[01:34] <manchicken> Tonio: ping
[01:53] <manchicken> Re-factoring this libqapt code to be more testable is actually a rather large task.
[02:32] <manchicken> Fun... I'm getting warnings from apt-pkg: ...libqapt/src/backend.cpp:1295:24: warning: ‘void pkgProblemResolver::InstallProtect()’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/apt-pkg/algorithms.h:137) [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
[02:37] <manchicken> I want to be a good little hacker and fix this, but I don't see any documentation on an upgrade path.
[05:39] <leif_> greetings
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[07:16] <leif_> morning
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:41] <Riddell> bon dia
[08:44] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, first one in the office again? ;)
[08:48] <Riddell> nobody here but me, perfect chance to play Spice Girls at full volume
[08:48] <lordievader> Spice Girls, wow haven't heard that in ages.
[08:49]  * Riddell wants a zig-a-zig-a
[08:56] <Riddell> Blizzz: owncloud 5.0.12 in updates for 13.10
[08:56] <Riddell> sadly I couldn't get it to work for older versions :(
[08:57] <Riddell> parad1se_: thanks for the test case on bug 1071453
[08:57] <ubottu> bug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071453
[08:58] <parad1se_> Riddell: No problem, thank you for build and support!!
[08:59] <Riddell> parad1se_: there's one more task you need to do
[09:00] <Riddell> parad1se_: you need to test the actual packages as compiled in precise-proposed
[09:00] <Riddell> then report back that they're good on the bug and tag with verification-done
[09:00] <Riddell> then next week they'll go into precise-updates
[09:00] <Blizzz> Riddell: great, thanks! I am a bit sorry to say it, but meanwhile we also have 5.0.13 containing a security fix (though not affecting a default kubuntu installation, related to MariaDB). http://owncloud.org/changelog/
[09:00] <Riddell> Blizzz: you like to keep us on our toes :)
[09:01] <Blizzz> Riddell: you know, the saying goes release early, release often ;)
[09:03] <Blizzz> https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283541
[09:08] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK, what is precise-proposed? A Repository?
[09:08] <Riddell> parad1se_: yeah if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and copy the lines which say precise-updates so you have ones with precise-proposed as well
[09:08] <Riddell> then update and install the packages
[09:09] <Riddell> parad1se_: we are very careful with stable release updates as you will be noticing, worse than having bugs is to introduce new ones
[09:09] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK, I will try. Do I have to delete the packages and install again?
[09:10] <parad1se_> I mean kde-runtime packages?
[09:11] <parad1se_> Because I have install the kde-runtime packages and depencies from your repo. 
[09:13] <Riddell> parad1se_: yeah that might be a good idea
[09:17] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK. :) Thanks.
[09:19] <Riddell> leif_: do you have saucy installed?  we could do with a muon tester if so
[10:10] <leif_> Riddell, ok :)
[10:10] <leif_> sorry was afk
[10:11] <Riddell> leif_: bug 1250114 if you can help out
[10:11] <ubottu> bug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250114
[10:11] <Riddell> leif_: install the packages from saucy-proposed and check everything still works and listed bugs are fixed
[10:12] <leif_> ok installing moun now
[10:13] <leif_> ahh'
[10:14] <leif_> cant fiend it
[10:15] <Riddell> leif_: 2.1.1 from saucy-proposed?
[10:15] <leif_> can fiend it in any of my pacakege installers
[10:15] <Riddell> leif_: have you enabled -proposed?
[10:17] <leif_> ok
[10:17] <leif_> what does it do
[10:17] <Riddell> leif_: it allows you to install updates we need tested
[10:17] <leif_> ok
[10:17] <Riddell> we test the updates before they are made available to everyone
[10:18] <leif_> :)
[10:18] <leif_> where do i fiend moun
[10:18] <leif_> sorry still new
[10:20] <Riddell> leif_: are you using the command line or gui tools?
[10:22] <leif_> gui
[10:22] <leif_> should i use apt-get
[10:23] <leif_> did learn that a couple of days ago
[10:24] <Riddell> leif_: in software-properties-kde under Updates tab tick pre-released and unsupported-updates
[10:25] <leif_> ok
[10:25] <leif_> thanks
[10:25] <Riddell> leif_: on command line run  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:25] <leif_> :)'
[10:25] <Riddell> use  apt-cache policy muon  to ensure muon 2.1.1 is installed
[10:25] <leif_> ok
[10:26] <Riddell> run each of the muon applications and check they work to install/uninstall/upgrade software etc and the bugs listed in bug 1250114 are fixed
[10:26] <ubottu> bug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250114
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Hello all
[10:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw!
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell!
[10:43] <Riddell> dood
[10:43] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how have you been?
[10:43] <smartboyhw> lordievader, busy.
[10:44] <smartboyhw> I'm taking TOEFL on Saturday:OO
[10:44] <lordievader> smartboyhw: English test right? Good luck!
[10:44] <smartboyhw> lordievader: Thx
[10:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you speak perfect english, you'll pass easy
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Huh, the listening is difficult, since the accent is a bit difficult to get used to.
[10:46] <lordievader> British English accent?
[10:46] <smartboyhw> lordievader: Mixed 
[10:46] <Riddell> we need to do more mumble calls to help you practice :)
[10:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Did you vote for CC? And you guys have better accents than those on the practice paper recordings.
[10:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I remember voting for you for something
[10:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Heh heh
[10:54] <cortexA9> hello
[10:57] <Riddell> hi cortexA9 
[10:57] <Riddell> so anyone want to test this muon update in saucy?
[11:03] <cortexA9> Riddell: i am not on kubuntu right now sry
[11:07] <leif_> lol
[11:08] <Riddell> leif_: how did you get on with muon?
[11:08] <leif_> found it 
[11:09] <leif_> aand installed it now i just gotta sort out how to use it
[11:11] <cortexA9> any update for the kde 4.11.80 on trusty ?
[11:12] <Riddell> still WIP, see notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[11:12]  * Riddell mostly working on kde frameworks this week
[12:23] <ari-tczew> Riddell: wow, you're a champion of non-merged packages. are you gonna to merge them all with Debian to get 4.11.3 in trusty?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I hear there's some progress going on wrt OTR support, I'm kind of busy working on 4.12 and fixing muon/qapt right now :)
[12:44] <shadeslayer> whaaa http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[12:50] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Good to hear.  Thanks.
[13:07] <Riddell> ari-tczew: so far I've not thought much about merging or updating packages, going straight to 4.11.80 in trust would make sense
[13:19] <markey_work> so Muon still crashes for me a lot, with latest updates
[13:20] <markey_work> in libQApt
[13:23] <Riddell> markey_work: from saucy-updates or saucy-proposed?
[13:24] <markey_work> I think updates
[13:24] <markey_work> not sure right now, have to check at home
[13:35] <Riddell> markey_work: the packages in saucy-proposed needs testing if you can, bug 1250114
[13:35] <ubottu> bug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250114
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:47] <shadeslayer> markey_work: can I get the backtrace?
[13:48] <markey_work> didn't have debug symbols installed for libqapt. will install 
[13:52] <shadeslayer> thx
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Thoughts on where to put akonadi2xml ? ( Converts akonadi collections to XML )
[14:44] <shadeslayer> comes from kdepimlibs
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[14:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: ScottK Riddell ^^
[14:46] <shadeslayer> seems like a developer tool to me, so kdepimlibs5-dev ?
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: best confirm it is a developer tool
[14:50] <Riddell> http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/fileinfo?rpmID=42227&filename=/usr/bin/akonadi2xml  fedora say kdepim-runtime
[14:50] <shadeslayer> comes from kdepimlibs :S
[14:51] <Riddell> mm, curious
[14:52] <shadeslayer> !find akonadi2xml
[14:52] <ubottu> File akonadi2xml found in kdepim-runtime, kdepim-runtime-dbg
[14:52] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:52] <shadeslayer> so I suppose it's gone from kdepim-runtime
[14:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we have it installed by default now
[14:54] <shadeslayer> right
[14:54] <Riddell> so worth checking why it's moved
[15:10] <shadeslayer> markey_work: still waiting for that backtrace :)
[15:10] <markey_work> I'm in the office
[15:10] <shadeslayer> alrighty
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[16:41] <leif_> evning
[16:41] <Riddell> hi leif_ 
[16:41] <Riddell> how did you get on with muon?
[16:42] <leif_> not found any bugs atm but whent shopping
[16:43] <Riddell> leif_: can you leave feedback on bug 1250114 when you're happy and change the tag to verification-done?
[16:43] <ubottu> bug 1250114 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU to 2.1.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1250114
[17:26] <Riddell> parad1se_: don't forget about testing for bug 1071453 :)
[17:26] <ubottu> bug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071453
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK apachelogger thoughts on dropping the Version column in Muon updater?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any reason why https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/5705d05d4fe570e64d8a2843f7f6c8d7faba8029 isn't in the 2.1 branch?
[18:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any reason?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I personally find it useless and leads to bugs like https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287921
[18:01] <ubottu> KDE bug 287921 in updater "The column sizes can't be changed in updater" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[18:01] <shadeslayer> apol agreed over lunch, I don't see the value in showing the version in a separate column
[18:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've no objection, the version is in the changelog entry anyway
[18:02] <shadeslayer> maybe show it in each item in the delegate as small text
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that was another issue :P
[18:02] <shadeslayer> changelogs are useless for end users since they almost always show packaging changes
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ( in the context of KDE packages )
[18:03] <Riddell> it is geek speak
[18:03] <shadeslayer> right
[18:03] <Riddell> but on updates they might be interesting
[18:06] <shadeslayer> For the end user? I am unsure
[18:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I leave it to your wise opinion :)
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[20:25] <soee> Riddell, thank you for the kdeconnect package
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> has KDE 4.11.3 came to Backports yet?
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> I guess I need to learn about Kubuntu packages in order to help with this, right?
[21:07] <ahoneybun> hey ovidiu-florin
[21:07] <ahoneybun> is anyone working on a new package for the docs
[21:07] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:12] <ovidiu-florin> I've just started reading about debian packages
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> I've made a few before, but I want to be sure I'll do it "the right way"
[21:19] <ahoneybun> oh I see that one was made on halloween
[21:20] <ahoneybun> but not sure if that included the fix that Oliver made
[21:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What new package?
[22:21] <ahoneybun> lordievader: kubuntu-docs
[22:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Yes, but what should be new in the package ;)
[22:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I want details ;)
[23:18] <ahoneybun> lordievader: the fix to bug 1240807 for one thing
[23:18] <ubottu> bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807
[23:19] <ahoneybun> anyone have samba exp?
[23:22] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Thought Riddell wasn't to happy with that.
[23:23] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ?
[23:23] <ahoneybun> the bug?
[23:23] <ahoneybun> or the fix?
[23:24] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The fix, it is quite dirty, I agree with him on that. Bunch of js rewrite rules pretty much.
[23:25] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I did really look into it much tbh
[23:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Did or didn't? If you did, did you find an alternate solution?
[23:29] <ahoneybun> did not
[23:29] <ahoneybun> sorry
[23:32] <lordievader> Anyhow time to go home and go to bed. Sleep well.
[23:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: don't drop the version column.
[23:46] <shadeslayer> Any specific reason we *want* it?
[23:46]  * shadeslayer looks at how OS X does it
[23:47] <mamarley> Don't look at how OSX does it.  OSX is not an operating system designed for power users.
[23:47] <ScottK> Versions are important.  See the furor when mozilla tried to ditch firefox versions.
[23:47] <mamarley> I like to know which version of the package I am looking at.
[23:48] <shadeslayer> mamarley: doesn't hurt to look at what other people are doing :)
[23:48] <shadeslayer> mamarley: and what does that version tell you?
[23:49] <mamarley> Knowing the version is important.  Especially if one wants to report bugs upstream.
[23:50] <mamarley> OSX also doesn't allow the user to configure whether or not the laptop goes to sleep when the lid closes.  Neither does GNOME, the last time I checked.  One of the reasons I use KDE and Linux is that I like to see and control what my system is doing.
[23:56] <valorie> for the record, I like having a tab where I can read up on the geekspeak stuff in muon
[23:57] <valorie> I also appreciate that it's not presented by default, since I've often used it in the paste for searches