manchickenTonio: ping01:34
manchickenRe-factoring this libqapt code to be more testable is actually a rather large task.01:53
manchickenFun... I'm getting warnings from apt-pkg: ...libqapt/src/backend.cpp:1295:24: warning: ‘void pkgProblemResolver::InstallProtect()’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/apt-pkg/algorithms.h:137) [-Wdeprecated-declarations]02:32
manchickenI want to be a good little hacker and fix this, but I don't see any documentation on an upgrade path.02:37
soeegood morning07:16
lordievaderGood morning.08:18
Riddellbon dia08:41
lordievaderHey Riddell, first one in the office again? ;)08:44
Riddellnobody here but me, perfect chance to play Spice Girls at full volume08:48
lordievaderSpice Girls, wow haven't heard that in ages.08:48
* Riddell wants a zig-a-zig-a08:49
RiddellBlizzz: owncloud 5.0.12 in updates for 13.1008:56
Riddellsadly I couldn't get it to work for older versions :(08:56
Riddellparad1se_: thanks for the test case on bug 107145308:57
ubottubug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107145308:57
parad1se_Riddell: No problem, thank you for build and support!!08:58
Riddellparad1se_: there's one more task you need to do08:59
Riddellparad1se_: you need to test the actual packages as compiled in precise-proposed09:00
Riddellthen report back that they're good on the bug and tag with verification-done09:00
Riddellthen next week they'll go into precise-updates09:00
BlizzzRiddell: great, thanks! I am a bit sorry to say it, but meanwhile we also have 5.0.13 containing a security fix (though not affecting a default kubuntu installation, related to MariaDB). http://owncloud.org/changelog/09:00
RiddellBlizzz: you like to keep us on our toes :)09:00
BlizzzRiddell: you know, the saying goes release early, release often ;)09:01
parad1se_Riddell: OK, what is precise-proposed? A Repository?09:08
Riddellparad1se_: yeah if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and copy the lines which say precise-updates so you have ones with precise-proposed as well09:08
Riddellthen update and install the packages09:08
Riddellparad1se_: we are very careful with stable release updates as you will be noticing, worse than having bugs is to introduce new ones09:09
parad1se_Riddell: OK, I will try. Do I have to delete the packages and install again?09:09
parad1se_I mean kde-runtime packages?09:10
parad1se_Because I have install the kde-runtime packages and depencies from your repo. 09:11
Riddellparad1se_: yeah that might be a good idea09:13
parad1se_Riddell: OK. :) Thanks.09:17
Riddellleif_: do you have saucy installed?  we could do with a muon tester if so09:19
leif_Riddell, ok :)10:10
leif_sorry was afk10:10
Riddellleif_: bug 1250114 if you can help out10:11
ubottubug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125011410:11
Riddellleif_: install the packages from saucy-proposed and check everything still works and listed bugs are fixed10:11
leif_ok installing moun now10:12
leif_cant fiend it10:14
Riddellleif_: 2.1.1 from saucy-proposed?10:15
leif_can fiend it in any of my pacakege installers10:15
Riddellleif_: have you enabled -proposed?10:15
leif_what does it do10:17
Riddellleif_: it allows you to install updates we need tested10:17
Riddellwe test the updates before they are made available to everyone10:17
leif_where do i fiend moun10:18
leif_sorry still new10:18
Riddellleif_: are you using the command line or gui tools?10:20
leif_should i use apt-get10:22
leif_did learn that a couple of days ago10:23
Riddellleif_: in software-properties-kde under Updates tab tick pre-released and unsupported-updates10:24
Riddellleif_: on command line run  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:25
Riddelluse  apt-cache policy muon  to ensure muon 2.1.1 is installed10:25
Riddellrun each of the muon applications and check they work to install/uninstall/upgrade software etc and the bugs listed in bug 1250114 are fixed10:26
ubottubug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125011410:26
smartboyhwHello all10:42
lordievaderHey smartboyhw, how have you been?10:43
smartboyhwlordievader, busy.10:43
smartboyhwI'm taking TOEFL on Saturday:OO10:44
lordievadersmartboyhw: English test right? Good luck!10:44
smartboyhwlordievader: Thx10:44
Riddellsmartboyhw: but you speak perfect english, you'll pass easy10:45
smartboyhwRiddell: Huh, the listening is difficult, since the accent is a bit difficult to get used to.10:45
lordievaderBritish English accent?10:46
smartboyhwlordievader: Mixed 10:46
Riddellwe need to do more mumble calls to help you practice :)10:46
smartboyhwRiddell: Did you vote for CC? And you guys have better accents than those on the practice paper recordings.10:47
Riddellsmartboyhw: I remember voting for you for something10:48
smartboyhwRiddell: Heh heh10:49
Riddellhi cortexA9 10:57
Riddellso anyone want to test this muon update in saucy?10:57
cortexA9Riddell: i am not on kubuntu right now sry11:03
Riddellleif_: how did you get on with muon?11:08
leif_found it 11:08
leif_aand installed it now i just gotta sort out how to use it11:09
cortexA9any update for the kde 4.11.80 on trusty ?11:11
Riddellstill WIP, see notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas11:12
* Riddell mostly working on kde frameworks this week11:12
ari-tczewRiddell: wow, you're a champion of non-merged packages. are you gonna to merge them all with Debian to get 4.11.3 in trusty?12:23
shadeslayerScottK: I hear there's some progress going on wrt OTR support, I'm kind of busy working on 4.12 and fixing muon/qapt right now :)12:43
shadeslayerwhaaa http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html12:44
ScottKshadeslayer: Good to hear.  Thanks.12:50
Riddellari-tczew: so far I've not thought much about merging or updating packages, going straight to 4.11.80 in trust would make sense13:07
markey_workso Muon still crashes for me a lot, with latest updates13:19
markey_workin libQApt13:20
Riddellmarkey_work: from saucy-updates or saucy-proposed?13:23
markey_workI think updates13:24
markey_worknot sure right now, have to check at home13:24
Riddellmarkey_work: the packages in saucy-proposed needs testing if you can, bug 125011413:35
ubottubug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125011413:35
BluesKajHey folks13:42
shadeslayermarkey_work: can I get the backtrace?13:47
markey_workdidn't have debug symbols installed for libqapt. will install 13:48
shadeslayerThoughts on where to put akonadi2xml ? ( Converts akonadi collections to XML )14:44
shadeslayercomes from kdepimlibs14:44
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shadeslayeryofel: ScottK Riddell ^^14:46
shadeslayerseems like a developer tool to me, so kdepimlibs5-dev ?14:46
Riddellshadeslayer: best confirm it is a developer tool14:49
Riddellhttp://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/fileinfo?rpmID=42227&filename=/usr/bin/akonadi2xml  fedora say kdepim-runtime14:50
shadeslayercomes from kdepimlibs :S14:50
Riddellmm, curious14:51
shadeslayer!find akonadi2xml14:52
ubottuFile akonadi2xml found in kdepim-runtime, kdepim-runtime-dbg14:52
shadeslayerso I suppose it's gone from kdepim-runtime14:52
Riddellshadeslayer: we have it installed by default now14:54
Riddellso worth checking why it's moved14:54
shadeslayermarkey_work: still waiting for that backtrace :)15:10
markey_workI'm in the office15:10
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Riddellhi leif_ 16:41
Riddellhow did you get on with muon?16:41
leif_not found any bugs atm but whent shopping16:42
Riddellleif_: can you leave feedback on bug 1250114 when you're happy and change the tag to verification-done?16:43
ubottubug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125011416:43
Riddellparad1se_: don't forget about testing for bug 1071453 :)17:26
ubottubug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107145317:26
shadeslayerRiddell: ScottK apachelogger thoughts on dropping the Version column in Muon updater?17:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: any reason why https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/5705d05d4fe570e64d8a2843f7f6c8d7faba8029 isn't in the 2.1 branch?17:57
Riddellshadeslayer: any reason?18:00
shadeslayerRiddell: I personally find it useless and leads to bugs like https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28792118:01
ubottuKDE bug 287921 in updater "The column sizes can't be changed in updater" [Normal,Unconfirmed]18:01
shadeslayerapol agreed over lunch, I don't see the value in showing the version in a separate column18:01
Riddellshadeslayer: I've no objection, the version is in the changelog entry anyway18:02
shadeslayermaybe show it in each item in the delegate as small text18:02
shadeslayerRiddell: that was another issue :P18:02
shadeslayerchangelogs are useless for end users since they almost always show packaging changes18:02
shadeslayer( in the context of KDE packages )18:02
Riddellit is geek speak18:03
Riddellbut on updates they might be interesting18:03
shadeslayerFor the end user? I am unsure18:06
Riddellshadeslayer: I leave it to your wise opinion :)18:19
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soeeRiddell, thank you for the kdeconnect package20:25
ovidiu-florinhas KDE 4.11.3 came to Backports yet?20:44
ovidiu-florinI guess I need to learn about Kubuntu packages in order to help with this, right?20:49
ahoneybunhey ovidiu-florin21:07
ahoneybunis anyone working on a new package for the docs21:07
ovidiu-florinI've just started reading about debian packages21:12
ovidiu-florinI've made a few before, but I want to be sure I'll do it "the right way"21:13
ahoneybunoh I see that one was made on halloween21:19
ahoneybunbut not sure if that included the fix that Oliver made21:20
lordievaderahoneybun: What new package?21:36
ahoneybunlordievader: kubuntu-docs22:21
lordievaderahoneybun: Yes, but what should be new in the package ;)22:29
lordievaderahoneybun: I want details ;)22:29
ahoneybunlordievader: the fix to bug 1240807 for one thing23:18
ubottubug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124080723:18
ahoneybunanyone have samba exp?23:19
lordievaderahoneybun: Thought Riddell wasn't to happy with that.23:22
ahoneybunlordievader: ?23:23
ahoneybunthe bug?23:23
ahoneybunor the fix?23:23
lordievaderahoneybun: The fix, it is quite dirty, I agree with him on that. Bunch of js rewrite rules pretty much.23:24
ahoneybunlordievader: I did really look into it much tbh23:25
lordievaderahoneybun: Did or didn't? If you did, did you find an alternate solution?23:28
ahoneybundid not23:29
lordievaderAnyhow time to go home and go to bed. Sleep well.23:32
ScottKshadeslayer: don't drop the version column.23:45
shadeslayerAny specific reason we *want* it?23:46
* shadeslayer looks at how OS X does it23:46
mamarleyDon't look at how OSX does it.  OSX is not an operating system designed for power users.23:47
ScottKVersions are important.  See the furor when mozilla tried to ditch firefox versions.23:47
mamarleyI like to know which version of the package I am looking at.23:47
shadeslayermamarley: doesn't hurt to look at what other people are doing :)23:48
shadeslayermamarley: and what does that version tell you?23:48
mamarleyKnowing the version is important.  Especially if one wants to report bugs upstream.23:49
mamarleyOSX also doesn't allow the user to configure whether or not the laptop goes to sleep when the lid closes.  Neither does GNOME, the last time I checked.  One of the reasons I use KDE and Linux is that I like to see and control what my system is doing.23:50
valoriefor the record, I like having a tab where I can read up on the geekspeak stuff in muon23:56
valorieI also appreciate that it's not presented by default, since I've often used it in the paste for searches23:57

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