[05:23] <Kilos> morning Squirm and other peeps
[05:34] <Squirm> hii
[05:35] <nlsthzn> swoop swoop swoop swoop
[05:40] <Kilos> wassup nlsthzn 
[05:40] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[05:41] <SilverCode> morning
[05:42] <nlsthzn> goeie more Suid Afrika :D
[05:42] <Kilos> haha :D
[05:43]  * Kilos needs to learn to hack .exe files
[05:44] <nlsthzn> reverse engineering... a dark art ...
[05:45] <Kilos> listen to my reasoning nlsthzn 
[05:45] <Kilos> my old modem never times out but the e220 does , so it cant be any settings in the pc can it?
[05:46] <Kilos> must be in the modem itself
[05:46] <nlsthzn> it can always be software related... one modem := another modem...
[05:47] <nlsthzn> but I am not sure what an exe has to do with it ?
[05:47] <Kilos> so if i can get to edit the thing i sould find a tiemout = "10" or something
[05:47] <Kilos> thats how one installs the modem firmware
[05:50] <Kilos> or maybe its in the mobilepartner software
[05:50] <nlsthzn> there must be someone in the vicinity with a windows pc that can flash the firmwear for you surely?!
[05:50] <Kilos> im sure my pc dont like timeouts
[05:50] <Kilos> i have flashed it a few times
[05:51] <Kilos> wen from vmc software to mobilepartner and back a few times
[05:51] <Kilos> went
[05:51] <Kilos> i have win7 on other pc 
[05:51] <Kilos> and xp here
[05:52] <Kilos> its so lekker fast that modem
[05:52]  * nlsthzn doesn't know all the details and doesn't understand... but that is ok because that is normal...
[05:53] <Kilos> maybe i should run it online in win and see if it timesout there too
[05:54] <Kilos> im just asking to see if my logic is logical
[05:54] <Kilos> hehe
[05:55] <Kilos> if it times out on win too then its the modems software right?
[05:59] <bduk1> More almal
[05:59] <Kilos> more bduk1 
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:34] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:37] <Cantide> good morning~
[06:39] <Kilos> ohi Cantide wb
[06:40] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[06:40] <Cantide> ty
[06:40] <Cantide> how goes it?
[06:41] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:44] <nlsthzn> walala wasala
[06:46] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:47] <Kilos> ai! nlsthzn what does that mean
[06:47] <nlsthzn> you snooze you loose
[06:47] <nlsthzn> afaik :p
[06:48] <Kilos> in what language
[06:48] <Kilos> lala is sleep in black languages here
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:32] <Kilos> inetpro, morning what does this mean and in which taal walala wasala
[07:33] <inetpro> good morning
[07:33] <inetpro> Kilos: Zulu as far as I am aware
[07:33] <Kilos> ty sir
[07:33] <inetpro> means if you sleep you loose out
[07:34] <inetpro> or more directly, if you sleep you stay behind
[07:34] <Kilos> so neelsie still has some za in him. not all ahabfide
[07:35] <Kilos> 2.5mm rain sigh
[07:35] <inetpro> hmm... I forgot to check
[07:35] <Kilos> all that storming and power offs
[07:48] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:00] <smile> hi :D
[08:08] <Kilos> hi smile wb
[08:09] <smile> Hi, thanks :)
[08:09] <Kilos> whats happening with you?
[08:09] <smile> (I think) my exams went well :)
[08:09] <Kilos> you finished?
[08:09] <smile> And now I'm enjoying my short vacation of 4 days :p
[08:09] <Kilos> great
[08:09] <Kilos> then what?
[08:09] <smile> yes :) not quite there yet, it's my first year, first period :p
[08:10] <smile> i have three years with 4 periods each ;)
[08:10] <smile> for each season one ;
[08:10] <smile> ):D
[08:10] <Kilos> whew
[08:10] <smile> tomorrow back to school! :)
[08:10] <Kilos> study hard
[08:10] <smile> yeah :)
[08:10] <smile> I'm fine, I saw my girlfriend yesterday :)
[08:10] <smile> How are you? :)
[08:10] <Kilos> haha
[08:11] <Kilos> good ty
[08:12] <smile> :DD
[08:13] <smile> Have you seen my new (small school project) website? :D www.hugsmile/baby/
[08:13] <smile> ;)
[08:13] <smile> probably should have typed http too ;) http://www.hugsmile.eu/baby/
[08:16] <Kilos> haha you selling knitted babys stuff?
[08:17] <Kilos> who does the knitting
[08:17] <smile> no one :D
[08:18] <smile> that's the funny thing about it ;)
[08:18] <smile> it doesn't work at all. But that was the goal - just making a static site - nothing should be working ;)
[08:18] <Kilos> ah
[08:19] <smile> otherwise I would need a database :)
[08:19] <smile> and they don't want me to use one
[08:19] <smile> so ;)
[08:19] <Kilos> is it a free site you made like that
[08:21] <smile> no :) I've written all the code myself :)
[08:21] <smile> no copy-pasting involved
[08:21] <smile> :)
[08:22] <smile> CTRL U will show the source code
[08:22] <smile> :)
[08:32] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[08:33]  * smile hugs Kilos :D
[08:33] <Kilos> haha ty
[08:33] <Kilos> you need to explain to me what that does
[08:34] <Kilos> where is your site? on a host somewhere?
[08:36] <Kilos> or does it run from your pc?
[08:42] <Kilos> smile, ^^
[08:43] <smile> Kilos: it runs from a mediawax.be server ;)
[08:43] <smile> which is a hosting company :)
[08:43] <smile> so my site is on the internet :)
[08:44] <Kilos> aha
[08:46] <Kilos> lol i dont understand how you can offer stuff for sale that isnt there to sell 
[08:46] <smile> my site consists of HTML (content & semantics), CSS (style) and JavaScript (behaviour) :)
[08:46] <smile> just saying "OK" when nothing has happened at all :DD
[08:47] <Kilos> what made you choose baby stuff anyway
[08:47] <smile> We needed to choose between three projects :)
[08:47] <Kilos> ah
[08:47] <smile> and this seemed okay :) not too hard, not too easy
[08:47] <smile> :)
[08:47] <Kilos> i thought maybe you pregnant and broody
[08:47] <Kilos> hehe
[08:48] <smile> Not quite
[08:48] <smile> ;)
[08:57] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[08:57] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[08:57] <superfly> hi Kilos, henkj
[08:57] <superfly> henkj: do you know about AfricaCom?
[08:58] <henkj> superfly: no?
[08:58] <superfly> henkj: ok, no worries
[08:59] <henkj> superfly: happening at the cticc now?
[09:00] <superfly> yes
[09:00] <superfly> we have half a stand ;-)
[09:02] <henkj> superfly: nice
[09:36] <Kilos> hi psyatw magespawn 
[09:36] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:36] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[09:54] <magespawn> hi Kilos psyatw 
[09:55] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:59] <Kilos> heres a site with cheaper pc stuff i think
[09:59] <Kilos> http://www.omega-africa.com/
[10:03] <Kilos> i dunno how you see prices there, i mailed jaco for a pricelist. very friendly guy
[10:15] <magespawn> i see we are playing that game today
[10:15] <Kilos> what game?
[10:16] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:16] <nlsthzn> connect / disconnect / connect / disconnect
[10:16] <nlsthzn> :p
[10:16] <Kilos> wow no tail
[10:16] <Kilos> ya shame poor maia has a bad connection there
[10:17] <charl> good morning
[10:17] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:17] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[10:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:17] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:17] <psyatw> hi nlsthzn
[10:17] <psyatw> hahaha
[10:17] <charl> hi psyatw 
[10:17] <nlsthzn> alo all
[10:18] <smile> hi psyatw & charl & nlsthzn :)
[10:18] <Kilos> wb maiatoday your connection is very sick
[10:18] <psyatw> hi smile :)
[10:18] <smile> :)
[10:20] <magespawn> has any one used pdftk?
[10:20]  * nlsthzn is busy getting ready to run a benchmark on this desktop that might melt the GPU :)
[10:20] <smile> nlsthzn: be careful ;)
[10:20] <charl> hey magespawn 
[10:20] <charl> you're scarch these days
[10:20] <charl> hi smile 
[10:21] <smile> magespawn: no, what's that? :D
[10:21] <Kilos> hi tal0n 
[10:21] <charl> smile: you've been scarce too, how's it going
[10:21] <smile> charl: yeah, I'm sorry ;)
[10:21] <tal0n> Hi Kilos
[10:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:21] <tal0n> And everyone else
[10:21] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:21] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[10:21] <smile> I studied hard for my exams, which I passed (I think, the final results are forthcoming)
[10:21] <charl> hi tal0n 
[10:21] <nlsthzn> congrats then
[10:21] <smile> thank you :DD
[10:22] <charl> smile: sounds good though! holding thumbs!
[10:22] <smile> I have a subject which is called network architecture :) I passed it with 1% margin ;)
[10:22] <nlsthzn> more than a pass is too much
[10:22] <magespawn> Maaz am i here?
[10:22] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[10:23] <charl> smile: that happened to me too some times, i've been a lazy student
[10:24] <smile> charl: it was very hard, so I was happy :D
[10:25] <magespawn> howdy all, hopefully i am here now
[10:25] <Kilos> ya
[10:25] <Kilos> what happened
[10:25] <Kilos> the bot saw you
[10:26] <Kilos> magespawn, ping
[10:26] <magespawn> Kilos, pong
[10:26] <Kilos> how come you asking are you here?
[10:26] <magespawn> not sure the one machine seems to have a flaky network connection
[10:26] <magespawn> i was not getting any replies
[10:26] <Kilos> ah
[10:27] <Kilos> ai!
[10:28] <Kilos> oh my even symmetria died
[10:28] <Kilos> pickled head from the expensive whisky
[10:28] <magespawn> lol
[10:29] <Kilos> i dunno how peeps can drink that stuff. the smell alone makes me wanna puke
[10:31] <magespawn> i like it, but only small amounts at a time, two tots would last the evening
[10:31] <Kilos> eeeek
[10:32] <Kilos> you ask peeps that drink it how they can and they tell you its an aquired taste
[10:32] <Kilos> yuck
[10:32] <Kilos> if you can aquire a liking for that you can aqurie a taste for dog droppings too
[10:33] <Kilos> sis
[10:34] <confluency> I think whiskey tastes like wood varnish. Last time I tried some it was like licking antique furniture. ;)
[10:34] <Kilos> i can understand liking bacardi or old brown but not that stuff
[10:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:34] <charl> smile: in your case, it was hard, in my case, i was just lazy :P
[10:34] <charl> smile: but congratulations on a job well done !
[10:34] <confluency> The only hard liquor I tolerate is vodka, and i recently discovered that I'm a vodka snob.
[10:34] <smile> charl: that's an option too :p
[10:34] <smile> thank you :)
[10:34] <smile> I had programming the same day
[10:34] <smile> I didn't do anything for that
[10:34] <confluency> If it has "Russian" in the name it is almost certainly 1) not actually Russian and 2) repulsive.
[10:35] <charl> smile: yeah well programming is a thing that you either can or can't, not something that you have to cram for
[10:36] <smile> charl: unless you need to learn a new language very quick, of course :)
[10:36] <Kilos> confluency, have you tried bacardi?
[10:36] <confluency> I don't think that's necessarily true. Putting effort into learning can improve any skill.
[10:36] <charl> smile: yeah perhaps, although most languages are very similar, just an issue of syntax
[10:36] <charl> smile: the other day i was doing ruby for the first time in years - it looks _so_ much like python
[10:36] <confluency> There's a persistent believe that some people are "just good" at stuff like maths and computers and if you're not one of those people you're just screwed. I think that's mythology.
[10:36] <charl> smile: most of it you can learn just by knowing some basics and hitting up google (mostly stack overflow posts)
[10:36] <confluency> Kilos: nope.
[10:37] <Kilos> very lekker with coke
[10:37] <Kilos> like colddrink with a kick
[10:37] <confluency> Uh, s/believe/belief/I need some caffeine
[10:37] <smile> charl: that's so cool about it :DD
[10:40] <charl> smile: i very often pick programming language purely for one reason - to use existing library code that was written in that language
[10:40] <charl> smile: years ago i wanted to use a library called nokogiri to do some html "scraping" and i built a little REST/JSON webservice around it in Rails just to deploy it on Heroku
[10:41] <charl> smile: that's why i like not being married to one particular programming language and being able to "shop around" a little
[10:42] <charl> confluency: when i was studying computer science at school i learned that a) some people have a natural gift to it b) some people can learn stuff by just working harder and c) some people should give up on it
[10:42] <charl> confluency: that could have a lot to do with the type of person and actual interest in the subject though
[10:43] <smile> charl: I won't work harder, I'll just go to bed
[10:43] <smile> ;)
[10:43] <confluency> I think it's valid to give up on it if you're just not interested in it or don't like it. But I think people can easily be miscategorized as c when they're actually b, by others or by themselves.
[10:44] <confluency> You can also start disliking something because you think you're no good at it, so you're always frustrated and demoralized when you try it.
[10:46] <confluency> I recently read an interesting article related to this: http://qz.com/139453/theres-one-key-difference-between-kids-who-excel-at-math-and-those-who-dont/
[10:51] <charl> confluency: that's mostly true except that still does not say that anyone has the ability to be good at anything
[10:52] <charl> confluency: different people are different, and that's also a good thing because you need all sorts of people to do different things in life
[10:52] <charl> confluency: if we were all the same we would all be good at some things and suck at other things
[10:52] <charl> confluency: who would pick up on the things we suck at then
[10:52] <smile> interesting, confluency :)
[10:53] <confluency> Yes, I don't think anyone is disputing that. But it's easy to use a sweeping "separate but equal" argument to try to disguise failings in education as some kind of intrinsic difference in natural talent.
[10:54] <charl> meh, i fail at education and that's mostly complete apathy on my part
[10:54] <charl> :P
[10:54] <charl> reading the article now, quite interesting indeed
[10:55] <Kilos> hi Spacefing welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:56] <charl> ooh this is also good http://qz.com/142108/chinese-students-try-to-explain-to-american-students-why-they-dont-party/
[10:56] <charl> i'm gonna save this and watch the youtube videos later
[12:30] <charl> hmmm running mac osx lion inside vmware and working pretty well
[12:30] <charl> on a debian host on a dell optiplex
[12:30] <charl> only thing that doesn't work is copy-and-paste between host and guest
[12:30] <charl> clipboard sharing doesn't seem to work
[12:31] <charl> hi DarkSurferZA 
[12:31] <DarkSurferZA> Hi
[12:31] <Kilos> hi DarkSurferZA 
[12:31] <DarkSurferZA> Yo kilos
[12:32] <Kilos> you dont have tab complete on your irc client?
[12:32] <Kilos> sorts caps and comletes nicks
[12:33] <inetpro> Kilos: you are way too observant :-)
[12:33] <Kilos> just type in first 3 letters and hit tab
[12:33] <DarkSurferZA> Soz Kilos, my bad. Bluetooth keyboard, misbehaves sometimes
[12:33] <Kilos> hehe
[12:33] <DarkSurferZA> Especially my space bar key
[12:33] <Kilos> np
[12:34] <Kilos> whats faulty the kb or the bluetooth
[12:34] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: buetooth keyboard? Ooh nice!
[12:34] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: you using a mobile device?
[12:34] <mazal> Afternoon everyone
[12:35] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[12:35] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[12:35] <DarkSurferZA> Kb is crappy. Its a mobile device so the keys arent in convenient locations. Sometimes miss a key, or doesnt register the side of the key as a keypress
[12:35] <Kilos> lekker dankie en jy
[12:35] <mazal> Raasie baie nie
[12:36] <Kilos> im just struggling man with stupid pdf form to fill in
[12:36] <Kilos> no idea how at all
[12:36]  * inetpro still has a bluetooth/wireless keyboard for the Note II on his wishlist
[12:36] <Kilos> converted to text but cant get it back again
[12:36] <Kilos> grrr
[12:37] <Kilos> and a mouse inetpro 
[12:37] <Kilos> them scrape pads suck
[12:37] <mazal> Isn't there pdf editors ?
[12:37] <Kilos> ya but they dont work
[12:37] <Kilos> grrr
[12:37] <mazal> did you try a2ps and then ps2pdf ?
[12:38] <Kilos> nope
[12:38] <mazal> try
[12:39] <mazal> First a2ps text.file -o newfile
[12:39] <mazal> Then ps2pdf newfile to newfile.pdf
[12:40] <Kilos> you dont have to install ps2pdf?
[12:40] <Kilos> i found a2ps
[12:40] <mazal> Yes you have to install it
[12:40] <mazal> Not in by default
[12:40] <Kilos> synaptic shows pod2pdf
[12:41] <mazal> Use apt-get
[12:41] <Kilos> is that it?
[12:41] <Kilos> ok sec
[12:41] <mazal> Very small app
[12:42] <DarkSurferZA> What Nick does Raoul Snyman use? Is he online?
[12:43] <Kilos> the fly
[12:44] <Kilos> superfly
[12:44] <Kilos> and yes he is here
[12:44] <DarkSurferZA> Ah, cool. Thanks man
[12:44] <Kilos> mazal, E: Unable to locate package ps2pdf
[12:45] <Kilos> not in 12.04 repos
[12:45] <mazal> Must be part of another one then
[12:45] <mazal> I use it on my 12.04
[12:45] <Kilos> maybe that podone
[12:45] <mazal> Lemme see if I can check which package
[12:46] <mazal> Is defnitely not that pod one
[12:46] <DarkSurferZA> Mmmm, seems superfly is just idling
[12:46] <Kilos> he gets busy and cant chat
[12:47] <Kilos> or else asleep somewhere
[12:47] <mazal> This is what my manual say Kilos :
[12:47] <mazal> " 24. Make pdf and txt file from a command's man page in the current working directory (packages a2ps and ps2pdf must be installed)"
[12:48] <mazal> So looks like I installed ps2pdf
[12:48] <Kilos> hmm i wonder where you got it
[12:50] <mazal> I also don't see it in package manager , so what package I installed to get that ?
[12:50] <Kilos> ghostscript
[12:50] <mazal> Lemme check my build doc
[12:51] <Kilos> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442405-creating-pdf-files-with-ps2pdf
[12:51] <mazal> I wonder if it isn't part of a2ps. Did you install a2ps ?
[12:51] <Kilos> ya
[12:51] <mazal> My build doc only mentions a2ps
[12:52] <mazal> And ps2pdf still don't work ?
[12:52] <Kilos> dunno man
[12:52] <mazal> Check man
[12:52] <Kilos> you said install it first
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:56] <Kilos> grrr
[12:56] <mazal> ?
[12:56] <Kilos> Usage: ps2pdfwr [options...] (input.[e]ps|-) [output.pdf|-]
[12:56] <mazal> Did you do a2ps first ?
[12:56] <Kilos> ya
[12:56] <Kilos> and left it named newfile
[12:57] <Kilos> but dunno where it is
[12:57] <mazal> You remembered the -o ?
[12:57] <Kilos> in home maybe
[12:57] <mazal> It will be in your current working folder
[12:57] <Kilos> a2ps ~/Desktop/Omega.txt -o newfile
[12:58] <mazal> It will put it in your current working folder as you didn't specify a path for newfile
[12:58] <Kilos> ai!
[12:59] <Kilos> what current working folder grrr
[12:59] <mazal> The one where you are standing in when you execute the command
[12:59] <Kilos> desktop
[12:59] <mazal> For example if you just opened a terminal you will be in your ~ folder
[13:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:00] <mazal> Best is to add a path for newfile to where you want it
[13:00] <Kilos> its in home
[13:01] <mazal> And maybe add .ps as well
[13:01] <mazal> Maybe it requires that
[13:01] <mazal> So it should be something like:
[13:02] <Kilos> how can peeps send you an application form in pdf? and expect you to fill it in and sign it
[13:02] <Kilos> grrr
[13:02] <mazal> a2ps ~/Desktop/Omega.txt -o ~/Desktop/Omega.ps
[13:02] <mazal> Then
[13:02] <mazal> ps2pdf ~/Desktop/Omega.ps ~/Desktop/Omega.pdf
[13:03] <Kilos> that worked kiff ty why didnt you say so to start with
[13:03] <Kilos> you want to borrow my email addy?
[13:04] <mazal> I assumed you know cli lol :)
[13:04] <Kilos> all these paths drive me nuts
[13:05] <Kilos> now how do you sign a form on a pc?
[13:05] <Kilos> grrr
[13:05] <Kilos> pen dont work on screen
[13:07] <Kilos> oh DarkSurferZA i think he might be at their stand
[13:07] <mazal> I also get very annoyed at people sending pdf forms. Then I just reply " Send it in Word format , you can't edit pdf's "
[13:07] <smile> see ya! :)
[13:07] <Kilos> cticc AfricaCom
[13:08] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[13:08] <Kilos> even then how would you sign it
[13:11] <DarkSurferZA> Yo, Kilos, soz, missed that
[13:11] <DarkSurferZA> Which stand?
[13:11] <Kilos> lol half a stand he said
[13:11] <Kilos> henkj, you know which stand
[13:12] <Kilos> ?
[13:13] <DarkSurferZA> Missed the bus on thatone.
[13:13] <Kilos> aw
[13:13] <DarkSurferZA> *that one
[13:13] <charl> DarkSurferZA: you were the guy from deloitte right? or do i have it wrong now
[13:13] <Kilos> but hell be here tonight so hang around
[13:14] <DarkSurferZA> Yip,
[13:14] <DarkSurferZA> Charl you would be correct
[13:15] <DarkSurferZA> How is that for a memory? Or did you cheat and open the IRC logs and search my name?
[13:15] <Kilos> dont you bump into things surfing in the dark
[13:15] <Kilos> or you got infra red vision
[13:16] <DarkSurferZA> I'm just so good, i can do it with my eyes closed, in cli mode
[13:16] <Kilos> haha
[13:16] <DarkSurferZA> Links for the win!!!
[13:17] <DarkSurferZA> Sweet. Chat later. Gotta drive through the rain for a bit
[13:17] <DarkSurferZA> Need my eyes for that
[13:17] <Kilos> ok
[13:18] <charl> DarkSurferZA: no i could remember something of the likes, at least it's good to hear my memory isn't _that_ bad :P
[13:20] <mazal> Enjoy your evening everyone
[13:20] <mazal> Cheers
[13:20] <Vince-0> !
[13:20] <Kilos> you too, ty for the help
[13:38] <charl> sorry accidentally flipped the power switch lol
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <charl> i was bending in underneath the table to get an external hard drive out (backup)
[13:43] <charl> then while i was unplugging the thing i hit the power switch on the extension cord
[13:43] <charl> 1... 2... 3... pwn myself
[14:27] <Kilos> dit kom weer inetpro net wind nie kwaai nie
[14:28] <inetpro> ai!
[14:28] <inetpro> moet ek wag?
[14:28] <Kilos> sal seker n rukkie vat om daar te kom
[14:29] <inetpro> so ek moet nou jaag?
[14:29] <inetpro> is nie soos gister waar hy vinnig kom en gaan nie
[14:29] <Kilos> nog ok na jou huis se kant
[14:30] <Kilos> nee hierdie een bou stadig en kwaai donker oor kalefong op die oomblik
[14:30] <superfly> DarkSurferZA: P56
[14:32] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm.... sal maar moet plan maak
[14:33] <inetpro> ek dink vanaand gaan ons reen kry
[14:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ek dink ry as jy kan die wind het nou begin kwaai waai
[14:37] <Kilos> ander hael wolke van die suide kom met spoed
[14:39] <Kilos> sjoe wind baie kwaai
[14:39] <Kilos> ry nou inetpro !!!!
[14:39] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[14:39] <Kilos> power will pop anytime here methinks
[14:39] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[14:39] <psyatw> hoi inetpro
[14:39] <charl> sounds hectic Kilos 
[14:40] <charl> hey psyatw do you understand what kilos said above?
[14:40] <Kilos> yeah big storm brewing
[14:40] <psyatw> charl, I guess so, yes
[14:40] <charl> yeah it's nice, you can read it like a dialect
[14:41] <Kilos> it is a dialect
[14:41] <Kilos> dutch much improved
[14:41] <psyatw> for me Afrikaans is completely like a dialect of Dutch
[14:41] <psyatw> hahaha
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:41] <charl> dutch heavily simplified yes :)
[14:41] <charl> which i guess is an improvement, because dutch is complex
[14:41] <Kilos> yeah
[14:42] <Kilos> even improves on english
[14:42] <charl> dutch is so complex even dutch people get it wrong :P
[14:42] <psyatw> haha
[14:42] <Kilos> im komes over the mountain , sees a krokeedil and skriks me spider white
[14:42] <charl> i often have to consult https://onzetaal.nl/
[14:42] <psyatw> I don´t think Dutch is complex
[14:43] <psyatw> compared to other languages such as Polish, I mean
[14:43] <charl> really? polish is worse?
[14:43] <charl> i have never even read polish
[14:43] <psyatw> Polish is a Slavic language
[14:44] <psyatw> you have 6-8 cases
[14:44] <charl> bah, don't know anything about slavic languages
[14:44] <psyatw> different declinations of nouns and adjectives
[14:44]  * charl runs and hides
[14:44] <psyatw> a bit like Latin on steroids :P
[14:44] <charl> what and people actually speak it?
[14:44] <psyatw> for me it´s not too hard
[14:44] <psyatw> yes
[14:45] <charl> no i will rather learn japanese in my free time
[14:45] <psyatw> 40+ million of them
[14:45] <psyatw> but what about all the people in Russia and CIS?
[14:45] <charl> phew ok well i guess with enough practise it gets better
[14:45] <psyatw> they speak Russian, which is even worse
[14:45] <psyatw> yes
[14:46] <psyatw> but most foreigners who come here never manage to learn the language
[14:52] <confluency> psyatw: 7 cases. I guess 6-8 is technically accurate. ;)
[14:53] <charl> what a mess
[14:53] <charl> now i know why i live in the west
[14:53] <charl> north-west anyway, here we just have dutch and german to deal with
[14:53] <confluency> psyatw: do you live in Poland?
[14:53] <psyatw> confluency, my reference is Sanskrit, that´s what I compare all Slavic languages to :D
[14:53] <charl> psyatw: you are a language geek?
[14:53] <psyatw> confluency, yes, I do. I live in Poznań
[14:53] <confluency> psyatw: to mówisz trochę po polsku?
[14:54] <psyatw> charl, yes, I speak more than 10 of them
[14:55] <psyatw> confluency, oczywiście możimy mówić po polsku :)
[14:55] <confluency> Haha
[14:55] <confluency> I'm Polish, but I live in ZA.
[14:56] <charl> whahaha, i speak to americans and they are amazed at people who just speak 3 or 4 languages (like me)
[14:56] <charl> i have nothing on you people
[14:57] <psyatw> hahaha
[14:57] <confluency> Some Americans are amazed when someone speaks more than one.
[14:57] <confluency> It would do a lot of them good to learn some Spanish.
[14:57] <psyatw> yes
[14:57] <psyatw> considering English isn´t even an official language of the US
[14:58] <psyatw> because there is none
[14:58] <confluency> It is in individual states.
[14:59] <confluency> (Some of them.)
[14:59] <psyatw> but still, in the southern states in particular Spanish can´t be ignored anymore
[14:59] <charl> i was in florida once
[14:59] <confluency> Yeah, it's only a matter of time before they'll have to take it more seriously.
[14:59] <charl> there were more spanish-speaking americans than non-spanish
[15:00] <charl> but i have a feeling that americans see english as "their language" some of them even call it "american"
[15:00] <charl> even though white americans are actually mostly ethnic german
[15:00] <charl> and english is the language of the island people
[15:02] <psyatw> yes
[15:02] <psyatw> so why not speak German instead?
[15:03] <charl> beats me - apparently it happened by chance that they ended up speaking english or something
[15:03] <psyatw> there was a vote or referendum, I read
[15:04] <charl> the two alternatives were german and dutch, or so a friend of mine tells me
[15:04] <psyatw> and English won out by a small margin
[15:04] <confluency> They're not mostly ethnic German. Ethnic Germans are the largest single ethnic subgroup (among "white" people), but not by much. Next comes Irish.
[15:04] <charl> confluency: that's what i meant
[15:05] <confluency> That makes more non-German "white" people in total than German. ;) And English has been a lingua franca for a while.
[15:05] <confluency> But yeah, it was touch and go historically.
[15:06] <charl> i didn't explain it properly but that's what i tried to say
[15:06] <charl> i just read it on the wikipedia, i don't know if it's true
[15:07] <charl> and english was not a lingua franca until they attempted to take over half the planet
[15:08] <confluency> Yeah, but at the height of US colonisation they had. ;)
[15:08] <charl> the americans thought them off though
[15:09] <charl> and at that point without proper communication technology, nobody cared
[15:09] <confluency> Kept the language. Just gave back a lot of Us.
[15:09] <confluency> And "autumn".
[15:11] <charl> many years ago i was working on a marketing effort for firefox
[15:11] <charl> that was back when internet explorer still had the majority share of the market by a long shot
[15:11] <charl> so i made some flyers in "proper" english (as spoken by the island natives of england)
[15:12] <charl> some american commented that i didn't know how to use a spell checker
[15:12] <charl> an australian friend who was working with me and also did my language care pounced on the "ignorant" american
[15:15]  * inetpro little wet but at home
[15:16] <charl> * fought them off
[15:16] <charl> sorry i need to brush up on my island language
[15:16] <charl> hey inetpro !
[15:17] <inetpro> charl: big thunderstorm here 
[15:17] <charl> whow
[15:17] <inetpro> With wind and rain 
[15:18] <charl> we had one of those in may i think
[15:18] <charl> sky got so dark it looked like late evening in the early afternoon
[15:18] <charl> some bad damage too, wind was so hard
[15:19] <inetpro> caught me on me scoot a few kilometres from home 
[15:21]  * inetpro wbb
[15:23] <psyatw> what we think of as ethnicities aren´t even that, they´re more like nationalities
[15:25] <charl> ethnicities are nonsense in any case
[15:26] <charl> the idea of an ethnicity is fast becoming extinct i think with modern day travel technology
[15:26] <charl> people move around too much and too easily
[15:26] <psyatw> indeed
[15:26] <psyatw> but that was the case in the old times too
[15:26] <charl> yeah, to some extent
[15:26] <psyatw> they moves around a lot
[15:26] <psyatw> moved*
[15:27] <psyatw> http://blog-imgs-44.fc2.com/t/o/k/tokuteisuta/20100906082748_343_1.jpg
[15:27] <charl> but you don't *just* go to japan, that took months and months by ship from europe
[15:27] <charl> larger groups of people perhaps moved around over long spaces of time
[15:27] <charl> but that took many generations
[15:27] <psyatw> yes
[15:27] <psyatw> but that doesn´t mean it didn´t happen
[15:30] <charl> i had to laugh about when the spanish invaded us and got diseases
[15:30] <psyatw> dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/09/world-map-of-y-chromosome-haplogroups.html
[15:30] <charl> that is absolutely hilarious, not used to the climate
[15:30] <psyatw> hehe
[15:31] <charl> yeah but i mean their country is so dry
[15:31] <charl> me gusta
[15:32] <psyatw> me gusta también, pero no sé si el tiemp es demasiado caliente para mi allí
[15:32] <charl> yeah it's too warm for me too in spain
[15:32] <charl> but i was thinking more of this: http://i.imgur.com/CFLTihq.jpg
[15:32] <psyatw> tiempo*
[15:33] <psyatw> haha, yeah
[15:34] <charl> i also like the german version http://i.imgur.com/ysODQ0m.png
[15:42] <charl> have a good evening all !
[16:17] <Kilos> ouch so many orphan inodes
[16:17] <inetpro> wb Kilos 
[16:18] <Kilos> ty inetpro you get home dry?
[16:18] <Kilos> we had 6mm but big storm
[16:18] <inetpro> No way! 
[16:18] <Kilos> huh?
[16:18] <inetpro> that one came to quick in the end 
[16:18] <Kilos> didnt you go when i told you to?
[16:18] <DarkSurferZA> We had some threatening sounds, and dark skies, but no rain :(
[16:19] <Kilos> oh my
[16:19] <DarkSurferZA> I even left work early to watch the action... nothing
[16:19] <Kilos> is there a better way than sudo touch /forcefsck
[16:19] <inetpro> het my ingehaal toe ek amper in die poort kom
[16:19] <Kilos> my
[16:20] <Kilos> i had so much open here when power died
[16:20] <Kilos> DarkSurferZA, did you get the fly's message
[16:21] <DarkSurferZA> Nope, every time i log in, he is offline, and vis versa
[16:21] <Kilos> P56
[16:21] <Kilos> maybe he is on his way home now
[16:21] <DarkSurferZA> P56, what is P56
[16:21] <Kilos> maybe the stand number
[16:21] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: you also in pta? 
[16:22] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: nope, in jhb. I am not at the event mentioned.
[16:22] <Kilos> but the fly is in capetown
[16:23] <DarkSurferZA> Brb guys
[16:23] <Kilos> idiot box dead too now
[16:23] <Kilos> lightening musta hit the tower
[16:23] <inetpro> Kilos: oh yours also? 
[16:24] <Kilos> ya 
[16:24] <Kilos> maybe sabc died
[16:24] <inetpro> the kids just told me, TV is dead at my mother in law 
[16:25] <Kilos> check the news. lightening hits auckland park
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[16:27] <inetpro> tweet t
[16:27] <inetpro> it
[16:28] <Kilos> so weird this new telkom mobile data starter pack
[16:28] <DarkSurferZA> Yo
[16:29] <DarkSurferZA> I'm back
[16:29] <Kilos> *188# shows empty then 2 smses arrive and say you got 5 sms/mms and 200m data
[16:29] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[16:29] <Kilos> 200m a month for a year is lekker for the R49 price of the starter pack
[16:30] <DarkSurferZA> Well it saves u on the USSD fees for the session
[16:30] <Kilos> will be a lekker backup when i run low
[16:30] <Kilos> gotta laugh though
[16:31] <Kilos> advertised as internet only sim card but i foned telkom on it to get the number
[16:32] <DarkSurferZA> Haha. Telkom arent good at the detail man. Its not how they roll
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> but their internet is lekker stable
[16:32] <Kilos> and fast here by me
[16:33] <DarkSurferZA> Cool. I wanna replace mine in January
[16:33] <Kilos> 63m download showed average  download speed as 387kB/s
[16:33] <Kilos> peaked at 595 i think it was
[16:34] <Kilos> get that R49 sim
[16:34] <DarkSurferZA> My cousin had crappy reception in his house, so they fitted an attena in his lounge with a microwave link out
[16:34] <Kilos> it can do 3g and lte
[16:34] <DarkSurferZA> He get rediculous speed
[16:34] <Kilos> wow
[16:34] <Kilos> cost?
[16:35] <DarkSurferZA> Sed s/get/gets
[16:35] <DarkSurferZA> Totally free. He just complained on their facebook page
[16:35] <Kilos> wow
[16:35] <DarkSurferZA> sed s/Sed/sed
[16:35] <inetpro> cool bananas
[16:36] <inetpro> I see a new nice deal
[16:36] <Kilos> now i got more to scheme about
[16:36] <Kilos> tell inetpro 
[16:36] <inetpro> Samsung Galaxy Note 3 for R499 at Telkom Mobile
[16:36] <DarkSurferZA> Spill inetpro 
[16:36] <Kilos> contract?
[16:36] <inetpro> with 5GB of data
[16:36] <inetpro> contract
[16:36] <Kilos> eish
[16:36] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: it is an offence to set fire to a Tlkom mast
[16:37] <Kilos> lol
[16:37] <DarkSurferZA> Is that with the watch?
[16:37] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: nope, don't think so
[16:37] <inetpro> but this deal was not available last week
[16:38] <Kilos> the wars are actually getting good tween mobile providers
[16:38] <inetpro> and it's cheaper than Vodacom
[16:38] <DarkSurferZA> Would've been an epic bundle
[16:38] <Kilos> 499 a month?
[16:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately that is a lot of money yes
[16:39] <Kilos> better to get the 2+1 for me
[16:39] <inetpro> but you get a PC in the pocket with this man
[16:39] <Kilos> or maybe look at the mweb mobile one
[16:39] <inetpro> that Note 3 is incredible
[16:40] <Kilos> not worth it inetpro 
[16:40] <inetpro> goes for more than 9K if you buy it cash
[16:40] <Kilos> wow
[16:40] <Kilos> for 9k i can build a super pc
[16:41] <inetpro> and how do you carry that around everywhere with you?
[16:41] <DarkSurferZA> Yeah, but the pc doesnt fit in your pocket... but neither does the note 3
[16:42] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: I have the Note 2 and it's perfect
[16:42] <inetpro> the Note 3 is even lighter
[16:42] <DarkSurferZA> I got the note 2 10.1. Love it, but it isnt really a pocket rocket
[16:43] <inetpro> nah, that is a bit oversized
[16:43] <Kilos> i dont wanna walk around man, im older
[16:43] <DarkSurferZA> I know i run the risk of being banned forever, but the windows multibook things are quite nice
[16:44] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <DarkSurferZA> Of course you need to format and ubuntu, but not bad hardware
[16:44] <DarkSurferZA> Both tablet and laptop form is quite handy
[16:44] <Kilos> we all have some windows involved in our lives somewhere
[16:44] <inetpro> ai!
[16:44] <Kilos> not true inetpro ?
[16:45] <Kilos> all the pcs at your work are sucks
[16:45] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: for how much?
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: no, not all
[16:45]  * inetpro works on *nix 99.9% of the time
[16:45] <Kilos> thats lekker
[16:46] <DarkSurferZA> Well my aunt got the new sony vaio thing at the gitex expo in dubai 
[16:46] <DarkSurferZA> Offered to bring me one, but my wife was against me buying more toys
[16:47] <DarkSurferZA> Was R4k on special
[16:48] <inetpro> I need to find something to replace my wife's netbook 
[16:49] <DarkSurferZA> http://store.sony.com/vaio-duo-ultrabooks/cat-27-catid-Computers-Convertible-Duo-Series
[16:50] <inetpro> looks nice!
[16:50] <Kilos> inetpro, did you look at that link i gave morning time
[16:50] <Kilos> pc stuff
[16:50] <Kilos> omega something or other
[16:50] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: will Ubuntu work on there?
[16:51] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not sure
[16:51] <DarkSurferZA> Havent tried, but its a pc essentially
[16:51] <DarkSurferZA> Touch screen pc
[16:51] <inetpro> eish
[16:51] <DarkSurferZA> It is x86 hardware
[16:53] <inetpro> touch is still too new 
[16:53] <DarkSurferZA> The expo was apparently quite sick. Had a special on a 86" ultra HD 3d tv.
[16:53] <DarkSurferZA> TV was R200k
[16:53] <Kilos> wow
[16:53] <DarkSurferZA> But you get a BMW 316i brand new as part of the deal
[16:53] <inetpro> :-)
[16:53] <DarkSurferZA> They give you a coupon, and the dealership down the road gave you the keys
[16:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:05] <Kilos> whew you all ran outa steam or went for supper
[17:41] <Private_User> they probably left to watch their favourite soapies
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <Private_User> hehehe
[17:42] <Kilos> the pro has no tv
[17:42] <Kilos> i watch 7de laan
[17:42] <Private_User> for me they are boring, soapies that is
[17:43] <Kilos> hey Private_User your 13.10 going good?
[17:43] <Private_User> 13.10, I am using the 12.04 remember
[17:43] <Private_User> could not get the 13.10 or 13.04 to work
[17:43] <Kilos> oh my i get mixed up
[17:44] <Kilos> someone upgraded to 13.10
[17:44] <Kilos> sorry
[17:44] <Private_User> even the 12.10 did not work for me
[17:44] <Private_User> :(
[17:44] <Kilos> 12.04 is good here
[17:45] <Private_User> wow I just read above a TV for 200k
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> read on
[17:46] <Private_User> yes like and a free car...lol
[17:46] <Private_User> usually its the other way around
[17:46] <Kilos> rofl
[17:46] <Private_User> buy a car and get tv free
[17:46] <Private_User> man this tv better know what I want to wantch before I even sit down
[17:46] <Private_User> LOL
[17:46] <Private_User> *watch
[17:47] <Kilos> hehe
[17:48] <Kilos> i want telkom to come put an antenna and a link to a satelite here
[17:48] <Private_User> will they give you free access to their internet backbone?
[17:49] <Kilos> read back someone got it done free
[17:50] <Kilos> 18.34
[17:58] <Private_User> hey btw how do I get the timestamps to display on this XChat?
[17:58] <Kilos> ah easy
[17:58] <Kilos> settings preferences
[17:59] <Kilos> login
[17:59] <Kilos> tick insert time stamps
[18:00] <Kilos> you can also get audio alerts
[18:00] <Private_User> its ticked
[18:00] <Kilos> and no timestamps?
[18:00] <Private_User> but I don't see the timestamps
[18:00] <Kilos> oh my
[18:01] <Trixar_za> Is the Time stamp format: box empty?
[18:01] <Private_User> it has %b %d %H:%M:%S 
[18:01] <Kilos> %b %d %H:%M:%S 
[18:01] <Trixar_za> Because if it is, add [%H:%M:%S] to it
[18:01] <Kilos> that must be in ther
[18:01] <Kilos> there
[18:01] <Trixar_za> Then it should show up the moment you enabled it
[18:01] <Trixar_za> The old ones won't have it, but the newer messages should
[18:02] <Private_User> ok I disabled it and then enabled it
[18:02] <Private_User> ok still do not see any timestamps
[18:02] <Kilos> might need to restart xchat
[18:02] <Kilos> normally it tells you if needed
[18:03] <Trixar_za> Did you tick the Enable Timestamps in the Appearance Setting dialog?
[18:03] <Trixar_za> Appearance Tab? Oo
[18:03] <Trixar_za> lol
[18:03] <Trixar_za> I forgot what you called section dialogs
[18:04] <Private_User> ok let me try editing it with Trixar_za setting
[18:04] <Trixar_za> I'm using HexChat at the moment, so some of the stuff might be different
[18:04] <Trixar_za> (It's an updated XChat fork)
[18:04] <Kilos> in the first block
[18:04] <Private_User> this is what I had %b %d %H:%M:%S 
[18:05] <Kilos> text box tick enable timestamps
[18:05] <Private_User> ok testing now
[18:05] <Private_User> nope still nothing
[18:05] <Kilos> only 2 places to tick then it must work
[18:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:06] <Trixar_za> Windows 6.0? Oo
[18:06] <Private_User> yep
[18:06] <Trixar_za> So you're using Windows?
[18:06] <Kilos> eeek
[18:06] <Trixar_za> Go with HexChat
[18:07] <Trixar_za> All the other free Windows compiles of XChat is crappy
[18:07] <Trixar_za> http://hexchat.github.io/
[18:07] <Private_User> ok
[18:08] <Private_User> but I think on Lubuntu its the same issue no timestamps, but let me doublke check the settings on it
[18:08] <Kilos> hows things Trixar_za ?
[18:08] <Trixar_za> You can use HexChat on Ubuntu too - it has a package for it :)
[18:08] <Kilos> that tick block in text box makes it work right away i think
[18:09] <Trixar_za> Well, Ubuntu and it's derivatives, but I'd use KVIRC for Kubuntu
[18:09] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[18:09] <smile4ever> Hi :)
[18:09] <Guest59928> I'm back :)
[18:09] <Kilos> konversation rocks Trixar_za 
[18:09] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Alright I guess. Played around with a TV/Radio Tuner Card for a PC
[18:10] <smile4ever> Forgot to auto-login
[18:10] <smile4ever> :p
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:11] <smile4ever>  /ns release nickname pass && /nick smile4ever just works
[18:11] <smile4ever> :)
[18:11] <Kilos> whew
[18:11] <Kilos> all that work
[18:12] <Resu_Etavirp> ok I am now on the Lubuntu machine
[18:12] <Resu_Etavirp> same settings no Timestamps
[18:12] <Kilos> with xchat?
[18:12] <Resu_Etavirp> yep
[18:13] <Kilos> the settings prefs textbox tick time stamps
[18:13] <Kilos> must work
[18:13] <Resu_Etavirp> ok  cool got it to work here
[18:13] <Kilos> yay
[18:13] <Kilos> go ubuntu
[18:13] <Resu_Etavirp> let me try on the other machine
[18:15] <Private_User> excellent working here now
[18:15] <Kilos> what happened
[18:15] <Private_User> and it shows the timestamps for even the previous chats
[18:15] <Kilos> yes
[18:16] <Kilos> xchat is normally trouble free
[18:16] <Private_User> I think thois was more a I-D-10-T error
[18:16] <Private_User> LOL
[18:17] <Private_User> I was looking in the wrong area
[18:17] <Kilos> what?
[18:17] <Kilos> is that typos?
[18:17] <Kilos> oh lol
[18:17] <Private_User> you got it now?
[18:17] <Private_User> hehe
[18:17] <smile4ever|druk> Kilos: it just takes two commands, that's not much :)
[18:17] <Private_User> ID10T
[18:17] <Kilos> haha
[18:18] <Private_User> LOL that was me
[18:18] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[18:18] <Kilos> home again?
[18:18] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:19] <psychicist> yes, I've just come back home
[18:19] <Private_User> now I am off to eat be back later
[18:19] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:19] <psychicist> ok, enjoy
[18:23] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash all good there?
[18:27] <smile4ever|druk> That's what you get "when you use IE" -> http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/developer-creates-simpsons-entirely-css/15784
[18:27]  * smile4ever|druk refers to Paramore - That's what you get
[18:28] <inetpro> Sorry oom kilometers, twas dinner time 
[18:31] <Kilos> haha
[18:32] <Kilos> i thought so
[18:36] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn you still here and so silent too
[18:38] <nlsthzn> was playing some xbox with a friend of the wife
[18:38] <Kilos> aha
[18:40] <inetpro> I'm here... somewhere 
[18:41] <Kilos> haha
[18:41] <DarkSurferZA> Still havent bumped into superfly for the day. Meh, another reason to be online tomorrow
[18:41] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: he must be tired 
[18:41] <Kilos> you sposed to be online everyday if you one of us
[18:42] <Kilos> because i get tired
[18:42] <DarkSurferZA> Any of u guys going to the ZaCon conference this weekend?
[18:42] <nlsthzn> seems I am going to bed earlier tonigh :
[18:42] <nlsthzn> bye all catch you all laters
[18:42] <Kilos> old age nlsthzn 
[18:42] <inetpro> Good night nlsthzn 
[18:42] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:42] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: agree, need to make a better effort
[18:42] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: not me 
[18:42] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <DarkSurferZA> nlsthzn: cheers dude
[18:44] <superfly> DarkSurferZA: I'm here now
[18:44] <DarkSurferZA> Since last i was online, my newborn son has blessed me witha lack of sleep and ssleep
[18:45] <DarkSurferZA> Yo superfly
[18:45] <Kilos> wb superfly 
[18:45] <superfly> DarkSurferZA: I know the feeling... I have 2 :-D
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <superfly> (not newborns, but they both once were)
[18:59] <DarkSurferZA> Anyway guys, i gotta go feed some dogs, put kids in bed, and all that dad stuff
[19:00] <Kilos> lol ok
[19:01] <DarkSurferZA> C u guys online tomorrow. Go live the dream, and be awesome. Its gonna be legen....... wait for it.....
[19:01] <superfly> I read my eldest to sleep... The Magicians Nephew
[19:02] <inetpro> good night DarkSurferZA
[19:02] <superfly> ...dairy?
[19:02] <Kilos> night DarkSurferZA 
[19:02] <DarkSurferZA> Dary. Legendary. :)
[19:02] <DarkSurferZA> Sweet cheers guys
[19:02] <Kilos> hehe
[19:02] <superfly> cheers DarkSurferZA
[19:03] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[19:04] <inetpro> goeie nag oom