| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| Azelphur | Low: $267.21, High: $352.12, Bitcoin market volatility at its finest (3 hour time frame) | 01:27 |
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| daftykins | i had a message from my brother asking if i did anything with bitcoin today | 01:28 |
| daftykins | i lawl'd 'cause i don't understand it at all | 01:28 |
| daftykins | he alluded to that common idea of leaving a box crunching away mining | 01:28 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 01:28 |
| daftykins | but i said that from what i had heard that tends to just offset against your electricity bill :D | 01:28 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: that means that the value of 1 bitcoin has fluctuated between $267.21 and $352.12 over the past 3 hours | 01:29 |
| Azelphur | almost $100 price fluctuation xD | 01:29 |
| daftykins | oh i more meant the entire bitcoin phenomena | 01:30 |
| daftykins | but ja, that's pretty mad | 01:30 |
| Azelphur | which means my BTC holdings have fluctuated between $30729 and $40493 | 01:30 |
| Azelphur | ergo, I just lost, and regained, $10k value | 01:30 |
| Azelphur | bitcoin is a fun little rollercoaster. | 01:30 |
| daftykins | could you pull the trigger and cash-out instantly though? taxman aside | 01:31 |
| Azelphur | yea | 01:31 |
| Azelphur | well not super instantly, I'd have to boot up my laptop with the encrypted drive | 01:31 |
| Azelphur | and transfer the funds into an exchange | 01:31 |
| ali1234 | what exchange was at $267?? | 02:32 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: bitstamp | 02:32 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | gox was at $381 earlier | 02:33 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: yea, it's pre-crashing :) | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | i should add bitstamp to my thing | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: mining was really profitable if you did it two years ago | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | it's impossible now | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | unless you have specialist hardware, which is almost impossible to buy | 02:35 |
| Azelphur | unless you're me | 02:35 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: part of me wonders if I should go lawsuit BFL for late shipping | 02:35 |
| Azelphur | they cost me a boatload | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | you're lucky to even get anything | 02:35 |
| Azelphur | true | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | you won't get anything from suing them, due to everyone else doing the same thing | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | so i'd say it's a waste of time | 02:36 |
| Azelphur | amazingly, nobody else seems to be doing it | 02:36 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: in other news, my channel has been taking great amusement at https://github.com/search?q=exec+sudo+%24_GET&type=Code | 02:37 |
| Azelphur | I'm sure you'll enjoy it too xD | 02:37 |
| ali1234 | i don't get it | 02:38 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: don't know PHP? | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | well obviously php cannot into sudo | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | if it's not interactive | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | unless the host is really badly configured | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | but other than that i don't get it | 02:38 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: they probably nosudo'd it to get that code to work, I'd guess | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | wait | 02:39 |
| ali1234 | sudo $_GET | 02:39 |
| ali1234 | noooooooo | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | noooooooooooooooooooo | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | /o\ | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | exec anything with $_GET is bad enough, you can just inject your own sudo if you want | 02:41 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: hahaha | 02:55 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: you figured it out gz | 02:55 |
| Azelphur | :P | 02:55 |
| ali1234 | hmm... it's now possible to have two gmail accounts open in tabs without one getting booted out | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | this is cool | 09:38 |
| jussi | ali1234: welcome to 2011 | 09:38 |
| jussi | :P | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | well it never worked for me as recently as ... about 2 months ago | 09:38 |
| jussi | ali1234: you just have to enable it | 09:39 |
| jussi | up to 4 accounts at once | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | i did | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | it seems to have started working when they changed the login screen recently | 09:39 |
| jussi | and then dont log out of the first one, you click the corner and click "add account" | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | yes, that | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | i was doing that months ago | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | if i had two gmail tabs open on the same account, and then clicked that to open a different one, the other tab would also be booted out | 09:40 |
| popey | I'm still keeping separate browser windows for separate accounts | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | I've started doing that as well | 09:46 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| Myrtti | need to do hangouts for work, so I've got them on a separate profile in chromium and my own stuff in firefox | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | you can have 2 profiles inside chrom(e|ium), running at the same time (in different windows, like private mode) | 09:52 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:56 |
| Myrtti | Yeah | 10:03 |
| Myrtti | I did use separate profiles on Firefox first | 10:03 |
| nigelb | ali1234: Oh, yeah. It stopped working for me recently too. | 10:04 |
| * nigelb needs to try again. | 10:05 | |
| Myrtti | but gdocs and hangouts work better on chromium, so I made a new profile for my work persona for chromium | 10:05 |
| popey | I have 14 chromium personas | 10:06 |
| popey | probably should shrink that a bit | 10:06 |
| popey | mostly for separate random twitter accounts | 10:09 |
| AlanBell | morning | 10:18 |
| * AlanBell upgraded the home always-on server to 13.10 | 10:18 | |
| AlanBell | and couldn't get it to boot with the new kernel, so is now using a raspberry pi instead :) | 10:19 |
| brobostigon | i am an rpi doing loads of stuff, radvd, dlna, webcam server, get-iplayer repo. | 10:20 |
| AlanBell | http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video is now back up (the server does the html page around the image, and reverse proxies the image) | 10:22 |
| brobostigon | cool. | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | i've probably asked this before, but is there any way to make xterm cat it's stdin? | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | eg to watch stderr on an interactive command: somecommand 2> $(xterm cat) | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | why xterm? | 10:36 |
| AlanBell | and not the tty device? | 10:36 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, just seemed logical | 10:37 |
| AlanBell | if you do tty in the target xterm, then echo "foo" > /dev/pts/9 (or whatever) then it comes up | 10:39 |
| ali1234 | i could also use a named pipe, or a logfile and tail, but that's messy | 10:40 |
| AlanBell | but that does require you to launch the target xterm and find the tty number | 10:40 |
| === funkyHat1 is now known as funkyHat | ||
| dwatkins | AlanBell: I like your cluster idea, makes me wish I had the cash to burn so I could have you name it flibbertygibbet or something ;) | 13:46 |
| AlanBell | :) | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: try ssh'ing into "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | without tab-completion | 13:47 |
| dwatkins | Host supercalifragilisticexpialidocious not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) ;) | 13:50 |
| dwatkins | I was thinking more the name of the "let's compile Ubuntu for the ARM processor in the Raspberry Pi", but that would also be amusing. | 13:50 |
| dwatkins | We used to have a mailserver called Sagittarius, but no-one knew how to spell it. | 13:51 |
| MartijnVdS | "I name it `pwgen -sy 30 1`" | 13:52 |
| AlanBell | 50 character limit :) | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: pwgen -sy 50 1 then | 13:52 |
| AlanBell | yay | 13:52 |
| penguin42 | dwatkins: You're not trying if you don't get unicode into the hostname | 13:53 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: ooh, Punycode :) | 13:54 |
| dwatkins | Can you use unicode in DNS names? | 14:07 |
| dwatkins | I vaguely remember reading it used to be allowed, but isn't any more, suggesting you can only use letters from "our" 26-letter alphabet. | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | I thought there were top level internationals? | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | you can probably use it in a hostname | 14:09 |
| * penguin42 boots a VM to try | 14:09 | |
| ali1234 | reddit is letting gold buyers name servers now | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | one of them got named localhost | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | ouch | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | hmm hostname didn't like the fliptext I gave it | 14:11 |
| penguin42 | hmm, hostnamectl will set it | 14:13 |
| penguin42 | haha - but sethostname does ! | 14:15 |
| penguin42 | as does avahi-set-host-name | 14:17 |
| === FixUbuntu is now known as LjL | ||
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Oh I hadn't read about punycode before - very neat | 14:24 |
| shauno | there's sort of unicode dns names .. they get translated into ascii for lookups, which is a little mind bending | 14:35 |
| shauno | eg, http://💩.l | 14:37 |
| shauno | or not. ate that one bad lol | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Yeh that's apparently the Punycode | 14:40 |
| shauno | ah, I didn't know it had a name. the only rfc I've seen it in just calls it ToAscii. and then proceeds to warp your mind trying to explain how it works | 14:43 |
| shauno | absolutely miserable here today, but I fear rain isn't going to be an acceptable excuse for avoiding the cinema :/ | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | it's ok here today, yesterday was biblical - thunder, hail, localised flooding etc | 14:50 |
| shauno | oh this isn't that bad, just "blah". nonstop rain for the last 8 hours | 14:52 |
| shauno | combined with sunday busses being run apparently by lottery, and my motivation to get into town is destroyed | 14:53 |
| penguin42 | http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/flooding-after-hail-rain-thunder-6288101 | 14:53 |
| shauno | heh, fun | 14:55 |
| shauno | I haven't actually seen lightning since I moved here (2006). strange place | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | blue skies today | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | where? | 14:55 |
| shauno | west coast of ireland | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | so you watch the storms roll in off the atlantic, go past and dump it on us? | 14:58 |
| shauno | when I was in the states, it seemed to be lightning all autumn. sun all summer, and snow all winter. all three are incredibly rare here | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | generally we don't get much extreme weather - it's all kind of meh | 15:00 |
| shauno | I used to live in barrow (south lakes) .. I assume it's much of the same there | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | well, they don't call it lakes for nothing | 15:03 |
| shauno | they call it lakes because it sounds much prettier than what it actually is ;) | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | barrow is the industrially bit isn't/wasn't it? | 15:04 |
| shauno | it was. it's now the unemployed bit. built on ironworks & shipbuilding - neither of which are particularly strong industries anymore | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | nod | 15:06 |
| shauno | about the only thing they have left is that we can't outsource the military, so they still build submarines | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | nod, I know someone who is an admin at a small ISP somewhere around there as well | 15:08 |
| shauno | although last I heard, they still had europe's largest door. which is a claim to fame I guess | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | ? Something for a submarine shed? | 15:09 |
| shauno | yeah. they're built indoors | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | wouldn't want them to get wet | 15:09 |
| shauno | I Think it's kinda neat. it's nice to think that our nuclear deterent is built by some northern lads in a shed | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | haha well if you put it like that | 15:12 |
| dwatkins | I just broke my Windows 8 installation (deleted the D: drive whilst changing the linux swap partition size) - good job I don't really use nor care about it :) | 16:40 |
| daftykins | D: | 16:41 |
| daftykins | whoops | 16:41 |
| dwatkins | Yeah, that was my reaction, followed by a shrug. I can't remember the last time I used it for anything but games. | 16:41 |
| dwatkins | Time to move Ubuntu onto the SSD :D | 16:42 |
| daftykins | i've still not even used 8 native - though i'd want to acquire an 8.1 ISO now | 16:42 |
| dwatkins | I played Borderlands 2 and Homeworld 2 on it a bit, but they are easily reinstalled. | 16:44 |
| dwatkins | My only dilemma now is whether Windows 8 can exist on the 2nd physical disk, which isn't an SSD. | 16:44 |
| dwatkins | I'll either use this HOWTO or just reinstall 13.10 - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MovingLinuxPartition | 16:45 |
| daftykins | ah the ol' juggling fun :) | 16:47 |
| dwatkins | Yeah, probably easier to just reinstall - might give Debian a try... | 16:48 |
| * penguin42 is running Fedora/KDE on his main machine now - its' interesting, from a KDE perspective mostly the same, some places work better some worse | 16:49 | |
| dwatkins | I'd like to give Gnome 3 a try. | 16:53 |
| penguin42 | dwatkins: Well you can do that on any of them | 16:53 |
| dwatkins | Yeah, it's the default on recent Debians, I gather, and I'm curious to see how well Steam runs on Debian, too. | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | how recent? | 16:54 |
| dwatkins | Wheezy, I guess, ali1234. | 16:55 |
| dwatkins | turns out the reason for all this is that I left my USB stick connected, so sda became the stick, and sdb and sdc are the new sda and sdb | 16:56 |
| daftykins | erk | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | dwatkins: Yeh well the sd* naming is unspecified - you're not supposed to rely on them! | 16:57 |
| dwatkins | Just goes to show you should always check before doing mkswap /dev/sdb2 | 16:57 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I remembered that afterwards, penguin42 ... | 16:57 |
| penguin42 | dwatkins: I just wanted to rub it in | 16:57 |
| dwatkins | hehe | 16:58 |
| dwatkins | all this was probably pointless, and I'll most likely discover that hibernation isn't working for some other reason, but at least I havn't lost anything important. | 16:59 |
| daftykins | how might i recursively grep a folder of .php configs and other files for "10.10.10.10" appearing somewhere therein? | 17:17 |
| daftykins | grep -r <string> * <-- is what i tried | 17:17 |
| penguin42 | grep -r '10[.]10[.]10[.]10' . | 17:19 |
| daftykins | ah, the periods had to be escaped? | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | yeh because they'll match on anything | 17:20 |
| daftykins | ah :) i just got nothing from either | 17:20 |
| daftykins | ty though! | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | try it on a dummy text file first | 17:21 |
| daftykins | i've just manually updated a wordpress site to the latest version but it still has issues connecting out | 17:21 |
| dwatkins | Interestingly, Windows 8 recovered from my running mkswap on its C: drive, I guess it only wrote to the start of the partition. | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | mkswap doesn't do very much at all unless you actually mount the swap | 17:25 |
| dwatkins | I added it, realised it was 10 times too big, then swapoff'ed it. | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | s/added/mounted/ | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | Having 8 GB of RAM is kinda useful. | 17:26 |
| thatgreenguy | admin python | 17:28 |
| daftykins | ooh i finally have more error detail | 17:35 |
| thatgreenguy | #python | 17:38 |
| penguin42 | thatgreenguy: You need to do /join #python | 17:39 |
| daftykins | [Sun Nov 10 17:42:32 2013] [error] [client 80.73.221.144] PHP Warning: An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server's configuration. If you continue to have problems, please try the <a href="http://wordpress.org/support/">support forums</a>. (WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator.) in .../wp-admin/includes/plugin-install | 17:49 |
| daftykins | that's what i'm getting on my VPS | 17:49 |
| daftykins | very, very odd | 17:50 |
| penguin42 | can it resolve wordpress.org? | 17:50 |
| daftykins | yep, wget files, connect with both SSL and without | 17:50 |
| daftykins | echo $http_proxy returns a blank line, so no proxy is set i assume | 17:52 |
| * penguin42 knows neither wordpress or php, but is there any way to trace what it's doing - if all else fails tcpdump or strace? | 17:52 | |
| daftykins | that's an idea | 17:53 |
| daftykins | not used tcpdump before mind you | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: IMHO probably your easiest way if it's on a remote server is to use tcpdump to a file and then pull the file back to a local machine and poke at it with wireshark | 17:54 |
| daftykins | sounds good | 17:54 |
| daftykins | penguin42: hrmm i can see DNS queries in my captures to api.wordpress.org but after that i can't tell what's going on | 18:04 |
| daftykins | i think it gets the DNS response but then i have no record of it communicating with it | 18:07 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: So you don't see it trying to open a connection to the IP it gets back? | 18:22 |
| daftykins | no :S | 18:22 |
| penguin42 | hmm, can you open a connection to api.wordpress.org? | 18:23 |
| daftykins | yeah i used wget to grab its' index before | 18:23 |
| daftykins | via https | 18:23 |
| daftykins | there was an odd packet immediately after the DNS queries though | 18:24 |
| penguin42 | do you see the DNS reply? | 18:25 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cloqlhxdw6z8r6/cap.png | 18:25 |
| daftykins | penguin42: what do you make of that? | 18:25 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: What's that 80.73.221.144 address - bbdhome2-221-144.network.sure.com ? | 18:28 |
| daftykins | mine | 18:28 |
| daftykins | i'm SSH'd in | 18:28 |
| penguin42 | ok, so did you have a web browser open and got an internal server error back? | 18:29 |
| daftykins | yep | 18:29 |
| daftykins | i performed my test action which errors, to try and get it to show packets of what it's up to | 18:30 |
| daftykins | (in this case, searching for plugins - which goes off to the wordpress API site for results) | 18:30 |
| penguin42 | that I think is just part of that reply which you see in the full packet on the next line, it didn't fit in one ether (TCP?) packet | 18:30 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 18:31 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I don't see anything wrong there - maybe the AAAA lookups aren't helping, but I doubt it | 18:32 |
| daftykins | hmm an IPv4 vs. v6 quirk? | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | maybe, but I doubt it - you can see it's doing IPv4 DNS lookups for both the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, and only getting an IPv4 address back (is my reading) - so that should be OK? | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: But it doesn't look like it's then trying to open any connection | 18:33 |
| daftykins | indeed, it's like it gives up | 18:33 |
| daftykins | thanks penguin42 - i've no idea who to ask this of next :S | 18:33 |
| daftykins | actually maybe if i create a test site | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | a php person I think | 18:34 |
| daftykins | i can see if a stock one works | 18:34 |
| daftykins | hehe | 18:34 |
| MartijnVdS | Yay! | 19:51 |
| MartijnVdS | Just ordered some EP I've wanted for *years* | 19:52 |
| MartijnVdS | (but that wasn't available) | 19:52 |
| penguin42 | you mean one of those vinyl things? | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: no, a CD (the digital edition exists, but is missing a track) | 19:55 |
| penguin42 | oh, that's ok then - of what? | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: http://www.nerinapallot.com/shop2/?productDetails.cfm?Basket=1@,&ProductID=1500 | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | that one :) | 19:56 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Never heard of her - but ... Buckminster fuller as a song.... | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7eclTcAht0 | 19:59 |
| shauno | what's that 500 Server Error on the line below the one highlighted? | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: which one? | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: oh you're reading backlog | 20:00 |
| shauno | sorry, the screencap of wireshark | 20:00 |
| shauno | ah yeah, didn't notice that was 90 mins ago | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: How bizarre | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | shauno: I think that's the result of the reassembly of the one that's highlighted ? | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: I drove to Cornwall to see her last May. She's great :) | 20:01 |
| penguin42 | from where? | 20:06 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: from my place in the Netherlands | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: so.. here to Rotterdam, then Harwich to Land's End | 20:07 |
| penguin42 | wow | 20:08 |
| daftykins | shauno: are you good with wordpress and related shenanigans? | 20:08 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: I needed a few days off anyway, drove down (and back up) over 3-4 days :) | 20:08 |
| shauno | not particularly lol | 20:08 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: (so a week total) | 20:08 |
| daftykins | shauno: the next packet was just the web server coming back with the error page that it can't contact wordpress' API domain | 20:08 |
| popey | Evening. | 20:08 |
| shauno | I was just curious where the 500 was coming from, because there'd be more logged on the server for that | 20:08 |
| shauno | ah | 20:08 |
| daftykins | shauno: this is the issue i've been fighting with tonight, both the real site and a test wordpress site can't talk to wordpress.org on my bigv VPS | 20:09 |
| daftykins | i've asked the web dev that made the site but he's stumped | 20:09 |
| shauno | it almost looks like 'happy eyeballs' going wrong | 20:11 |
| daftykins | huh? :) | 20:11 |
| shauno | this practice of sending A & AAAA requests together instead of sequentially | 20:12 |
| daftykins | hmm | 20:12 |
| daftykins | any thoughts on how to rule that out from testing? | 20:12 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: disable IPv4 xor IPv6 | 20:13 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: if that makes it work, you've found the problem | 20:13 |
| shauno | pretty much, yeah :/ | 20:13 |
| daftykins | ooh - can i stop apache running on IPv6 0o | 20:13 |
| daftykins | would that work maybe? or does the PHP code being system level still see interfaces and get results etc. | 20:13 |
| shauno | (or making it try to hit a host that does have an AAAA record) | 20:13 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: you need to deconfigure the address, or libc will magically send AAAA and A requests | 20:14 |
| shauno | the crashcourse on 'happy eyeballs' is that originally the RFCs said you queried AAAA first and A if it returned negative, if you have a native (not-teredo, etc) v6 route. | 20:16 |
| shauno | which was a great plan until real life showed up, and sticking that delay on every single v4 query sucked. so now they have a scheme where they send them in parallel | 20:16 |
| daftykins | :> | 20:17 |
| daftykins | perhaps it not getting an answer for both is indeed, why it seems to give up trying | 20:17 |
| shauno | well, I'm not getting a v6 for wordpress.org either | 20:17 |
| daftykins | and api.wordpress.org ? | 20:18 |
| shauno | is just a cname to wordpress.org | 20:18 |
| shauno | I gotta pop out :/ but on that, it is the dns I'd be looking at, because there's no outgoing connections after the response | 20:19 |
| shauno | it gets the dns response, and then complains. rather than trying to connect to anything at all, and then complaining | 20:20 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 20:20 |
| daftykins | thanks shauno | 20:21 |
| daftykins | i echo'd 1 to /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/disable_ipv6 | 20:23 |
| daftykins | the interface lost its' v6 config | 20:23 |
| daftykins | but no change has been had | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | that's not the problem you had - the problem was it was doing an IPv4 lookup for IPv6 addresses | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | so that's DNS config - although I actually doubt it's the problem you had | 20:24 |
| daftykins | oh? | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Yeh all the packets were on IPv4 addresses, but it was sending a AAAA DNS lookup which is for IPv6 addresses | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | (but since it got a reply to the A query, that's why I'm saying I doubt it's the problem - but it's possible) | 20:25 |
| daftykins | sorry i must be being daft here, i see it sent both queries then it got the v4 replies - isn't that normal? | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | it is | 20:25 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: have you seen the pic in question? | 20:26 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cloqlhxdw6z8r6/cap.png | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: yes, the server replies "500" which means something on the server doesn't like the request | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | the request is sent, and is responded to | 20:26 |
| daftykins | nah that's the error page saying it was unable to contact the API at wordpress | 20:26 |
| daftykins | the thing i'm doing on the site (searching for a plugin) trips out | 20:27 |
| daftykins | "WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator." | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: it doesn't do anything but a DNS request, before it determines it can't connect to WP? | 20:27 |
| daftykins | correct | 20:27 |
| daftykins | highly suspicious isn't it? | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | maybe you don't have php-ssl installed? :) | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | or whatever PHP uses to talk SSL | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ("secure connection") | 20:28 |
| daftykins | i can't see a relevant package | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | because it's not even sending a SYN to open a connection to one of the IPs it receives from the DNS lookup | 20:28 |
| daftykins | indeed | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: the openssl-module is included with php, but your extensions.ini might have it disabled | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | can you ping the address? (api.wordpress.org) | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | 66.155.30.{249,250} | 20:30 |
| daftykins | yep and wget the index | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | using https? | 20:30 |
| daftykins | yep | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | or plain old http | 20:30 |
| daftykins | wget https://api.wordpress.org | 20:31 |
| daftykins | 2013-11-10 20:31:00 (108 MB/s) - `index.html' saved [442] | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | I think it's suspicious that you get the 500 error before it even *tries* to connect (i.e. send a SYN packet) to those addresses | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | unless you filtered those from the capture | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | I have a bigv.io VM, let me try. | 20:31 |
| daftykins | ty :) | 20:31 |
| daftykins | i created a fresh 3.7.1 wordpress instance which still has the same issue | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ah wait | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | I'd need to set up mysql and everything for that wouldn't I | 20:32 |
| daftykins | yeah :( | 20:32 |
| daftykins | i chose debian for mine - is there a wise meta package i can install that might cover any potential deps? | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: wordpress? 8-) | 20:33 |
| daftykins | haha | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | $ apt-cache show wordpress | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Package: wordpress | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Priority: optional | 20:33 |
| daftykins | well no i'm using their auto management thing | 20:33 |
| daftykins | so things would no doubt berak | 20:33 |
| daftykins | *break | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | sure but apt-cache show shows you what the Debian dev thinks are the dependencies | 20:34 |
| daftykins | *nod* i just ran: apt-cache showpkg wordpress | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | just use "show", showpkg is unreadable ;) | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: is that wireshark dump filtered at all? | 20:36 |
| daftykins | no, but i'm a newbie when it comes to the tcpdump command i used to create it | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: tcpdump -i eth0 -w dumpfile | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | should be enough | 20:36 |
| daftykins | tcpdump -nnvvw capture3.cap i ran | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | that's extra verbose and no DNS lookups by tcpdump itself | 20:37 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: you could write a small PHP program and run it on the cli | 20:37 |
| daftykins | The following extra packages will be installed: libjs-prototype libjs-scriptaculous | 20:37 |
| daftykins | The following NEW packages will be installed: libjs-cropper libjs-prototype libjs-scriptaculous libphp-phpmailer libphp-snoopy | 20:37 |
| daftykins | those were missing but nothing has changed as a result | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | Some of Snoopy's features: | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | . | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | * easily fetch the contents of a web page | 20:38 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:38 |
| daftykins | classic | 20:38 |
| daftykins | same issue even now | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: do you get "An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server's configuration" | 20:40 |
| daftykins | yep | 20:40 |
| daftykins | i've poured over the results in google regarding it | 20:40 |
| daftykins | nothing seems relevant | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: This might be the culprit: | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | 'sslcertificates' => ABSPATH . WPINC . '/certificates/ca-bundle.crt', | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | does that exist? | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | it should.. | 20:42 |
| daftykins | whereabouts are you looking? | 20:42 |
| MartijnVdS | wordpress/ root | 20:42 |
| MartijnVdS | just downloaded the tarball | 20:42 |
| daftykins | there are no certs at all, no | 20:42 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: you could put a "strace -f -p xxx -p yyy" on all your httpd processes (xxx, yyy are the PIDs, add more as needed) | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: uh | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | strace -f -o outputfile | 20:43 |
| daftykins | hang on it's meant to be in /wp-includes/ | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | -p xxx -p yyy | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: it is: ABSPATH is the absolute path to wordpress/, WPINC is the wp-includes dir | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | the strace might contain useful information (what it tries/gets back) for API access | 20:44 |
| MartijnVdS | it's a bit low-level | 20:44 |
| daftykins | what's the location of that path reference for me to check? | 20:45 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: wordpress/wp-includes/certificates/ca-bundle.crt | 20:45 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: should all be readable (not writable!) by the user php runs as (www-data?) | 20:45 |
| daftykins | ah-haaaa permissions, let's give that a whirl | 20:46 |
| daftykins | my site is actually in /srv/domain.com/public/htdocs/ | 20:47 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: though it's not even trying to create a connection (let alone an SSL connection), so either it aborts before trying (because it can't find the file) or something weird is going on | 20:48 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 20:49 |
| daftykins | so the strace plan could be a good one | 20:49 |
| daftykins | ok i'll give that one a whirl after i make some food | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: it might be overkill, is there anything in your errorlog? (httpd) | 20:50 |
| daftykins | [Sun Nov 10 20:48:02 2013] [warn] RSA server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == TRUE !?) | 20:51 |
| daftykins | that crops up | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | is that *your* https cert, or the remote end? | 20:51 |
| daftykins | none of my domains possess certs as far as i know | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: but apache is still instructed to load one.. maybe the snakeoil one | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | the default always-installed one | 20:52 |
| daftykins | i wonder if i can justk ill it | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | a2dismod ssl | 20:53 |
| popey | I pulled a tenner out of my pocket and noticed some scribbles all over it... | 20:55 |
| popey | http://i.imgur.com/ra8r3Ka.jpg | 20:55 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: bytemark's symbiosis thing, has SSLEngine enabled within its' sites-available config | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: ah you use that? :) | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: I just installed Ubuntu server on mine ;) | 20:55 |
| daftykins | yeah atop debian | 20:55 |
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| daftykins | alright i'm really burnt out on this now | 20:58 |
| daftykins | time for food | 20:58 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: thanks for your help thus far - if you have any further ideas i'd be pleased :> | 20:58 |
| daftykins | popey: how rude | 21:00 |
| daftykins | sidenote: do any clothes shops in London stay open late on a Sunday night? 0o | 21:03 |
| penguin42 | are they allowed to? | 21:04 |
| popey | unlikely | 21:05 |
| popey | most places close at 4pm | 21:05 |
| diddledan | daftykins: just a wild guess, is php5-curl installed? | 21:11 |
| diddledan | however, php errors should be logged somewhere, so a 500 error should have something in a logfile to explain why wordpress failed | 21:12 |
| daftykins | diddledan: yep it is - i enabled PHP logging to file, but didn't get anything produced when repeating the action | 21:46 |
| daftykins | which i found very odd :S | 21:48 |
| diddledan | daftykins: you could try editing your wp-config.php and add `define('WP_DEBUG', true); define('WP_DEBUG_LOG', true); define('WP_DEBUG_DISPLAY', false);` and rerun. the debug log is in "wordpress/wp-content/debug.log" <-- remember to delete it once done because it can leak information | 21:49 |
| daftykins | diddledan: roger that! i'll do it on my test site, i had seen that idea but hadn't gotten around to it for whatever reason | 21:51 |
| daftykins | diddledan: it's not writing anything new compared with the apache error log :( | 21:55 |
| daftykins | still just: "WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator." | 21:55 |
| diddledan | hmm | 21:55 |
| diddledan | is there nothing preceeding that statement? | 21:56 |
| daftykins | [10-Nov-2013 21:54:07] PHP Warning: An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server’s configuration. If you continue to have problems, please try the <a href="http://wordpress.org/support/">support forums</a>. (WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator.) in /srv/test.com/public/htdocs/wp-admin/includes/plugin-install.php | 21:57 |
| daftykins | that's the full sucker | 21:57 |
| diddledan | daftykins: can you try running http://pastebin.com/SERmAPbF which should output the full headers in addition to the html from a connection to wordpress.org | 22:04 |
| diddledan | if that fails but still doesn't telll us why, we can amend it to add some more error reporting | 22:04 |
| daftykins | would i just put that in a file and run "php file" ? | 22:04 |
| diddledan | yes please :-) | 22:04 |
| diddledan | it'll make a nice mess in your terminal - I've written it to be runnable in a browser, too | 22:05 |
| daftykins | not sure if this is an issue but i re-ran it outputting to a file | 22:06 |
| daftykins | PHP Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /srv/test.com/public/htdocs/file:3) in /srv/test.com/public/htdocs/file on line 12 | 22:06 |
| daftykins | and got told that | 22:06 |
| diddledan | that's fine | 22:06 |
| diddledan | that's because I used header() in the php file | 22:07 |
| daftykins | http://pastebin.com/WSFq6UCN | 22:07 |
| daftykins | diddledan: there she be ^ | 22:08 |
| diddledan | ok, that says that php can successfullly connect to wordpress.org - it gets weirderer | 22:08 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 22:08 |
| diddledan | try plopping it on your test site and running it via the browser to confirm whether it's able to do it when run through apache | 22:09 |
| daftykins | was naming it file.php and visiting path/file.php correct? | 22:10 |
| diddledan | yup | 22:10 |
| daftykins | as i just get a blank page | 22:10 |
| daubers | Evening | 22:11 |
| diddledan | aha, that's interesting | 22:11 |
| diddledan | I've written a two-line modification to force it to output errors to the browser: http://pastebin.com/q6kUzWDt do the same as before to run it via a browser | 22:12 |
| daftykins | i'm pasting into nano over SSH with KiTTY and getting a lot of green squares - that likely to be a problem? | 22:13 |
| diddledan | ooh | 22:13 |
| diddledan | erm | 22:13 |
| diddledan | that doesn't sound right | 22:13 |
| daftykins | i manually typed it out and still get blank :O | 22:15 |
| diddledan | hmm | 22:16 |
| diddledan | try putting a "print 'finished';" at the bottom underneath the print $output line | 22:17 |
| diddledan | that was we can tell whether I've messed up my code :-p | 22:17 |
| diddledan | way* | 22:17 |
| daftykins | yep it returned 'finished' | 22:17 |
| daftykins | :S | 22:17 |
| daftykins | what is it doing D: | 22:19 |
| daftykins | diddledan: any further thoughts :) | 22:22 |
| daftykins | +? | 22:22 |
| diddledan | I'm just gonna do a bit of experimentation on my vps | 22:22 |
| daftykins | is it the content type throwing it? | 22:22 |
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| diddledan | nope, it works fine on my ubuntu 12.04 virtual machine | 22:25 |
| daftykins | are you expecting to see the HTML text or will it show the actual page? | 22:25 |
| diddledan | the text | 22:25 |
| diddledan | along with headers at the top | 22:25 |
| daftykins | yeah it works at command line but apache2 is doing something | 22:25 |
| daftykins | could a funky php-suhosin status be causing it? | 22:25 |
| diddledan | it might be an issue with suhosin | 22:26 |
| daftykins | (i'm unsure whether it's on, off, or partially there at the moment) | 22:26 |
| diddledan | alternatively apache may not have been restarted since php5-curl was installed? | 22:26 |
| daftykins | it was definitely already installed | 22:26 |
| diddledan | or alternatively there might be php.ini differences between the apache2 and cli iterations | 22:27 |
| daftykins | my /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is actually autocreated by the bytemark symbiosis system i'm using | 22:28 |
| diddledan | dang | 22:28 |
| daftykins | but it's there and readable | 22:28 |
| daftykins | shall i pastebin it? | 22:28 |
| diddledan | worth a try | 22:28 |
| daftykins | http://pastebin.com/KUt47XKS | 22:31 |
| diddledan | nothing seems out of the ordinary there | 22:38 |
| daftykins | hang on /usr/bin/php /usr/bin/php5 | 22:39 |
| daftykins | no difference with either 0o | 22:40 |
| daftykins | /usr/bin/php -> /etc/alternatives/php | 22:40 |
| daftykins | 0o | 22:40 |
| daftykins | symlink^ | 22:41 |
| diddledan | `man update-alternatives` tells you about that mechanism | 22:41 |
| diddledan | on my ubuntu the /etc/alternatives/php points to /usr/bin/php5 | 22:42 |
| daftykins | ah yes :) | 22:43 |
| daftykins | well i'm glad i don't seem to have done anything too stupid | 22:43 |
| daftykins | would it help if i let you have a look at my test domain at all? | 22:43 |
| diddledan | it might | 22:45 |
| daftykins | http://test.com.testing.togusa.default.kusanagi.uk0.bigv.io/file2.php | 22:45 |
| daftykins | there's where i created the file | 22:45 |
| diddledan | lurvely url :-p | 22:46 |
| daftykins | hah yeah, crazy bigv domains are soooo long | 22:46 |
| daftykins | then test.com.testing for my little fake domain | 22:46 |
| diddledan | ok, I've been reading up on suhosin - it might be logging to /var/log/messages | 22:47 |
| daftykins | i think i managed to fully remove it | 22:48 |
| daftykins | php5-suhosin got removed | 22:48 |
| diddledan | sorry, I mena /var/log/syslog | 22:48 |
| diddledan | hmm | 22:48 |
| diddledan | did you restart apache after? | 22:48 |
| daftykins | yep | 22:48 |
| diddledan | and yet it's still failing. I was working on the assumption that we'd proven that php itself can do the job | 22:49 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 22:49 |
| diddledan | it doeswn't make sense >.< | 22:49 |
| daftykins | something is highly screwy isn't it | 22:49 |
| daftykins | perhaps i should fire something off to bytemark and just see if i've done something stupid that their symbiosis system gets affected by? | 22:49 |
| diddledan | I don't suppose it can hurt | 22:49 |
| diddledan | they might be able to help | 22:50 |
| daftykins | is there any other form of test i can have php perform atop apache? | 22:50 |
| mgdm | what's going on, and did you turn selinux off? | 22:54 |
| mgdm | if indeed it's on... | 22:54 |
| daftykins | how would i tell on this debian VPS? | 22:54 |
| mgdm | ah, that's probably a no | 22:54 |
| daftykins | win \o/ | 22:55 |
| mgdm | I don't have a page up button - can you explain (in PM if you like) what's up? | 22:55 |
| daftykins | basically wordpress isn't able to contact its' API address, in order to get some results | 22:55 |
| Azelphur | Seeker`: I got the arduino out...and I UNKILLED IT. | 22:55 |
| daftykins | (e.g. plugin searches) | 22:55 |
| daftykins | mgdm: diddledan kindly helped create a test PHP file that pulls the target page down, it works at CLI, but not from behind apache | 22:55 |
| mgdm | Oh, it's wordpress. hmmm. :-) So - do you know what mechanism it's using? curl? file_get_contents? | 22:56 |
| daftykins | https://github.com/WordPress/WordPress/blob/master/wp-admin/includes/plugin-install.php | 22:56 |
| daftykins | i believe that's the one in question | 22:56 |
| mgdm | holy moley | 22:57 |
| mgdm | it sends seriazed PHP to another host, which then unserializes it | 22:57 |
| daftykins | line 77 is what keeps getting flagged as the issue | 22:57 |
| daftykins | well you know, where it breaks from | 22:58 |
| mgdm | i'm trying to find the source of wp_http | 22:59 |
| diddledan | https://github.com/WordPress/WordPress/blob/master/wp-includes/http.php | 23:00 |
| diddledan | not sure where the calss is tho | 23:01 |
| diddledan | class* | 23:01 |
| mgdm | I found it | 23:01 |
| mgdm | https://github.com/WordPress/WordPress/blob/70fd806759b7a18d45950eb2c368e15949f1ef21/wp-includes/class-http.php | 23:01 |
| daftykins | ooh i'm getting more content in tcpdump now | 23:02 |
| mgdm | whaaat | 23:02 |
| mgdm | this impleents its own HTTP client using fsockopen() | 23:02 |
| mgdm | what the *hell* are these guys smoking? | 23:03 |
| daftykins | it appears to be getting TCP resets when awaiting its' reply | 23:03 |
| daftykins | maybe it is firewall after all...? | 23:03 |
| mgdm | seems that way | 23:03 |
| daftykins | omg. | 23:03 |
| daftykins | i just flushed iptables and it works | 23:03 |
| mgdm | heh | 23:03 |
| diddledan | >.< | 23:03 |
| diddledan | don't you hate that | 23:04 |
| daftykins | sorry about that guys, but earlier tcpdump wasn't even showing anything beyond the DNS queries | 23:04 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cloqlhxdw6z8r6/cap.png | 23:04 |
| daftykins | in my earlier capture ^ | 23:04 |
| daftykins | ok so now i need to look into what's blocking the response :D | 23:05 |
| daftykins | diddledan + mgdm thanks guys, i think i'm going to call it a night there before i go crazier with it | 23:08 |
| diddledan | lol | 23:08 |
| mgdm | hehe, fair enough | 23:08 |
| daftykins | g'night everyone \o | 23:09 |
| daftykins | thank you to all those who helped | 23:10 |
| daftykins | dafty in mountain out of a molehill situation | 23:14 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 23:14 |
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