[01:58] <cmaloney> https://github.com/landondyer/kasm/blob/master/LICENSE
[02:02] <rick_h_> heh, well that's a new license
[13:15] <rick_h_> morning
[13:49] <jrwren> good morning.
[14:09] <rick_h_> off to hack from peets if they're open. Will work on getting back our CHC room. Wish me luck.
[14:10] <trevlar> good luck!
[14:10] <trevlar> they are open
[14:10] <trevlar> stopped in this morning
[14:17] <cmaloney> trevlar: Awesome!
[14:27] <jjesse> morning
[14:30] <cmaloney> morning
[14:49] <rick_h_> ugh, we're done for here
[14:50] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What happened?
[14:50] <cmaloney> no meeting room?
[14:51] <brousch> Trying a new coffee shop?
[14:51] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no, the room was opened up to the main area and it's additional searting
[14:52] <cmaloney> Bah
[14:52] <brousch> Bring your own whiteboards as partitions
[14:52] <rick_h_> the table sizes are all pretty small
[14:52] <rick_h_> there's on 'big table' like they used to have out here
[14:53] <rick_h_> though they have fresh roasted beans, so I'll have to start sending cmaloney here to get me coffee beans :P
[14:53] <cmaloney> So it'll be a challenge to get the big table
[14:53] <rick_h_> and wtf, first day open and tables are crooked already
[14:53] <cmaloney> Are the tables square or round?
[14:54] <rick_h_> mix, looks about half and half
[14:54] <cmaloney> OK, so if need be we could improvise
[14:54] <rick_h_> I mean, if no one was here, we could pull together enough square tables, but right now the place is packed and there's no way we could get 4 people together
[14:54] <rick_h_> not sure how it'll be wed nights
[14:55] <cmaloney> Well we already know the Starbucks on Woodward is crowded and we've managed
[14:56] <rick_h_> yea, but we've only had 4 people there. I think most folks have stayed away
[14:56] <cmaloney> Maybe we could try Peet's on Wed to see if it's any better.
[14:56] <rick_h_> yea, at this point I guess we'll hit it up this week and go from there
[14:56] <rick_h_> but :(
[14:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, big :(
[14:57] <cmaloney> Did they at least keep the fireplace?
[14:57] <rick_h_> nope
[14:57] <brousch> There's always mcdonald's. They have coffee and free wifi
[14:57] <cmaloney> bastards
[14:57] <rick_h_> it's totally redone. They took more space for the barista area, smaller tables overall
[14:58] <rick_h_> anyone want to work for my wife's medical practice? Their IT guy is leaving
[14:58] <cmaloney> They use Windows right?
[14:58] <rick_h_> I'm working on getting a job description
[14:59] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, lots of windows but the guy had been intereted in pulling some linux in. Not sure what all they run/etc
[14:59]  * cmaloney doesn't do Windows. ;)
[14:59] <cmaloney> (if he can help it)
[14:59] <rick_h_> heh, same here
[15:00] <rick_h_> heh, for some reason bzr pull origin master doesn't work :/
[15:00] <cmaloney> wonder if git would handle that better. ;)
[15:02] <brousch> Medical software is all Windows
[15:02] <brousch> And Windows servers
[15:03] <flipsidecreation> hello
[15:03] <brousch> haloo?
[15:04] <flipsidecreation> heeeelo
[15:04] <flipsidecreation> or perhaps a happy monday
[15:04] <cmaloney> howdy.
[15:05] <flipsidecreation> So I am not liking the new unity as much and I am thinking about my ubuntu to gnome 3
[15:06] <flipsidecreation> should I just run gnome Ubuntu or load 13.10 and just add gnome3 ?
[15:07] <brousch> KDE
[15:07] <brousch> or XFCE
[15:09] <flipsidecreation> but gnome 3 is so pretty!
[15:09] <jjesse> KDE rules
[15:09] <brousch> Pretty is for Appholes
[15:10] <cmaloney> I use Ubuntu 12.04 with pretty much the defaults.
[15:10] <flipsidecreation> that is what I am using now on my desktop
[15:10] <flipsidecreation> I am annoyed that they removed the F3 spit screen in later versions
[15:10] <cmaloney> It took me a little while to get used to it, but there's some quick tweaks you can make to make it nicer.
[15:10] <trevlar> rick_h_: are you in the main area or the new back section where there's a piece of paper on the wall that says "mirror goes here"
[15:10] <cmaloney> What's that?
[15:11] <cmaloney> (The F3 Split Screen)
[15:11] <rick_h_> trevlar: main area by the front door
[15:11] <flipsidecreation> the F3 to split the file view, I use it as I transfer files between computers and servers frequently
[15:12] <flipsidecreation> in Nautilis
[15:12] <cmaloney> flipsidecreation: Ah, I've just used tabs
[15:12] <cmaloney> and Nautilus is likely direct from GNOME so you're going to run into the same thing with GNOME 3
[15:13] <infused_> hello all
[15:13] <flipsidecreation> that feature is still in Nautilis GNOME 3, Ubuntu  just disabled it in later versions
[15:13] <cmaloney> flipsidecreation: Really? That's strange that they'd remove it
[15:13] <cmaloney> Doesn't seem to make sense.
[15:13] <flipsidecreation> yeah, stupid
[15:14] <flipsidecreation> they did not re purpose the F3 for any other use
[15:14] <flipsidecreation> and its still in the new Debian
[15:14] <cmaloney> http://askubuntu.com/questions/285588/is-there-a-way-to-restore-nautilus-split-screen-f3-feature
[15:15] <cmaloney> So perhaps it was added back but not pulled into the later Ubuntu releases.
[15:15] <flipsidecreation> " doesn't work well with touch" is a dumb reason
[15:16] <cmaloney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676858 <- That's a GNOME reasoning
[15:17] <flipsidecreation> huh, my bad.  I thought it was Ubuntu
[15:17] <cmaloney> Yeah, unfortunately it's easy to pick on Ubuntu these days
[15:17] <cmaloney> but not everything is their fault. :)
[15:17] <flipsidecreation> well, at least I can still complain about having to remove the Amazon search lens
[15:17] <flipsidecreation> :)
[15:18] <cmaloney> Feel free. :)
[15:18] <cmaloney> but yeah, I've never used it. I've generally opened two windows.
[15:18] <cmaloney> so, I learned something today that'll be deprecated. :)
[15:19] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/103632865447092840471/posts/XD3kkUKGSnZ
[15:19] <flipsidecreation> I use the Amazon search lens as an argument as to why I run Debian as my servers
[15:19]  * rick_h_ throws down the mic
[15:19] <rick_h_> and walks away
[15:19] <rick_h_> flipsidecreation: really? it's a reason to run debian on a server without any UI or scopes or anything?
[15:20]  * rick_h_ must not have had enough coffe yet
[15:20] <rick_h_> clearly not if I can't spell coffee today ugh
[15:20] <cmaloney> Do not poke happy fun rick_h_
[15:20] <rick_h_> widox_: I'm getting angry at FF again, curse this stupid tool
[15:20] <flipsidecreation> servers don't need GUI
[15:21] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1074/ wtf is the error again?
[15:21] <rick_h_> flipsidecreation: kind of my point, so what's the rational you're selling on the AWS search scope being a reason to run debian on a server?
[15:22] <jjesse> umm why wouldn't you run ubuntu server than
[15:22] <jjesse> this seems like a dumb arguement
[15:23] <rick_h_> jjesse: that's why I'm confused
[15:23] <flipsidecreation> doesn't Ubuntu server have the same shopping lens in the GUI?
[15:23] <jjesse> sorry that might be a bit mean but if you are running a GUI less server than there would be no scopesat all
[15:23] <jjesse> flipsidecreation: only if you install ubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <jjesse> on the server
[15:23] <cmaloney> Ubuntu Server doesn't ship with any gui utilities
[15:24] <flipsidecreation> then i stand corrected
[15:24] <flipsidecreation> I thought server came with GUI
[15:24] <cmaloney> np. Just seems like an awful lot of baby to throw out. :)
[15:24] <jjesse> sorry for the "dumb" comment
[15:25] <jjesse> when you do an install of Ubuntu Server there are no tools installed
[15:25] <cmaloney> no "gui" tools.
[15:25] <flipsidecreation> I have been using Debian since about 2003 when i switched from Redhat.  I change slwo
[15:25] <rick_h_> rather a bit like a debian install :P
[15:25] <cmaloney> That's fine. If you have need for Debian then go with it
[15:25] <rick_h_> /install/server install
[15:26] <cmaloney> but if you like the Ubuntu flavoring save for the lenses then Ubuntu Server will do the trick.,
[15:26] <rick_h_> just please watch the FUD, there's more than enough for all of us going around these days.
[15:26] <flipsidecreation> I try not to add to the FUD
[15:27] <jjesse> I heard the reason there are no more unicorns is because Mark killed them all :)
[15:27] <rick_h_> we at ubuntu clearly believe in a unicorn-free world
[15:27] <rick_h_> those damn hopping things only distracted from a pure user experience
[15:27] <jjesse> umm totally you notice no release has ever had the word unicorn in it
[15:27] <flipsidecreation> and on that note, one of my clients was getting pitched by another IT company who told them because they used open source they were at HUGE risk!
[15:27] <rick_h_> and kept us from making a ton of $$$$
[15:28] <flipsidecreation> they even went as far to say other companies might not want to do business with them because they used open source software
[15:29] <rick_h_> yep, seems to be killing amazon, google, facebook, github, ...
[15:29] <rick_h_> poor companies dealing in OSS have no hope to stick around or eek out a living
[15:30] <flipsidecreation> The IT company doing the sales pitch loves Microsoft and big service contracts.
[15:30] <cmaloney> Of course they do
[15:30] <flipsidecreation> My client politely showed them to the door
[15:30] <cmaloney> there's money to be made in prolonging the problem. ;)
[15:31] <flipsidecreation> yup
[15:31] <flipsidecreation> They said the open source firewall was a HUGE risk
[15:34] <brousch> You can install any GUI tools you want into Ubuntu server after install
[15:34] <rick_h_> brousch: yes, but that's not the point :)
[15:35] <flipsidecreation> I have a new server to build, I will have to give Ubuntu server a good look :)
[15:37] <brousch> All of my servers are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[15:37] <flipsidecreation> any issues?
[15:39] <brousch> None
[15:39] <flipsidecreation> nice
[15:39] <rick_h_> brousch: want to move out to the cool side of the state and run IT for my wife's medical practice? :)
[15:39] <brousch> ew
[15:39] <brousch> No Windows servers for me
[15:40] <brousch> They have a full time IT guy?
[15:40] <flipsidecreation> but fixing windows servers is how I make a living!
[15:40] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, it's a big practice
[15:40] <brousch> flipsidecreation: Where are you located?
[15:40] <flipsidecreation> Taylor MI
[15:40] <brousch> rick_h_: And since when is Detroit "the cool side"?
[15:41] <brousch> Maybe in 1975
[15:41] <jjesse> yeah who died and made detroit cool
[15:41] <rick_h_> brousch: :)
[15:42] <flipsidecreation> I thought Detroit was cool back in the 1950's
[15:42] <brousch> Everything I read says Detroit is a crime-ridden corrupt food desert cesspool
[15:43] <flipsidecreation> not all of Detroit is like that
[15:43] <brousch> Where as my side gets a new "Top 10 for <good thing>" award every month
[15:44] <flipsidecreation> brousch: where are you from?
[15:44] <brousch> Grand Rapids
[15:45] <brousch> rick_h_: Taylor is in Detroit. You should hire flipsidecreation
[15:45] <flipsidecreation> brousch: I agree, Grand Rapis is > Detroit
[15:46] <brousch> We just had a really good givecamp last weekend
[15:46] <flipsidecreation> I would move but I have my business and family here
[15:47] <brousch> Move them too. Grand Rapids is top 10 for places to raise a family and for employment
[15:48] <flipsidecreation> I know, but it might difficult moving my ex-wife unless I pay for it.
[15:48] <brousch> Actually we do need more Linux contractors here. They are hard to find since everyone is gainfully employed
[15:50] <flipsidecreation> certainly something to think about.
[15:52] <brousch> If you live on the east side of GR, it's about a 2 hour drive to Taylor
[15:52] <flipsidecreation> but I only have an 13 minute drive now
[15:53] <brousch> Just saying. Not too bad ;)
[15:53] <rick_h_> someone take my internet away today before I do real damage
[15:53] <brousch> what's your ip address?
[15:54] <rick_h_> 70.194.6.116
[15:54] <brousch> You want it removed via DDOS or pedophile report?
[15:55] <rick_h_> brousch: hmm, DDOS probably better kthx
[15:57] <brousch> OK, I'm posting to slashdot about how you are personally responsible for mir and unity
[15:58] <rick_h_> brousch: rgr, thanks
[16:01] <brousch> rick_h_: What is setting you off today?
[16:01] <rick_h_> brousch: the world I think
[16:02] <brousch> Is it coffee house rage?
[16:02] <flipsidecreation> perhaps its just Monday
[16:02] <rick_h_> brousch: FF extesion dev, the coffee shop fubar'ing CHC, the whole AMZ scope ubuntu crap, and general monday'ness I think
[16:02] <brousch> flipsidecreation: Are you saying rick_h_ has a case of the Mondays?
[16:02] <flipsidecreation> perhaps, they are contagious
[16:03] <rick_h_> and annoying people https://plus.google.com/106169754790060033027/posts/hBzcB42wXqa
[16:03] <brousch> rick_h_: Bookie FF extension?
[16:03] <rick_h_> brousch: trying, waf and widox_ have each gotten bits working and I REALLY want to make it work
[16:03] <flipsidecreation> There are a lot of F-Bombs being dropped on twitter http://www.fbomb.co/
[16:03] <rick_h_> but damn if FF doesn't just try to enrage me
[16:03] <rick_h_> flipsidecreation: congrats?
[16:04] <flipsidecreation> rick_h_: ?
[16:04] <rick_h_> flipsidecreation: about the f-bombs. I'm not sure how to reply to that. Came a bit out of left field? Or was that a demo of cranky mondays?
[16:04] <brousch> Hm, I was hoping for a graph of fbombs over time showing that there are more on Mondays than other days
[16:05] <flipsidecreation> it was a reference to how cranky people are on Monday
[16:07] <flipsidecreation> I found the site yesterday and it did not look like the war zone that is today
[16:23] <rick_h_> yay it works kinda
[16:24] <brousch> rick_h_: Can I endorse you on linkedin for Firefox Extension skills now?
[16:24] <rick_h_> brousch: no, never ever
[16:29]  * brousch looks for 'PHP linting' among the skills
[16:30] <rick_h_> heh
[16:30] <rick_h_> ok, coffee shop time done. back to the house
[17:31] <cmaloney> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mQ5oIMCDUoU/UoERaCFFDpI/AAAAAAAAZEo/kjbGw1kHzg8/w452-h426-no/10+11+2013+-+1.jpg
[17:31] <cmaloney> for rick_h_ ^
[17:38] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :P
[19:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[19:26] <rick_h_> booo, firefox extension won't load on mobile
[19:33] <brousch> Get a real web browser!
[19:34] <rick_h_> widox_: merged in the work you did and some tweaks and updated the readme/etc. I've published an alpha xpi and added it to the readme.
[19:35] <rick_h_> greg-g: hit up the readme if you feel like almost having a bookie extension :) https://github.com/bookieio/bookie-firefox
[19:35] <rick_h_> greg-g: saving a bookmark works once you've setup your preferences but barely and needs a lot of work still
[19:41] <brousch> Is greg-g a mozilla user?
[19:48] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I know why I sold this KLF album, but I'm glad I have it.
[19:49] <cmaloney> http://www.last.fm/user/squeekyhoho
[19:57] <rick_h_> brousch: umm yea
[21:08] <cmaloney> Fuck, there's snow outside.
[21:10] <brousch> I disbelieve
[21:11] <brousch> It will melt before 5
[21:36] <brousch> purdy http://regebro.github.io/hovercraft/#/step-1
[21:44] <greg-g> brousch: iceweasel, I guess actually :)
[22:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: give it a try if you get a few min. Will work on it some more tomorrow at MUG and probably Wed at CHC
[22:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: so will update as we go
[22:26] <greg-g> cool, probably tonight (in the middle of install ipkg on my synology nas)
[22:27] <greg-g> aka: voiding my warranty
[22:27] <cmaloney> heh
[22:27] <cmaloney> Installing Squeezebox?
[22:27] <greg-g> I want screen
[22:27] <greg-g> it has a squeezebox app...
[22:27] <greg-g> like, a legit one
[22:27] <cmaloney> :-D
[22:28] <greg-g> what you linked to before
[22:28] <greg-g> I want to be able to have a screen session
[22:28] <greg-g> for rsync and such
[22:28] <greg-g> ya know, data stuffsorz
[22:28] <cmaloney> I didn't know it had a proper Squeezebox app
[22:28] <cmaloney> thought it was something community supported.
[22:30] <greg-g> ah, no, totally in the 'main'/default sources
[22:30] <cmaloney> nice
[22:30] <cmaloney> did you set that up yet?
[22:30] <greg-g> I added one of the popular community repos, and man, just stuff for usenet downloarder
[22:30] <greg-g> downloarders? heh
[22:30] <cmaloney> That's a syllogism for dlwonload hoarders. ;)
[22:30] <cmaloney> download even
[22:31] <greg-g> no, not yet, top priority is still making backups of photos/videos
[22:32] <cmaloney> God, I hate when I do stupid things that take all day to undo
[22:32] <cmaloney> like, for instance, putting my dictionary init outside of my loop
[22:33] <cmaloney> Thank goodness for testing.