=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:27] Low: $267.21, High: $352.12, Bitcoin market volatility at its finest (3 hour time frame) [01:28] i had a message from my brother asking if i did anything with bitcoin today [01:28] i lawl'd 'cause i don't understand it at all [01:28] he alluded to that common idea of leaving a box crunching away mining [01:28] hehe [01:28] but i said that from what i had heard that tends to just offset against your electricity bill :D [01:29] daftykins: that means that the value of 1 bitcoin has fluctuated between $267.21 and $352.12 over the past 3 hours [01:29] almost $100 price fluctuation xD [01:30] oh i more meant the entire bitcoin phenomena [01:30] but ja, that's pretty mad [01:30] which means my BTC holdings have fluctuated between $30729 and $40493 [01:30] ergo, I just lost, and regained, $10k value [01:30] bitcoin is a fun little rollercoaster. [01:31] could you pull the trigger and cash-out instantly though? taxman aside [01:31] yea [01:31] well not super instantly, I'd have to boot up my laptop with the encrypted drive [01:31] and transfer the funds into an exchange [02:32] what exchange was at $267?? [02:32] ali1234: bitstamp [02:33] ali1234: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD [02:33] gox was at $381 earlier [02:33] ali1234: yea, it's pre-crashing :) [02:33] i should add bitstamp to my thing [02:34] daftykins: mining was really profitable if you did it two years ago [02:34] it's impossible now [02:35] unless you have specialist hardware, which is almost impossible to buy [02:35] unless you're me [02:35] ali1234: part of me wonders if I should go lawsuit BFL for late shipping [02:35] they cost me a boatload [02:35] you're lucky to even get anything [02:35] true [02:36] you won't get anything from suing them, due to everyone else doing the same thing [02:36] so i'd say it's a waste of time [02:36] amazingly, nobody else seems to be doing it [02:37] ali1234: in other news, my channel has been taking great amusement at https://github.com/search?q=exec+sudo+%24_GET&type=Code [02:37] I'm sure you'll enjoy it too xD [02:38] i don't get it [02:38] ali1234: don't know PHP? [02:38] well obviously php cannot into sudo [02:38] if it's not interactive [02:38] unless the host is really badly configured [02:38] but other than that i don't get it [02:38] ali1234: they probably nosudo'd it to get that code to work, I'd guess [02:39] wait [02:39] sudo $_GET [02:40] noooooooo [02:40] noooooooooooooooooooo [02:40] /o\ [02:41] exec anything with $_GET is bad enough, you can just inject your own sudo if you want [02:55] ali1234: hahaha [02:55] ali1234: you figured it out gz [02:55] :P [09:38] hmm... it's now possible to have two gmail accounts open in tabs without one getting booted out [09:38] this is cool [09:38] ali1234: welcome to 2011 [09:38] :P [09:38] well it never worked for me as recently as ... about 2 months ago [09:39] ali1234: you just have to enable it [09:39] up to 4 accounts at once [09:39] i did [09:39] it seems to have started working when they changed the login screen recently [09:39] and then dont log out of the first one, you click the corner and click "add account" [09:40] yes, that [09:40] i was doing that months ago [09:40] if i had two gmail tabs open on the same account, and then clicked that to open a different one, the other tab would also be booted out [09:45] I'm still keeping separate browser windows for separate accounts [09:46] I've started doing that as well === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:52] need to do hangouts for work, so I've got them on a separate profile in chromium and my own stuff in firefox [09:52] you can have 2 profiles inside chrom(e|ium), running at the same time (in different windows, like private mode) [09:56] good morning everyone. [10:03] Yeah [10:03] I did use separate profiles on Firefox first [10:04] ali1234: Oh, yeah. It stopped working for me recently too. [10:05] * nigelb needs to try again. [10:05] but gdocs and hangouts work better on chromium, so I made a new profile for my work persona for chromium [10:06] I have 14 chromium personas [10:06] probably should shrink that a bit [10:09] mostly for separate random twitter accounts [10:18] morning [10:18] * AlanBell upgraded the home always-on server to 13.10 [10:19] and couldn't get it to boot with the new kernel, so is now using a raspberry pi instead :) [10:20] i am an rpi doing loads of stuff, radvd, dlna, webcam server, get-iplayer repo. [10:22] http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video is now back up (the server does the html page around the image, and reverse proxies the image) [10:22] cool. [10:31] i've probably asked this before, but is there any way to make xterm cat it's stdin? [10:35] eg to watch stderr on an interactive command: somecommand 2> $(xterm cat) [10:36] why xterm? [10:36] and not the tty device? [10:37] i dunno, just seemed logical [10:39] if you do tty in the target xterm, then echo "foo" > /dev/pts/9 (or whatever) then it comes up [10:40] i could also use a named pipe, or a logfile and tail, but that's messy [10:40] but that does require you to launch the target xterm and find the tty number === funkyHat1 is now known as funkyHat [13:46] AlanBell: I like your cluster idea, makes me wish I had the cash to burn so I could have you name it flibbertygibbet or something ;) [13:47] :) [13:47] dwatkins: try ssh'ing into "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" [13:47] without tab-completion [13:50] Host supercalifragilisticexpialidocious not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) ;) [13:50] I was thinking more the name of the "let's compile Ubuntu for the ARM processor in the Raspberry Pi", but that would also be amusing. [13:51] We used to have a mailserver called Sagittarius, but no-one knew how to spell it. [13:52] "I name it `pwgen -sy 30 1`" [13:52] 50 character limit :) [13:52] AlanBell: pwgen -sy 50 1 then [13:52] yay [13:53] dwatkins: You're not trying if you don't get unicode into the hostname [13:54] penguin42: ooh, Punycode :) [14:07] Can you use unicode in DNS names? [14:08] I vaguely remember reading it used to be allowed, but isn't any more, suggesting you can only use letters from "our" 26-letter alphabet. [14:08] I thought there were top level internationals? [14:09] you can probably use it in a hostname [14:09] * penguin42 boots a VM to try [14:10] reddit is letting gold buyers name servers now [14:10] one of them got named localhost [14:10] ouch [14:11] hmm hostname didn't like the fliptext I gave it [14:13] hmm, hostnamectl will set it [14:15] haha - but sethostname does ! [14:17] as does avahi-set-host-name === FixUbuntu is now known as LjL [14:24] MartijnVdS: Oh I hadn't read about punycode before - very neat [14:35] there's sort of unicode dns names .. they get translated into ascii for lookups, which is a little mind bending [14:37] eg, http://💩.l [14:38] or not. ate that one bad lol [14:40] shauno: Yeh that's apparently the Punycode [14:43] ah, I didn't know it had a name. the only rfc I've seen it in just calls it ToAscii. and then proceeds to warp your mind trying to explain how it works [14:49] absolutely miserable here today, but I fear rain isn't going to be an acceptable excuse for avoiding the cinema :/ [14:50] it's ok here today, yesterday was biblical - thunder, hail, localised flooding etc [14:52] oh this isn't that bad, just "blah". nonstop rain for the last 8 hours [14:53] combined with sunday busses being run apparently by lottery, and my motivation to get into town is destroyed [14:53] http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/flooding-after-hail-rain-thunder-6288101 [14:55] heh, fun [14:55] I haven't actually seen lightning since I moved here (2006). strange place [14:55] blue skies today [14:55] where? [14:56] west coast of ireland [14:58] so you watch the storms roll in off the atlantic, go past and dump it on us? [14:58] when I was in the states, it seemed to be lightning all autumn. sun all summer, and snow all winter. all three are incredibly rare here [15:00] generally we don't get much extreme weather - it's all kind of meh [15:02] I used to live in barrow (south lakes) .. I assume it's much of the same there [15:03] well, they don't call it lakes for nothing [15:03] they call it lakes because it sounds much prettier than what it actually is ;) [15:04] barrow is the industrially bit isn't/wasn't it? [15:05] it was. it's now the unemployed bit. built on ironworks & shipbuilding - neither of which are particularly strong industries anymore [15:06] nod [15:07] about the only thing they have left is that we can't outsource the military, so they still build submarines [15:08] nod, I know someone who is an admin at a small ISP somewhere around there as well [15:09] although last I heard, they still had europe's largest door. which is a claim to fame I guess [15:09] ? Something for a submarine shed? [15:09] yeah. they're built indoors [15:09] wouldn't want them to get wet [15:11] I Think it's kinda neat. it's nice to think that our nuclear deterent is built by some northern lads in a shed [15:12] haha well if you put it like that [16:40] I just broke my Windows 8 installation (deleted the D: drive whilst changing the linux swap partition size) - good job I don't really use nor care about it :) [16:41] D: [16:41] whoops [16:41] Yeah, that was my reaction, followed by a shrug. I can't remember the last time I used it for anything but games. [16:42] Time to move Ubuntu onto the SSD :D [16:42] i've still not even used 8 native - though i'd want to acquire an 8.1 ISO now [16:44] I played Borderlands 2 and Homeworld 2 on it a bit, but they are easily reinstalled. [16:44] My only dilemma now is whether Windows 8 can exist on the 2nd physical disk, which isn't an SSD. [16:45] I'll either use this HOWTO or just reinstall 13.10 - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MovingLinuxPartition [16:47] ah the ol' juggling fun :) [16:48] Yeah, probably easier to just reinstall - might give Debian a try... [16:49] * penguin42 is running Fedora/KDE on his main machine now - its' interesting, from a KDE perspective mostly the same, some places work better some worse [16:53] I'd like to give Gnome 3 a try. [16:53] dwatkins: Well you can do that on any of them [16:54] Yeah, it's the default on recent Debians, I gather, and I'm curious to see how well Steam runs on Debian, too. [16:54] how recent? [16:55] Wheezy, I guess, ali1234. [16:56] turns out the reason for all this is that I left my USB stick connected, so sda became the stick, and sdb and sdc are the new sda and sdb [16:56] erk [16:57] dwatkins: Yeh well the sd* naming is unspecified - you're not supposed to rely on them! [16:57] Just goes to show you should always check before doing mkswap /dev/sdb2 [16:57] yeah, I remembered that afterwards, penguin42 ... [16:57] dwatkins: I just wanted to rub it in [16:58] hehe [16:59] all this was probably pointless, and I'll most likely discover that hibernation isn't working for some other reason, but at least I havn't lost anything important. [17:17] how might i recursively grep a folder of .php configs and other files for "10.10.10.10" appearing somewhere therein? [17:17] grep -r * <-- is what i tried [17:19] grep -r '10[.]10[.]10[.]10' . [17:20] ah, the periods had to be escaped? [17:20] yeh because they'll match on anything [17:20] ah :) i just got nothing from either [17:20] ty though! [17:21] try it on a dummy text file first [17:21] i've just manually updated a wordpress site to the latest version but it still has issues connecting out [17:25] Interestingly, Windows 8 recovered from my running mkswap on its C: drive, I guess it only wrote to the start of the partition. [17:25] mkswap doesn't do very much at all unless you actually mount the swap [17:26] I added it, realised it was 10 times too big, then swapoff'ed it. [17:26] s/added/mounted/ [17:26] Having 8 GB of RAM is kinda useful. [17:28] admin python [17:35] ooh i finally have more error detail [17:38] #python [17:39] thatgreenguy: You need to do /join #python [17:49] [Sun Nov 10 17:42:32 2013] [error] [client 80.73.221.144] PHP Warning: An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server's configuration. If you continue to have problems, please try the support forums. (WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator.) in .../wp-admin/includes/plugin-install [17:49] that's what i'm getting on my VPS [17:50] very, very odd [17:50] can it resolve wordpress.org? [17:50] yep, wget files, connect with both SSL and without [17:52] echo $http_proxy returns a blank line, so no proxy is set i assume [17:52] * penguin42 knows neither wordpress or php, but is there any way to trace what it's doing - if all else fails tcpdump or strace? [17:53] that's an idea [17:53] not used tcpdump before mind you [17:54] daftykins: IMHO probably your easiest way if it's on a remote server is to use tcpdump to a file and then pull the file back to a local machine and poke at it with wireshark [17:54] sounds good [18:04] penguin42: hrmm i can see DNS queries in my captures to api.wordpress.org but after that i can't tell what's going on [18:07] i think it gets the DNS response but then i have no record of it communicating with it [18:22] daftykins: So you don't see it trying to open a connection to the IP it gets back? [18:22] no :S [18:23] hmm, can you open a connection to api.wordpress.org? [18:23] yeah i used wget to grab its' index before [18:23] via https [18:24] there was an odd packet immediately after the DNS queries though [18:25] do you see the DNS reply? [18:25] https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cloqlhxdw6z8r6/cap.png [18:25] penguin42: what do you make of that? [18:28] daftykins: What's that 80.73.221.144 address - bbdhome2-221-144.network.sure.com ? [18:28] mine [18:28] i'm SSH'd in [18:29] ok, so did you have a web browser open and got an internal server error back? [18:29] yep [18:30] i performed my test action which errors, to try and get it to show packets of what it's up to [18:30] (in this case, searching for plugins - which goes off to the wordpress API site for results) [18:30] that I think is just part of that reply which you see in the full packet on the next line, it didn't fit in one ether (TCP?) packet [18:31] hrmm [18:32] daftykins: I don't see anything wrong there - maybe the AAAA lookups aren't helping, but I doubt it [18:32] hmm an IPv4 vs. v6 quirk? [18:33] maybe, but I doubt it - you can see it's doing IPv4 DNS lookups for both the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, and only getting an IPv4 address back (is my reading) - so that should be OK? [18:33] daftykins: But it doesn't look like it's then trying to open any connection [18:33] indeed, it's like it gives up [18:33] thanks penguin42 - i've no idea who to ask this of next :S [18:33] actually maybe if i create a test site [18:34] a php person I think [18:34] i can see if a stock one works [18:34] hehe [19:51] Yay! [19:52] Just ordered some EP I've wanted for *years* [19:52] (but that wasn't available) [19:55] you mean one of those vinyl things? [19:55] penguin42: no, a CD (the digital edition exists, but is missing a track) [19:55] oh, that's ok then - of what? [19:55] penguin42: http://www.nerinapallot.com/shop2/?productDetails.cfm?Basket=1@,&ProductID=1500 [19:56] that one :) [19:58] MartijnVdS: Never heard of her - but ... Buckminster fuller as a song.... [19:59] penguin42: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7eclTcAht0 [19:59] what's that 500 Server Error on the line below the one highlighted? [19:59] shauno: which one? [20:00] shauno: oh you're reading backlog [20:00] sorry, the screencap of wireshark [20:00] ah yeah, didn't notice that was 90 mins ago [20:00] MartijnVdS: How bizarre [20:00] shauno: I think that's the result of the reassembly of the one that's highlighted ? [20:01] penguin42: I drove to Cornwall to see her last May. She's great :) [20:06] from where? [20:07] penguin42: from my place in the Netherlands [20:07] penguin42: so.. here to Rotterdam, then Harwich to Land's End [20:08] wow [20:08] shauno: are you good with wordpress and related shenanigans? [20:08] penguin42: I needed a few days off anyway, drove down (and back up) over 3-4 days :) [20:08] not particularly lol [20:08] penguin42: (so a week total) [20:08] shauno: the next packet was just the web server coming back with the error page that it can't contact wordpress' API domain [20:08] Evening. [20:08] I was just curious where the 500 was coming from, because there'd be more logged on the server for that [20:08] ah [20:09] shauno: this is the issue i've been fighting with tonight, both the real site and a test wordpress site can't talk to wordpress.org on my bigv VPS [20:09] i've asked the web dev that made the site but he's stumped [20:11] it almost looks like 'happy eyeballs' going wrong [20:11] huh? :) [20:12] this practice of sending A & AAAA requests together instead of sequentially [20:12] hmm [20:12] any thoughts on how to rule that out from testing? [20:13] daftykins: disable IPv4 xor IPv6 [20:13] daftykins: if that makes it work, you've found the problem [20:13] pretty much, yeah :/ [20:13] ooh - can i stop apache running on IPv6 0o [20:13] would that work maybe? or does the PHP code being system level still see interfaces and get results etc. [20:13] (or making it try to hit a host that does have an AAAA record) [20:14] daftykins: you need to deconfigure the address, or libc will magically send AAAA and A requests [20:16] the crashcourse on 'happy eyeballs' is that originally the RFCs said you queried AAAA first and A if it returned negative, if you have a native (not-teredo, etc) v6 route. [20:16] which was a great plan until real life showed up, and sticking that delay on every single v4 query sucked. so now they have a scheme where they send them in parallel [20:17] :> [20:17] perhaps it not getting an answer for both is indeed, why it seems to give up trying [20:17] well, I'm not getting a v6 for wordpress.org either [20:18] and api.wordpress.org ? [20:18] is just a cname to wordpress.org [20:19] I gotta pop out :/ but on that, it is the dns I'd be looking at, because there's no outgoing connections after the response [20:20] it gets the dns response, and then complains. rather than trying to connect to anything at all, and then complaining [20:20] *nod* [20:21] thanks shauno [20:23] i echo'd 1 to /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/disable_ipv6 [20:23] the interface lost its' v6 config [20:24] but no change has been had [20:24] that's not the problem you had - the problem was it was doing an IPv4 lookup for IPv6 addresses [20:24] so that's DNS config - although I actually doubt it's the problem you had [20:24] oh? [20:24] daftykins: Yeh all the packets were on IPv4 addresses, but it was sending a AAAA DNS lookup which is for IPv6 addresses [20:25] (but since it got a reply to the A query, that's why I'm saying I doubt it's the problem - but it's possible) [20:25] sorry i must be being daft here, i see it sent both queries then it got the v4 replies - isn't that normal? [20:25] it is [20:26] MartijnVdS: have you seen the pic in question? [20:26] https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cloqlhxdw6z8r6/cap.png [20:26] daftykins: yes, the server replies "500" which means something on the server doesn't like the request [20:26] the request is sent, and is responded to [20:26] nah that's the error page saying it was unable to contact the API at wordpress [20:27] the thing i'm doing on the site (searching for a plugin) trips out [20:27] "WordPress could not establish a secure connection to WordPress.org. Please contact your server administrator." [20:27] daftykins: it doesn't do anything but a DNS request, before it determines it can't connect to WP? [20:27] correct [20:28] highly suspicious isn't it? [20:28] maybe you don't have php-ssl installed? :) [20:28] or whatever PHP uses to talk SSL [20:28] ("secure connection") [20:28] i can't see a relevant package [20:28] because it's not even sending a SYN to open a connection to one of the IPs it receives from the DNS lookup [20:29] indeed [20:29] daftykins: the openssl-module is included with php, but your extensions.ini might have it disabled [20:30] can you ping the address? (api.wordpress.org) [20:30] 66.155.30.{249,250} [20:30] yep and wget the index [20:30] using https? [20:30] yep [20:30] or plain old http [20:31] wget https://api.wordpress.org [20:31] 2013-11-10 20:31:00 (108 MB/s) - `index.html' saved [442] [20:31] I think it's suspicious that you get the 500 error before it even *tries* to connect (i.e. send a SYN packet) to those addresses [20:31] unless you filtered those from the capture [20:31] I have a bigv.io VM, let me try. [20:31] ty :) [20:32] i created a fresh 3.7.1 wordpress instance which still has the same issue [20:32] ah wait [20:32] I'd need to set up mysql and everything for that wouldn't I [20:32] yeah :( [20:33] i chose debian for mine - is there a wise meta package i can install that might cover any potential deps? [20:33] daftykins: wordpress? 8-) [20:33] haha [20:33] $ apt-cache show wordpress [20:33] Package: wordpress [20:33] Priority: optional [20:33] well no i'm using their auto management thing [20:33] so things would no doubt berak [20:33] *break [20:34] sure but apt-cache show shows you what the Debian dev thinks are the dependencies [20:34] *nod* i just ran: apt-cache showpkg wordpress [20:34] just use "show", showpkg is unreadable ;) [20:36] daftykins: is that wireshark dump filtered at all? [20:36] no, but i'm a newbie when it comes to the tcpdump command i used to create it [20:36] daftykins: tcpdump -i eth0 -w dumpfile [20:36] should be enough [20:36] tcpdump -nnvvw capture3.cap i ran [20:37] that's extra verbose and no DNS lookups by tcpdump itself [20:37] *nod* [20:37] daftykins: you could write a small PHP program and run it on the cli [20:37] The following extra packages will be installed: libjs-prototype libjs-scriptaculous [20:37] The following NEW packages will be installed: libjs-cropper libjs-prototype libjs-scriptaculous libphp-phpmailer libphp-snoopy [20:37] those were missing but nothing has changed as a result [20:38] Some of Snoopy's features: [20:38] . [20:38] * easily fetch the contents of a web page [20:38] :D [20:38] classic [20:39] same issue even now [20:40] daftykins: do you get "An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server's configuration" [20:40] yep [20:40] i've poured over the results in google regarding it [20:40] nothing seems relevant [20:41] daftykins: This might be the culprit: [20:41] 'sslcertificates' => ABSPATH . WPINC . '/certificates/ca-bundle.crt', [20:41] does that exist? [20:42] it should.. [20:42] whereabouts are you looking? [20:42] wordpress/ root [20:42] just downloaded the tarball [20:42] there are no certs at all, no [20:43] daftykins: you could put a "strace -f -p xxx -p yyy" on all your httpd processes (xxx, yyy are the PIDs, add more as needed) [20:43] daftykins: uh [20:43] strace -f -o outputfile [20:43] hang on it's meant to be in /wp-includes/ [20:43] -p xxx -p yyy [20:43] daftykins: it is: ABSPATH is the absolute path to wordpress/, WPINC is the wp-includes dir [20:44] the strace might contain useful information (what it tries/gets back) for API access [20:44] it's a bit low-level [20:45] what's the location of that path reference for me to check? [20:45] daftykins: wordpress/wp-includes/certificates/ca-bundle.crt [20:45] daftykins: should all be readable (not writable!) by the user php runs as (www-data?) [20:46] ah-haaaa permissions, let's give that a whirl [20:47] my site is actually in /srv/domain.com/public/htdocs/ [20:48] daftykins: though it's not even trying to create a connection (let alone an SSL connection), so either it aborts before trying (because it can't find the file) or something weird is going on [20:49] *nod* [20:49] so the strace plan could be a good one [20:50] ok i'll give that one a whirl after i make some food [20:50] daftykins: it might be overkill, is there anything in your errorlog? (httpd) [20:51] [Sun Nov 10 20:48:02 2013] [warn] RSA server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == TRUE !?) [20:51] that crops up [20:51] is that *your* https cert, or the remote end? [20:52] none of my domains possess certs as far as i know [20:52] daftykins: but apache is still instructed to load one.. maybe the snakeoil one [20:52] the default always-installed one [20:52] i wonder if i can justk ill it [20:53] a2dismod ssl [20:55] I pulled a tenner out of my pocket and noticed some scribbles all over it... [20:55] http://i.imgur.com/ra8r3Ka.jpg [20:55] MartijnVdS: bytemark's symbiosis thing, has SSLEngine enabled within its' sites-available config [20:55] daftykins: ah you use that? :) [20:55] daftykins: I just installed Ubuntu server on mine ;) [20:55]