=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:02] morning all === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [08:52] good morning everyone. [08:54] morning brobostigon [08:54] morning MooDoo [08:54] Good morning! [08:56] morning hrh popey [08:56] How is everyone this fine day. [08:57] sneezy, and jobcentre signon day. [08:57] 9am and I'm downloading drivers for my amiga. it's a good day! [09:09] Morning all [09:16] Goooooood Morning! [09:17] ali1234: Another bitcoin hack http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/13/bitcashcz_burgled_and_closed/ [09:17] Morning all. [09:18] never heard of them either [09:18] ali1234: I'm beginning to think that's viewed as a feature when it comes to bitcoin exchanges [09:19] they seem to all prefer something that was knocked together by some kid after school one day to anything remotely designed [09:19] ali1234: I guess there are a lot of small exchanges [09:19] which is partly why I'm remaining distrustful of bitcoin in general - it's not that it's immature per se, it's that nobody particularly involved appears capable of foresight [09:21] Is there some form into which I can paste a MySQL bug number and find out which debian packages have patched it? It's not a security vuln [09:22] Oh. It's still in 5.6.12 apparently so I don't expect it's been patched anywhere in 5.1... [09:23] I don't think thats a bitcoin problem specifically, even regular banks get hacked & funds siphoned off, but they're normally covered up to protect the banks reputation, bitcoin is probably just gets more publicity at the moment because its comparatively new and the small exchanges don't have the deposits and the influence to keep a hack/theft quiet [09:24] that and bank deposits are protected [09:25] surely the difference is that banks have reserves and checks and regulation that says if any money goes missing the bank is responsible for ensuring the customer is treated fairly [09:25] bitcoin has none of that [09:25] banks don't have reserves [09:26] well they should [09:26] SuperMatt: What banks have is influence to be able to hide a hack/theft, to my eyes, bitcoin is a lot more public, so when something goes wrong, it goes wrong in public [09:27] ali1234: Would you say that was a fair assesment [09:27] not really [09:27] aren't banks insured by the state? I'd have thought there's some equivalence to the FDIC in the US [09:28] it's more like: fiat currency doesn't exist in the first place, so it's impossible to rob banks of any significant amount, since it's impossible for them to hold a reserve of something that doesn't exist [09:28] well it physically exists (as in, paper with numbers on them) [09:28] the idea that banks lend out some fraction of deposits is completely untrue [09:28] the only thing banks have is debt [09:29] shauno: Upto a limit of (I think) £30K if the bank completely crumbles (eg RBS & Lloyds), but a few million here or there is generally kept quiet & covered out of bank profits [09:29] well, they often have assets too, but they are a fraction of the debt rather than the other way around [09:31] but, yeah, the bigger problem than the perceived transparency is that when bitcoin goes wrong people other than the exchange lose out. When a bank goes wrong they must compensate their customers [09:31] and since there's no regulation of the exchanges there's not a huge incentive to be any good [09:31] no, actually , that's not true either [09:31] bank despotis are insured by the government [09:31] when a bank crashes, the public pays via taxes [09:32] yeah, I meant for problems smaller than crashes, which are substantially less frequent in banks than they are in bitcoin exchanges [09:32] bitcoin exchanges regularly pay for smaller mistakes [09:32] by 'go wrong' I mean 'gets broken into/compromised/robbed' [09:33] if they didn't they would quickly lose all their customers [09:33] oh, maybe I've not been paying enough attention recently [09:33] you just don't hear about it unless you have an account at the specific exchange [09:34] you should really trust any exchange that hasn't been hacked [09:34] there doesn't seem to be any legal response in these though. that's the unnerving bit [09:34] it's only a matter of time really [09:35] The last couple bitcoin thefts that have been publicised appear to be more a case that the entire exchange has been wiped out either by internal/external theft leaving them with nothing, which would be comparable with Barclays having every fund held on deposit transferred out & the bank crashing [09:35] if 1m GBP is taken from a bank, there's a taskforce. if the equivalence in BTC is hacked, there's a slashdot article [09:35] also you shouldn't treat exchanges like banks in the first place [09:35] DJones: yeah, that's cos you never hear about the small hacks that they recover from [09:36] ali1234: Agreed [09:36] Thats the same as the major banks, small (to them) thefts don't get reported either [09:37] for example when btc-e were hacked the hacker could only withdraw the hot wallet (which is like robbing only the tills but not the vault) [09:58] Good morning all; happy World Kindness Day! :-D [09:59] :-* [09:59] JamesTait: pah get stuffed ;) [09:59] JamesTait: what kind? [09:59] MartijnVdS, what kind of kindness? [10:00] just the regular kind, I guess? [10:00] * JamesTait hands MooDoo a coffee. [10:00] kindness? http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2011/09/Doctor-Who-The-Girl-Who-Waited-100911.jpg [10:00] JamesTait: thanks sie! [10:00] s/sie/sir [10:00] Thank you popey, very kind of you. :) [10:01] MooDoo: "Danken Sie" is (almost?) German :) [10:01] Ahh - Amy Pond. Can I say "phwaaar"? [10:02] is he looking through a magnifying glass at her bottom? [10:02] Looks that way. [10:02] that's her husband [10:02] so he's allowed to do that [10:03] He also looks quite astonished at what he sees. [10:08] http://www.supermatt.net/2013/11/my-response-to-the-government-response/ [10:09] I just emailed my MP with this [10:13] oh goodie, her surgury is open Friday morning, and I happen to have the day off work [10:13] I know what I shall be doing [10:20] I forgot the topic had switched from Amy Pond and was a bit confused by those last two lines [10:20] BigRedS: well she WAS the doctor's companion [10:21] speakign of which.. tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hybnv [10:22] Oh yeah, I want to see that [10:26] SuperMatt / MooDoo how are the hangouts going? [10:26] popey: supermatt has done quite a few, I don't have my invite from google yet, so don't have a helpout url. [10:27] they seem to be going ok, although from what SuperMatt has been saying a lot of helpouts he's done have been a lot more involved that new users [10:27] s/than [10:27] indeed [10:27] not surprised really [10:27] ubuntu just isn't that hard to use [10:28] and it's a little frustrating that large numbers of people keep not turning up [10:28] if you can't figure out how to install it, you probably can't figure out how to use hangouts either [10:28] SuperMatt: do you charge? if so, do you still get pad if people don't show? [10:28] I don't charge [10:29] well... maybe you should? [10:29] if they don't show for a paid one, you get 50% of the first 15 minutes of a per minute charge [10:29] it's a tricky balance [10:29] i would charge at least 25p/minute [10:30] that's £15 an hour, and some of the helpouts go on to about that [10:30] it's way more than I want to charge people [10:30] yes, exactly [10:31] an alternative I've been thinking about running is changing people a nominal fee, say £5 an hour, and then paying it back to people when theyd o show [10:31] why not charge people? [10:31] and why not charge people a fair amount for the work? [10:31] yeah, that's what I'd do [10:32] £15/hour is cheap for "phone" one-on-one support, when you don't have to go through first line [10:32] I think as it's a new idea, we're taking it slow, charging people will probably come when we've ironed out the kinks [10:33] google are looking in to options for charging for no shows, but still allowing free sessions [10:34] but I might start charging a fiver [10:34] because the no shows have really put me off doing it [10:34] well [10:34] part of the reason for no-show is not charging [10:34] sure [10:34] if you charge people are more likely to come [10:35] indeed [10:35] even if you only charge £1 it will get rid of the timewasters [10:35] true [10:36] I'm gonna try 10p a minute, we can see how things go [10:37] whats the average for existing tech support people? [10:37] there's a lot of free stuff going on [10:38] some people run two, a sort of free clinic, and a paid version [10:38] $1/m seems common [10:39] what I might do is have my "free clinic" always run from 6.30-7.30, and after that you have to pay [10:42] I'll run that as an experiment next week [10:43] you should blog more ☻ [10:43] should I? [10:43] yes [10:43] and yes [10:43] about my experiences with helpouts? [10:44] there, I've configured a free clinic helpout (waiting for review) and a paid version [10:47] yes, there's only one post so far [10:47] righto [10:47] I'll do it later today [10:47] busy now writing an internal wiki entry on cgroups [10:49] what did people do before wikis? [10:53] copious amounts of word documents, which got emailed around so everyone had different versions [10:54] people still do that [10:54] very true [10:58] Morning all [10:58] morning davmor2 [10:59] Ow do MooDoo === joshmyers is now known as bubu === bubu is now known as bubu\a [11:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkDJk5_9eU someone has been doing odd things to their geekos [11:07] Good morning peeps :) [11:07] moring bigcalm [11:08] Howdy MooDoo [11:10] :D [11:10] christ [11:10] arsen: what a greeting, but no, MooDoo is fine ;) [11:10] :D [11:10] i'm not sure SuSE should be allowed to do that [11:11] bigcalm: you having steak tonight by any chance? [11:11] davmor2: we shall see. No guarantee [11:11] davmor2: I see we might have a Mr Evil with us tonight [11:12] davmor2: what are the chances that Pete shows up just to taunt him? :) [11:12] bigcalm: I know I nearly fell outta my seat when I saw that :D [11:12] bigcalm: nil Pete is a wuss [11:12] arsen: oh dear, hmmm we could do our own....what does popey say? [11:12] Hehe [11:13] I think it's a surprisingly well done spoof [11:13] it is, but .. suse? really? :/ [11:13] What does the jonno say? Community-community-community-community-community [11:13] czajkowski: goes aloha, bigcam goes....oh I see it now ;) [11:13] having to suffer SuSE on a daily basis, and having recently interacted with some of their employees - i'm surprised they came up with that. [11:14] kinda surprised the video hasn't had more views [11:14] but yeah, suse [11:14] shame it wasn't a tux one inspired one. [11:14] What video are you peeps talking about? [11:14] that makes no sense, but you understand what i tried to type. [11:14] hasn't had more views [11:14] 10:14 < popey> but yeah, suse [11:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkDJk5_9eU [11:14] shouldn't they be fixing yast rather than making silly videos? [11:14] this one BigRedS [11:14] ^ [11:15] BigRedS: Perhaps this is what they do in the long dark evenings [11:15] mission accomplished though, we all saw it ☻ [11:15] you do realise we'll have to do one "what does the tahr say" before next april ;) [11:15] presumably it was made for the conference which is currently happening? [11:15] on that note - anyone used an alternative to NIS/YP in an enterprise environment? ideally with ubuntu? [11:16] hah i got an invite to that, ali1234 [11:16] Oh my, that was a bit silly [11:16] liny goes...pangolin goes .... and the ocelot says ow ow ow ;) [11:17] ok i'll shut up [11:17] MooDoo: no, because by april the meme will be older than it already is [11:17] it would be like making spoofs of the "I'm a PC" apple advert [11:17] Hello Novell! [11:17] that could actually be quite funny [11:17] hehe I know just making me smile :D [11:18] being funny and being current are different things [11:18] pah! [11:18] yeah, but you could do it ironically, in order to make fun of suse [11:19] oh, meta [11:19] arsen: People tend to use ldap these days [11:20] "would you like to come to the SuSE conference?" " .. i'd rather fork my own eyes out." [11:20] one conference is very much like another [11:20] crap? :) [11:20] well it beats working [11:20] i duno, i've been to some... [11:21] free food and booze is nice, and if its somewhere expenses paid in a nice location with travel.. maybe. [11:21] ali1234: the conferency bit, perhaps. But the reason to go is the lunch and that is a variable [11:21] MooDoo: the Tahr bleets it's a goat D'oh. That or it sings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI [11:21] UDS in Texas had an awesome BBQ [11:22] popey: was that the one where you went with a beach ball? [11:22] no, that was Oakland [11:23] That photo still haunts me [11:23] hah [11:23] ;) [11:24] Oh, photos are slowly emerging from the wedding [11:24] I just did the Fujitsu one, it was a great .. event? [11:24] Who wants a laugh? [11:24] o/ bigcalm [11:25] uhoh [11:26] haha [11:27] bigcalm: go on then [11:27] popey: only from the photo booth so far. I note that you didn't use it? [11:27] the suspense... [11:27] http://hayleyandiainaregettingmarried.com/photos/nggallery/photos/photo-booth/ [11:27] ahh, no [11:28] * penguin42 wonders what that domain name is for [11:29] Unless you know the people in the photos, I guess they won't be that funny [11:29] penguin42: maybe I should have registered hayleyandiaingotmarried.com as well [11:30] bigcalm: why does the bottom one of sweets actually suit him [11:30] popey: AlanBell: if either of you took photos and fancy sending them to me, we'd really appreciate it :) [11:31] davmor2: Ad was determined to keep a sullen expression the entire time. I made him laugh for the last one though :D [11:33] http://www.ekoore.com/web/it/prodotti/go-watch/go-watch-2/panoramica-22.html [11:34] €130 nice [11:35] Bluetooth is a drain though [11:37] looks cool popey, i'm still not convinced there's a proper market for those though, unless it totally replaces the phone itself. [11:39] i would buy a nice looking watch with a nice oled screen even if it wasn't a "smart" watch as long as it wasn't stupidly expensive [11:46] My watch buzzed and told me my SD card would be delivered shortly. [11:46] dwatkins: And then the watch ejected the SD card? [11:50] haha [12:00] why doesn't autossh actually work? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:56] https://medium.com/thoughts-on-creativity/6f4cb1886d41 [12:56] it'll all end in tears when the house burns down and the dinos steal the car [13:07] my chair is now listing heavily [13:07] distressing creaks with every movement [13:07] might need to replace it ... [13:19] ali1234: I find you have to provide a numer with the -M option which isn't in use by another process, so I have an alias that uses -M $RANDOM in the line [13:19] *number [13:26] is there an easy way to get Flash to work from a USB stick having booted raring? [13:26] I don't see a flashplayer entry in the apt-cache search output [13:28] you need to enable to extra sources [13:28] only main is enabled in the iso [13:28] ah yes, I'm not installing so it never asked me the question [13:29] flash is in multiverse [13:29] where does the .so file live inside the mozille installation directory, then? I can't see a plugins dir in /usr/share/mozilla [13:29] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [13:29] ah cool, I'll just create the directory, thanks SuperMatt [13:30] you're welcome [13:31] sadly that appears not to be enough, perhaps it'll go into my homedirectory ok [13:32] maybe [13:32] fingers crossed [13:32] I could just install chromium, but I'm determined now ;) [13:33] XPS 12 - works fine with Ubuntu, except for one bug (if you keep the touch screen enabled, the trackpad doesn't do more than "basic mouse" features) [13:33] heh https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sqlserver/editions/2012-editions/express.aspx [13:33] (scroll down) [13:33] (the rotating screen Dell laptop) [13:33] popey: nice community logo ;) [13:34] bingo [13:34] they almost look like a group of friends in a circle [13:34] dwatkins: *um bongo? [13:34] it needed me to copy libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/firefox/[$RANDOM_REFERENCE].default/plugins/ [13:34] hehe [13:35] dwatkins: yeah, that would deffo work :) [13:35] any reason why you didn't just want to install from multiverse? [13:35] SuperMatt: not sure how I'd enable that after booting from USB [13:36] edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d [13:36] no [13:36] ah yes [13:36] done it before, come to think of it [13:36] edit /etc/apt/sources.list [13:36] so long ago, when I installed 8.04, probably [13:36] that was my first ubuntu [13:36] haven't looked back since [13:40] TheOpenSourcerer: You've reported that you've now got Android 4.3 on your SGS3. Are you running stock? I'm still stuck on 4.1.2 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:42] SuperMatt: neither had I until the recent political fun with Mir vs Weyland, not sure how things might pan-out. [13:54] Hmm, 4.4 is supposed to hit the N7 today [13:56] It hasn't hit mine or my wifes yet [13:56] ditto [13:56] popey: old or new? or both>? [13:56] both [13:56] n10 too [13:57] Ours are new models [13:57] popey: OK, I'll probably get a call from my mother then :) [13:58] bigcalm: are you running stock as it's not been upgraded from 4.1.2 yet [13:58] MooDoo: I'm running whatever came with the phone from T-Mobile [13:59] bigcalm: i'm only running 4.3 as i'm using cyanogenmod [13:59] MooDoo: so Samsung's own fun [13:59] bigcalm: yeah basically updates from samsung are pants [13:59] android sucks for updates [14:00] For a 65 year old looking to buy a new desktop machine, for use with email/internet/word processing etc, can you think of a reason not to buy a cheapish machine with a celeron processor, he's not going to be a power user [14:00] directhex: not on Nexuses [14:00] carrier based android sucks, if you have a nexus it doesn't [14:00] no, it sucks on nexuses too, compared to iphone [14:00] it's just far far worse on not-nexus [14:01] ios7 nuff said lol ha ha ha ha haha ha ha [14:01] bigcalm: Yep - stock SGS3 not rooted. Got a note to update yesterday afternoon... [14:01] TheOpenSourcerer: which network? [14:01] Vodafone [14:01] Okay, ta [14:01] np [14:03] MooDoo, yes, ios 7. which runs on iphone 4 (june 2010), i.e. iphones have >3 years of OS updates [14:04] MooDoo, that's older than the nexus S, which received its last OS update in October 2012 [14:04] directhex: i was having a bit of fun sorry :D [14:06] bigcalm: mine has the update available and I have no sim in it :) [14:07] Ah, I see [14:07] I bet it's because I have an early release of the hardware [14:08] bigcalm: just go into setting and click on the update option [14:08] bigcalm: I thought that got changed didn't you send it back? [14:09] davmor2: I did, but they sent the same device back [14:09] I've gone to software update many times. It always says I have the latest version installed [14:09] bigcalm: Settings → About Device → Check for updates [14:09] Yes, I know [14:11] directhex: what's the apple policy? last 3 supported devices get updates or something? [14:12] popey, no hard & fast policy afaik. just "3 years ish" seems to apply [14:12] no ios 7 for 3gs, but ios 6 was on there [14:12] if( steve_needs_new_yacht() ) { [14:13] awilkins: tim* [14:13] dont_update(); [14:13] } else { [14:13] do_update(); [14:13] }{ [14:13] steve got a new yacht, and it's hideous :/ [14:13] bigcalm: switch of mobile data and then try on just wifi [14:13] shauno: yeah it came through my town [14:14] shauno: http://www.alphens.nl/nieuws/overig/6428,iboat-van-steve-jobs-door-alphen.html [14:14] MartijnVdS, The code hasn't been updated yet [14:14] davmor2: no change [14:14] awilkins: lesson: use titles/roles, not individual names ;) [14:14] lol, 'jacht' just loks wrong [14:14] MartijnVdS, But yachts are such a personal preference... [14:15] shauno: it's pronounced the same, almost :) [14:15] bigcalm: sucks to be you dude :D [14:15] :P [14:18] my ipad is still rocking ios 5 [14:18] still gets used very often, more so than the newer/faster android tablets [14:19] I almost never use my Xoom, but I do use my Chromebook a lot [14:19] keyboard++ [14:20] I use my Xoom quite a bit. It took a star role at my wedding [14:20] bigcalm: so you could remember your vows/ [14:20] :P [14:20] I thought the star roles was meant to be hers :p [14:21] I said 'a', not 'the' [14:21] It was used as the photobooth [14:21] oh that's a cute idea :) [14:21] bigcalm: Think I might have been one of the (un)lucky ones then... http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/521732/20131113/samsung-galaxy-s3-4-3-jelly-bean.htm [14:21] my sister is marrying next summer, suggesting that now :) [14:22] Are we discussing kitkat updates? [14:22] awilkins: any android updates :) [14:22] Talking about this version of Android is going to amuse me all the time. [14:22] Mine went to 4.3 yesterday evening. [14:22] I'm still on Gingerbread ;) [14:22] I'm on cyanogenmod, just waiting for 4.4 nightlies [14:23] I'm on CM 7.2, but my phone's so old they stopped updating it with new builds. [14:23] I read with interest the new CM installer is now on Google Play. [14:23] TheOpenSourcerer: ah. I wonder if the SGS3 will see any more updates or if that's it [14:23] Nexii 4 and 7.0, quite OK with where they are right now [14:23] dwatkins: they've even stopped updating the xoom now (cyanogen) [14:25] heh, we have a Xoom in the office, it's a beast [14:27] My wife loves the Tesco Hudl I gave her [14:27] They're selling those at the Tesco near here, looks like a fairly good and recent Android version. [14:28] My mother-in-law just got one on her Clubcard points [14:28] "Hudl"? A web 2.0 name! [14:28] free? [14:28] For my daughter for Christmas [14:28] dwatkins, All but a tenner [14:30] nice [14:30] I prefer to use clubcard points on meals out. Get 4 times the face value that way [14:31] I actually don't have one [14:31] Have one what? [14:31] Possibly I am a stupid tinfoil hat wearing gimp, since they no doubt tie my purchase history to my CC hashes anyway [14:32] Clubcard [14:32] Ah [14:32] has anyone used the Hudl? What Android version is it on, and what's the UI like? [14:32] I quite like the offers they send to us [14:32] awilkins, they can't legally tie purchase history to credit card numbers [14:32] awilkins, which is the only reason to create clubcard [14:32] Has anyone ROOTED the Hudl and can I nuke it with KitKat as soon as my daughter gets it [14:32] directhex, What about hashes? [14:33] mgdm: wonderful screen. quick and smooth. I think it's running 4.2, but might be 4.3 [14:33] mgdm, it's stock android, except with a "T" button on the home/back/switch row to launch tesco apps [14:33] mgdm, and it's on ICS [14:33] ah ha, thanks [14:34] awilkins, you can't use data for purposes other than which they were provided for. data protection act basics. so hashes no different. they can't track you by credit card as they didn't gather your credit card number for that purpose [14:34] * mgdm will probably stick to acquiring a Nexus 7 some time soonish [14:34] the hudl is excellent for £9 [14:34] mgdm: 4.2.2 (just checked) [14:34] directhex: CC points? [14:34] bigcalm: ta [14:34] mgdm, exactly [14:35] mgdm, it's £119, and you can get £10 hudl/accessory vouchers, for £5 in CC points [14:35] it's archos underneath, fwiw [14:35] rockchip soc, iirc [14:36] directhex: Hmm, might look into that then === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:49] whats the deal with hudl? [14:50] Big Tesco is Watching You ? [14:50] directhex: how many clubcard ££ did you spend on it? [14:50] mungbean, £55 [14:51] i spent mine on RAC :( [14:51] so u ditched ur touchpad? [14:53] Anyone know how to wipe the cache/cookies/... for a specific site in chromium? [14:54] Azelphur: this plugin might work in Chromium, I use it in Chrome for this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clear-cache/cppjkneekbjaeellbfkmgnhonkkjfpdn?hl=en [14:55]