18:32] mine is really rocking [18:33] and our main mirror is good [18:34] Kilos: you watching rugby? [18:34] yip [18:34] what's the score? [18:34] sharing comments with my brat [18:35] 17/12 to us [18:35] cool [18:36] she knows more about rugby than i do [18:41] * inetpro now listening on radio [18:48] Kilos: you are talking to your daughter in australia? [18:48] yip [18:48] through instant messaging? [18:49] yip pidgin and xmpp [18:49] awesome! [18:49] i use xmpp too to talk to my mom every day [18:50] ya it works [18:50] but so does everything in pidgin [18:50] she got set up on whatsapp now but i want her to install the guardian project's chatsecure application [18:50] because whatsapp is properly monitored by the government [18:50] mxit aim etc etc [18:50] yeah but xmpp is an open standard [18:50] that's the way the internet was meant to be - based on open standards [18:51] not proprietary like msn, skype, icq etc [18:51] interestingly, whatsapp is also based on xmpp, but it doesn't seem to support federation [18:52] and they don't use end-to-end encryption, it's nsa friendly [18:54] https://guardianproject.info/apps/chatsecure/ [19:22] maar sleg gespeel [19:22] darem gewen [19:27] inetpro, ians sound from apps like pidgin and skype just stopped and i cant find where i saved the commands to check sound [19:27] on 12.04 kde [19:28] alsamixer ? [19:28] i dont think that comes installed by default does it [19:29] the mixer i mean [19:29] yes [19:29] it does [19:29] oh maybe it got muted somehow [19:30] plays music and boot sound works [19:30] yeah, but it could be master, headphone, speaker, pcm etc [19:31] oh, weird [19:31] weill get him to check it ty [19:31] np [19:31] only sound from apps dont work [19:31] sorry for answering instead of inetpro :) [19:32] but i just had some issues myself and solved them using alsamixer [19:32] np ty [19:32] any help welcome [20:04] aptitude upgrade fixed his sound [20:04] he says it found lotsa probs [20:04] * Kilos loves aptitude [20:04] and my bed [20:07] night all. sleep tight [21:19] hey guys [21:20] anyone got experience with PXE booting, and transparent squid proxies?