[02:12] <shakes808> Good evening all
[02:13] <rick_h_> party
[02:13] <shakes808> had a question about the cloud computing stuff.  Anyone use it?
[02:13] <waf> yep. people do.
[02:13] <waf> :P
[02:13] <shakes808> haha
[02:13] <shakes808> do you people do?
[02:13] <waf> i've used EC2 and azure
[02:14] <shakes808> I am looking at Cloud 9
[02:14] <waf> oh, the IDE? i've not much experience with that
[02:14] <waf> i think i imported a github repo into it, that was kind of cool
[02:14] <shakes808> I have been trying to find a community area for it.
[02:15] <shakes808> Yeah, I am looking into that. I logged in via Github and trying to do some simple stuff, but isn't working for me
[02:16] <shakes808> The cookie cutter "Hello World" stuff works
[02:16] <shakes808> but when I tried to do some Python web stuff, it didn't seem to work.
[02:16] <waf> like this sort of thing? http://support.cloud9ide.com/forums/20335288-Questions-Answers
[02:17] <shakes808> unless, most case it is me, I did something wrong... but can't find any where to find people
[02:17] <shakes808> I did see their forums
[02:17] <shakes808> but there is supposed to be a way to have people in the Cloud 9 community come into your project and do a collabedit type thing
[02:24] <waf> maybe try asking in #cloud9ide
[02:25] <shakes808> I went there and tried a bunch of others, no one was there. Will try again.
[02:26] <shakes808> .... :| maybe didn't load properly when I went there the first time.
[02:26] <shakes808> ty
[02:26] <shakes808> :D
[02:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, updated with ping support and loading existing bookmark data.
[02:39] <rick_h_> widox_: ^^
[03:31] <rick_h_> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bookie/
[03:33] <greg-g> rick_h_: sweet
[03:33] <greg-g> just bmark.us'd the addon page :)
[03:33] <rick_h_> lmorchard|away: come on, you know you want to check it out :P
[03:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: very cool!
[03:34] <rick_h_> greg-g: thank waf and widox_ for getting it going. I owe them beverages.
[03:34] <waf> i think i was already paid in pizza, so you can give widox_ an extra :)
[03:34] <rick_h_> lol
[03:35] <greg-g> waf: widox_ thanks guys :)
[03:35] <rick_h_> well, it's a start. I'm not sure how to sync/track bookmarks still.
[03:35] <rick_h_> and no tag widget, just a textbox with spaces
[03:35] <rick_h_> or delete, or ... *sigh*
[03:37] <rick_h_> anyway, part on. Will hack some more at MUG tomorrow.
[03:37] <rick_h_> party on that is
[03:48] <greg-g> :)
[03:49] <greg-g> hmm, it stopped working :/
[03:59] <jrwren> cloud?!?!?
[03:59] <jrwren> zomg shakes808 asks about clouds?!?!
[03:59] <jrwren> shakes808: yes, that is what we do :)
[04:15] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2013/11/11/open-metalcast-84-the-wave-of-the-voyage/
[12:21] <rick_h_> greg-g: hmm, stopped working how?
[12:22] <rick_h_> morning and all that
[12:43] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:38] <jjesse> morning cmaloney
[13:57] <jrwren> whew, that was a huge SEMJS
[13:57] <jrwren> almost 90 attendees even with the snow.
[13:58] <brousch> SE MI Javascript?
[13:58] <jrwren> yes.
[13:58] <brousch> lucky guess
[13:58] <jrwren> formerly known as blazix was there :)
[13:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: hah, cool
[13:58] <rick_h_> everyone all sold on emberjs now?
[14:00] <jrwren> i don't know.
[14:00] <jrwren> i tried ember a while back. i tried to give it 2hrs or so of learning and there were just too many walls.
[14:00] <jrwren> this cleared some things up.
[14:00] <rick_h_> yea, it's a beast of a thing
[14:01] <jrwren> someone said its less magic than angular, which I found surprising
[14:01] <brousch> I thought angular is the answer
[14:01] <rick_h_> yea, angular is all magic imo. Rails magic in JS land
[14:01] <jrwren> i see.
[14:01] <jrwren> so I know some guys who love angular
[14:01] <jrwren> but I also know some guys who love ember.
[14:02] <jrwren> i have no care either way.
[14:02] <brousch> pick a side!\
[14:08] <jrwren> never.
[14:08] <rick_h_> hate everything!
[14:08] <jrwren> never.
[14:08] <jrwren> well, definitely
[14:08] <jrwren> but, this is different. I do not work in that world.
[14:10] <rick_h_> woot, wheels are out for delivery. Come on snow tires
[14:24] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:25] <cmaloney> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/Tr3BK6Z3XS5qX3YZaEm8/ <- huh huh huh huh
[14:26] <rick_h_> long live the nook...I mean it's all over nook
[14:28] <cmaloney> Actually it was a subscription to the Economist that I barely got 10 pages from the Table of Contents in any issue.
[14:28] <cmaloney> Love the magazine, but have no time to sit and process it
[14:31] <rick_h_> heh
[14:35] <jrwren> rick_h_: you swap the tires yourself?
[14:36] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, just had to order special wheels. Will take in friday to get things mounted, balanced, and I'm having htem store the summer tires for me
[14:38] <jrwren> cool
[14:38] <rick_h_> I like things nice and smooth and don't have the stuff to do wheel balancing/etc here
[14:38] <rick_h_> now if I had a real shop..maybe
[15:01] <jrwren> yeah, I wondered.
[15:01] <jrwren> i guess and annual balance is a good idea.
[15:01] <jrwren> if you did it at home, my next question was, do you have an impact wrench? :)
[15:02] <rick_h_> well the touareg is really finicky with that. I'm actually nervous as I had issue when I got it new
[15:02] <rick_h_> heh, no, thought about it, but not gotten one yet. With the trailer though I might get one next summer
[16:31] <greg-g> rick_h_: when I clicked the icon on thebottom bar, nothing happened (whereas before it brought up the save dialog)
[16:31] <greg-g> g'morning all
[16:32] <rick_h_> greg-g: :( ok. hate to ask this but restart FF and it still does it?
[16:32]  * rick_h_ makes a note to check error conditions, etc. 
[16:33] <greg-g> gimme a minute, that's like restarting one's computer ;)
[16:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: welcome alpha tester!
[16:33] <greg-g> I love alpha testings
[16:33] <greg-g> -s
[16:44] <cmaloney> I'm pretty much coonvinced the VW is going to be almost 100% dealer-serviced.
[16:45] <cmaloney> save for collision work.
[16:45] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, well not for wheels!
[16:46] <rick_h_> cmaloney: they gave me a heart attack when I tried to order wheels from them
[16:46] <rick_h_> cmaloney: but agree with you. Not going to risk taking the thing some places that doesn't have lots of experience with them. They're just different enough
[16:47] <greg-g> you should live somewhere other than Michigan, non-Michigan cars are known entities elsewhere ;)
[16:47] <greg-g> (I kid! I miss Michigan soooo much)
[16:47] <greg-g> or Minnesota, or Wisconsin, one of the great lakes states
[16:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I felt special with the subaru until we'd go to VA and see them all over there
[16:48] <greg-g> or just Ann Arbor, really :)
[16:48] <rick_h_> :P
[16:51] <greg-g> ugh, loud coffee shop is loud
[16:52] <rick_h_> greg-g: :( peets was like that yesterday. Mad I forgot headphones
[16:53] <cmaloney> greg-g: Yeah, well I wouldn't trust some of these grease-monkeys to know the difference between imperial and metric
[16:54] <cmaloney> and try their damndest to do on-the-fly conversion
[16:54] <cmaloney> aka strip the bolt to make it fit.
[16:54] <greg-g> again, ann arbor :)
[16:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, in Ann Arbor every mechanic has a masters in engineering
[16:56] <cmaloney> :-P
[16:56] <rick_h_> oooh, ouch
[16:56] <cmaloney> (and they still can't do metric conversions. ;))
[16:57] <greg-g> 'tis true, the job market sucks ;)
[16:58]  * rick_h_ runs when my mechanic breaks out an HP calculator
[16:59] <greg-g> TI4LIF!
[17:10] <rick_h_> heh, just paid a bill and noticed it was 11/12/13
[17:10] <greg-g> yep :) make a wish
[17:12] <rick_h_> wahoo I use 8% more electricity than my neighbors
[17:12] <rick_h_> thanks DTE, that's need to know info
[17:16] <greg-g> shamming into conservation, usually works
[17:17] <rick_h_> ah, I just excuse myself. I work from home, have a bunch of computer equipment, I'd guess my 8% neighborhood hit is less than an office and pay my bill :)
[17:18] <greg-g> :)
[17:30] <cmaloney> I fear for the guy that lives next to the neighborhood server room
[17:31] <cmaloney> "You use .001% of the electricity as the guy down the street that thinks he's running Google from a stack of 486s"
[17:33] <cmaloney> "you know, the guy who got the DEA to bust down his door because they thought he was growing weed."
[17:34] <cmaloney> "They couldn't stop laughing when they saw the tower of liquid-cooled Packard Bell machines".
[17:34]  * greg-g looks shifty-eyed
[17:35] <cmaloney> greg-g: You live in California. They'd probably cite you for not using electricity to grow weed. ;)
[17:35] <cmaloney> and then give you a citation for not growing it organically
[17:35] <greg-g> one county up (Mendocino) and yeah, just about
[17:36] <greg-g> it's where all the good weed comes from (so I'm told)
[17:37] <cmaloney> cool story bro
[17:37] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:38]  * greg-g looks shifty-eyed again
[17:38] <cmaloney> Just set up a server room and it'll be alright.
[17:39] <cmaloney> "It's my hydroponic organic  beowulf cluster"
[17:39] <greg-g> only turn it on when the feds come knocking? ('cuz the local guys don't care, given growing/possessing is legel here)
[17:39] <greg-g> haha, yes
[19:29] <waf> just got an unsolicited email from a recruiter titled "BOOM permanent developer position for you!!" asking for my resume as a microsoft word file.
[19:29] <greg-g> haha
[19:29] <waf> as i'm sure you suspect, i'm madly scrambling to convert my latex resume to docx.
[19:30] <greg-g> is boom company or "BOOM!" onomatopiea
[19:30] <waf> onomatopiea. it's a recruiting company with many different java developer opportunities.
[19:31] <greg-g> heh
[19:31] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I'd want to deal with a company that thinks the word "BOOM!" is a good thing for software development
[19:32] <greg-g> oh man guys
[19:32] <greg-g> so, if a chinese user edits a page on zh.wikipedia.org that ends in ".exe" the GFW badly proxies it and gives them an error
[19:32] <greg-g> ie: they end up here: http://60.13.74.166:83/1Q2W3E4R5T6Y7U8I9O0P1Z2X3C4V5B/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe
[19:32] <cmaloney> Wow
[19:32] <greg-g> that ip isn't ours, that's the Hainan province ISP's ip
[19:33] <greg-g> a chinese user can edit en.wikipedia.org urls that end in .exe though
[19:33] <greg-g> bad GFW regex somewhere
[19:33] <greg-g> the GFW wants to filter er, mitm, any .exe downloads, apparently
[19:33] <cmaloney> I'm surprised there's a wikipedia page format that allows .exe
[19:33] <greg-g> yeah, we're pretty lax
[19:34] <greg-g> https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TESTPAGE.exe
[19:34] <cmaloney> That said the way Microsoft can turn just about any three letter extension into an executable it's probably better to just disallow extensions
[19:34] <cmaloney> but that likely == breaky breaky
[19:35] <cmaloney> Does it do the same for .pif?
[19:35] <greg-g> they're just HTML pages, so the php sends the right mimetype to the user (html) not eg: exe
[19:35] <greg-g> the apache server, whatever
[19:36] <cmaloney> nope.
[19:36] <greg-g> would work, apparenty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TESTPAGE.pif
[19:36] <cmaloney> .pif doesn't have the same page.
[19:36] <greg-g> well, the account doesn't exist
[19:37] <cmaloney> Right
[19:37] <greg-g> you can register cmaloney.pif if you want :)
[19:37] <greg-g> well, it'd be Cmaloney.pif (first letter upper case requirement :/ )
[19:37] <cmaloney> This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
[19:37] <cmaloney> 19:33, 12 November 2013 Nick (talk | contribs) deleted page User:TESTPAGE.exe (G2: Test page)
[19:37] <greg-g> heh, yeah, not leaving around test pages I guess
[19:37] <greg-g> deletionists
[19:37] <greg-g> :)
[19:37] <cmaloney> revisionist. ;)
[19:38] <greg-g> wikipedians are ALL revisionists ;)
[19:39] <greg-g> bbiab, lunch
[19:39] <cmaloney> lunchionist
[19:42] <jrwren> cmaloney: you hate over compression on recent audio releases, right?
[19:42] <jcastro> cmaloney, heya
[19:43] <jcastro> we have nbested categories now
[19:43] <jcastro> just waiting for the domain now
[19:43] <jrwren> cmaloney: give Celldweller - Birthright from Wish Upon A Blackstar a listen and tell me abou tit.
[19:43] <jcastro> we'll probably go live in a week
[19:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, I'm not a fan of compression
[19:56] <cmaloney> jcastro: orly? On Discourse?
[19:57] <jcastro> ya
[19:57] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm actually thinking of re-buying Carcass' Swansong because it's now in a Full Dynamic Range edition
[19:57] <cmaloney> http://earache.bandcamp.com/album/swansong-full-dynamic-range-edition
[19:57] <jrwren> nice.
[19:57] <cmaloney> Bought the Mp3s a while back, but it's a fucking great album that deserves some class-A treatment.
[19:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: God, Klayton really lost his way
[19:59] <cmaloney> Could also be Youtube compression, but yikes
[19:59] <cmaloney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPCLR8-Aeo
[20:01] <cmaloney> I'm kinda glad I didn't go overboard on the pre-order
[20:01] <cmaloney> THing is it's not a bad song
[20:02] <cmaloney> But all the power gets neutered
[20:03] <jrwren> cmaloney: agree.  poor Klayton
[20:04] <jrwren> yeah, i haven't listened to this album in a while but that track in particular the compression was insanely noticible
[20:04] <jrwren> its like the producer didn't even listen to it.
[20:04] <jrwren> its sad because I think it would be a lot better if done differently
[20:05] <cmaloney> Did he produce it? He's been notorious for being an extreme DIY when it comes to his sound.
[20:05] <jrwren> yes, I think he did.
[20:06] <jrwren> he put out a whole making of bonus CD
[20:06] <jrwren> it really focusses on 2 of the tracks.
[20:06] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_Upon_a_Blackstar#Personnel
[20:06] <cmaloney> The Celldweller Detroit Mass Choir - additional vocals on "It Makes No Difference Who We Are"
[20:10] <jrwren> what does that even mean?
[20:11] <cmaloney> I think he got some locals together
[20:11] <cmaloney> jcastro: http://ubuntu-discourse.org/category/local-teams/ubuntu-michigan <- Our Forum Link points to the proper discourse spot
[20:14] <greg-g> what is this?
[20:20] <cmaloney> It's a new forum.
[20:21] <cmaloney> God, I'd love to know how I can fuck up posting podcasts. ;)
[20:21] <cmaloney> (pretty well, apparently)
[20:23] <jcastro> cmaloney, it's going to be discourse.ubuntu.com/blah
[20:23] <jcastro> but we'll have rewrites
[20:23] <jcastro> http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/should-updates-to-subcategories-be-shown-in-the-latest-stream/1173
[20:23] <jcastro> IMO we should have them fix this ^^^
[20:24] <cmaloney> jcastro: OK, LMK when it changes and I'll update the link
[20:25] <jcastro> yeah
[20:25] <cmaloney> Funny enough, the last link for our forum was to the mailing list.
[20:25] <cmaloney> also: Apparently feedburner will let you update other folks feeds.
[20:26] <cmaloney> ie: I had a metal injection post that had the wrong episode
[20:26] <cmaloney> but apparently I can "ping" it
[20:26] <cmaloney> and update the feed, even though I don't own it.
[23:37] <rick_h_> go waf go
[23:42] <cmaloney> w00t!