[06:19]  * OvenWerks has a monitor again... with three colours even.
[08:35] <zequence> OvenWerks: What were you using before?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> zequence: It looks like my reverting fix was pushed in...
[10:48] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, but was it needed anymore
[10:48] <zequence> OvenWerks: Did you have a look at the changes yet, and what they do for us?
[10:50] <smartboyhw> zequence: I don't know. Haven't catched up for a long time
[11:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: I will write this down, and inform others later, but just in case we have this sort of thing happening again: first talk with the author (in this case OvenWerks), then make the change in our branch - not Ubuntu's. Then ask for a merge
[11:03] <smartboyhw> zequence: Sure
[11:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's different when the upstream is Debian, or KDE, or something else. In this case, we are upstream
[11:03] <zequence> So, the change needs to go in our source first
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Yep
[20:41] <Imote> Hi
[20:43] <Imote> Is there anyone here ?
[20:43] <zequence> Imote: Hi. What's up?
[20:46] <Imote> Zequence: nothing particular, i'm actually looking how Ubuntu Studio team work
[20:47] <zequence> Imote: Stick around if you want. Possibly interested in participating?
[20:49] <Imote> Imote: Maybe, I'm french ; I eventually participate for write the documentation (in french of course)
[20:50] <Imote> Zequence: Maybe, I'm french ; I'm maybe interisting for participate for write the documentation (in french of course)
[20:51] <zequence> Imote: Our art lead is French Belgian. The guy who has been a part of the team the longes, ttoine, is from France. Also, another guy from Belgium does some testing at times
[20:51] <zequence> Documentation is always a problem. You are free to participate in writing that
[20:52] <zequence> We don't have a French version of our site. I guess we could ask to have that. Someone will need to maintain it
[20:53] <zequence> As for the wikis, I guess they are English only
[20:53] <zequence> I know there are local sites for Ubuntu in all countries
[20:53] <zequence> Some distros probably have their own local sites, like Kubuntu
[20:54] <Imote> You know, the french documentation of Ubuntu and other ubuntu distros are great and full, not in english ?
[20:54] <Imote> Certainly yes
[20:55] <zequence> I'm sure the English docs for other distros are extensive
[20:55] <zequence> But not for Ubuntu Studio
[20:55] <zequence> If docs are written in any language, they should be translated though
[20:55] <zequence> No reason to do the same work twice
[20:55] <Imote> Yes, it's true
[20:55] <zequence> Even if translating is of course a bit of work in itself
[20:56] <zequence> I don't care in which language it is written, as long as someone is willing to do it
[20:56] <Imote> yes but more easy compared to write entirely the text
[20:57] <Imote> So i'm actually looking for get involved ; I don't know how this big engine work
[20:57] <zequence> Yes, if there is already a structure and content, all one needs to is worry about formulations
[20:58] <zequence> Debian/Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio is a big engine, but just Ubuntu Studio is quite small
[20:58] <zequence> If you are serious about documentation, you will find that you can work pretty freely
[21:01] <Imote> Ok. If I continue, how can I do ? I'm just suscribing to the ubuntu studio devel, and after ? Any forum to present me or other thing ?
[21:03] <zequence> Imote: No hurry. We actually don't have any documentation at all for users right now, so you would be working from scratch
[21:03] <zequence> Imote: We don't need so much docs for desktop usage. Only for our workflows, audio, video, graphics, etc
[21:03] <zequence> Imote: Also, for installing, a bit about how Ubuntu Studio differs from other Ubuntu distros
[21:04] <zequence> Imote: Here's a bit of structure for inspiration https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide
[21:04] <zequence> Imote: Once you feel - "Ok, I would like to start working on this" - let me know, and we can organize things a bit
[21:05] <zequence> It's good to get some feedback while working, and we should document at least vaguely what is being done, and who is doing it
[21:05] <zequence> That's about it
[21:05] <zequence> If it takes you 1 month, or 3 years is up to you
[21:09] <Imote> Yes I see. I think about it and I give a review shortly. I not want start for stop 2 days after and lost your time
[21:10] <knome> zequence, remind me what you're using for docs again? docbook?
[21:11] <knome> zequence, we've just been poking at docs translations, you might want to take advantage of us having to go through that
[21:12] <zequence> knome: We don't use anything at all currently
[21:12] <zequence> knome: Are you using docbook?
[21:12] <knome> yep
[21:13] <knome> then we convert it to .html to be used in the image
[21:13] <zequence> Aha
[21:13] <knome> but i suppose things like yelp or so could be used to read docbook directly
[21:13] <knome> i have no idea.
[21:14] <zequence> Imote: knome is the project lead for Xubuntu. As you see, we should probably poke them for technical advice
[21:15] <knome> Imote, hallo!
[21:15] <zequence> Imote: It's impossible for you to waste anyones time here. Take the time you need. It may sometimes take a couple of years to get started, as was the case with me
[21:15] <zequence> ;)
[21:16] <Imote> Knome: hello ;) ; Zequence: Great !
[21:17] <knome> starting takes time, but stopping takes more time
[21:17] <zequence> That it does.
[21:19] <Imote> Yes so true ! How many persons work actively on Ubuntu studio ?
[21:27] <Imote> If I dont lost a link, I find only one page of documentation for Ubuntu Studio in french, in ubuntu doc : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu_studio
[21:28] <Imote> The Ubuntu docs is very useful and full, so what is needed to be write for the Ubuntu Studio's doc ?
[21:28] <zequence> Imote: I had never seen that page before
[21:29] <zequence> I think often people write their docs independently. 
[21:29] <Imote> And Xubuntu page here : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/xubuntu
[21:29] <zequence> Imote: This is our wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/
[21:29] <Imote> This links are twice when we Write ubuntu studio or Xubuntu in google
[21:30] <zequence> Here's a page about our team structure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[21:30] <Imote> (In france country of course)
[21:30] <Imote> Yes, i see the team structure
[21:30] <zequence> Currently, I'm the only guy in the docs team, all though there have been other people interested in contributing, such as cub, who like me lives in Sweden
[21:31] <zequence> Imote: This our planning, in the form of blueprints https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Blueprints
[21:31] <zequence> There's one topic for Documentation
[21:31] <knome> i just updated my time commitment for website :)
[21:32] <knome> zequence, are you not subscribed to UbuntuStudio/* wiki pages?
[21:32] <zequence> knome: I'm not that organized :P
[21:32] <zequence> Usually, not many but me edit them anyway
[21:32] <zequence> I guess I should
[21:32] <knome> zequence, you know how to do it?
[21:33] <knome> i mean, non-manually, subscribing to all of them...
[21:33] <zequence> knome: Nope
[21:34] <knome> zequence, go to the wiki. click on your username on the navigation. then click notification. in the "subscribed..." textarea, add a line saying "UbuntuStudio/.*" (without the quotes) and click save
[21:34] <Imote> I can't acces to roadmap of Trusty, it's normal ?
[21:34] <knome> you're done.
[21:36] <Imote> Or i've no permission to see it so
[21:36] <knome> Imote, which page?
[21:36] <Imote> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-saucy-flavor-ubuntustudio
[21:36] <Imote> I'm not legged in I do it
[21:36] <Imote> *logged
[21:36] <zequence> Imote: That links is wrong. Let me change it
[21:37] <zequence> Imote: In the "Blueprints overview", the main topic is the roadmap for Trusty
[21:38] <zequence> Ok, link working now
[21:38] <Imote> Zequence: Okay :)
[21:39] <zequence> knome: Thanks
[21:39] <knome> np
[22:02] <Imote> I go now, maybe i back tomorrow :) I don't know what is your hour but for me it's time to sleep ; good night to all :)
[22:02] <zequence> Imote: Good night. Hope to see you around :)