[05:14] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[05:19] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn 
[05:19] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos :)
[05:43] <Kilos> wow they got even 4tb drives out now seagate has
[05:43] <Kilos> for 2k at makro
[05:53] <kbmonkey> morning all
[05:53] <Kilos> morning kbmonkey 
[05:54] <kbmonkey> feel sick today Kilos. first time this year
[05:54] <Kilos> aw sorry man
[05:55] <Kilos> i still got yesterdays head as well, time to remove it methinks
[05:55] <kbmonkey> it not too bad. sore throat and paining sinus, brain seems to be all right. no sign of zombification yet.
[05:55] <Kilos> lol
[05:55] <kbmonkey> lol
[05:56] <Kilos> after my rest yesterday avy i started 13.10 kde and the drive had crashed
[05:56]  * Kilos cries
[05:56] <Kilos> was so lekker too
[05:57] <Kilos> nothing on screen and wouldnt take any os even xp
[05:57] <Kilos> serious bad blocks in mbr and boot area methinks
[05:57] <kbmonkey> sorry 
[05:58] <Kilos> np i got unity running kiff still
[05:58] <kbmonkey> how old is the drive may I ask?
[05:58] <kbmonkey> they have a lifespan of 5-10 years
[05:59] <Kilos> its a discard from one of ians clients that i did data recovery on then got it going again
[05:59] <kbmonkey> I had disks that were 15 years and still worked
[05:59] <kbmonkey> they don't make them like they used to
[05:59] <Kilos> yeah
[06:00] <Kilos> i will fight it today sometime. shoulda left 12.04 kde on it, ran kiff for months
[06:00] <Kilos> but 13.10 was really good
[06:02] <Kilos> they clever the kde peeps
[06:02] <Kilos> how did they get a 1.1g iso to install in half the time a 733m iso does
[06:05] <kbmonkey> kilos you should format the dis and frun fsck on it to find bad blocks before installing OS
[06:06] <kbmonkey> jyou probably did that and told you how many blocks are bad
[06:06] <Kilos> ya but them how do you install to the whole drive because it formats everything so bad blocks are used again
[06:06] <Kilos> disk utility said a few bad blocks
[06:07] <kbmonkey> see there is a badblocks program
[06:07] <Kilos> often one can install win to use up the bad block area
[06:07] <Kilos> yes i have them all
[06:08] <Kilos> but with linux you have to save the bad block record somewhere
[06:08] <kbmonkey> okay I must go work now. ciao man
[06:08] <kbmonkey> good luck!
[06:08] <Kilos> ty havva good day lad
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:25] <Kilos> bbl
[06:43] <Squirm> morning
[06:43] <nlsthzn> alo
[06:53]  * nlsthzn just got dual monitors to work in native resolutions in Linux for the first time ever... still now sure how I got it to work but work it does :D
[07:02] <superfly> nlsthzn: um, OK. I've had them working for years
[07:02] <gwoodford> hey everyone
[07:03] <superfly> hi gwoodford
[07:04] <nlsthzn> well I have not had that luck now for a long long time... just to get my main display to be able to go native was one heck of a work around until I finally found a edid file someone had been able to make successfully so even to have one working display was a PITA 
[07:04] <nlsthzn> now if only synapse wouldn't look so ugly... something went wrong after getting the second screen goign :/
[07:04] <superfly> nlsthzn: what hardware do you have, are you trying to use Mir? :-P
[07:04] <nlsthzn> nah not brave enough for that
[07:05] <nlsthzn> nvidia card with a 21" and a 15" screen...
[07:05] <nlsthzn> I broke x a few times now and finally everything just works... xorg.conf is a mess but ya ;P
[07:05] <superfly> at work I have dual 23" with Intel, and at home I have 23" and 17" (or is it 19") with nVidia
[07:05] <superfly> no hassles ever
[07:06] <gwoodford> I've got a questions, I'm running 12.04 Ubuntu on my Acer Aspire S3 laptop, there seems to have been a regression in the last linux kernel update, the suspend functionality now semi bricks my laptop, the screen gets messed up after resuming, wierd resolution/splitting/colors which persist even after rebooting, even in bios. Only fix is to shutdown for a few minutes are hard reset the battery. This only happens with the latest 
[07:06] <gwoodford> I've got a questions, I'm running 12.04 Ubuntu on my Acer Aspire S3 laptop, there seems to have been a regression in the last linux kernel update, the suspend functionality now semi bricks my laptop, the screen gets messed up after resuming, wierd resolution/splitting/colors which persist even after rebooting, even in bios. Only fix is to shutdown for a few minutes are hard reset the battery. This only happens with the latest 
[07:06] <gwoodford> I've got a questions, I'm running 12.04 Ubuntu on my Acer Aspire S3 laptop, there seems to have been a regression in the last linux kernel update, the suspend functionality now semi bricks my laptop, the screen gets messed up after resuming, wierd resolution/splitting/colors which persist even after rebooting, even in bios. Only fix is to shutdown for a few minutes are hard reset the battery. This only happens with the latest 
[07:06] <superfly> gwoodford: we got you the first time
[07:06] <nlsthzn> my 21" doesn't give the correct resolution info and doesn't initialize on most so always annoying :p
[07:07] <superfly> nlsthzn: ah. get a real screen :-P
[07:07] <nlsthzn> lol :)
[07:07] <nlsthzn> now working now happy :p
[07:11] <gwoodford> i'm going to log it on launchpad, but was just wondering if anyone has had similar issues?
[07:11] <gwoodford> i'm going to log it on launchpad, but was just wondering if anyone has had similar issues?
[07:11] <gwoodford> i'm going to log it on launchpad, but was just wondering if anyone has had similar issues?
[07:12] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[07:12] <superfly> gwoodford: have you thought about upgrading? (and please stop typing everything 3 times)
[07:13] <nlsthzn> echo echo echo
[07:18] <nlsthzn> any idea what could be wrong if you loose transparency in Xubuntu?
[07:19] <gwoodford> superfly: i'm only typing in stuff one, not sure why it is being sent 3 times
[07:19] <gwoodford> superfly: i'm only typing in stuff one, not sure why it is being sent 3 times
[07:19] <gwoodford> superfly: i'm only typing in stuff one, not sure why it is being sent 3 times
[07:19] <superfly> -_-
[07:20] <gwoodford> superfly: upgrade, ubuntu or linux? I'm wanting to stay with LTS
[07:21] <superfly> hrmph
[07:22] <superfly> gwoodford: there's no real reason to stay on LTS on a desktop
[07:22] <gwoodford> superfly: is it still sending 3 times now
[07:22] <superfly> it seems not
[07:24] <gwoodford> superfly: suppose i'll have to upgrade
[07:25] <gwoodford> superfly: what ubuntu version are you running?
[07:25] <gwoodford> superfly: what ubuntu version are you running?
[07:25] <gwoodford> superfly: what ubuntu version are you running?
[07:29]  * nlsthzn broke compositing in Xubuntu :'(
[07:34] <superfly> gwoodford: I use Debian, but the last version of Ubuntu I used was 13.04
[07:41] <gwoodford> superfly: i've been thinking of jumping off the deep end and install Gentoo, i really want to learn as much as possible, but I imagine it will hurt
[07:42] <superfly> gwoodford: if you want to learn a lot, try Arch.
[07:42] <superfly> gwoodford: it's compiled, but you still have to install everything from scratch
[07:42] <nlsthzn> if you want to learn how to read and use a wiki install arch :p
[07:43] <gwoodford> superfly: i've heard of Arch, but i want to compile the whole think from scratch at least once in my life :)
[07:44] <superfly> gwoodford: I don't have the time to waste compiling everything from scratch. If you're young and wild, go ahead. I have more importan things to do with my time ;-)
[07:47] <gwoodford> superfly: sigh, not that young, nearly 30, well i've been playing around with Linux From Scratch in a virtual machine, but looks like the whole thing will take me a whole day, i'll do a bit gradually every day, might be done in a week :'(
[07:47] <gwoodford> superfly: sigh, not that young, nearly 30, well i've been playing around with Linux From Scratch in a virtual machine, but looks like the whole thing will take me a whole day, i'll do a bit gradually every day, might be done in a week :'(
[07:47] <gwoodford> superfly: sigh, not that young, nearly 30, well i've been playing around with Linux From Scratch in a virtual machine, but looks like the whole thing will take me a whole day, i'll do a bit gradually every day, might be done in a week :'(
[07:48] <superfly> gwoodford: you're still younger than me :-P
[07:49] <nlsthzn> LFS in one day sounds impressive to me 
[07:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:54] <nlsthzn> inetpro, alo
[09:06]  * nlsthzn has compositing working again... because he actually read his whole xorg.conf and saw one line that actually was disabling it for some reason >.<
[09:07] <psyatw> hi nlsthzn
[09:07] <psyatw> haha
[09:07] <nlsthzn> alo psyatw :) yes I fail at linux :p
[09:08] <nlsthzn> next mission, optimize ffmpeg so that the games I am trying to record doesn't have there sound go out of sync from the start :/
[09:09] <psyatw> well, messing with xorg.conf shouldn´t really be needed anymore
[09:10] <nlsthzn> dual screen, lots of issues with wrong edid info etc. etc...
[09:10] <psyatw> yes
[09:10] <psyatw> it´s something that should work out of the box these days
[09:10] <psyatw> but it still doesn´t
[09:10] <nlsthzn> agreed... for many it does however...
[09:11] <psyatw> have you tried submitting your system info to the xorg developers?
[09:11] <psyatw> hi Trixar_za
[09:12] <nlsthzn> nope I haven't
[09:21] <Trixar_za> Hi psyatw
[09:24] <Squirm> about 10min ago
[09:24] <Squirm> I almost dropped a friend of mines brand new Note 3
[09:24] <Squirm> my heart is still pounding
[09:24] <Squirm> and I feel light headed
[09:24] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but I only connected around when I answered
[09:24] <Trixar_za> :P
[09:25] <nlsthzn> ouch... that would have sucked Squirm 
[09:26] <nlsthzn> reminds me of the youtube vid where the guy opens his new iphone and his friends comes and smashes it with a hammer :p
[09:27] <psyatw> :D
[09:30] <nlsthzn> airdroid <3
[09:32] <psyatw> I´ve heard very good things about it
[09:32] <psyatw> but never tried it myself
[09:32] <psyatw> on my two-year old phone
[09:32] <nlsthzn> it is very good :)
[09:33] <psyatw> :)
[09:42] <charl> good morning
[09:42] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:42]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:42] <charl> hi Squirm, Trixar_za, psyatw, nlsthzn 
[09:43] <Trixar_za> Hey charl
[09:43] <charl> how's it going
[09:43] <psyatw> hi cha
[09:43] <psyatw> hmm
[09:43] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:45] <Squirm> bbiab
[09:46] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:00]  * Squirm looks around
[10:03] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:03] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[10:05] <charl> interesting to read about canonical and cloudfoundry
[10:05] <charl> looks very promising, paas is getting big now
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[10:07]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:07] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:07] <Kilos> hi everyone, coffee time
[10:08] <charl> i'll have another cup too
[10:08] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:08] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[10:08] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[10:08] <charl> Kilos: how's it going? you doing better?
[10:08] <Kilos> just fixed my drive that crashed with 13.10 kde
[10:08] <Kilos> back to 12.04 kde on it
[10:08] <charl> your drive crashed?
[10:09] <Kilos> what a job, even had to go as far as using win 98 to run fdisk /mbr then xp to run fixmbr and fixboot
[10:09] <Kilos> ya my 13.10 kde one
[10:09] <Kilos> went dead
[10:10] <Kilos> now all be kiff again
[10:10] <Kilos> head a bit better today ty
[10:11] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[10:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and charl!
[10:12] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[10:12] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:12] <Kilos> aw need to find my bloep again
[10:15] <charl> Maaz: thanks (again)
[10:15] <Maaz> charl: not at all
[10:22] <charl> i found a nice way to compare file contents between two hosts to see which files changed and which did not
[10:22] <charl> handy for backups etc
[10:22] <charl> ssh remote-server 'md5sum Mail/*' | md5sum -c -
[10:22] <charl> works brilliantly
[10:22] <charl> compares all the contents in the remote mail directory to the local one
[10:22] <Kilos> cool
[10:23] <charl> very cool indeed
[10:23] <Kilos> similar to what rsync does?
[10:24] <charl> it doesn't actually sync anything, and rsync doesn't use hashes as far as i know
[10:24] <Kilos> like rsyncing /home/ to an external or so?
[10:24] <charl> rsync compares on file sizes etc, and unless you run it in dry mode, it will also actually copy the files across
[10:24] <charl> file sizes and modification dates i think
[10:25] <charl> this will compare the actual md5 hashes of files but won't do any copying
[10:25] <Kilos> i use rsync -av and it only copies what isnt there or been added to i think
[10:25] <charl> i think that should also copy modified files
[10:25] <Kilos> ya i think so
[10:26] <charl> sometimes i just want to know what has or hasn't changed without any risk of accidentally copying files across
[10:26] <Kilos> did clean install here and used 20 m update and nothing to upgrade everything
[10:26] <charl> so this feels like the safest solution
[10:26] <Kilos> ya it looks good
[10:27] <Kilos> from what you say it does
[10:27] <charl> and md5sum is so fast it should even work for fairly large files
[10:27] <charl> i collect cool ssh tricks over time :) openssh is super versatile
[10:28] <charl> ok back to work... bbl
[10:37] <Squirm> ssh is cool
[10:51] <inetpro> charl: "rsync -c" does skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size
[10:51]  * inetpro often uses rsync -crvtn
[11:06] <charl> inetpro: thanks, didn't know that
[13:55] <Kilos> hmm... i need to install a .tar file in 12.04  but the fly gonna fight me
[13:56] <Kilos> but i need this thing
[13:56] <Kilos> http://code-industry.net/get.pdfeditor.php
[13:56] <Kilos> in software centre the install button aint there
[14:01] <Kilos> i just installed checkinstall
[14:01] <Kilos> will see from there
[14:14] <Kilos> ah it installs from software centre but you gotta click the buy button then enter ubuntuone info
[14:14] <Kilos> sigh
[14:15] <nlsthzn> use launchpad info...
[14:24] <Kilos> Coh my
[14:24] <nlsthzn> or not :p
[14:24] <Kilos> kinda weird buying something that shows $0.0
[14:25] <nlsthzn> ::)
[14:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:25] <Kilos> but i dunno why it has to tie into ubuntuone
[14:28] <nlsthzn> ubuntuone and laucnhpad share the same log in... the SSO so if you have the one you already have the other... plus Canonical is using ubuntu one kind of the place to centralize all the stuff we buy online from them... like music or apps etc:
[14:36] <Kilos> ah
[14:42] <Kilos> eish that thing is just as hard to use as office writer
[14:55] <nlsthzn> everything is difficult until it becomes easy
[14:55] <Kilos> hahaha cheeky
[15:33] <Kilos> bbl storm close here
[16:09] <Kilos> hmm... big noise no water. sigh
[16:19] <charl> wb Kilos 
[16:19] <Kilos> ty charl 
[18:02] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:02] <Kilos> yo inetpro kom of gaan dit
[18:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> big storm here. wbb
[18:23] <theblazehen> Is Kilos in JHB?
[18:36] <inetpro> theblazehen: no, he's in Pretoria
[18:37] <inetpro> good evening
[19:31] <Kilos> hmm... big boom booms and a bit of rain
[19:32] <theblazehen> Kilos: any hail by you?
[19:33] <Kilos> nope
[19:34] <Kilos> how did the first exam go theblazehen 
[19:34] <theblazehen> Kilos: went well, physics exam, expecting around 8-%
[19:34] <theblazehen> 80% *
[19:34] <Kilos> cool
[19:34] <theblazehen> Yep :) AP Math tomorrow..
[19:35] <theblazehen> Advanced Program
[19:35] <Kilos> what ap math
[19:35] <Kilos> whats
[19:35] <Kilos> oh
[19:35] <Kilos> never heard of that
[19:35] <theblazehen> Ah ok, think it's kinda new
[19:37] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[19:37] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[19:37] <Kilos> ty inetpro did you get some water?
[19:38] <inetpro> yep, but not a lot
[19:38] <Kilos> ya same i think under 5mm
[19:38] <Kilos> but still chance of more tonight and tomorrow
[19:38] <inetpro> might me just a bit more 
[19:38] <inetpro> not sure
[19:39] <inetpro> how's the head?
[19:39] <Kilos> too dark now to go see ill let you know morrow
[19:39] <Kilos> much better ty
[19:39] <Kilos> you will laugh at me
[19:39] <inetpro> hoekom?
[19:40] <Kilos> many6 1000's gauss magnet with north pole to the back of head
[19:41] <Kilos> supposed to be 3000 but i always over do things
[19:41] <inetpro> huh?
[19:41] <Kilos> haha
[19:41] <inetpro> many6 1000's gauss magnet?
[19:41] <Kilos> north is antibiotic
[19:41] <inetpro> what is many6?
[19:41] <Kilos> strenth is measured in gauss
[19:42] <Kilos> maybe 6 or 8000
[19:42] <Kilos> sis forgets
[19:42] <Kilos> oh the 6 was a typo man
[19:42] <inetpro> oh
[19:43] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[19:43] <Kilos> we are creatures of electricity and magnetism
[19:44] <inetpro> just don't short yourself
[19:44] <Kilos> haha no man my sis wrote a book about healing with magnets
[19:44] <inetpro> cool
[19:45] <inetpro> well if it helps it's great
[19:45] <Kilos> only she fights me because i use the ones for making magnetic/oils and waters and stuff on me
[19:45] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:45] <Kilos> sposed to use the small ones on yourself 
[19:46] <Kilos> ya but she dont know how bad the head gets man
[19:46] <Kilos> im sure its worse than migraines
[19:47] <inetpro> you should be used to them by now man
[19:48]  * inetpro doesn't get the migraines often but ehrn they come they are deadly
[19:48] <Kilos> ive forgotten to use the things for years and yesterday i kicked my toe on one and thought lets give it a go again
[19:48] <inetpro> when they come*
[19:48] <inetpro> ai!
[19:49] <inetpro> sounds like you have a short somewhere in the body
[19:49] <inetpro> leaking electronics
[19:49] <Kilos> this is actually a stupid pain because it starts where the hole was inna head then spreads across back of head then pulls the mastoids and top of spine inna crunchy
[19:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:50] <Kilos> she used to sell books and magnets to peeps and treat others here
[19:51] <inetpro> why did she stop?
[19:51] <Kilos> but most peeps rather make doctors rich so she got a job
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm
[19:51] <Kilos> she still has some books and magnets in store somewhere i think
[19:52] <Kilos> she spend years researching it
[19:52] <Kilos> now they sell magnets in shoe soles and all kinds of other things
[19:52] <inetpro> and you only remembered when you kicked your toe?
[19:52] <inetpro> ai!
[19:52] <Kilos> haha ya
[19:53] <inetpro> the toe probably still hurting
[19:54] <Kilos> it doesnt kill all the pain but gets it back to managable and releases the muscles that cause the mastoids and neck to cunch me
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <inetpro> cool
[19:58] <inetpro> next time go kick your toe earlier on something to juggle the memory
[19:59] <Kilos> sjoe meneer boek
[19:59] <Kilos> no ill wait for you to remind me
[19:59] <inetpro> boek?
[19:59] <Kilos> ya the one she wrote
[20:00] <inetpro> ahh
[20:00] <Kilos> she studied lots of alternative healing things and meds
[20:01] <Kilos> and i learned how to doctor animals
[20:01] <Kilos> in my own time
[20:01] <Kilos> lekker with animals , if you wrong and they die you say oops and no tears
[20:24] <Kilos> oh my power went
[20:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep lekker. see ya morrow
[20:29] <inetpro> ai!
[20:30] <Kilos> what?
[20:30]  * inetpro fell off the interwebs
[20:30] <Kilos> lol jy en ai!
[20:30] <Kilos> ya me too man
[20:30] <superfly> there are interwebs?
[20:30] <inetpro> superfly: hi
[20:31] <superfly> hi
[20:31] <inetpro> 8ta must have been down here for a minute or three
[20:31] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie nag oom
[20:32] <Kilos> ya mine died 22 and then power went
[20:32] <Kilos> night
[20:33] <superfly> "down here" inetpro?
[20:33] <inetpro> both me and kilos are on 8ta
[20:33] <superfly> yeah, but the "down here" caught me
[20:34] <superfly> it usually refers to Cape Town
[20:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:34] <superfly> inetpro: meeting tomorrow?
[20:34] <inetpro> superfly: meeting?
[20:35]  * superfly might have been thinking of something else
[20:35]  * inetpro was talking about downtime
[20:36] <superfly> oh
[20:36] <superfly> now I see
[20:36]  * superfly is in another world at the moment
[20:37] <inetpro> np