[05:32] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:36] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:36] <Kilos> hi bduk  mazal 
[05:37] <bduk> Goed en self Kilos ?
[05:38] <Kilos> goed dankie
[05:58] <mazal> More oom
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:15] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:15] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[06:38] <superfly> ohi
[06:38] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:55] <mazal> Anybody know why Ubuntu can't access an external hdd's SMART data ?
[06:55] <mazal> And if there is a way around that ?
[06:56] <Kilos> mazal, wayttd
[06:56] <Kilos> smart data is the condition of the drive right?
[06:57] <mazal> Yeah it contains a whole bunch of info
[06:57] <Kilos> use diskutility to see if it is on
[06:57] <mazal> In the Disks application there is a whole lot of info you can view
[06:57] <mazal> For my external , it just shows " not available "
[06:58] <Kilos> some drives dont support smart and others have it turned off
[06:58] <mazal> I wonder where I can see if it is turned off
[06:58] <mazal> Is a brand new 2013 drive so must have SMART
[06:58] <Kilos> i dont remember for sure but in bios it sometimes lets you choose
[06:58] <mazal> It is on in BIOS
[06:59] <mazal> And I can view my internal drive's info
[06:59] <Kilos> oh my
[06:59] <Kilos> what drive is it?
[06:59] <mazal> Toshiba
[06:59] <Kilos> maybe google can find why
[06:59] <Kilos> give all the info man
[07:00] <mazal> I like to view my drives info on a regular basis to see if errors start to creep in
[07:00] <mazal> Toshiba 1TB usb 3
[07:00] <Kilos> ok lemme ask a bot to google
[07:00] <mazal> And since this one is my primary OS I kinda want to see it
[07:01] <mazal> When I google I just get a whole lot of places to buy one lol
[07:04] <mazal> Seems the problem is that the USB controler don't pass the SMART data :
[07:04] <mazal> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28235888-Getting-S.M.A.R.T.-data-from-USB-external-drives
[07:04] <Kilos> look at smartmon tools
[07:04] <mazal> Now I wonder if linux has similar tools like the windows ones mentioned there
[07:04] <mazal> Isn't smartmon tools a Windooze app Kilos ?
[07:04] <Kilos> i dont know it but maybe your drive isnt supported yet
[07:04] <Kilos> no man linux
[07:04] <Kilos> must be in repos
[07:05] <Kilos> maar moenie krap waar dit nie jeuk nie
[07:06] <Kilos> leave well enough alone
[07:06] <mazal> I just want to see info
[07:07] <Kilos> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/USB
[07:08] <mazal> Installed it , now need to figure out how to use it
[07:08] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:08] <Kilos> man smartmontools
[07:08] <mazal> no manual entry for smartmontools
[07:08] <mazal> great
[07:09] <Kilos> http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/man/smartctl.8.html
[07:09] <mazal> smartmontools command not found
[07:11] <Kilos> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki
[07:13] <mazal> This gives a very basic just "OK" :
[07:13] <mazal> sudo smartctl /dev/sdb1 -a
[07:13] <mazal> Oh ok , so smartctl is actually smartmontools
[07:14] <Kilos> smartctl or smartd seem to be the commands
[07:15] <Kilos> i have smart off here in bios otherwise i gotta throw all my drives away
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe
[07:23] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[07:23]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:23] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[07:23] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[07:23] <mazal> Dankie oom , daai werk sharp
[07:23] <Kilos> plesier
[07:24] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:24] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[07:24] <Kilos> hi Squirm y
[07:24] <Squirm> hello
[07:24] <inetpro> good morning
[07:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:27] <Kilos> hi DarkSurferZA 
[07:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[07:27] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:27] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:27] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[07:27] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[07:27] <Squirm> Maaz: thanks
[07:27] <Maaz> Squirm: No problem
[07:27] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[07:27] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:27] <DarkSurferZA> Yo, guys
[07:28] <DarkSurferZA> How are things? Everybody recover all their hardware after the lightning last night?
[07:28] <Kilos> hehe
[07:29] <Kilos> only had lost inodes
[07:29] <Kilos> but fsck fixed them
[07:31] <Kilos> eish
[07:31] <Kilos> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
[07:31] <Kilos> been automatically rejected.
[07:31] <DarkSurferZA> Well, not bad then. Heard some horror stories last night
[07:31] <Kilos> about?
[07:32] <DarkSurferZA> All kinds of hardware fires
[07:32] <DarkSurferZA> Consoles, set top boxes, laptops, computers
[07:32] <DarkSurferZA> Even some phone chargers....
[07:32] <Kilos> whew
[07:33] <Kilos> tell everyone to send the scrap to me
[07:33] <Kilos> i like fiddling and fixing whats fixable
[07:33] <Kilos> phone chargers are a pain
[07:33] <DarkSurferZA> Haha, u would find that more often than not,it is a fuse or something
[07:34] <Kilos> often yes
[07:34] <DarkSurferZA> The old atx power supplies used to pop fuses in the power supply
[07:34] <Kilos> of voltage spike protector
[07:34] <mazal> DarkSurferZA, I always unplug everything when thunder comes
[07:34] <DarkSurferZA> But most wouldnt open it because of the sticker that said no user servicable parts inside
[07:34] <mazal> As well as when I'm not home
[07:34] <Kilos> yeah
[07:35] <DarkSurferZA> I used to do that, but my dstv updates at night, i have downloads, updates, and other maintanence crud
[07:35] <DarkSurferZA> And then on a cold winter morning,you gotta get out of bed to turn on the wifi again...
[07:36] <DarkSurferZA> Gotta be a better way man
[07:36] <Kilos> you can buy a little box for protection but i forget what its called
[07:36]  * Kilos goes to ask sis
[07:36] <DarkSurferZA> 1 x ball box ?
[07:37] <Kilos> surge protectors
[07:37] <Kilos> plug in to your power socket and then your equipment into it
[07:37] <DarkSurferZA> Ah, right. That was my next guess. But 1 x surge protector for every plug point in the house
[07:38] <Kilos> no man only pcs and tv
[07:38] <DarkSurferZA> And then you need to make provision for that power-snake-ception that you have in the lounge
[07:38] <Kilos> i have tv and pc in one
[07:39] <Kilos> gotta few adaptors plugged into the protector
[07:39] <DarkSurferZA> Tv, dstv, xbox, playstation, surround sound, media center, chargers. All plugged in to 1 socket in my house
[07:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:40] <DarkSurferZA> Surge protectors dont play nice with the amperage requirements
[07:40] <Kilos> too many toys
[07:40] <DarkSurferZA> Why cant we just get clean power from the circuit breakers?
[07:40] <mazal> Kilos, I saw power surges go right through those surge protectors. If it is strong enough it goes through. 
[07:41] <Kilos> the prob comes when lightening hits an overhead power line
[07:41] <Kilos> they sposed to trip mazal 
[07:41] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: no such thing as too many toys
[07:41] <mazal> And the 2nd problem is the telkom line as well
[07:41] <Kilos> telkom lines are always unsafe in storms
[07:42] <Kilos> thats where 3g is so much better
[07:42] <DarkSurferZA> True, but i dont have that problem. I have the problem where telkom would install a fixed line to my house
[07:42] <DarkSurferZA> Cable theft blah blah blah
[07:43] <mazal> We have lots of theft issues as well
[07:43] <Kilos> same here. thats what forced me to mobile use when i started with pcs
[07:43] <mazal> I would really struggle the day they don't provide a line here anymore.
[07:43] <Kilos> even power lines used to get pinched so theyve strung aluminium wires now
[07:43] <mazal> 3G is both useless and over priced
[07:44] <DarkSurferZA> I got iburst at home. If i need to download something over the weekend, i first call the call center
[07:44] <Kilos> over priced yes but never useless
[07:44] <mazal> Kilos, we never have proper signal here
[07:44] <DarkSurferZA> Then complain about slow speed. They say they are looking in to it, but actually just unchoke my line
[07:44] <mazal> Tried MTN , Vodacom , 8TA , all useless
[07:44] <Kilos> mazal, you need an external antenna man
[07:44] <DarkSurferZA> Then i reboot modem and get decent download speed
[07:44] <Kilos> my telkom mobile rocks
[07:45] <mazal> And currently I have uncapped for the price they ask for just 2gig
[07:45] <Kilos> what speed DarkSurferZA ?
[07:45] <mazal> Nothing beats cable
[07:45] <Kilos> my last upgrade average 386kB/s
[07:45] <DarkSurferZA> Get around 100 - 150 KB download.
[07:46] <DarkSurferZA> Not great, but not bad for the price either
[07:46] <Kilos> what do iburst charge for data bundles
[07:48] <DarkSurferZA> I pay 149 for 5GB anytime and 5GB midnight to morning data
[07:48] <Kilos> nm im happy with telkom mobile
[07:48] <Kilos> wow that is much cheaper
[07:48] <DarkSurferZA> 198 for 10+10
[07:48] <Kilos> wow
[07:49] <DarkSurferZA> I use it for general downloading, but if i need speed, i also switch to 3g
[07:49] <Kilos> i pay R149 for 2+1
[07:50] <DarkSurferZA> Hence the reason i have both. 2 AP's . 1 for speed, and the other for quantity
[07:51] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <mazal> DarkSurferZA, your living room sounds almost like mine hehehe
[07:51] <mazal> 2x PS3 , PC , TV , DSTV , laptop
[07:51] <mazal> And screens for them all
[07:52] <DarkSurferZA> Well on the topic of ps3s. Here is a fun fact
[07:52] <DarkSurferZA> Did you know: you could fit, into the front loader on your ps3 blueray drive:
[07:53] <DarkSurferZA> 1 x Grand Tourismo, 1 x f1 2012, 1 x 5 rand coin, 1 x 2 rand coin, 3 x 5 cent coins, 4 toothpicks, and a playing card
[07:54] <DarkSurferZA> At the same time
[07:58] <mazal> I'm scared to ask
[07:58] <mazal> How and more importantly , why ?
[07:59] <Kilos> kids do things
[07:59] <mazal> Aaaah , ok
[07:59] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <DarkSurferZA> 3 year old son, he was trying to play games
[07:59] <DarkSurferZA> Cant say more than that really
[07:59] <mazal> Are you on the sagamer forum DarkSurferZA ?
[08:00] <DarkSurferZA> mazal: nope
[08:00] <DarkSurferZA> Havent heard of it till today
[08:00] <mazal> http://sagamer.co.za/forum/index.php
[08:01] <DarkSurferZA> And my iburst has latency issues, so gaming usually sucks online
[08:01] <mazal> Great place for gamers. I'm Marshall_Maz there
[08:01] <mazal> Tons of info's , help en general chat
[08:02] <DarkSurferZA> Cool, will have a look
[08:17] <DarkSurferZA> Anyone here ever file a 0 day with msft? Need some info
[08:20] <Kilos> huh
[08:20] <Kilos> hi space 
[08:22] <space> Hi
[08:44] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:48] <Vince-0> !
[09:10] <Kilos> DarkSurferZA, you got an android tablet?
[09:10] <Kilos> if so how do you do a command line reboot
[09:11] <Kilos> sisters stylus7 is in safemode and we dunno how to reboot the stupid thing 
[09:11] <Kilos> or do a recovery
[09:12] <Kilos> any android boff may answer as well
[09:13] <Kilos> it came back from the repair shop in safe mode
[09:13] <Kilos> she be scared that rfeset button will lose all her pics and things
[09:14] <Kilos> reset
[09:16] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:16] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:24] <nlsthzn> Kilos, when you turn it off and on it goes back to safe mode?
[09:25] <Kilos> yessir
[09:26] <Kilos> i found this http://www.howtogeek.com/130611/
[09:26] <Kilos> but would rather use a cli if possible
[09:27] <nlsthzn> problem is every device is slightly different...
[09:29] <Kilos> ya thats why i was hoping there is a terminal kinda thing and a command to use like sudo reboot
[09:29] <nlsthzn> not as far as I know (or not one that is typically used)
[09:30] <Kilos> what kinda linux is android then without a terminal and commands
[09:30] <nlsthzn> one that doesn't need it?
[09:30] <nlsthzn> can you access the files when plugged into a PC?
[09:30] <Kilos> haha
[09:31] <Kilos> yes but lots of functions dont work
[09:31] <Kilos> oh
[09:31] <Kilos> sorry
[09:31] <Kilos> havent tried via pc
[09:31] <nlsthzn> if you can get the files, copy them over and do a factory reset...
[09:32] <nlsthzn> that seems to be the consensus I get from threads on a tablet booting continuously into safe mode...
[09:32] <Kilos> will try that but will need to otivate her first. she scared i crash it from here
[09:32] <Kilos> hehe
[09:32] <nlsthzn> that or first un-install what ever was installed before this started and then reboot and see if it works
[09:32] <Kilos> the power thing had to be replaced in it
[09:32] <nlsthzn> backup backup backup :p
[09:32] <Kilos> shorted and died
[09:33] <Kilos> they shoulda done a backup and restart at the android shop the swines
[09:34] <Kilos> how can you return a thing that runs only in safe mode
[09:34] <Kilos> very unproffessional
[09:34] <nlsthzn> how do you know it is in safemode?
[09:35] <Kilos> it shows it
[09:36] <Kilos> little block at bottom of screen
[09:37] <Kilos> im sorry she ever got it. hair gray enough without android making it worse
[09:39] <nlsthzn> typically just doing a reboot should put it back into normal mode :/
[09:39] <Kilos> she was much less troublesome playing AOE2 on xp
[09:39] <Kilos> you mean power off?
[09:40] <Kilos> that dont work
[09:40] <nlsthzn> if you keep the power off button in it should give the option to power off or reboot
[09:40] <nlsthzn> even in safe mode
[09:40] <Kilos> oh lemme check that way ty nlsthzn 
[09:40] <nlsthzn> so reboot isn't taking out of safe mode
[09:40] <Kilos> nope
[09:40] <Kilos> shuts down and boots back to safe mode
[09:41] <Kilos> no reboot option only off and cancel
[09:41] <Kilos> grrr
[09:43] <nlsthzn> ok, to put it into safe mode you typically power it up and hold both volume buttons in... perhaps switch it off, then power it up while holding both the volume buttons and see what happens
[09:43] <Kilos> ok sec
[09:46] <Kilos> oh my now it cant boot anymore
[09:46] <nlsthzn> ?
[09:46] <nlsthzn> is the tablet in same case perhaps?
[09:46] <Kilos> now im in the dwang
[09:47] <nlsthzn> not to stress yet uncle Kilos ...
[09:47] <DarkSurferZA> Yo Kilos, see you asked me about android
[09:47] <DarkSurferZA> Yeah, i got several
[09:47] <nlsthzn> how much battery does the tablet have?
[09:47] <DarkSurferZA> What happend? What did you press
[09:47] <Kilos> lol yay its booting with only power button
[09:47] <nlsthzn> tablet stuck in safe mode DarkSurferZA 
[09:47] <Kilos> lots of battery\
[09:48] <nlsthzn> doesn't want to boot to normal mode
[09:48] <Kilos> both volume buttons and power
[09:48] <DarkSurferZA> Crud. Does it have usb debugging enabled?
[09:48] <DarkSurferZA> Which tablet?
[09:49] <Kilos> yay safe mode off
[09:49] <Kilos> ty
[09:49] <Kilos> stylus7
[09:49] <nlsthzn> :p
[09:49] <nlsthzn> when in doubt , try anything 
[09:49] <Kilos> yay
[09:49] <Kilos> lol
[09:49] <nlsthzn> make backups off all the pics ASAP
[09:49] <Kilos> whew got me worried there
[09:49] <nlsthzn> already had the hardware fail once...
[09:50] <DarkSurferZA> Cool.
[09:50] <DarkSurferZA> Enable usb debugging as well
[09:50] <Kilos> they said it musta been a power surge or something that burned it out
[09:50] <Kilos> they replaced the faulty stuff
[09:50] <nlsthzn> still :)
[09:50] <DarkSurferZA> You will be able to access the device over the usb bridge just in case
[09:51] <Kilos> how do you enable usb debugging
[09:51] <Kilos> i hate that thing
[09:52] <Kilos> worse than a lappy
[09:52] <DarkSurferZA> Settings, application settings, development
[09:52] <DarkSurferZA> You can do commands like adb sync, (backup the device), or adb reboot, or adb reboot recovery
[09:54]  * nlsthzn hasn't had enough problems to be pro at fixing android yet... plus the S3 has a separate partition for recovery so it doesn't brick easily... even when you flash a rom for the S2 on it by accident :p
[09:54] <DarkSurferZA> You can also adb devices lists your droid, and adb -s <serialnumber> shell will pop a shell on your droid 
[09:54] <Kilos> ty will convince her to make backups
[09:56] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:58] <nlsthzn> I typically have most photos and vids automatically uploading to the cloud when on wifi to keep em safe
[09:59] <Kilos> she only has pics. battles to finish 250m data a month
[10:00] <Kilos> maybe its because its the cheapest android she could get that there are probs
[10:01] <nlsthzn> you often get what you pay for...
[10:01] <Kilos> yeah
[10:01] <nlsthzn> I love it when you install a distro in VBox and the extensions are already integrated and everything just works :D
[10:03] <DarkSurferZA> Maybe worth a bookmark: www.droidviews.com/a-comprehensive-guide-to-adb-android-debug-bridge-and-commands/
[10:04] <Kilos> ty
[10:56]  * superfly is back from AfricaCom
[10:56] <superfly> ow, my feet are sore
[10:56] <Kilos> hehe
[10:57] <Kilos> not used to lotsa standing and walking
[12:06] <Vince-0> superfly, looks like a big deal: http://www.appsafrica.com/1/post/2013/11/africacom-day-1-highlights.html
[12:07] <Vince-0> anything interesting to the real geeks?
[12:13] <Kilos> hehe
[12:13] <Kilos> wb Trixar_za 
[12:13] <Trixar_za> Thanks Kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> you neen working again
[12:13] <Kilos> been
[12:14] <Trixar_za> No, looks like the ZNC disconnected from the freenode again
[12:14] <Kilos> ah
[12:15] <Kilos> looks like the interwebs been friendlier to irc/freenode today
[12:17] <Kilos> who is this ubuntu-za-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <Kilos> as in who answers that mail and grants permission
[12:19] <Trixar_za> Check out http://ccmixter.org/ btw
[12:19] <Trixar_za> It's all free music, remixes and samples
[12:20] <Kilos> can one download songs from there?
[12:20] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[12:20] <Kilos> i dont often get music, but nice to know there is a site without having to youtube
[12:21] <Trixar_za> It's what some people did with the Creative Commons idea. The whole community is built around providing free music and samples. Then others in the community remixes it to produce new songs.
[12:21] <Trixar_za> It's like Open Source, but with music
[12:21] <Kilos> cool
[12:21] <Kilos> vids removed?
[12:21] <Kilos> i hate youtube
[12:22] <Kilos> data hog
[12:22] <Kilos> nearly everything has some youtube links
[12:22] <Kilos> grrr
[12:29] <kbmonkey> hello
[12:29] <Kilos> my monkey you came again back
[12:30] <kbmonkey> yup
[12:30] <Vince-0> kbmonkey!
[12:31] <kbmonkey> hello Vince-0 
[12:31] <kbmonkey> worked half day today, got a badheadcold
[12:31]  * Kilos passes the bananas
[12:32] <Kilos> aw
[12:32] <kbmonkey> going to drop some meds and sleep till the cows come home he he
[12:33] <Kilos> get well soon
[12:33] <Kilos> what meds?
[12:33] <kbmonkey> how are things Vince-0 ?
[12:33] <Kilos> do they make vegetarian meds?
[12:33] <kbmonkey> ha ha funny kilos
[12:33] <Kilos> sorry
[12:34] <Kilos> lotsa raw onion and garlic will fix you
[12:34] <kbmonkey> pulling your leg man. i love you Kilos
[12:34] <Kilos> natures antibiotics
[12:34]  * Kilos blushes
[12:35] <kbmonkey> ya i got some um.. let me type this.. linctagon-c
[12:35] <Kilos> no medlemon?
[12:35] <kbmonkey> and other stuff. ya natural antibods
[12:35] <Kilos> hot medlemon and sweat it out
[12:36] <kbmonkey> yes that too
[12:36] <Kilos> good lad
[12:36] <Kilos> go rest now
[12:36] <kbmonkey> soon, after the hot drink
[12:37] <Kilos> good
[12:37] <kbmonkey> just had 2 hour nap. going back soon
[12:38] <kbmonkey> you holding the fort here ok Kilos ?
[12:39] <Vince-0> kbmonkey! same dizl here ey
[12:40] <kbmonkey> ah good man. they having discussions at work over who's buying over the company
[12:40] <Vince-0> nice, let me know if you need a lackey there
[12:40] <kbmonkey> lol
[12:41] <kbmonkey> I may leave depending which way it goes
[12:41] <Vince-0> "A lackey or lacquey is a term for a uniformed manservant"
[12:41] <kbmonkey> the people giving us all the grief for so long are the ones buying
[12:42] <Vince-0> aganee
[12:43] <Vince-0> how's your C#?
[12:43] <kbmonkey> I'll be glad for the change, but let's see how it goes first
[12:44] <kbmonkey> i've only been doing c# for the past few years, I'd say I know it very well 
[12:44] <Kilos> ya me be here on and off
[12:46] <Vince-0> well Dev2 is looking but they're up the hill and the culture is a bit weird
[12:46] <kbmonkey> must be all that mist they get ;)
[12:46] <Vince-0> SmilyBorgs goin through the motions at Derivco - sounds interesting
[12:47] <Vince-0> Derivco just bought some HA Apache2 in Sweden - yoh that'll be the life
[12:49] <kbmonkey> they also have a weird culture there, very paranoid under the shiny armour.
[12:52] <kbmonkey> I feel that if I work hard anyway, perhaps it can be better spent working for myself or a group of us. 
[12:52] <Vince-0> yes! damn the man
[12:52] <kbmonkey> and not making the top 10% of the rich evenricher
[12:52] <Vince-0> I'm fixin' to freelance at some point next year
[12:53] <kbmonkey> right on!
[12:53] <Symmetria> heh man, every time I get to a point of knowing a lot about networking
[12:53] <Symmetria> I find some scenario where I need a config that is a thousand times more complex than anything Ive ever done before
[12:53] <Symmetria> my brain feels twisted ;p
[12:54] <Kilos> you just noticed that now?
[12:54] <Vince-0> the great unknown
[12:54] <Kilos> wb Symmetria what died
[12:54] <kbmonkey> hello Symmetria 
[12:55] <Symmetria> heh I rebooted my bouncer box and forgot to reconnect my client afterwards
[12:55] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:55] <Symmetria> right now Im trying to figure out the complexities of using some wierd mpls kompella / martini unified mix in networking
[12:58] <Vince-0> yoh sounds like a cocktail
[12:58] <kbmonkey> ya that sounds pretty tasty !
[13:01] <kbmonkey> hey Symmetria did you live in pmb before by any chance?
[13:02] <Symmetria> nope
[13:06] <kbmonkey> cool
[13:13] <kbmonkey> right am goingback to rest off this head cold... 
[13:13] <Vince-0> cya!
[13:13] <Vince-0> mix a whiskey and some honey stuff
[13:36] <mazal> Enjoy your evening everyone
[13:36] <mazal> Cheers
[14:04] <jhb-hacker> hi there
[14:13] <jhb_hacker> hi there
[14:21] <inetpro> hi jhb_hacker
[14:25] <jhb_hacker> need help, could not install grub-efi
[14:28] <inetpro> jhb_hacker: on ubuntu?
[14:30] <jhb_hacker> eOS, my computer came with win8 preinstalled, I was able to install ubuntu 13.10...however eOS will not install
[14:32] <inetpro> hmm... 
[14:33] <inetpro> just hang around here, perhaps someone will be able to help 
[14:42] <inetpro> wb DarkSurferZA
[14:42] <DarkSurferZA> Had to switch networks. Thanks man
[14:43] <Trixar_za> If you have Ubuntu installed, why are you trying to overwrite your bootloader?
[14:44] <Trixar_za> Also saying eOS isn't very helpful. Do you mean EOS written in 1986?
[14:47] <Trixar_za> There's also the incomplete e-os: https://code.google.com/p/e-os/
[14:49] <Trixar_za> and of course elementary OS, but since it's a DE, I'm not sure it counts
[14:51] <Trixar_za> Asking for Support Rule #1: Explain what the problem is in as much relevant detail as possible. This includes the steps you took to get there, where you got the software and what other software packages you installed or removed recently on the system.
[15:15] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:15] <inetpro> Trixar_za: eish!
[15:16] <inetpro> he ran away after that
[15:16] <Trixar_za> He'll be back
[15:17] <inetpro> :-)
[15:17] <Trixar_za> Most people just don't how to ask for help. I could help him if he gave more information on
[15:17] <Kilos> he means that thing that isnt mbr hey?
[15:17] <Trixar_za> it*
[15:18] <Trixar_za> Well, he replaced Windows 8, so I'm assuming he installed the Grub that comes with Ubuntu
[15:18] <Trixar_za> And he tried to install another grub other it rather than adding the new OS to it
[15:18] <Trixar_za> If it allowed that, he would have broken both :/
[15:19] <Kilos> 13.10 recoknises the new thing anyway 
[15:20] <Kilos> isnt efi  um
[15:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:20] <Kilos> guid or something
[15:20] <Kilos> wait ill get it when i wake up
[15:22] <Trixar_za> It's what replaced BIOS - EFI that is
[15:22] <Trixar_za> Well, replacing is a better word
[15:24] <Kilos> oh not the thing on the drive only to let it have more than 4 primary partitions
[15:26]  * Kilos sees https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[15:29] <Kilos> heres an update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[15:39] <Kilos> interesting, must be 64bit ubuntu
[15:41] <Kilos> ai! more to learn about
[16:07] <Kilos> lol you hard on peeps hey Trixar_za 
[16:08] <nlsthzn> truth hurts
[16:08] <Kilos> maybe he dom like me
[16:09] <Trixar_za> Sorry, it comes from working in support
[16:09] <Kilos> but not with that nick unless its a dream nick
[16:09] <Trixar_za> Bad support questions are common
[16:09] <Kilos> somewhere we had a link on how to ask for help
[16:09] <Trixar_za> He wishes he was a hacker - and I'm talking RMS like hacker, not idiots that break into systems for lulz aka crackers
[16:10] <nlsthzn> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[16:10] <Kilos> hehe
[16:10] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I skimmed that :P
[16:10] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:10] <nlsthzn> esr a often unsung hero
[16:11] <Trixar_za> But it boils down to giving as much information as possible. If they ask you to use gdb and you don't know how, then ask for the steps
[16:11] <Trixar_za> I've done it a few times
[16:11] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:11] <Kilos> gdb?
[16:12] <Trixar_za> GNU Debug I think
[16:12] <Trixar_za> It's useful for debugging compiled programs
[16:12] <Kilos> ah
[16:14] <Kilos> maybe he installed alongside without removing win8
[16:14] <Kilos> lemme read again
[16:17] <Kilos> he doesnt say 
[16:17] <Kilos> maybe trying to run all three
[16:18] <Kilos> whatever eOS might be
[16:18] <nlsthzn> most probably elementary OS which is based on 12.04
[16:19] <Kilos> that rings a bell. maybe i even got the iso
[16:20] <Kilos> someone came on here and spoke about it a month or 2 back
[16:25] <nlsthzn> it looks pretty... not much more or less to it really (uses its own DE called Pantheon)
[16:28] <nlsthzn> nice, going to install VSIDO to see how it looks in VBox and VBox already labels it as Debian... they must have an extensive database of distro's I must imagine
[16:32]  * Kilos goes for quick shutdown and an extra drive connect
[16:32] <Kilos> wbb
[16:44] <Kilos> inetpro, yay
[16:46] <Kilos> hehe nlsthzn i have elementaryos iso and i think i tried it
[16:46] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:46] <Kilos> but something wasnt lekker to me
[16:47] <nlsthzn> not everyone's cup of tea for sure
[16:51] <Kilos> i wish i could remember what i didnt fancy about it
[16:57] <Kilos> maybe thats his eOS prob. not 64bit
[17:09] <DarkSurferZA> so you know the conversation we were having earlier about surge protectors?
[17:09] <Kilos> yes
[17:09] <Kilos> wb DarkSurferZA 
[17:09] <DarkSurferZA> Well, lightning hit my roof a few minutes ago, hence the disconnect
[17:09] <Kilos> is it storming by you already again
[17:09] <Kilos> eish
[17:10] <DarkSurferZA> Everything is fine electronically
[17:10] <DarkSurferZA> Except my tv
[17:10] <DarkSurferZA> My xbox
[17:10] <Kilos> eina
[17:10] <DarkSurferZA> And my dstv
[17:10] <Kilos> they all bust?
[17:10] <DarkSurferZA> Oh, and i am using my backup router to connect to iburst
[17:11] <DarkSurferZA> All dead
[17:11] <Kilos> dstv decoders and older tvs have a circuit in with a thing that blows
[17:11] <Kilos> im trying to remember what they called
[17:11] <DarkSurferZA> New dstv explora. 1 month old
[17:12] <DarkSurferZA> TV is a year old...
[17:12] <Kilos> eish
[17:12] <Kilos> its right where the power comes in
[17:12] <DarkSurferZA> Anyway, gotta check my insurance policy
[17:13] <Kilos> whew sorry man
[17:13] <Kilos> that sucks
[17:13] <DarkSurferZA> Chat later...DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:13] <Kilos> ok
[17:13] <DarkSurferZA> I mean, shoot, woopedy wop, fudge
[17:13] <Kilos> yeah bad news that
[17:14] <Kilos> storm coming this way too sounds like
[18:01]  * inetpro hears the sound of thunder in the distance
[18:01] <inetpro> good evening
[18:01] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:03] <DarkSurferZA> Right, so receipt of purchase looked at, and total damage of R17k
[18:04] <DarkSurferZA> Insurance thankfully covers lightning.
[18:04] <Kilos> ow
[18:04] <DarkSurferZA> Claim already submitted.
[18:04] <DarkSurferZA> SAFE
[18:04] <Kilos> still under cover or out?
[18:04] <Kilos> great
[18:05] <inetpro> oh and I suddenly hear a big rustling of the leaves
[18:05] <Kilos> thats lucky
[18:05] <DarkSurferZA> Yeah
[18:05] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[18:05] <DarkSurferZA> Lightning hit the tree next to my house
[18:06] <DarkSurferZA> Tree fell on my wall, but the wall is still upright though
[18:06] <Kilos> whew
[18:06] <inetpro> uh oh
[18:06] <inetpro> DarkSurferZA: wow!
[18:06] <DarkSurferZA> Hope it stays that way through the night
[18:07] <inetpro> big tree?
[18:07] <inetpro> take a photo
[18:07] <DarkSurferZA> Huge tree. Twice the height of my roof
[18:08] <inetpro> yikes
[18:08] <DarkSurferZA> Will in the morning, when i have light. Half upright, half over the wall. Split by the hammer of Thor
[18:08] <Kilos> nature has big power
[18:19] <Kilos> storm getting close now
[18:19] <Kilos> just hit the pros work looks like
[18:23] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[18:23] <Kilos> mzo still dead
[18:23] <inetpro> ai!
[18:24] <inetpro> something clearly not right with that connection of ours
[18:24] <inetpro> shouldn't be going down like this
[18:30] <Kilos> storm here sounds like
[18:30] <Kilos> massive wind
[18:30] <Kilos> broke many branches out of the camphor tree last night
[18:54] <Kilos> sounds like storm blew past us
[18:55] <Kilos> and not even power offed
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[23:15] <Private_User> hi all, any reason why Lubuntu would not shut down when I try to shutdown via GUI. When I select shutdown it restarts the machine