[00:33] <LXLE> has anyone had success searching the root directory for files using pcmanfm search tool?
[01:33] <Shiver_> hello and good eveing
[01:33] <ianorlin> how can I help?
[01:34] <Shiver_> I am looking for help loading Lunbuntu, onto a Power Mac G4.. I can load it persay, but when I get to the install option my USB keyboard and Mouse isn't working
[01:35] <Shiver_> My Mouse 'light' is off... and the keyboard worked fine prior to the splash screen I am using an Overburned CD version 13.04
[01:35] <Shiver_> Any help is greatly appricated
[01:37] <Shiver_> I have the system across the room from now, I am using a Windows 7 machine now but the G4 is plugged in and waiting
[01:38] <Shiver_> from me now
[01:38] <ianorlin> can you select check the disk integrity when booting it
[01:39] <ianorlin> or when you get to that keyboard doesn't work
[01:39] <ianorlin> splash screen of install or splash screen after install?
[01:42] <Shiver_> Pardon my 'stupidity' and the terms... But when it boots up and look like it is in a dos setting, at that time Yes I can use the keyboard for the conf I did so and typed out the ABC'S and the light on my mouse was on
[01:43] <Shiver_> I het the Enter key and when I do,that seems the point the USB hardware stops to work
[01:43] <ianorlin> for the install or after?
[01:45] <Shiver_> For ummthe install No spalsh screen at this point
[01:45] <ianorlin> this is the desktop iso or the alternate?
[01:45] <Shiver_> let me go and copy the Last line on my 'dos' screen and tell you what it is
[01:45] <Shiver_> Desktop iso
[01:46] <ianorlin> does the moues work in whatever system is on there now?
[01:46] <Shiver_> sorry it started to load and it is Lubuntu 13.10
[01:48] <Shiver_> By the way, thank you Ianorlin
[01:48] <ianorlin> ah is it loading now?
[01:50] <Shiver_> KK back
[01:51] <Shiver_> My CD is Live 13.10 Saucy Salamander Built 20131016.1
[01:52] <ianorlin> ah yeah it is desktop installer
[01:52] <ianorlin> you did have a try before installing option right
[01:52] <Shiver_> I booted it up I got the screen Last dos command says if doubt press enter-- I used the conf to keep it from loading automatically
[01:53] <Shiver_> On this system, I don't (or didn't) use/have 'Try before installing'
[01:54] <Shiver_> I use Ubuntuand I am familier with it..
[01:54] <ianorlin> ah then it is actually the alt installer which is keyboard only
[01:54] <ianorlin> you will get a graphical user interface after install
[01:54] <ianorlin> juse follow the prompts and press keys
[01:55] <Shiver_> I have an OLD Power Mac g4 it has an Apple Mac OS loaded... And I have some older Larger HDD  I removed the OS HDD, placed a Mac formatted Blank HDD in it and boot from the CD
[01:56] <Shiver_> Ok now the Keyboard and mouse works.. It has Lights etc
[01:56] <ianorlin> ah ok let me know if you have any problems?
[01:56] <Shiver_> But if I hit 'Enter' Key and get the splash screen the USB hardware stops
[02:00] <Shiver_> I hit enter- the screen goes to a Blue Splash screen With white lettering Lubuntu 13.10 three option Keyboard dosen't work at this time (and the Optical mouse Light is off
[02:01] <ianorlin> is it loading?
[02:02] <ianorlin> how much ram?
[02:02] <Shiver_> it then goes to a black screen with Yellow lettering and Loads a GUI My mouse Icon is dead center to the screen (will not work/light is off) and keyboard is off too... have to hold the Power button down to restart when I do I get like 7 options and off course I can't pick them (usb not working)
[02:03] <ianorlin> does hitting control alt f1 do anything?
[02:03] <Shiver_> the upper left hand side of the GUI has Load Lubuntu 13.10(folder)
[02:03] <Shiver_> Let me go and try Be right Back
[02:04] <Shiver_> K CTRL -ALT f1 Nothihng
[02:05] <Shiver_> CTRL ALT Del /Esc Nothing
[02:05] <Shiver_> Still at splash screen looks like a weaved background and the Ico is still there
[02:09] <ianorlin> does pressing any key work?
[02:10] <Shiver_> not at all
[02:10] <ianorlin> wiat this doesn't have a sysreq key does it
[02:14] <Shiver_> no not that i know of
[02:15] <Shiver_> And I just walked back I  am at the desktop screen to install it.. I disconnected the USB and retried it and No not working
[02:23] <Runemoro> Hello, can anyone help me?
[02:23]  * ianorlin is not sure how unless you can hard boot and do boot integrity test
[02:23] <Runemoro> I just installed lubuntu-core and now when I login the desktop is blank
[02:24] <Runemoro> There is no right-click menu
[02:24] <ianorlin> does pressing control alt t work?
[02:24] <ianorlin> is there a panel at the bottom
[02:24] <Runemoro> no, no
[02:24] <ianorlin> does pressing contorl alt f1 get you to a tty
[02:25] <Runemoro> Yes, it does
[02:27] <Runemoro> hello?
[02:29] <ianorlin> can you try updating system with apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[02:30] <Runemoro> ianorlin, There are no updates
[02:31] <ianorlin> is this from mini-iso?
[02:31] <Runemoro> yes
[02:33] <ianorlin> does dpkg --get-selections | grep lxpanel return any packages if you have no panel?
[02:33] <Runemoro> yes, lxpanel and  lubuntu-lxpanel-icons
[02:35] <ianorlin> you said control alt t didn't bring up a terminal
[02:35] <ianorlin> did you log into openbox?
[02:35] <Runemoro> No
[02:35] <ianorlin> to both?
[02:36] <ianorlin> does clicking on the desktop do anything?
[02:36] <Runemoro> n
[02:36] <Runemoro> no*
[02:39] <ianorlin> what kind of graphics card?
[02:39] <Runemoro> intel
[02:40] <Runemoro> and xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed
[02:40] <Shiver_> Ianorlin -I used live-powerpc USB seems to be working and tring other commands.. AFK
[02:40] <ianorlin> ah ok
[02:41] <Shiver_> I used Live-nosplash-powerpc seems to be trying to work
[02:42] <ianorlin> can you cat ~/.xseisson errors and see if there are any?
[02:42] <Runemoro>  (gnome-settings-daemon:1168): color-plugin-WARNING **: unable to get EDID for xrandr-LVDS1: unable to get EDID for output
[02:42] <Runemoro> spammed over and over
[02:46] <Runemoro> ianorlin, Could this be related? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1985837
[02:50] <Runemoro> ianorlin?
[02:52] <Runemoro> is there any way I could install the lubuntu desktop only without any other programs
[02:53] <ianorlin> sorry my mom was bleeding
[02:53] <Runemoro> Other than mini.iso because that doesn't work
[02:53] <Runemoro> oh... Is she ok?
[02:53] <ianorlin> yes
[02:54] <ianorlin> that thread looked like it solution might work if your ~/.config/monitors.xml was wrong
[02:55] <Runemoro> I don't have that file
[02:56] <glen_> problem booting lubuntu
[02:56] <ianorlin> right after install?
[02:57] <ianorlin> which version?
[02:57] <glen_> no.  i had installed lubuntu ... but then did an install of xubuntu-desktop
[02:57] <Runemoro> Found something that might help me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution#Problem:__Incorrect_Resolution_when_no_EDID_available_such_as_from_old_monitor_or_a_KVM_device
[02:57] <glen_> and tried to go back to lubuntu-desktop but now the boot does not complete
[02:57] <glen_> 13.10 is the version
[02:58] <ianorlin> can you get into a tty?
[02:58] <glen_> yes
[03:00] <glen_> i can press ctl-alt-f1 and log in
[03:00] <Runemoro> ianorlin, xorg.conf is missing...
[03:01] <ianorlin> ah then the boot paramter of the video might do the trick now to look up how to do that
[03:05] <ianorlin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150879/can-i-force-vga-signal-output-even-when-xrandr-shows-disconnected looks like it might help
[03:05] <ianorlin> for runemoror
[03:05] <ianorlin> glen_ check ~/.xsession-errors
[03:06] <Runemoro> OMG!
[03:06] <Runemoro> I FIXED IT
[03:06] <Runemoro> by deleting .Xauthority
[03:06] <Runemoro> I hate X, I can't wait for Mir
[03:09] <glen_> .xsession-errors shows that there is a problem in .profile   i will comment line and reboot
[03:10] <Runemoro> glen_, where does the boot stop?
[03:14] <glen_> i see lubuntu and the 5 dots
[03:14] <glen_> it does not finish
[03:14] <Runemoro> glen_, press esc
[03:15] <glen_> it is looping
[03:15] <Runemoro> press the escape key
[03:15] <Runemoro> what's written in the terminal
[03:15] <glen_> now i see * Stopping CPU interrupts balancing daemon
[03:16] <Runemoro> reboot the computer
[03:16] <glen_> most lines have [ ok ] .. some with [fail]
[03:16] <Runemoro> and hold shift while it boots
[03:17] <Runemoro> wait
[03:17] <Runemoro> is it stuck on * Stopping CPU interrupts balancing daemon
[03:17] <glen_> ok, i am in grub window now
[03:18] <Runemoro> highlight ubuntu and press e
[03:18] <glen_> k, i am there
[03:19] <Runemoro> replace quiet splash $vt_handoff with text
[03:19] <Runemoro> then ctrl-x
[03:20] <glen_> k
[03:20] <glen_> i have the login prompt
[03:21] <glen_> there were 2 lines that came up on the boot.  but i could not read them in time.
[03:21] <Runemoro> ok
[03:21] <Runemoro> the text login line yes?
[03:21] <glen_> yes
[03:22] <Runemoro> login
[03:22] <Runemoro> and type vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:22] <Runemoro> wait, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:23] <glen_> there is no xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[03:24] <Runemoro> yes, it should create it
[03:25] <glen_> ok
[03:25] <glen_> i have an empty file there now (xorg.conf)
[03:25] <Runemoro> press i
[03:25] <Runemoro> and type:
[03:25] <Runemoro> Section "Device"
[03:25] <Runemoro>      Identifier "Intel GMA3600"
[03:25] <Runemoro>     Driver "fbdev"
[03:26] <Runemoro> EndSection
[03:26] <Runemoro> after that press ESC
[03:26] <Runemoro> then type :quit
[03:27] <glen_> k, that is done
[03:27] <Runemoro> ok
[03:27] <Runemoro> now lxsession
[03:27] <Runemoro> and ctrl-alt-f7
[03:28] <glen_> i do see an old core file in /etc/X11
[03:30] <glen_> sorry,  is lxsession a command?
[03:30] <Runemoro> yes
[03:30] <glen_> k, it returned messages:
[03:31] <glen_> Session is (null)
[03:31] <glen_> DE is (null)
[03:31] <glen_> No session set ...
[03:31] <glen_> No desktop env ...
[03:31] <Runemoro> hmm
[03:31] <glen_> Gtk-
[03:31] <glen_> oops
[03:31] <Runemoro> Press cttrl-alt-delete
[03:31] <glen_> k
[03:32] <Runemoro> it should reboot now
[03:32] <glen_> last line was warning *** cannot open display
[03:32] <glen_> rebooting now
[03:32] <glen_> still got 2 lines i could not read on reboot
[03:33] <glen_> reboot is running....
[03:34] <glen_> esc shows LightDM failed
[03:34] <Runemoro> is it stuck?
[03:34] <glen_> and plymouth failed, too
[03:35] <glen_> yes reboot still looping
[03:35] <Runemoro> Are there still messages continuing or is it stuck on one?
[03:35] <Runemoro> If it's stuck what's the last one
[03:37] <glen_> last 2 lines are * Stopping cpu interrupts balancing daemon and * Starting
[03:37] <Runemoro> just "* Starting"?
[03:38] <glen_> yes
[03:38] <glen_> * Starting      [ ok ]
[03:38] <glen_> perhaps no [ ok ]
[03:39] <Runemoro> Did you do anything before it broke?
[03:40] <ianorlin> I think he said he installed xubuntu desktop
[03:40] <Runemoro> oh
[03:40] <glen_> yes.  i had installed xubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <glen_> then tried to remove that and install lubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <Runemoro> What did you have before?
[03:41] <glen_> it was running with xubuntu for a while
[03:41] <Runemoro> Why would you try to install xubuntu-desktop if that's what it had?
[03:41] <glen_> i am almost to a point of backing up the home dir and reinstalling ...
[03:41] <glen_> ok
[03:42] <Runemoro> I think that's what you should do
[03:43] <glen_> starting the install of xubuntu desktop now
[03:44] <glen_> ready for reboot ... anything else before reboot?
[03:44] <Runemoro> no
[03:44] <glen_> still get 2 lines on reboot
[03:45] <glen_> but i do see the xubuntu login screen now
[03:45] <glen_> logging in now.
[03:46] <glen_> so what should i do now?  back up the files.... (recommendations for backup?)
[03:46] <ianorlin> yes back stuff up
[03:47] <Runemoro> Copy /home onto a usb stick
[03:47] <ianorlin> or external hard drive
[03:47] <glen_> k
[03:50] <glen_> k, thanks for getting me to logon!
[03:50] <Runemoro> yw :D
[03:51] <Runemoro> also, if you ever need to reinstall everything you can find a list of what packages were installed in /var/log/apt/history.log  to save you some time while reinstalling what programs you had
[03:52] <ianorlin> or you can use dpkg --get-selections < packagelist.txt
[03:52] <Runemoro> but that lists dependencies
[03:53] <ianorlin> ah true
[03:57] <Runemoro> I have to go, bye everyone
[14:22] <jarnos> How can I report an audio bug? I have remarkable noise shown in input levels in Audacity, even if Capture channel is muted. There is more noise in the left channel.
[19:50] <melodie> does someone know if in Precise the kernels of the series 3.8.x are with or without PAE?
[19:52] <Unit193> Not off hand, but wouldn't be hard to tell if you just pull the /boot/config-3.8*-generic file.
[20:21] <melodie> hi Unit193 yes, right. I have not thought of going to fetch the list of files, so bad for me :)
[20:23] <utusan> Earlier I reported here about Firefox not starting in Lubuntu session but still won't even with the lxsession update today.  Funny  it starts with LXDE session as well as in openbox/razor session.
[20:24] <Unit193> utusan: I didn't read scrollback, did someone tell you to call it from the terminal?
[20:24] <utusan> terminal or not it doesn't
[20:25] <Unit193> Yes, but in this case it may give some interesting output.
[20:25] <utusan> segfault
[20:26] <Unit193> Huh.  This is 13.10?  And any configuration changed?  dmesg/syslog say anything useful?
[20:26] <Unit193> Firefox works in Lubuntu here, 13.10.
[20:27] <utusan> this is 14.04
[20:27] <Unit193> Aha, alrighty.
[20:30]  * Unit193 grumbles, decides to download and look.
[20:31] <utusan> What I don't understand is it works in LXDE( right now) and openbox/razor session.  This Firefox is the same app shared by precise/raring/saucy install.
[20:33] <utusan> Lubuntu session executes lxsession but LXDE calls startlxde if this helps.
[20:34] <Unit193> Know what that script has in it?
[20:38] <utusan> lxsession is a binary file but startlxde is too long. not sure if you have it but you can look it up on /usr/share/xsessions
[20:39] <Unit193> I checked, I didn't.  I could look it up on LP, but I'm waiting for trusty to download, and it's not going quickly at ~300KB/s :/
[20:39] <NuSuey> finally got a brain and installing lubuntu instead of ubuntu :o gratz brain..
[20:39] <Unit193> Congrats and glad you like it, NuSuey.
[20:41] <utusan> Unit193: hope you can have it fixed.  Just let you know so I can use lubuntu session again.  Meantime I'm using razor-qt/openbox/LXDE
[20:42] <Unit193> utusan: Well, trusty is very early development right now, and I'm not really a Lubuntu dev.  Might be worth filing against lxsession or lubuntu-meta or somesuch.
[21:02] <NuSuey> Unit193: just wondering where can I find what, etc .. for example searching for - how to change sound output :)
[21:02] <Unit193> alsamixer is the sound tool, but you can install pulse too if you need it.
[21:05] <NuSuey> Unit193: yeah, but where can setup to output the sound to the HDMI output for example :) seraching for that
[21:09] <NuSuey> I would rather not use pulse audio
[21:09] <NuSuey> gives me issues
[21:11] <Unit193> NuSuey: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#HDMI_output_does_not_work
[21:12] <NuSuey> yeah the asound command worked.. just wondering how to change the whole system sound output to hdmi ..and back :)
[21:13] <Unit193> Yes, it said that too, ~/.asoundrc