[00:00] <smoku> why would you wand libhybris on a desktop?
[00:00] <Nothing_Much> Even if I include the "/usr/include" folder, it still doesn't work, it wants a file called android-version.h or something
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> I'm on an Arm PC at the moment
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> with an SGX 544 graphics card
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> That's why I need libhybris
[00:04] <smoku> oh
[00:04] <smoku> so I guess you need to pull the android source for your PC, to get that
[00:05] <smoku> you can do that on an intel PC wit a bigger hdd
[00:08] <Nothing_Much> smoku: just for headers?
[00:08] <Nothing_Much> do I need more than just headers for libhybris?
[00:09] <TechieElf> smoku I'm clueless on how to build from the source. The instructions in the readme only show how to get the source
[00:09] <smoku> Nothing_Much, I would check how Mer guys are building it
[00:10] <Nothing_Much> it's only for the cubiboard...
[00:11] <smoku> TechieElf, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[00:12] <smoku> Nothing_Much, the procedure for your board should be similar
[00:12] <Nothing_Much> yeah but
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> where are the android headers that don't take up all of my freaking hdd space????
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> I used that repo init script
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> and it downloads ALL OF THE PROJECTS
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> I ONLY NEED 4.2.1_R1
[00:14] <Nothing_Much> Sheesh, I've been at this for freaking days
[00:14] <kdub> no need to shout
[00:14] <kdub> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/libhardware/
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> oh my god it still doesn't work
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> now it's asking for manifest files
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> I need step by step instructions just to get these damn headers
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> pardon my language
[00:19] <TechieElf> smoku: "make: *** No rule to make target `/home/techieelf/xt907_phablet/out/host/linux-x86/bin/bsdiff', needed by `/home/techieelf/xt907_phablet/out/target/product/xt907/cm_xt907-ota-eng.techieelf.zip'.  Stop." Something went wrong when building?
[00:21] <smoku> TechieElf, or the repo for xt907 is not compatible with trusty-phablet anymore
[00:22] <TechieElf> What can I do?
[00:22] <smoku> TechieElf, fix it :)
[00:22] <TechieElf> How? :P
[00:26] <TechieElf> smoku.. when you say not compatible.. what exactly do you mean?
[00:28] <smoku> TechieElf, requires files which current build does not provide
[00:29] <TechieElf> smoku: As in android propietary blobs?
[00:29] <smoku> bsdiff does not sound like proprietary ;-)
[00:30] <TechieElf> smoku: I have no clue what half of these things are yet.. explain? :3
[00:32] <smoku> TechieElf, I don't have time for crash course. but I will answer specific questions when you have ones
[00:44] <TechieElf> smoku: I grabbed bsdiff's source and plopped it in where it was needed. Hope that was correct.
[01:15] <Thunderkey> any helpful tips for installing touch on a motorola xoom?
[01:21] <TechieElf> smoku the build finished. Can you explain what the different files that were outputted are for?
[02:22] <TechieElf> Any devs still active?
[02:49] <TechieElf> Welcome back, Nothing_Much
[03:15] <TechieElf> Hashcode, you available for a moment? I've built the xt907 phablet zip and flashed it along with the trusty fs, and flashed the ubuntu-boot.img. I'm stuck in a boot loop. Ideas?
[04:13] <AskUbuntu> Install Ubuntu SDK in Pear OS 8 | http://askubuntu.com/q/376288
[05:06] <unpopsicle> does ubuntu touch have that desktop mode yet?
[05:10] <SamZaNemesis> You can run X11 over HDMI, yes
[05:14] <RAOF> Wait, what? Really?
[05:15] <SamZaNemesis> Ubuntu Touch REQUIRES VT support, required to run X, and it happens to include X as well, since Ubuntu touch at it's core is Android Linux you can change the framebuffer for X to the MHL port
[05:16] <RAOF> I guess you can use fbdev there. I didn't know we shipped /usr/bin/Xorg
[05:17] <SamZaNemesis> my builds for Motorola Defy at least ship with X
[05:17] <SamZaNemesis> I wanted to add VT support to my HTC Ville (One S) but I don't know how to do kernel debugging
[05:22] <SamZaNemesis> but yeah, I'm sure most of "Ubuntu for Android" is based on just chrooted ubuntu with a kernel with VT support, but canonical has stopped doing open development because they want to license it to companies
[05:26] <unpopsicle> SamZaNemesis: I thought ubuntu for android was a different project
[05:29] <RAOF> Yeah, 'tis.
[06:10] <SamZaNemesis> Ubuntu for android is a different project
[06:24] <newbie___> hello
[06:25] <newbie___> anyone can help me with some problem
[06:57] <den4ik> how do i start building image for new device? (crespo) all "read me"s seems to be outdated
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <den4ik> good evening
[08:47] <qiuxue> hi
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kindness Day! :-D
[10:27] <jalcine> hi jos
[10:27] <jalcine> next time ask me if you want a PM
[10:27] <jalcine> it's like walking into my house and borrowing a pen and I don't know who you are
[10:28] <jalcine> jos: stop PMing me in private
[10:32] <unpopsicle> jalcine: maybe he wants some sexy text action
[10:32] <jalcine> unpopsicle: lol well I'm not down
[10:45] <mandel_> oSoMoN, ping
[10:45] <ogra_> mandel_, hey, you pinged yesterday
[10:46] <mandel_> ogra_, yes, I had a fix for u-d-m about that upgrade bug, I wondered if you could test it in a device but ti looks like it was also fixed in the server side and in the s-i client side
[10:46] <mandel_> ogra_, we hit 3 bugs at once... impressive
[10:46] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[10:46] <ogra_> well, vila still had some probs today
[10:47] <mandel_> ogra_, yeah, I read the bug, I had not deployed my fix (PS Jenkins is down and I'm waiting on that)
[10:47] <ogra_> (he was stuck on 17 and didnt get an update provided by the UZI but s-i-c worked)
[10:47] <ogra_> *UI
[10:47] <ogra_> yup, i know ...
[10:47] <mandel_> ogra_, the issue with the progress bar is that the progress is calculated based on the number of files.. so when I get to same local paths I'm writing to the same path and that makes the progress funky
[10:48] <ogra_> right ... well, if there is a fix we're all fine ...
[10:48] <ogra_> (once CI is back)
[10:48] <mandel_> ogra_, I've fixed that but nevertheless I've greatly improve u-d-m (going to sound like a project manager) and removed a lot of tech debt
[10:48] <ogra_> :)
[10:48] <mandel_> ogra_, fixes are in trunk and in a saucy branch I have to minimize the diff in saucy
[10:50] <vila> mandel_: ha, progress bar issues make sense then, duplicate files issues are fixed right ? (But not yet available IIUC)
[10:51] <mandel_> vila, yes, it is fixed but not available
[10:51] <vila> great
[10:51] <mandel_> vila, once CI is fixed we will land it
[10:52] <mandel_> didrocks, ping
[10:52] <vila> mandel_: still waiting for feedback on whether CI is plugged (power and network) again, *then* we can start making sure the engine is functional (IP -> name migration)
[10:52] <didrocks> hey mandel_
[10:52] <mandel_> didrocks, hello!
[10:53] <mandel_> didrocks, I'm wondering, I have a fix that was hitting us with u-d-m and si to be landed in lp:ubuntu-download-manager/saucy  (and trunk)
[10:53] <mandel_> didrocks, could we land the one in the saucy branch as soon as CI is back?
[10:53] <didrocks> mandel_: no, apart from really critical fix, we don't land anything else in saucy
[10:53] <didrocks> as told in many emails :)
[10:54] <didrocks> we don't support the saucy build, people in less than a week will migrate to trusty on the stable channel
[10:54] <mandel_> didrocks, it is a critical bug, stops you from upgrading :)
[10:54] <mandel_> didrocks, but we can ignore it, as you wish
[10:54] <didrocks> mandel_: will people on image 100 won't be able to upgrade on image 20?
[10:55] <mandel_> didrocks, it is related with the delta, to be honest I think that they also fixed the bug in the server side and the delta is not longer generated two files with the same path
[10:56] <didrocks> mandel_: ok, so if this can work with the server update only, I would prefer that
[10:56] <didrocks> mandel_: I assume we'll start doing some more tests soon anyway, will keep you posted
[10:56] <mandel_> didrocks, AFAIK it can, we can double check with barry
[10:57] <mandel_> didrocks, great, let me know.. I'm doing a lot of work to make integration tests easier for u-d-m so we might be able to get things more testable
[10:57] <mandel_> didrocks, one small question, do you know any expert with lcov to give me a hand to add coverage reports for u-d-m?
[10:58] <didrocks> mandel_: IIRC, tvoss explored that
[10:58] <mandel_> thx
[10:58] <mandel_> tvoss, ping
[10:58] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <tvoss> mandel_, hey there
[10:59] <mandel_> tvoss, hello! I was wondering if you could give me a hand with gcovr and lcov
[11:00] <mandel_> tvoss, I'm trying to add reports for u-d-m but I'm getting empty files :-/
[11:00] <tvoss> mandel_, udm?
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, sorry, Ubuntu Download Manager (u-d-m) is the daemon that allows to perform long lasting downloads in the phone
[11:02] <tvoss> mandel_, ah okay. I assume that you have a cmake setup?
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, right now, used by system image upgrades, click packages installation and other few thigs
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, well, I have it correctly set up for qmake
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, here -> lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/add-coverage
[11:02] <tvoss> mandel_, why is that? we have ready-made coverage reporting for cmake available
[11:03] <mandel_> tvoss, because u-d-m was stared with qmake before we started using cmake everywhere
[11:03] <tvoss> mandel_, hmmm, would that be a good oppurtunity to switch over to cmake, then?
[11:03] <mandel_> tvoss, and I have not added 'moving to cmake' as one of my priorities right now
[11:04] <tvoss> mandel_, moving to cmake would give you the coverage reporting immediately, plus cross-building, once that works flawlessly ootb
[11:04] <mandel_> tvoss, could.. but I'm the only devel in the project and I have lots of bugs to deal with :-/
[11:04] <mandel_> tvoss, is more of a time issue than anything else
[11:06] <mandel_> tvoss, but I found not related issues to qmake, for example, the lcov version in ubuntu was giving problems
[11:06] <oSoMoN> mandel_, pong
[11:07] <tvoss> mandel_, okay, what kind of lcov issues were you experiencing?
[11:07] <mandel_> oSoMoN, one question, have you started with the downloading sdk?
[11:07] <mandel_> tvoss, let me find the output, one sec (or a few)
[11:08] <oSoMoN> mandel_, nope, afaik the task has been moved to your team, lucky you :)
[11:08] <mandel_> oSoMoN, hahahaha
[11:09] <mandel_> oSoMoN, yes, so I was told, but I wanted to check
[11:09] <mandel_> tvoss, for example => http://paste.ubuntu.com/6405182/
[11:09] <mandel_> tvoss, that is with lcov in ubuntu, if I do a checkout of lcov and install it the issue is fixed
[11:10] <tvoss> interesting, I get the warnings, too, but I have results nevertheless
[11:12] <mandel_> tvoss, might me that I did something in the coverage.pri that is in the project
[11:12] <oSoMoN> mandel_, actually, I had started that a while ago: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/downloadmanager
[11:12] <DJJeff> will apps like google maps, netflix run on ubuntu touch?
[11:12] <oSoMoN> mandel_, it’s only the interfaces as we agreed them, no actual implementation
[11:13] <mandel_> oSoMoN, is a good start nevertheless :)
[11:19] <mandel_> oSoMoN, this is the valid doc, right => https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1fqeIXENmZsY2ziO9_pq3Xt6xVtLVa4xmb009dJxzaQo/edit#heading=h.hvv839nh8gg0
[11:19]  * mandel_ needs to add a url shortening script for his irc client
[11:24] <TechieElf> Hey. Any fellow devs active?
[11:30] <TechieElf> smoku can you help me figure out where I went wrong? I grabbed the source, built it, then flashed the phablet zip, trusty-preinstalled-touch-armf.zip, and ubuntu-boot.img and I'm stuck in a boot loop.
[11:38] <oSoMoN> mandel_, yes
[11:41] <mandel_> oSoMoN, ok, do you mind attending to the vUDS talk about it? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22104/appdev-1311-udm-sdk/
[11:44] <davmor2> ogra_: just updated to 21 and it installed and didn't kill my phone good start
[11:46] <mandel_> tvoss, could you also be present here => http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22104/appdev-1311-udm-sdk/  (if possible)
[11:47] <mandel_> tvoss, I'd like to get your input about the lifecycle  of apps and how we should deal with them from an SDK point of view
[11:47] <tvoss> mandel_, sure
[11:47] <mandel_> tvoss, awesome, thx!
[11:47] <davmor2> seb128: daft question on system settings on maguro it takes an age to change from one view to another is there a reason for that?  I don't know if it is the same for the n4
[11:48] <seb128> davmor2, is that a new issue? and no, we just do standard toolkit use afaik ... is that the only app having that issue?
[11:48] <tvoss> mandel_, subscribed to the blueprint
[11:49] <mandel_> tvoss, thx a lot, I'd really appreciate your input regarding the lifecycle because we will be missing dbus signals when the app is paused or killed and I don't really know what is the recommended things to do
[11:50] <tvoss> mandel_, ack, is there a high-level document that explains how things are wired together?
[11:50] <davmor2> seb128: some of the apps have an initial slow start up but I've grown accustomed to that, they work fairly well after.  I think it slowed in Trusty I'm pretty sure that the app was snappier in Saucy
[11:50] <Guest37186> hello
[11:50] <davmor2> seb128: latter I'll take a video to show you what I mean
[11:50] <seb128> davmor2, check with the toolkit/mir guys maybe, ubuntu-system-settings didn't change since saucy
[11:51] <Guest37186> how to set  audio latency with terminal?
[11:51] <Guest37186> 41k, 4096 on jackd
[11:51] <mandel_> tvoss, I just have a wiki with the dbus API and not a very detail explanation. I'll update the wiki to ad such explanations and will point to the wiki from the blueprint
[11:51] <Guest37186> Cant find a thing
[11:51] <tvoss> mandel_, yup, that would be really helpful, thx
[11:51] <davmor2> seb128: will do thanks
[11:51] <seb128> davmor2, yw
[11:51] <mandel_> tvoss, I do have state machine diagrams (need to update those) on the diff states of the downloads, group downloads and the  download queue, I'll add those to the wiki too
[11:52] <Guest37186> mandel_ do you know the command?
[11:52] <tvoss> mandel_, yeah, whatever you have got :)
[11:52] <Guest37186> to set audio latency with terminal?
[11:53] <mandel_> Guest37186, sorry, no idea
[11:53] <Guest37186> I'm using Jackd but can't find a thing for set Jackd to 41k, 4096 via terminal
[11:54] <davmor2> Guest37186: this is not a help channel, it is developer channel you want to ask on #ubuntu
[11:55] <davmor2> Guest37186: more people there aimed at general help, they should be able to help you.
[11:55] <Guest37186> ok thanks
[11:57] <oSoMoN> mandel_, will od
[11:57] <oSoMoN> do
[11:58] <ogra_> davmor2, good to hear :)
[11:58] <mandel_> oSoMoN, sweet, I'll try to get some people that I know that are interested to join too
[13:03] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: is the tests inside the same TestCase run in any specific order ? and if there are many TestCase in the same qml file, is the component outisde of the TestCases instantiated many times, one per TestCase run, or just once at startup ?
[13:04] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: alphabetical order afaik. it's instantiated once per file
[13:05] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: uff, ok, so there's no way to reset things between test, and we need a qml file per test
[13:05] <nerochiaro> that's kind of cumbersome
[13:05] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: you can use a loader
[13:05] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: hmm, clever
[14:03] <cwayne> mzanetti, ping
[14:03] <mzanetti> hey chris
[14:03] <mzanetti> cwayne: ^
[14:05] <cwayne> hey mzanetti were you looking for me at some point last week?
[14:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: ah yeah. saw your post about the fitbit app. as I was hacking on mine anyways (making it work offline) I also added support for badges
[14:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: had a question there but figured the solution
[14:07] <cwayne> mzanetti, ah, nice!
[14:08] <cwayne> mzanetti, i'm not sure i'd ever release mine at this point, was just a way for me to learn qml :)
[14:08] <mzanetti> cwayne: yeah. but feel free to contribute to mine. the code is on launchpad. for example feeding the infographics would be nice.
[14:09] <cwayne> mzanetti, sure!  i'll have to take a look
[14:09] <cwayne> the one thing that worries me there is i have 0 c++ experience
[14:09] <mzanetti> cwayne: Qt is not C++
[14:09] <mzanetti> well, it is sort of... but makes it much easier
[14:09] <mzanetti> give it a try
[14:10] <cwayne> will do :)
[14:14] <cwayne> dpm, any luck re: evernote account?
[14:16] <dpm> hi cwayne, mardy traced it to be https://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/detail?r=8fb9330ec6b5a3b8363d982e85b639e162fa5508&name=empty-secret-token&repo=signon-plugin-oauth2 - the fix is now pending review and merge and then we'll need to package up signon-plugin-oauth2 with the fix
[14:18] <cwayne> dpm, nice!
[14:18] <cwayne> dpm, ok, so i'll get this account-plugin into a ppa then
[14:18] <cwayne> i assume that means there should be no change to the plugin?
[14:19] <mardy> kenvandine: can you review this? It's important for evernote: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/signon-plugin-oauth2/packaging/+merge/195030
[14:19] <dpm> cwayne, awesome, thanks! Not that I know of, other than adding the Evernote icon to it (my .provider file abused the Twitter icon)
[14:20] <cwayne> dpm, yep, i've taken care of that :)
[14:20] <dpm> great :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> mardy, will do
[14:22] <cwayne> mardy, will that be SRU'd to saucy? or just go into trusty
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne: just trusty, unless someone really needs it on saucy
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne: the package dependencies are not changes, so one can install it manually on saucy, if needed
[14:25] <cwayne> mardy, awesome, thanks
[14:31] <chris_> hi, does ubuntu on the galaxy nexus currently support nfc via nfc-tools?
[14:32]  * ogra_ doesnt think nfc is supported at all yet 
[14:33] <ogra_> we might have a vUDS session for this next week ... tvoss might know
[14:33] <tvoss> ogra_, it is not supported yet. not aware of a session. ChickenCutlass, ^ are you aware of any session on nfc support?
[14:33]  * ogra_ thought that falls under general sensors support somehow
[14:34] <ChickenCutlass> tvoss, no
[14:34] <cwayne> ogra_, hey, are we still waiting on initramfs merges?
[14:34] <ogra_> like compass, magnetometer etc etc
[14:34] <tvoss> ogra_, it's not a sensor, more bluetooth-like
[14:34] <ogra_> ah
[14:35]  * ogra_ has No F*cking Clue about NFC 
[14:35] <ogra_> :P
[14:35] <Stskeeps> libhybris has (at least) nxp nfc support
[14:35] <Stskeeps> you'll need to write the rest of the glue though
[14:35] <ogra_> cwayne, which ones ?
[14:36] <ogra_> we're currently waiting for the CI system to come back after the move
[14:36] <ogra_> (which includes the image testing system too)
[14:37] <cwayne> ogra_, specifically this one, it still needs a top-approve (it'd make sense to wait for jenkins then, i'd forgotten about that) https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/no-hardcoding-user/+merge/194004
[14:38] <ogra_> cwayne, ah, yeah i remember this one ...
[14:38] <ogra_> i'll process it as soon as we have some image test results again (iirc i had added a landing plan entry)
[14:39] <chris_> ok, thank you
[14:39] <cwayne> ogra_, ah, alright, thanks :)
[14:46] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: is there any way to do >= or <= comparisons in QML unit tests ?
[14:46] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: verify()
[14:49] <mardy> kenvandine: I updated that MP with the correct version in the changelog
[14:49] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: no way to do "eventually" with that, right ?
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: no
[14:50] <cwayne> kalikiana, i tried out tedg's MR to add XDG_DATA_DIR to upstart-app-launch, but still no translations :(
[14:50] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: ok thanks
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: well... there is something
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: check out unity8. we have a "tryCompareFunction()"
[14:51] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: that is somewhat like the lambda + Eventually in AP
[14:51] <kenvandine> mardy, thx
[14:51] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: that sounds good
[14:55] <tedg> cwayne, ping me if it looks like my issue.  I'm sure it's not because the tests pass, but you never know ;-)
[14:55] <cwayne> tedg, sure thing :)  although i see XDG_DATA_DIRS being set, so I'm sure its another issue
[14:57] <cwayne> kalikiana, ^
[15:03] <mardy> kenvandine: did you forget to top-approve, or is there some issue? (I see that jenkins is down?)
[15:03] <cjohnston> mardy: the entire lab is still down
[15:04] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, "down" or "in the process of being moved to the data center?" ;)
[15:04]  * ogra_ hopes they didnt leave it running while moving !
[15:04] <cjohnston> both?
[15:05] <cjohnston> down because it's in process of being moved
[15:06] <kenvandine> mardy, didn't forget, just didn't do it :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> mardy, feel free to top-approve
[15:07] <mardy> kenvandine: ok :-)
[15:07] <kenvandine> i usually don't do that until CI passes, but I guess that isn't happening today :/
[15:11] <firelmnt> why isn't this file (.repo/local_manifests/roomservice.xml) in the repo for building ubuntu-touch? Could someone help?
[15:14] <kalikiana> cwayne: how do you test it? I see no .deb files from jenkins there on a quick look; though I'm about to run, I'll be back later
[15:14] <cwayne> kalikiana, i pbuilt it and pushed it manually
[15:14] <cwayne> kalikiana, it is setting XDG_DATA_DIR, but it's still not translated
[15:29] <mandel_> vila, ping
[15:30] <vila> mandel_: pong but entering a meeting
[15:30] <mandel_> vila, any idea of the state of CI?
[15:30] <mandel_> vila, a monosilable answers is enough :)
[15:31] <vila> mandel_: I'm waiting for a mail summary :-/
[15:31] <mandel_> vics, thx
[15:31] <mandel_> vics, sorry
[15:31] <mandel_> vila, thx
[15:39] <cwayne> mardy, so is the merge happening today or are we waiting for jenkins
[15:50] <lool> sergiusens: I guess you cant release music-app without the jenkins that does the builds?
[15:52] <sergiusens> lool, I can manually do it; but do we want to?
[15:53] <sergiusens> lool, we need to either merge something new or update the version in the manifest (merging something new is in the pipeline)
[15:56] <lool> sergiusens: Ok
[16:23] <tvoss> seb128, hey, I'm searching for a high-level document describing the system settings app
[16:23] <seb128> tvoss, hey, I don't think we have one
[16:23] <tvoss> seb128, who would be the best person to talk to if I have got specific questions then?
[16:24] <seb128> tvoss, that channel seems about right, what sort of questions?
[16:24] <tvoss> seb128, I was more after a person that can walk me through the code and explain common patterns and design decisions to me. Would that be mardy?
[16:24] <seb128> tvoss, Laney, mardy, tedg, kenvandine and I are the most actives on it
[16:25] <tvoss> seb128, ack and thx
[16:25] <seb128> tvoss, I doubt there is such things, different panels have been handled by different people
[16:25] <seb128> tvoss, mardy bootstrapped the project but didn't get involved a lot recently
[16:25] <cwayne> mterry, ping
[16:25] <mterry> cwayne, hello!
[16:26] <seb128> tvoss, the panel are mostly qml UI with cpp backends, some of them who have lot in common with indicators reuse their backend over unitymenumodel
[16:27] <ogra_> seb128, oh, that reminds me ... we'll have a session about developer mode (and UI switch integration of the same in teh settings) should i invite someone of your team to that ?
[16:27] <cwayne> mterry, how can i change the language programatically?
[16:27] <cwayne> mterry, this is going back to the customizing locale business
[16:27] <mterry> cwayne, well...  it won't take effect until you reboot, but you could do it with a dbus-send command.  Is that good enough?
[16:28] <seb128> ogra_, on what track is that session? I would like to be there, but vUDS sucks for track lead (I need to host sessions on client 1 so I can't join another discussion while hosting, even if I'm not participating in what I host)
[16:28] <cwayne> mterry, hm, that's a good start at least
[16:28] <ogra_> seb128, if it ever gets scheduled (hey slangasek) it will be on the core track
[16:29] <seb128> ogra_, ok, if it's not client 1 I can't easily come, maybe Laney would be interested to represent us?
[16:29] <Laney> could do
[16:30] <Laney> we'll need a designer though
[16:30] <ogra_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-complete-developer-mode-integration
[16:30] <Laney> s/designer/design/
[16:30] <ogra_> thats the blueprint
[16:31] <mterry> cwayne, dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetLanguage string:en
[16:32] <cwayne> mterry, thanks.  so is there any possible way to preseed it so that a reboot isn't necessary?
[16:32] <slangasek> ogra_: which session?
[16:32] <mterry> cwayne, oh well then you could just change the system language...  let me see
[16:33] <mterry> cwayne, that's in /etc/default/locale
[16:33] <ogra_> slangasek, three actually, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-complete-developer-mode-integration https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-early-boot-animation and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-low-battery-boot-mode
[16:33] <ogra_> slangasek, all for the core track
[16:33] <cwayne> mterry, and thats in writable-paths?
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, don't know
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, if it's not, you can drop a file in /var/lib/AccountsService/user/phablet with the key set for the use
[16:34] <mterry> r
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, see current file for format
[16:34] <slangasek> ogra_: ok, I think I have them scheduled in a reasonably conflict-free manner
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, you would want to set the Language key
[16:34] <ogra_> slangasek, thanks a lot !
[16:35] <cwayne> mterry, ah, perfect
[16:35] <cwayne> mterry, what if i did that dbus-send before unity starts? would it still need a reboot?
[16:35] <mterry> cwayne, you'd really have to do it before lightdm starts, but no, it wouldn't need a reboot
[16:36] <cwayne> mterry, ah, great, i'll play around with that then
[16:36] <rsalveti> slangasek: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-touch-emulator
[16:36] <cwayne> mterry, perhaps i'll just do it as an upstart job before lightdm/unity8 start
[16:37] <cwayne> mterry, would that be 'the right way to do it'?
[16:38] <mterry> cwayne, I guess?..  It sounds like setting /etc/defaults/locale would be best.  But I guess if that's readonly, that's a nonstarter, unless you want to poke a hole for it
[16:39] <mterry> cwayne, you can't spin a new image for what you're doing?
[16:39] <cwayne> mterry, i can spin the custom bits
[16:39] <mterry> cwayne, well then you could edit that file, eh?
[16:39] <ogra_> mterry, i thought the locales are set in ~/.pam-environment (iirc seb128 mentioned that)
[16:39] <seb128> ogra_, they are
[16:40] <seb128> ogra_, well for the user at least
[16:40] <ogra_> so i guess updating it there should work
[16:40] <mterry> seb128, what about AccountsService's Language key?
[16:40] <cwayne> mterry, we don't have a mechanism to copy stuff to /etc atm though
[16:40] <cwayne> we do have a mechanism to copy to ~
[16:40] <cwayne> and we can edit other stuff by doing upstart jobs i suppose
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, we go through accountsservice's dbus method to write the config so I guess that has a correct value?
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, but pam doesn't use AS
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, do the way it's applied to the sessions is through pam/.pam_environment, which works for text login etc as well
[16:42] <mterry> seb128, ogra_: ah yeah, AS just sets .pam_environment
[16:42] <mterry> cwayne, so that would be another option for you ^
[16:43] <cwayne> mterry, ok, i'm just trying to figure out which one is the generally preferred way
[16:43] <cwayne> or 'the right way' :)
[16:43] <mterry> cwayne, AS is an abstraction layer for .pam_environment in this case.  Either way is fine
[16:44] <mterry> cwayne, it *sounds* like you already have easy way to preseed ~ files, so maybe .pam_environment is best for you
[16:46] <cwayne> we have an easy way, but it's generally considered the 'hackier' way to do it tbh
[16:46] <cwayne> mterry, i'll play around with an upstart job and see what works best
[17:05] <cwayne> Cimi, ping
[17:16] <davmor2> hey guys if you turn bluetooth off an come back to your phone in an hour is it turned back on?
[17:19]  * ogra_ hasnt checked that, but i know it gets turned on after reboot 
[17:23] <didrocks> mhall119: not sure youmissed my ping from yesterday, but I think I asked you to move the CI Airline discussion on Tuesday to 4PM
[17:24] <janimo> ogra_, rsalveti should we have a vUDS session dedicated fully to x86 images? Some will be touched in the Qt session but we'd need one for most of the rest of the work items
[17:25] <didrocks> mhall119: and as well, you didn't move the "make click apps runnable from the unity7 dash" in the client2 track
[17:25] <rsalveti> janimo: we could probably have one, might be useful indeed
[17:25] <rsalveti> janimo: mind leading it?
[17:25] <sanyo_steve> OT: The Edge ;   she lives  !!    For Ebay tells me so ... http://r.ebay.com/2O1dPH   Ghehe .
[17:25] <cwayne> kenvandine, is there a session for account plugins as clicks (mainly how to deal with dependencies etc)?
[17:25] <kenvandine> cwayne, not that i know of
[17:26] <ogra_> janimo, seems to make sense to me ... though i guess most bits we will hit are not really predictable
[17:27] <ogra_> but we should at least list the obvious bits
[17:27] <rsalveti> janimo: and creating support for the x86 emulator might be the easier way to go
[17:27] <rsalveti> unless we have a device in hands :-)
[17:28] <cwayne> kenvandine, would it make sense to have one? or is it not quite worth it
[17:28] <kenvandine> it might already be well defined, not sure
[17:28] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^
[17:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'm more concerned about the gl x gles issue
[17:29] <ogra_> ++
[17:29] <cwayne> i know the click hooks themselves will be easy enough, just didn't know about dependencies, etc
[17:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, but that will likely be covered in the Qt session
[17:29] <rsalveti> yeah
[17:41] <mardy> cwayne, kenvandine: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1311-online-accounts
[17:41] <mardy> at least partially :-)
[17:41] <janimo> rsalveti, ogra I'll se about setting something up
[17:41] <ogra_> thx
[17:41] <cwayne> mardy, awesome thanks :)
[17:42] <janimo> rsalveti, even with the emulator we'd still need the images being built. That is the main blocker IMHO from an infrastructure PoV as it is not really doable by most people
[17:42] <janimo> unlike the various x86 specific bugfixes across android and packages that may come up
[17:45] <rsalveti> right, indeed
[17:52]  * janimo registered a blueprint then was lead elsewhere by launchpad. Needs to find it now
[18:07] <janimo> ogra_, rsalveti this is the meeting URL but I can't seem to be able to register a blueprint
[18:07] <janimo> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22114/ubuntu-touch-for-x86/
[18:11] <cwayne> tedg, hey, your MR for upstart-app-launch will add the app dir to the XDG_DATA_DIRS right? as in, it doesn't overwrite it to *just* include the app_dir?
[18:25] <inblueswithu> Hi, I read ubuntu only officially support nexus devices. Can i install ubuntu on my android device like sony mobile ? If so, what problems are likely?
[18:31] <ogra_> inblueswithu, there are some community ports, see the devices wikipage (though they are usually a bit behind in features and function)
[18:32] <ogra_> !devices | inblueswithu
[18:32] <inblueswithu> ubot5: ogra_: thankyou :) I'll look into it
[18:32] <ogra_> :)
[18:32] <ogra_> silly bot
[18:33] <inblueswithu> ya.. :P silly thing
[18:33] <inblueswithu> but it got me correctly
[18:58] <Jsanchez> Hello everyone, I'm wondering what's the status on ubuntu touch on galaxy S4 besides the few posts on forums, Can my device be a test subject, can I help in anyway?
[19:01] <beuno> Jsanchez, there is no official support for the device
[19:01] <beuno> nor is there any planned
[19:02] <beuno> so whatever people are doing in the forums, that would be it  :)
[19:02] <Jsanchez> beuno, that's a bummer, I have this good piece of hardware with shitty OS, *snif*
[19:32] <TechieElf> Any fellow devs active?
[19:42] <TechieElf> Hashcode, o great one, I have an issue with the Xt907 port. Can you help me?
[19:51] <TechieElf> Any devs?
[20:00] <TechieElf> xnox can you help me possibly?
[20:01] <xnox> TechieElf: i advise you to send your queries to ubuntu-phone mailing list, such that everyone can answer them, no matter which timezone they are in.
[20:01] <xnox> TechieElf: only a fraction of people idle here on IRC.
[20:02] <TechieElf> xnox: I understand that and I will try that approach. Thank you.
[20:14] <bfiller> kenvandine: where is best place to find qml api for content-hub?
[20:15] <kenvandine> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Content/
[20:15] <kenvandine> bfiller,  ^^
[20:15] <bfiller> kenvandine: awesome thanks
[20:15] <kenvandine> np
[20:18] <mostkaj> Hi all. Has anyone tried ubuntu on nexus 5 ?
[20:30] <genii> TechieElf: Did you check to see if your issue on the page of known problems already? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/xt907
[20:55] <AskUbuntu> Why I do not find any tutorail for Scope and Python for Ubuntu 13.10 | http://askubuntu.com/q/376633
[20:56] <mostkaj> Its posible to install ubuntu touch on nexus 5?
[20:59] <mostkaj> its possible to install ubuntu touch on nexus 5 ?
[20:59] <beuno> mostkaj, not currently supported, no
[21:06] <sergiusens> mostkaj, wait for it
[21:08] <sergiusens> mostkaj, it's coming for this cycle most likely
[21:09] <Tassadar> it is?!
[21:09] <ogra_> pretty likely, yes
[21:09] <ogra_> no final word yet though
[21:09] <Tassadar> yaay)
[21:10] <ogra_> and a lot of work ... since we need to move to android 4.4
[21:10] <Tassadar> yeah, I didn't expect you to do that Oo
[21:10] <Tassadar> (and that means flo will get at least unofficial ports, too, nice)
[21:11] <sergiusens> Tassadar, it's sort of required for newer hw; so we are aiming for it
[21:12] <Tassadar> well, that's one decision done, i'm getting N5 and not n4 ^^
[21:13] <balloons> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/fix-shuffle-test/+merge/195129
[21:14] <sergiusens> balloons, works without the qml changes as well?
[21:15] <balloons> sergiusens, no I grabbed his changes.. I just started playing with the branch and upped the failure count on it.. it ran fine out of the box on my nexus doing that, so I pushed it and jenkins was ok with it also
[21:15] <balloons> that is the only difference between brancges
[21:16] <balloons> I don't like how they implemented shuffle
[21:16] <sergiusens> balloons, doh, saw the qml and thought it was python code :-/
[21:16] <sergiusens> :-)
[21:17] <sergiusens> balloons, I haven't seen it tbh
[21:45] <AskUbuntu> Huawei E173 modem always need a restart to get detected | http://askubuntu.com/q/376649
[22:28] <virtual-liquid> hello
[22:28] <virtual-liquid> anyone there ?
[22:29] <popey> yes virtual-liquid
[22:30] <virtual-liquid> I was in hopes, that someone here could guide me in the direction of downloading the ubuntu touch distro for my x86 ibm thinkpad x200 tablet.... :/
[22:31] <virtual-liquid> Or what other good tablet / touch distros would be to try?
[22:31] <popey> We haven't made a version of touch specifically for x86 tablets, but if you install ubuntu, you can try out unity 8 I believe.
[22:31] <virtual-liquid> hmm, ok ill check it out now .
[22:33] <virtual-liquid> Unity 8 work with 64 bit version?
[22:35] <popey> virtual-liquid: yes, but I haven't tested it myself on x86_64
[22:35] <virtual-liquid> thanks, watching a video on unity 8 now, looks good. downloading 13.10 to install.. :)
[23:30] <Gallomimia> ah, finally got my irc working again!
[23:31] <Gallomimia> i'm having some trouble trying to flash this unsupported tablet i have. so far all i know is that adb devices gives: ????????????	no permissions
[23:35] <xnox> Gallomimia: try $ sudo adb devices
[23:35] <Gallomimia> yes i did that, same result
[23:38] <Gallomimia> who the hell made this? uh.... it just says D2pad "internet tablet"
[23:42] <Gallomimia> anyway, this is a really neat tablet, but the software that's on it runs worse than a brick. therefore, i shall get ubuntu to run on it for the benefit of myself and others. period
[23:46] <TechieElf> Hello guys, I'm back to nag some more :P
[23:50] <cwayne> \o/ translated click apps
[23:53] <Gallomimia> alright so google has helped me figure out that i should look for a vendor ID for this device. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640158 any ideas how to find it?