[00:35] <xnox> hm, can JontheEchidna or somebody else look into merging k3b ? it's needed for the libav transition.
[00:38] <apachelogger> he's MIA
[00:38] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: can you make time for k3b tomorrow?
[00:38] <apachelogger> I am pretty booked with neon and phonon
[05:35] <leif_> greetings
[05:59] <leif_> :)
[07:35] <soee> good morning
[07:35] <leif_> morning
[07:41] <leif_> aah gues it is a study day
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:06] <leif_> greetings from denmark
[08:07] <lordievader> Hey leif_, how is Denmark today?
[08:07] <leif_> cold and raini
[08:07] <lordievader> Good weather to sit behind a computer ;)
[08:07] <leif_> yeah and study
[08:11] <leif_> geez i am geek
[08:11] <lordievader> leif_: You're in #kubuntu-devel, we all are ;)
[08:12] <leif_> watching news on zen sever 
[08:51] <Riddell> buenos dias
[08:52] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[08:52] <Riddell> parad1se: did you look at kde-runtime samba patch?
[08:52] <Riddell> lordievader: in early to the office means I get to play music loudly :)
[08:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I found my laptop cable thanks
[08:53] <lordievader> Riddell: Good reason to get into the office early.
[08:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: turns out jon is busy with http://xkcd.com/306/
[08:56] <Riddell> so I'll grab k3b today
[09:02] <parad1se> Riddell: Hi Ridell, yes I wrote yesterday about. OK I have to add it in the soure-list first. But the dpkg -i worked well (regardless of kde-runtime-dbg depencie problem). Now the remember function in Dolphin with kwallet works great!
[09:03] <parad1se> So far no problem detected.
[09:08] <Riddell> parad1se: great, I'll upload it to -proposed and I'll need your help at some point when it's accepted to test it and get it into -updates (which takes 1 week)
[09:08] <Riddell> ScottK: you rejected kdeconnect-kde? that's needed to make it work at all
[09:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Sigh.  It looked like tons of new features.  Let me look again.
[09:09] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah it probably is but it also fixes the important issue of the protocol update
[09:12] <Riddell> parad1se: could you add a test case to bug 1071453 ?
[09:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Accepted it.  Next time a changelog entry more verbose than SRU update would be nice.  If it'd said to fix package being completely broken due to server protocol update, then I'd have never rejected it.
[09:12] <Riddell> parad1se: describe how you test it before and after the update to make sure the problem is fixed
[09:12] <Riddell> ScottK: gotcha, thanks
[09:13]  * ScottK ponders if it's worth going to sleep at all with the alarm clock set for 2 hours and 15 minutes from now ....
[09:14] <valorie> ScottK: in my experience, 2.25 hours is better than none
[09:15] <Riddell> ScottK: listen to the shipping forcast like all the insomniacs
[09:15] <ScottK> Yeah.  Probably.
[09:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Reading #kubuntu-devel instead.
[09:15] <ScottK> ;-)
[09:17] <Riddell> the geek alternative to the World Service
[10:15] <parad1se> Riddell: OK, no problem. I will describe my test scenario.
[11:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)
[11:21] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1245542 also for SRU love
[11:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: able to test kdeconnect? bug 1246433
[11:27] <apachelogger> yofel: btw, I also saw a build failure with neon qt5, only on saucy and only on i386 and it went away on a retry
[11:27] <apachelogger> qmake is just terrible...
[11:59] <soee> 4.11.3 are pushed to saucy updates ?
[12:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)
[12:07] <Riddell> soee: in ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[12:09] <soee> Riddell, ah yes thank you
[12:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: regardinf the kdeconnect SRU what exactly do you need tested?
[12:20] <agateau> ola, I need some help with a packaging issue. Currently trying to get this patch in https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/libdbusmenu-qt/cmake-config/+merge/192895 , but the build failed because the *-config.cmake files are not in the -dev package. It should be easy to add them, but I am a bit worried that the target files are named "*-noconfig.cmake". Is it expected or should the package specify a build type?
[12:20] <soee> Riddell, kdeconect can be tested from proposed ?
[12:27] <debfx> agateau: I thought debhelper passes relwithdebinfo nowadays
[12:27] <agateau> debfx: maybe something is wrong with the packaging then, i haven't checked
[12:27] <debfx> either should be fine when you have the build flags in the *FLAGS variables
[12:28] <agateau> debfx: meaning it's ok if the files ends up with "-noconfig.cmake"?
[12:28] <debfx> yep
[12:29] <agateau> ok, thanks
[12:29] <debfx> hm, the package doesn't use the dh_auto_* commands
[12:30]  * agateau just heard the sound of the pandora box opening
[12:30] <debfx> imho it would be better to use them with different build dirs
[12:32] <debfx> for example: QT_SELECT=qt4 dh_auto_configure -Bqt4 -- -DUSE_QT4=true
[12:32] <agateau> would this involve a big refactor of the package?
[12:33] <debfx> no, just changing 6 lines in debian/rules
[12:35] <agateau> ok, going to read doc about dh_auto_configure, but that sounds like something which should be done outside of my patch, so I may end up just adding -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to the cmake calls
[12:35] <agateau> I assume the end result should be the same
[12:37] <soee> hmm what is jetty ?
[12:39] <Riddell> soee: yep
[12:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: can you install the kdeconnect-kde package from saucy-proposed and control your android phone with it using kdeconnect-android on the phone
[12:41] <debfx> agateau: this should work: http://pastebin.kde.org/pnm4d3ian
[12:42] <debfx> well, with that change you also get verbose build logs, actually passing dpkg-buildflags to cmake
[12:43] <agateau> debfx: sounds good to me
[12:44] <debfx> but I agree that should be a different merge request
[12:45] <agateau> ok, so I am going to try the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE approach first
[12:46] <agateau> thanks for your help!
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ping ping, we want to go to lunch
[13:21] <soee> should i care if when rebooting i see some lines and one of them is: # jetty is not installed ?
[13:21] <soee> *
[13:22] <ScottK> Riddell: You need to tag them verification-done after you test SRUs.  Then it'll become clear on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html that they are ready to be released.
[14:11] <allee> connect
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:39] <leif_> afternoon
[14:39] <BluesKaj> 'morning 
[14:40] <leif_> :)
[14:40] <leif_> those time zones
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yup :)
[14:40] <leif_> think i better get a couple of hours of reading done
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: good point
[15:12] <Riddell> leif, parad1se: hey new people could you also test muon from saucy-proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1250114
[15:21] <allee> Riddell: sausy SRU kdeconnect-kde <-> Nexus 4:  all fine execpt: clipboard sync only kubuntu->android, Battery not show on desktop, remote  multimedia control:  has short hangs when one quickly clicks the buttons (no regression, same as 0.3.1)
[15:22] <Riddell> allee: can you report that on the bug?
[15:22] <allee> Riddell: when home I can compare with 0.3 with 0.4.1
[15:22] <allee> okay.
[15:22] <Riddell> yeah that's the most useful bit
[15:27] <tester56> Riddell: Hi, I have noticed a weired issue: As I was testing Opensuse 13.1 (to see what they have to offer) I noticed  one weired thing: Dolphin is starting up quite a lot faster. I launched from konsole to see if there are any error messages: On Opensuse there are none, but on Kubuntu there are messages like "udisks2: property does not exist". Could that be the reason for the difference?
[15:28] <tester56> Riddell:btw: I am not planning to leave kubuntu ;-)
[15:28] <Riddell> :)
[15:28]  * Riddell has opensuse and fedora CDs to test
[15:28] <Riddell> tester56: I doubt that's the reason, some difference in udev isn't likely to make a speed difference
[15:29] <tester56> but on my machine the difference is noticeable
[15:29] <Riddell> yeah it would be interesting to work it out but I don't know I'm afraid
[15:29] <Riddell> if this was a decade ago I'd say something to do with pre-linking
[15:30] <tester56> Riddell: I am not sure if they use prelinking or not, but I think they don't use it anymore
[15:35] <tester56> Riddell: When I have time over the weekend I will look in that further and report back if you would be interested. 
[15:36] <Riddell> tester56: certainly would but I suspect it's something quite deep in the compiler
[15:37] <tester56> but basically both, kubuntu and opensuse use the same source (4.11.2)
[15:37] <tester56> you think compile flags can make a noticeable difference (if not debug)?
[15:38] <Riddell> easily
[15:38] <Riddell> or some other quite fundamental issue
[15:39] <allee> tester56: did you try with freshly created accounts?  Maybe # of files or time to query nepomuk may be the reason for the difference?
[15:39] <tester56> Riddell: But if both Opensuse and Kubuntu use the same version of kde, the same kernel version, and both don't use prelink, the only reason that would make sense is the error message. btw, fedora 20 kde does not have the error messages either (and dolphin starts their faster too) 
[15:39] <tester56> Riddell: of course not considering a deeper problem
[15:40] <tester56> allee: yes fresh accounts
[15:40] <Riddell> run kdebugdialog and turn on all the tickboxes, you'll get plenty of messages :)
[15:40] <tester56> allee: no nepomuk issue, as i monitored process with both top and iotop and it was quiet when i tested
[15:45] <allee> tester56: some time ago there was a blog post of a suse guy about making kde pkg less interdependent and get more speed.  Maybe you find dolphin mentione there???
[15:45] <tester56> allee: I don't know, as I don't know the blog post you are referring to 
[15:46] <Riddell> lubos lunak was into that
[15:46] <Riddell> search for his blog and akademy talk
[15:53] <apachelogger> if only there was a suite of tools to use for profiling applications
[16:03] <rdieter> allee: you're probably thinking of 'klyde' (from wstephensen/opensuse)
[16:05] <allee> rdieter: yes, that sounds familar.  
[16:06] <tester56> allee: that was not about speeding up things, that was about a special packaing approach to make certain things optional
[16:41] <allee> tester56: yes, but I assumed if you don't use all features, remaining stuff may run faster
[16:42] <tester56> allee; yeah true, but I mean it is not a direct speedup, only a speedup for  computers with limited ressources
[16:52] <Riddell> parad1se: don't forget the test case for that samba patch
[16:52] <Riddell> bug 1071453
[16:52]  * Riddell out
[17:39] <jussi> anyone here from munich?  or know munich? 
[17:39] <jussi> need a restaurant recommendation...
[17:39] <Riddell> try wikivoyage?
[17:43] <tester56> I wonder if it is possible to change drag and drop icons (by that I mean changing them in an icon theme)
[17:43] <ScottK> That'd be an upstream question.  We don't customize those.
[19:54] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)
[20:25] <volkan> Hi all, for the 14.04 version do you plan to change the view of website?
[20:25] <volkan> For Turkish version, I am planning to use this: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/
[20:25] <volkan> basically uses bootstrap, jquery and lightbox for image viewing
[20:25] <volkan> they are all open
[20:26] <volkan> also place a link to forward into main site (as in Libreoffice.org)
[20:30] <soee> Riddell, any progress with KDEConnect ?
[20:42] <ScottK> soee: IIRC waiting for testers.
[20:43] <soee> ah ye, i forgot
[20:43] <soee> will test now
[20:44] <soee> ScottK, can i install all updates from proposed ?
[20:46] <ScottK> soee: They are all there for testing.  Depends on how adventuresome you are.  You can look at the saucy section in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and see that no bugs are colored red, so at least there's nothing in there already marked verification failed.
[20:46] <ScottK> Personally, I only install the specific thing I'm testing.
[21:15] <Quintasan> \o
[21:16] <Quintasan> soee: Please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/+bug/1246433
[21:16] <Quintasan> It works, now we need to get the formalities done.
[21:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you somehow push it through?
[21:23] <Quintasan> Wait, you did
[21:23] <Quintasan> nvm
[21:23] <Quintasan> soee: Just install kdeconnect-kde from proposode
[21:23] <soee> what Android version is required for KDE Connect 0.4.1 ?
[21:23] <Quintasan> prosposed*
[21:24] <Quintasan> soee: The application itself requires android 4.0+
[21:24] <Quintasan> The notification plugin requires Android 4.3
[21:24] <Quintasan> You could have read that on Google Play though.
[21:25] <soee> hmm my S3 has atm 4.1.2 and i can see any devices found :/
[21:25] <soee> *cant
[21:26] <Quintasan> You must be doing something wrong then
[21:26] <soee> ok sorry, Dolphin loads it
[21:26] <Quintasan> Try restarting KDE to make sure the KDE Connect deamon had reloaded.
[21:26] <soee> just notifier doesnt work as you said\
[21:27] <soee> ok so i have to wait few days to be able to test notifier :) 
[21:27] <Quintasan> That's expected since Android itself doesn't support it unless you have Android 4.3
[21:27] <soee> till samsung ships 4.3
[21:28] <soee> but im happy i can browse my phone from dolphin :)
[21:45]  * ScottK doesn't see the difference.
[21:45] <ScottK> I can already browse the files on my phone with kio-mtp.
[21:45] <ScottK> Why do I want kdeconnect?
[21:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: kdeconnect is totally broken as is, right?
[21:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: If we don't SRU it will remain broken
[21:48] <Quintasan> It's not only about browsing files
[21:48] <Quintasan> It shows notfications from your phone
[21:48] <ScottK> Right, the reason I'm asking is I'm considering waiving the 7 day waiting period and pushing it to updates.
[21:48] <Quintasan> Pauses/unpauses playback when someone calls you
[21:48] <Quintasan> shares clipboard and whatnot
[21:48] <ScottK> I see.
[21:49] <ScottK> What does it connect to that changed protocol?
[21:49] <Quintasan> KDE Connect daemon
[21:49] <Quintasan> The android couterpart was updated in Google Play and it no longer works with the version we have.
[21:50] <Quintasan> counterpart*
[21:56] <volkan> Riddell: could you check what I wrote when u r free?
[22:16] <eagles0513875> hey guys can someone tell me what version of samba is in 14.04
[22:19] <ScottK> eagles0513875: That's not very related to Kubuntu development.  It'll change in any case.
[22:21] <eagles0513875> ScottK: reason im asking is that in current 12.04 and 13.10 they have a very old version compared to the latest.
[22:21] <ScottK> I understand it'll be updated "soon".
[22:38] <eagles0513875> thanks ScottK :) 
[23:16] <ScottK> I went ahead and released the kdeconnect-kde SRU early since it's broken as is.
[23:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^
[23:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Any word on OTR support for KDE telepathy?
[23:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks!
[23:19] <ScottK> YW.  Now go beat the KDE telepathy people into providing some kind of OTR plugin like kopete has.
[23:24] <d_ed> less beating, more providing patches.
[23:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ weren't you going to do that (provide patches)?
[23:28]  * ScottK <-- doesn't do C++/Qt - mostly just packages, so no source of patches.