[17:12] <darkangel_> Hey is there a possible way to Compress the Hard Drive its self without usin 7zip or any thing like that?
[21:30] <darkangel> Ubuntu 14.04 is Freakin alsome
[21:49] <jtaylor> darkangel: concerning your compression question, btrfs supports transparent compression
[21:50] <darkangel> Heard resently its not stable. But how do u get it?
[21:52] <jtaylor> its usable but last I used it dpkg was pretty slow on it
[21:52] <jtaylor> you chose it as filesystem when formating
[21:52] <darkangel> ok
[21:54] <darkangel> how do u compress it?
[21:54] <jtaylor> you mount it with some flag and it compresses automatically
[21:54] <jtaylor> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression
[21:55] <darkangel> so what ever files is downloaded into the btrfs file system it compresses it automaticly?
[21:55] <jtaylor> yes
[21:55] <darkangel> alsome
[21:56] <darkangel> Linux just keeps getting better and better
[21:56] <jtaylor> yabout time we catch up with windows xp :)
[21:57] <darkangel> yup
[21:57] <darkangel> is there any options or Compressing radios u can set for the btrfs file sys?
[21:58] <jtaylor> only two algorithms I think
[21:58] <darkangel> disk utils?
[22:09] <darkangel> Can btrfs be a Default Main File system?
[22:10] <jtaylor> maybe soon
[22:10] <jtaylor> its still slower than ext4 in many situation
[22:10] <darkangel> i c
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> darkangel: sure
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> used it for 3 years
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> it's definitely slower on SSDs
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> not that slower on HDD
[22:14] <darkangel> i c
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> and it has awesome features
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> like expand, dedup, snapshot, etc
[22:15] <darkangel> So it dont have issues on bein a Main file system like no Serious bugs?
[22:15] <jtaylor> though expand, snapshot and sort of subvolumes can also be done with lvm
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> I did use ZFS 4linux for two cycles
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> till my SSD died and I couldn't restore the ZFS partition
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> back to ext4 now
[22:17] <darkangel> well i might check it out on my HDD wow
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> ZFS is very very powerfull
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> and it does have more management tools than BTRFS
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> but much less well supported by the kernel
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> so I can break on kernel updates
[22:36] <lapion> FernandoMiguel, an install on btrfs takes forever..
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> lapion: no idea... haven't done one ine 3 or 4 years
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> plus running a brand new SSD, samsung Evo 840 250GBs
[22:37]  * lapion installed xubuntu with a network install and it took 8 hours.. later had to do a reinstall with ext4 from scratch also from network took 2 to 3 hours..
[22:37] <FernandoMiguel> could be a slow network, lapion
[22:37] <FernandoMiguel> even Wind8 doesn't take that long LOL
[22:38] <lapion> nope FernandoMiguel the ext4 install was including network download.. the btrfs instal was after network download
[23:16] <penguin42> I think I had read about issues with btrfs v dpkg
[23:19] <jtaylor> yes its pretty slow
[23:19] <jtaylor> but can be worked around with eatmydata
[23:28] <penguin42> nod, which frankly probably makes sense if it was tied into taking a btrfs snapshot at the start of a major update and then setting eatmydata
[23:28] <penguin42> jtaylor: Why isn't eatmydata set during install anyway - for a fresh install there's no reason to do all the sync's is there?
[23:31] <jtaylor> last I asked people though --force-unsafe-io is enough
[23:32] <jtaylor> but someone agreed with me its not and wanted to look into it, don't know if anything happened
[23:32] <jtaylor> maybe it did, because my last install was pretty fast even without manual eatmydata setup