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xnoxhm, can JontheEchidna or somebody else look into merging k3b ? it's needed for the libav transition.00:35
apacheloggerhe's MIA00:38
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: can you make time for k3b tomorrow?00:38
apacheloggerI am pretty booked with neon and phonon00:38
leif_greetings05:35
leif_:)05:59
soeegood morning07:35
leif_morning07:35
leif_aah gues it is a study day07:41
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lordievaderGood morning.08:03
leif_greetings from denmark08:06
lordievaderHey leif_, how is Denmark today?08:07
leif_cold and raini08:07
lordievaderGood weather to sit behind a computer ;)08:07
leif_yeah and study08:07
leif_geez i am geek08:11
lordievaderleif_: You're in #kubuntu-devel, we all are ;)08:11
leif_watching news on zen sever 08:12
Riddellbuenos dias08:51
lordievaderHey Riddell, how are you doing?08:52
Riddellparad1se: did you look at kde-runtime samba patch?08:52
Riddelllordievader: in early to the office means I get to play music loudly :)08:52
Riddellshadeslayer: I found my laptop cable thanks08:52
lordievaderRiddell: Good reason to get into the office early.08:53
Riddellapachelogger: turns out jon is busy with http://xkcd.com/306/08:54
Riddellso I'll grab k3b today08:56
parad1seRiddell: Hi Ridell, yes I wrote yesterday about. OK I have to add it in the soure-list first. But the dpkg -i worked well (regardless of kde-runtime-dbg depencie problem). Now the remember function in Dolphin with kwallet works great!09:02
parad1seSo far no problem detected.09:03
Riddellparad1se: great, I'll upload it to -proposed and I'll need your help at some point when it's accepted to test it and get it into -updates (which takes 1 week)09:08
RiddellScottK: you rejected kdeconnect-kde? that's needed to make it work at all09:08
ScottKRiddell: Sigh.  It looked like tons of new features.  Let me look again.09:09
RiddellScottK: yeah it probably is but it also fixes the important issue of the protocol update09:09
Riddellparad1se: could you add a test case to bug 1071453 ?09:12
ubottubug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107145309:12
ScottKRiddell: OK.  Accepted it.  Next time a changelog entry more verbose than SRU update would be nice.  If it'd said to fix package being completely broken due to server protocol update, then I'd have never rejected it.09:12
Riddellparad1se: describe how you test it before and after the update to make sure the problem is fixed09:12
RiddellScottK: gotcha, thanks09:12
* ScottK ponders if it's worth going to sleep at all with the alarm clock set for 2 hours and 15 minutes from now ....09:13
valorieScottK: in my experience, 2.25 hours is better than none09:14
RiddellScottK: listen to the shipping forcast like all the insomniacs09:15
ScottKYeah.  Probably.09:15
ScottKRiddell: Reading #kubuntu-devel instead.09:15
ScottK;-)09:15
Riddellthe geek alternative to the World Service09:17
parad1seRiddell: OK, no problem. I will describe my test scenario.10:15
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)11:04
RiddellScottK: bug 1245542 also for SRU love11:21
ubottubug 1245542 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Saucy) "Solid can not read processor information" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124554211:21
RiddellQuintasan: able to test kdeconnect? bug 124643311:24
ubottubug 1246433 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU 0.4.1 to saucy" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124643311:24
apacheloggeryofel: btw, I also saw a build failure with neon qt5, only on saucy and only on i386 and it went away on a retry11:27
apacheloggerqmake is just terrible...11:27
soee4.11.3 are pushed to saucy updates ?11:59
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)12:07
Riddellsoee: in ppa:kubuntu-ppa12:07
soeeRiddell, ah yes thank you12:09
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ovidiu-florinRiddell: regardinf the kdeconnect SRU what exactly do you need tested?12:20
agateauola, I need some help with a packaging issue. Currently trying to get this patch in https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/libdbusmenu-qt/cmake-config/+merge/192895 , but the build failed because the *-config.cmake files are not in the -dev package. It should be easy to add them, but I am a bit worried that the target files are named "*-noconfig.cmake". Is it expected or should the package specify a build type?12:20
soeeRiddell, kdeconect can be tested from proposed ?12:20
debfxagateau: I thought debhelper passes relwithdebinfo nowadays12:27
agateaudebfx: maybe something is wrong with the packaging then, i haven't checked12:27
debfxeither should be fine when you have the build flags in the *FLAGS variables12:27
agateaudebfx: meaning it's ok if the files ends up with "-noconfig.cmake"?12:28
debfxyep12:28
agateauok, thanks12:29
debfxhm, the package doesn't use the dh_auto_* commands12:29
* agateau just heard the sound of the pandora box opening12:30
debfximho it would be better to use them with different build dirs12:30
debfxfor example: QT_SELECT=qt4 dh_auto_configure -Bqt4 -- -DUSE_QT4=true12:32
agateauwould this involve a big refactor of the package?12:32
debfxno, just changing 6 lines in debian/rules12:33
agateauok, going to read doc about dh_auto_configure, but that sounds like something which should be done outside of my patch, so I may end up just adding -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to the cmake calls12:35
agateauI assume the end result should be the same12:35
soeehmm what is jetty ?12:37
Riddellsoee: yep12:39
Riddellovidiu-florin: can you install the kdeconnect-kde package from saucy-proposed and control your android phone with it using kdeconnect-android on the phone12:40
debfxagateau: this should work: http://pastebin.kde.org/pnm4d3ian12:41
debfxwell, with that change you also get verbose build logs, actually passing dpkg-buildflags to cmake12:42
agateaudebfx: sounds good to me12:43
debfxbut I agree that should be a different merge request12:44
agateauok, so I am going to try the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE approach first12:45
agateauthanks for your help!12:46
Riddellshadeslayer: ping ping, we want to go to lunch12:46
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soeeshould i care if when rebooting i see some lines and one of them is: # jetty is not installed ?13:21
soee*13:21
ScottKRiddell: You need to tag them verification-done after you test SRUs.  Then it'll become clear on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html that they are ready to be released.13:22
alleeconnect14:11
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BluesKajHey folks14:39
leif_afternoon14:39
BluesKaj'morning 14:39
leif_:)14:40
leif_those time zones14:40
BluesKajyup :)14:40
leif_think i better get a couple of hours of reading done14:40
RiddellScottK: good point14:55
Riddellleif, parad1se: hey new people could you also test muon from saucy-proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/125011415:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed]15:13
alleeRiddell: sausy SRU kdeconnect-kde <-> Nexus 4:  all fine execpt: clipboard sync only kubuntu->android, Battery not show on desktop, remote  multimedia control:  has short hangs when one quickly clicks the buttons (no regression, same as 0.3.1)15:21
Riddellallee: can you report that on the bug?15:22
alleeRiddell: when home I can compare with 0.3 with 0.4.115:22
alleeokay.15:22
Riddellyeah that's the most useful bit15:22
tester56Riddell: Hi, I have noticed a weired issue: As I was testing Opensuse 13.1 (to see what they have to offer) I noticed  one weired thing: Dolphin is starting up quite a lot faster. I launched from konsole to see if there are any error messages: On Opensuse there are none, but on Kubuntu there are messages like "udisks2: property does not exist". Could that be the reason for the difference?15:27
tester56Riddell:btw: I am not planning to leave kubuntu ;-)15:28
Riddell:)15:28
* Riddell has opensuse and fedora CDs to test15:28
Riddelltester56: I doubt that's the reason, some difference in udev isn't likely to make a speed difference15:28
tester56but on my machine the difference is noticeable15:29
Riddellyeah it would be interesting to work it out but I don't know I'm afraid15:29
Riddellif this was a decade ago I'd say something to do with pre-linking15:29
tester56Riddell: I am not sure if they use prelinking or not, but I think they don't use it anymore15:30
tester56Riddell: When I have time over the weekend I will look in that further and report back if you would be interested. 15:35
Riddelltester56: certainly would but I suspect it's something quite deep in the compiler15:36
tester56but basically both, kubuntu and opensuse use the same source (4.11.2)15:37
tester56you think compile flags can make a noticeable difference (if not debug)?15:37
Riddelleasily15:38
Riddellor some other quite fundamental issue15:38
alleetester56: did you try with freshly created accounts?  Maybe # of files or time to query nepomuk may be the reason for the difference?15:39
tester56Riddell: But if both Opensuse and Kubuntu use the same version of kde, the same kernel version, and both don't use prelink, the only reason that would make sense is the error message. btw, fedora 20 kde does not have the error messages either (and dolphin starts their faster too) 15:39
tester56Riddell: of course not considering a deeper problem15:39
tester56allee: yes fresh accounts15:40
Riddellrun kdebugdialog and turn on all the tickboxes, you'll get plenty of messages :)15:40
tester56allee: no nepomuk issue, as i monitored process with both top and iotop and it was quiet when i tested15:40
alleetester56: some time ago there was a blog post of a suse guy about making kde pkg less interdependent and get more speed.  Maybe you find dolphin mentione there???15:45
tester56allee: I don't know, as I don't know the blog post you are referring to 15:45
Riddelllubos lunak was into that15:46
Riddellsearch for his blog and akademy talk15:46
apacheloggerif only there was a suite of tools to use for profiling applications15:53
rdieterallee: you're probably thinking of 'klyde' (from wstephensen/opensuse)16:03
alleerdieter: yes, that sounds familar.  16:05
tester56allee: that was not about speeding up things, that was about a special packaing approach to make certain things optional16:06
alleetester56: yes, but I assumed if you don't use all features, remaining stuff may run faster16:41
tester56allee; yeah true, but I mean it is not a direct speedup, only a speedup for  computers with limited ressources16:42
Riddellparad1se: don't forget the test case for that samba patch16:52
Riddellbug 107145316:52
ubottubug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107145316:52
* Riddell out16:52
jussianyone here from munich?  or know munich? 17:39
jussineed a restaurant recommendation...17:39
Riddelltry wikivoyage?17:39
tester56I wonder if it is possible to change drag and drop icons (by that I mean changing them in an icon theme)17:43
ScottKThat'd be an upstream question.  We don't customize those.17:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)19:54
volkanHi all, for the 14.04 version do you plan to change the view of website?20:25
volkanFor Turkish version, I am planning to use this: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/20:25
volkanbasically uses bootstrap, jquery and lightbox for image viewing20:25
volkanthey are all open20:25
volkanalso place a link to forward into main site (as in Libreoffice.org)20:26
soeeRiddell, any progress with KDEConnect ?20:30
ScottKsoee: IIRC waiting for testers.20:42
soeeah ye, i forgot20:43
soeewill test now20:43
soeeScottK, can i install all updates from proposed ?20:44
ScottKsoee: They are all there for testing.  Depends on how adventuresome you are.  You can look at the saucy section in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and see that no bugs are colored red, so at least there's nothing in there already marked verification failed.20:46
ScottKPersonally, I only install the specific thing I'm testing.20:46
Quintasan\o21:15
Quintasansoee: Please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/+bug/124643321:16
ubottuUbuntu bug 1246433 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU 0.4.1 to saucy" [Undecided,Fix committed]21:16
QuintasanIt works, now we need to get the formalities done.21:16
QuintasanScottK: Can you somehow push it through?21:16
QuintasanWait, you did21:23
Quintasannvm21:23
Quintasansoee: Just install kdeconnect-kde from proposode21:23
soeewhat Android version is required for KDE Connect 0.4.1 ?21:23
Quintasanprosposed*21:23
Quintasansoee: The application itself requires android 4.0+21:24
QuintasanThe notification plugin requires Android 4.321:24
QuintasanYou could have read that on Google Play though.21:24
soeehmm my S3 has atm 4.1.2 and i can see any devices found :/21:25
soee*cant21:25
QuintasanYou must be doing something wrong then21:26
soeeok sorry, Dolphin loads it21:26
QuintasanTry restarting KDE to make sure the KDE Connect deamon had reloaded.21:26
soeejust notifier doesnt work as you said\21:26
soeeok so i have to wait few days to be able to test notifier :) 21:27
QuintasanThat's expected since Android itself doesn't support it unless you have Android 4.321:27
soeetill samsung ships 4.321:27
soeebut im happy i can browse my phone from dolphin :)21:28
* ScottK doesn't see the difference.21:45
ScottKI can already browse the files on my phone with kio-mtp.21:45
ScottKWhy do I want kdeconnect?21:45
ScottKQuintasan: kdeconnect is totally broken as is, right?21:47
QuintasanScottK: If we don't SRU it will remain broken21:47
QuintasanIt's not only about browsing files21:48
QuintasanIt shows notfications from your phone21:48
ScottKRight, the reason I'm asking is I'm considering waiving the 7 day waiting period and pushing it to updates.21:48
QuintasanPauses/unpauses playback when someone calls you21:48
Quintasanshares clipboard and whatnot21:48
ScottKI see.21:48
ScottKWhat does it connect to that changed protocol?21:49
QuintasanKDE Connect daemon21:49
QuintasanThe android couterpart was updated in Google Play and it no longer works with the version we have.21:49
Quintasancounterpart*21:50
volkanRiddell: could you check what I wrote when u r free?21:56
eagles0513875hey guys can someone tell me what version of samba is in 14.0422:16
ScottKeagles0513875: That's not very related to Kubuntu development.  It'll change in any case.22:19
eagles0513875ScottK: reason im asking is that in current 12.04 and 13.10 they have a very old version compared to the latest.22:21
ScottKI understand it'll be updated "soon".22:21
eagles0513875thanks ScottK :) 22:38
ScottKI went ahead and released the kdeconnect-kde SRU early since it's broken as is.23:16
ScottKQuintasan: ^^^23:16
ScottKshadeslayer: Any word on OTR support for KDE telepathy?23:18
QuintasanScottK: Thanks!23:19
ScottKYW.  Now go beat the KDE telepathy people into providing some kind of OTR plugin like kopete has.23:19
d_edless beating, more providing patches.23:24
ScottKshadeslayer: ^^^ weren't you going to do that (provide patches)?23:25
* ScottK <-- doesn't do C++/Qt - mostly just packages, so no source of patches.23:28

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