[00:17] <sharpertongue> i'm confused
[00:17] <sharpertongue> will someone help me
[00:17] <sharpertongue> i've never used IRC
[00:18] <sharpertongue> is anyone even here...
[00:19] <sharpertongue> someonnnnne
[00:20] <valorie> sharpertongue: yes
[00:20] <valorie> we're here for you
[00:20] <valorie> you have a question?
[00:21] <sharpertongue> yeah, about IRC.
[00:21] <sharpertongue> i'm trying to connect to a Tor chatroom
[00:21] <sharpertongue> http://www.oftc.net/
[00:21] <valorie> on which server?
[00:21] <sharpertongue> ummmmm
[00:21] <valorie> ok
[00:21] <valorie> oftc.net
[00:21] <valorie> so, what client are you using?
[00:22] <sharpertongue> konversation
[00:22] <valorie> I use it also
[00:22] <sharpertongue> that's good. lol
[00:22] <valorie> so have you set up oftc.net in your server list?
[00:22] <sharpertongue> i've tried.
[00:22] <sharpertongue> idk
[00:22] <valorie> file > server list....
[00:22] <valorie> you can easily check
[00:23] <valorie> either it's there, or you haven't set it up yet
[00:23] <sharpertongue> i mean, yeah. i have it set up, but...
[00:23] <sharpertongue> i don't think the information is correct
[00:23] <sharpertongue> or something
[00:23] <valorie> do you connect using SSL?
[00:23] <sharpertongue> i have no idea...
[00:24] <sharpertongue> what SSL is
[00:24] <valorie> ok, then probably not, so the defaults will be fine
[00:24] <valorie> you'll need to edit your identity within that server
[00:24] <valorie> if you want to automatically identify to nickserv and so on
[00:25] <sharpertongue> hmmmm. nickserv
[00:25] <sharpertongue> what?
[00:25] <valorie> so click the edit button and you'll see identity up near the top with it's own edit button
[00:25] <sharpertongue> yeah
[00:25] <valorie> nickserv is what grants you "sharpertongue" instead of guest xyz
[00:26] <valorie> so once you have set up an account, you basically /msg nickserv identify Pa55w0rd
[00:27] <valorie> only the client does it for you, if you set it up there
[00:27] <sharpertongue> i don't have an account set up?
[00:28] <sharpertongue> i literally just downloaded this IRC client like  10 minutes ago
[00:28] <valorie> ah, ok
[00:28] <sharpertongue> i've never used IRC before so
[00:29] <valorie> then you can do it when you connect to that server
[00:29] <sharpertongue> do what? set up an account??
[00:29] <valorie> btw, you can be connected to as many servers as you like at one time
[00:29] <valorie> yes
[00:29] <sharpertongue> <-- isn't this my account
[00:29]  * valorie is connected to three servers right now
[00:29] <valorie> yes, that is your account with freenode
[00:29] <sharpertongue> what is freenode
[00:29] <valorie> if you've never connected to oftc, you have no account there
[00:30] <sharpertongue> ok
[00:30] <valorie> every network is different, independent
[00:30] <valorie> it's like twitter and gmail
[00:30] <valorie> separate things
[00:31] <valorie> freenode is the network you are on now
[00:31] <sharpertongue> i see.
[00:31] <valorie> big one, hundreds, maybe thousands of channels
[00:31] <sharpertongue> so what is this /msg command that you spoke about?
[00:32] <sharpertongue> oh, that's after i set up an account
[00:32] <valorie> right
[00:32] <valorie> you use /msg to talk privately to people, services and sometimes bots
[00:33] <valorie> all commands in irc start with a slash at the beginning of the input line
[00:33] <valorie> occasionally bot commands are like !irc
[00:33] <valorie> !irc
[00:33] <valorie> weeeee
[00:33] <sharpertongue> lol
[00:33] <sharpertongue> understood, thank you. i can't even connect to the tor network to be able to set up an account, though
[00:34] <sharpertongue> i don't think the server and channel information is correct
[00:34] <valorie> if you go up to File > server list....
[00:34] <valorie> you can set up oftc, and connect
[00:34] <valorie> check it on the link you gave me above
[00:34] <sharpertongue> i've tried to. brb i'll show you the log?
[00:34] <valorie> http://oftc.net
[00:34] <valorie> sure, paste it somewhere
[00:34] <valorie> !paste
[00:35] <valorie> if you care about security, it's worthwhile to read up on SSL
[00:35] <valorie> I'm not a big security nut, but I use SSL when it is available
[00:36] <sharpertongue> well, yeah. i value security... and privacy... i'll try to read something about SSL
[00:36] <sharpertongue> thanks
[00:36] <sharpertongue> this is the log
[00:36] <sharpertongue> [16:35] [Info] Looking for server http://www.oftc.net/ (port 6667)...
[00:36] <sharpertongue> [16:35] [Error] Connection to server http://www.oftc.net/ (port 6667) lost: Unknown error.
[00:36] <FloodBotK1> sharpertongue: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:37] <valorie> sharpertongue: I told you to use a paste service, and gave you a link
[00:37] <sharpertongue> sorry
[00:37] <valorie> Connection Details:
[00:37] <valorie> irc://irc.oftc.net:6667 (alternative ports: 6668-6670, 7000), IPv4 and IPv6
[00:38] <valorie> if 6667 doesn't work, try one of the others
[00:38] <valorie> many here are connected to oftc; I know it works
[00:38] <valorie> debian uses oftc
[00:38] <valorie> and we are a deb-based distro
[00:40] <valorie> also, they provide a webchat interface
[00:40] <valorie> and excellent open service
[02:29] <RosettaTrad> Hello everybody
[02:36] <RosettaTrad> could somebody help me please, I am having a big issue with my Kubuntu installation. I tried to reinstall kubuntu 13.10, since I had many broken packages. I did the install preserving my home directory. During the install, the installer crashed while "Restoring previously installed packages". This broke my entire installation. I get the login window, but my mouse doesn't work. I decided to boot from live CD and do a clean install. Now when I am
[02:36] <RosettaTrad> trying to copy my folder from my home directory to my external HDD running Dolphin, it doesn't copy due to permission issues. How can I copy the folders from my home folder to my external HDD please ?
[02:37] <RosettaTrad> Using the GUI if possible ?
[02:38] <valorie> you might have to use sudo, RosettaTrad
[02:38] <valorie> or go in and change the permissions
[02:38] <valorie> which you should be able to do in dolphin
[02:38] <valorie> also: rsync is about a million times faster then the gui
[02:39] <valorie> slight exaggeration, but if you do it via gui and compare, you'll agree with me
[02:39] <RosettaTrad> I am on the live cd session right now. When I am trying to change permissions in dolphin it's greyed out.
[02:39] <valorie> ok
[02:39] <valorie> let this be a lesson: do your backup *first*
[02:39] <valorie> :-)
[02:40] <valorie> I've learned through sad experience
[02:40] <valorie> sec and I'll find you my blog post on doing what you are doing
[02:41] <RosettaTrad> thank you
[02:42] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/04/rsync-level-expert.html
[02:42] <valorie> you might find http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/03/rsync-and-backup-success.html useful as well
[02:42] <valorie> since I wrote it first
[02:42] <valorie> we'll help you get the command correct
[02:43] <valorie> also: with my backup drive, it's important to open it with dolphin before I access it via the cli
[02:43] <RosettaTrad> ok
[02:43] <valorie> it has a 'green' component which a lot of the new ones do, which tells it to spin down if nothing is happening
[02:44] <valorie> and then it's no longer accessable
[02:44] <valorie> mounting it with dolphin seems to protect it from that spin down while you are getting everything set up
[02:45] <RosettaTrad> I am sorry but I didn't really understand what you mean
[02:45] <valorie> very much worthwhile to learn rsync
[02:45] <valorie> when you plug it in to your computer, does something pop up?
[02:45] <valorie> the Device Notifier should ask what you want to do with it
[02:45] <valorie> and just select open with dolphin
[02:46] <valorie> or open in file manager, or whatever it says
[02:47] <RosettaTrad> ok, when I plugin my external HDD it shows in Dolphin
[02:47] <RosettaTrad> then I open a split window and try to move my data from one disk to the other by dragging and dropping
[02:47] <RosettaTrad> but it doesn't work
[02:48] <valorie> right, and that will take forever
[02:48] <valorie> if you have anything there
[02:48] <valorie> also, are you really trying to MOVE it?
[02:48] <valorie> or only copy it
[02:49] <RosettaTrad> It doesn't even give me the popup menu
[02:49] <RosettaTrad> also I just checked the permissions on my external HDD and it's all grey too
[02:50] <valorie> ok, then it isn't properly mounted
[02:50] <RosettaTrad> oh
[02:50] <valorie> in a konsole, type: mount
[02:51] <valorie> and you'll see what drives and devices are connected and mounted
[02:51] <RosettaTrad> may I paste the output here ?
[02:52] <valorie> !paste
[02:53] <RosettaTrad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6397471/
[02:55] <valorie> so it isn't mounted
[02:55] <Roey> thats.what.she.said
[02:55] <RosettaTrad> ok, but in dolphin I can see the contents of the drive
[02:55] <Roey> hello valorie, RosettaTrad and ubottu!
[02:56] <valorie> if you unplug it, and after a moment plug it in again, does the device notifier pop up again?
[02:56] <valorie> Roey: pffff
[02:56] <RosettaTrad> yes it does
[02:56] <valorie> cool, then tell it to open in dolphin again
[02:56] <valorie> try 'mount' again, and see if it shows up now
[02:58] <Roey> oh maybe you can help me with fetchmail and Yahoo Mail, Valorie
[02:58] <valorie> pfff
[02:58] <valorie> yahoo is the devil
[02:59] <valorie> and I haven't set up 'real' mail for a long, long time
[02:59] <valorie> I miss kmail though
[03:00] <RosettaTrad> ok, I can open it in Dolphin, see it's contents but not write to it
[03:00] <RosettaTrad> well actually the external HDD is empty
[03:00] <valorie> that's fine
[03:00] <valorie> oh, has it been formatted?
[03:00] <RosettaTrad> yes
[03:00] <valorie> ok
[03:01] <RosettaTrad> I just reformatted it in gparted with ext4 formet
[03:02] <valorie> great!
[03:02] <valorie> here's the thing
[03:02] <valorie> you are working off the liveCD, right?
[03:02] <RosettaTrad> yes
[03:03] <valorie> hmmm
[03:03] <valorie> I haven't ever done this before
[03:03] <valorie> because you have an unmounted HD on the computer you're working on
[03:04] <valorie> so I think you'll have to mount that before you can copy anything from it
[03:04] <RosettaTrad> I can read the contents of the computers internal HDD
[03:04] <RosettaTrad> inside Dolphin
[03:04] <valorie> ok, so dolphin mounted it
[03:04] <RosettaTrad> I can open files from my home directory, I just can not move them
[03:05] <valorie> why do you want to MOVE them
[03:05] <valorie> rather than copy them?
[03:06] <RosettaTrad> well I want to copy several folders from my home directory to my external HDD, and then fully format my internal HDD and do a clean install of kubuntu
[03:06] <valorie> good plan
[03:07] <valorie> http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8200-back-up-like-an-expert-with-rsync is simple and understandable, even for me. "The basic syntax for rsync is simple enough -- just run rsync [options] source destination to copy the file or files provided as the source argument to the destination."
[03:08] <RosettaTrad> ok, I will try that
[03:08] <valorie> so basically what you want to do is 'rsync -av /home/user/Music /backup path/Music
[03:08] <valorie> etc.
[03:08] <valorie> put your own user and own path in
[03:08] <valorie> type it here first
[03:08] <valorie> and we'll check it
[03:09] <RosettaTrad> ok, thanks a lot
[03:09] <valorie> add --progress in there if you want to see what's going on as it works
[03:10] <valorie> the nice thing about doing it folder by folder if you only have a few is that you miss all the cruft
[03:10] <valorie> it's possible to tell rsync not to copy the cruft, but easier to just get what you want
[03:11] <valorie> if you are nervous, use --dry-run and it will show you exactly what it is planning to do
[03:12] <valorie> I love the gui, but there are certain tasks that are so much easier in the cli
[03:12] <valorie> it makes sense to figure them out
[03:13] <RosettaTrad> ok it works, in the beginning it said permission denied, so I ran it with sudo and it works
[03:15] <monkeyjuice> could just run sudo dolphin in termanal and it should work also
[03:15] <RosettaTrad> oh
[03:16] <valorie> well, it will take much longer in dolphin
[03:16] <monkeyjuice> ya but you can click and drag
[03:16] <valorie> it's worthwhile to learn how to use rsync for big jobs
[03:16] <valorie> it makes backup easy, so you'll do it
[03:16] <monkeyjuice> true ;)
[03:16] <valorie> when backup takes a day, you'll skip doing it
[03:17] <valorie> RosettaTrad: congratulations
[03:17] <valorie> you just run it the other way to suck the stuff from your backup onto your hd
[03:18] <valorie> believe me, it's worthwhile to learn rsync
[03:18] <RosettaTrad> thank you, I am using kubuntu since 2 years now and din't have any trouble, but after updating to 13.10 it started to get messy
[03:18] <valorie> I've had a few bad upgrades over the years
[03:19] <monkeyjuice> i never upgrade i install freash
[03:20] <RosettaTrad> the problem is that I had many broken packages and apps that disappeared
[03:20] <valorie> hmmm, I had no problems with the beta, or final
[04:15] <sherriwooten> Hello World!
[05:16] <rayz> hello all
[05:27] <pepon> hola
[06:46] <nandhu> #pxelinux
[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:22] <woda_> where i can download libx264? kubuntu 13.10
[10:25] <lordievader> woda_: libx264-123? sudo apt-get install libx264-123
[10:28] <woda_> lordievader: thank you
[10:31] <lordievader> woda_: No problem ;)
[11:15] <nuves> morning
[11:29] <monkeyjuice> morning
[11:29] <lordievader> Hey monkeyjuice, how are you?
[11:29] <monkeyjuice> good lordievader got up early today ;)
[11:29] <monkeyjuice> how you doing lordievader
[11:30] <lordievader> monkeyjuice: Doing good. :)
[11:30] <monkeyjuice> been thinking i need to upgrade some day still running 12.04
[11:30] <lordievader> monkeyjuice: My server is also running 12.04 ;)
[11:31] <monkeyjuice> it runs good so kind of hate to change ;)
[11:31] <monkeyjuice> whats for lunch?
[11:31] <Avihay> :->
[11:31] <monkeyjuice> hey there Avihay
[11:31] <Avihay> hi
[11:32] <Avihay> don't plasma and sometimes kwin crash on you once in a while?
[11:33] <monkeyjuice> me? crash ummmm no
[12:57] <huynhempire> dfsf
[12:57] <huynhempire> hi is anyone here i would like some help
[13:32] <Rory> 3 seconds, that has to be a record
[13:44] <Tm_T> Rory: ?
[13:45] <Rory> Oh, 3 minutes not 3 seconds
[13:45] <Rory> Still, people should have more patience
[13:49] <Tm_T> Rory: when they're gone it's too late to tell that (:
[13:49] <Rory> I know, I'm just venting my frustration
[13:51] <Tm_T> wrong place for that (;
[13:59] <G__81> i have installed Kubuntu 13.10 and i see a compositor setting option as open gl 3.1 .I have selected that and applied it. Whats the actual difference with respect to 2.0 opengl which is the default. Is it safe to change it to 3.1  ?
[14:02] <Tm_T> good question
[14:28] <ubuntoid> hi all. tell me pls, can i install php 5.5 (or at least 5.4) on my server with ubuntu 11.04 running? i added Ondrej's repositories and did the apt-get update/upgrade but php version is still 5.3 for some reason
[14:29] <ubuntoid> also, aptitude shows nothing alternatives too
[14:33] <Pici> ubuntoid: 11.04 is no longer supported, so there will not be any PPA packages available for that release.
[14:34] <ubuntoid> Pici: thanks for the answer... and there are no way to cheat this system and tell the package manager or something that this is 12.04?
[14:35] <Pici> ubuntoid: doing that will very likely break everything./
[14:36] <ubuntoid> so what can I do to install new php version? only compile from the sources? the problem is: vps hosting limits list of available operating systems, and unfortunately only 11.04 is available.
[16:04] <yuradoc> Hello
[16:04] <yuradoc> pls help me with after-upgrate bugs
[16:05] <yuradoc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2186165
[16:09] <yuradoc> so maybe could somebody help with pbs?
[17:41] <crowell> has anyone actually gotten gpg working with kmail/kontact?
[17:47] <bartje> hi guys, running kde 4.11.2 here, set to dutch, english, both UK and USA installed, but some apps show in german :-| a known issue?
[17:47] <bartje> I'm talking about qjackctl, and clementine so far
[17:49] <ezra-s> any ppa's for Ubuntu 12.04 to use latest kde or that is not recommended? Stability first
[17:50] <bartje> esra-s: I'd say kubuntu-backports, but if you want stability, I'd stick to the default KDE of 12.04
[17:51] <bartje> sorry, ezra-s :-)
[17:54] <ezra-s> bartje, no problem, just wondering, it's a work laptop but I have that itch for using the latest we all have, hehe :)
[17:54] <bartje> don't we all :-p
[17:54] <ezra-s> you bet :)
[17:55] <ezra-s> I'm happy with kde 4.8.5 which ships with kubuntu 12.04 though
[17:57] <bartje> I do have a very positive experience with the support.. I remember having a critical bug in Krita, shipped with the backport-ppa, which didn't have any icons anymore.. At first they said it would be fixed at the end of november, but the next day there already was an update, with a fix :-)
[17:57] <bartje> but of course, you can expect that kind of bugs...
[18:00] <ezra-s> that's nice :)
[18:02] <bartje> and now some apps are in german, no clue why..
[18:02] <ct529> hi everybody! what is the repository "update pre release"?
[18:02] <ezra-s> maybe some locale was mispackaged
[18:03] <bartje> probably, but how to fix it? My german is hardly perfect
[18:04] <ezra-s> bartje, no clue reall, I'm merely a "user"
[18:04] <bartje> me too :-)
[18:59] <ryukafalz> Is there any way to use the old plasma networkmanager in Kubuntu 13.10?