| bill__ | Hi - I installed unity in 13.10 ubuntu studio - how can I uninstall it | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| dcosnet | apt-get remove some-words | 00:08 |
| dcosnet | most likely: | 00:09 |
| dcosnet | apt-get remove unity | 00:09 |
| zequence | dcosnet: Might be a bit harder than that. Unity depends on a lot of other packages, which won't be removed if uninstalling unity | 00:24 |
| dcosnet | ah | 00:24 |
| oaulakh | anyone have good thmes? | 00:31 |
| oaulakh | how to install fluxbox in ubuntu studio? | 00:46 |
| dcosnet | apt-get update && apt-get install fluxbox | 00:46 |
| oaulakh | i install it | 00:46 |
| oaulakh | but dunno how to apply it | 00:46 |
| dcosnet | at login screen, type your infos FIRST, then click top right to select fluxbox | 00:47 |
| dcosnet | login and out. now it should be default | 00:47 |
| oaulakh | wait going to try | 00:47 |
| dcosnet | k | 00:47 |
| oaulakh | its working thanks | 00:49 |
| dcosnet | no problem. i use fluxbox too | 00:49 |
| oaulakh | thank you very much | 00:49 |
| oaulakh | its too good to look | 00:49 |
| oaulakh | right naaa | 00:49 |
| oaulakh | do you know how we add start menu or ubuntu menu in fluxbox or i have to always use left click to start an app | 00:50 |
| dcosnet | there is a few apps you could use | 00:51 |
| oaulakh | then what should i do to see all apps? | 00:52 |
| dcosnet | http://code.google.com/p/wbar/ | 00:54 |
| oaulakh | how to load diffrent themes in fluxbox like if i download one? | 00:54 |
| dcosnet | themes are in ~/.fluxbox/ | 00:54 |
| dcosnet | give wbar a try | 00:54 |
| oaulakh | okkk cool | 00:55 |
| oaulakh | you really good man | 00:55 |
| dcosnet | ya | 00:55 |
| dcosnet | i have used alot of stuff | 00:56 |
| oaulakh | one thing more in ubuntu i can open terminal with ALT+Crtl+T | 00:56 |
| oaulakh | but in ubuntustudio i cant | 00:56 |
| oaulakh | how i can use shortcuts? | 00:56 |
| dcosnet | fluxbox has its own shortcuts | 00:56 |
| dcosnet | edit configs in ~/.fluxbox/ | 00:57 |
| oaulakh | can i make my own | 00:57 |
| dcosnet | ya | 00:57 |
| dcosnet | i do | 00:57 |
| oaulakh | how? | 00:57 |
| dcosnet | .fluxbox/keys | 00:58 |
| dcosnet | edit that file | 00:58 |
| oaulakh | okkk | 00:59 |
| dcosnet | read the existing shortcuts and test a few to try and learn the commands in the config | 00:59 |
| oaulakh | okkk | 00:59 |
| oaulakh | cool | 01:01 |
| oaulakh | can i craete my own lock screen popup | 01:01 |
| oaulakh | in ubuntu studio | 01:01 |
| dcosnet | xscreensaver can do this if configured | 01:04 |
| oaulakh | cool | 01:04 |
| oaulakh | thanks for all help man | 01:05 |
| oaulakh | see you later | 01:05 |
| oaulakh | its ALT +F1 to open terminal | 01:06 |
| oaulakh | keys file is good to start | 01:06 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | i am having an interesting problem. When I open idjc it opens 21 instances of the program in memory. Then when I connect to a streaming server idjc opens at least another 6 instances in memory and eats every available cpu tick so that all my cores hit 100% usage. anyone have any idea how to fix this? i am running ubuntustudio 13.04 on an AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor with 6 gig of ram. Anyone have any idea how to fix | 01:08 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | this? | 01:08 |
| dcosnet | thats a new one to me | 01:15 |
| dcosnet | try opening it manually from a terminal | 01:15 |
| dcosnet | such as open xterm, type: idjc & | 01:16 |
| dcosnet | then press enter twice | 01:16 |
| dcosnet | close terminal | 01:16 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | yep and it's weird I can open idjc and cpu usage is fine as soon as i connect to a streaming server cpu usage hits 100% across the board | 01:16 |
| dcosnet | the & tells it you dont want the terminal to remain required | 01:17 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | same thing cpu usage on all 4 cores hits 100% as soon as I connect to a streaming server | 01:20 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: what is the terminal output? | 01:33 |
| holstein | bill__: you can always just leave unity there, and login to another DE from the loging screen | 01:34 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | standby please | 01:43 |
| nv_ | ... . . | 01:43 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | terminal output is here http://pastebin.com/D4Gn8N3E | 01:47 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: if it were me (like, back when i used idjc to stream to an icecase server and i needed to troubleshoot) i would try other codes.. and other servers.. and local servers (so as to remove any networking from the equation) | 01:50 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: i would maybe try loading as much as i could up on a live CD and test to remove my system config from the equation | 01:50 |
| holstein | i remember ending up with using darkice to stream from JACK.. | 01:51 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | i have done the live cd on various systems I get the same thing on all systems and my icecast server is local to my network | 01:51 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: then, i would see if you can find some activity with the idjc dev/devs.. but i think its a older project that is getting phased out.. | 01:52 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: there are many other options to stream.. and i would try them, and see if they work better for you | 01:52 |
| holstein | with JACK and something stream from JACK, you can do what idjc does anyways | 01:53 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | i've been trying mixxx but it wants to be a pain when I try to link a voice option into (either mic or skype) | 01:54 |
| holstein | sure | 01:55 |
| holstein | just dont do that | 01:55 |
| holstein | "link" the mic with JACK.. connect whatever you want to the jack compatible streamer | 01:55 |
| holstein | JACK *is* the all-in-one app you would be looking for, in this scneario | 01:55 |
| holstein | with the pulse dbus that is enabled by default, you can link what you like to skype easily | 01:56 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | well i'm having two problems there when ever i try to link jack or pulse into the settings for mixxx either mixxx locks up my system or i get no sound | 01:57 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: what are you using mixx for? | 01:58 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: if its to play audio, try using audacious.. or VLC | 01:58 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | like i can set the master on output to jacksource and there is no sound | 01:59 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | using to stream internet radio out trying to get my own station setup | 01:59 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: i used BUTT | 01:59 |
| holstein | http://butt.sourceforge.net/ | 02:00 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | i'll take a look at it | 02:00 |
| holstein | i would literally get what i wanted playing on one machine running JACK, and pipe that over via an analog cable | 02:00 |
| holstein | then, i started using darkice out of JACK | 02:00 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: darkice is the streaming service.. so i would connect what i wanted out of JACK to darkice to stream | 02:01 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: mixxx didnt work | 02:01 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: idjc didnt work | 02:01 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | icecast2 has always worked for me, I'll take a look at butt | 02:01 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: that was *years* ago.. and i didnt find anything helpful to share.. nor anyone helpful to share the information with.. so i went on to other software, since i really didnt need the functionality they were providing. as you dont either | 02:02 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: icecast2 is the server | 02:02 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: we are talking about clients | 02:02 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: darkice is a JACK client for icecast servers | 02:02 |
| holstein | SysAdmin_Raven: it allows you to, for example.. take *anything* playing out of jack and connect it.. like you are trying to do with mixxx and idjc.. .but, you dont need those applications.. you just add a darkice source and connect what you like out of JACK | 02:03 |
| holstein | *or*... using BUTT via the pulse dbus might be nice | 02:03 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | oh okay i'll take a look at darkice also | 02:03 |
| holstein | when we found mumble, we stopped using it to stream the podcast | 02:04 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | well what i'm wanting to do is stream mp3's, pre-recorded shows live skype calls or calls out of my browser on gvoice | 02:09 |
| SysAdmin_Raven | back in 12.10 i was able to do that with jack, idjc and patchage | 02:10 |
| holstein | 12.04 is still supported | 02:18 |
| holstein | if you are more comfortable on 12.10, you can just use it.. like an appliance, i suppose | 02:19 |
| oaulakh_ | my sound is not working in ubuntu studio | 05:05 |
| oaulakh_ | any help please...? | 05:06 |
| nv_ | in the volume manager, nothing is muted / turned down and you are using the correct output device? | 05:10 |
| nv_ | is your output device listed? | 05:10 |
| oaulakh_ | where's the volume manager | 05:16 |
| nv_ | volume icon -> sound settings. OR launcher menu -> media playback -> volume control | 05:18 |
| oaulakh_ | there no volume control | 05:20 |
| oaulakh_ | there's list audio or vedio tools | 05:20 |
| oaulakh_ | i'm using ubuntu studio 13.10 | 05:22 |
| nv_ | in your launcher menu, you do not have a menu called Media Playback? | 05:25 |
| nv_ | if not you can open a terminal from the launcher menu and type alsamixer | 05:26 |
| oaulakh_ | yeah its opened | 05:27 |
| oaulakh_ | and now what should i do | 05:27 |
| nv_ | what do you have for output devices? | 05:28 |
| oaulakh_ | how to check output devices? | 05:29 |
| nv_ | there is a tab that says output devices | 05:29 |
| nv_ | click it | 05:29 |
| nv_ | what is listed there | 05:30 |
| oaulakh_ | master, headphone, speaker, PCM, mic boost, beep, auto-mute, and internal | 05:31 |
| nv_ | oh your in alsamixer | 05:31 |
| oaulakh_ | yeah | 05:31 |
| oaulakh_ | i'm in alsamixer | 05:32 |
| nv_ | press F2 and select cards | 05:32 |
| oaulakh_ | f2 opening system information | 05:32 |
| oaulakh_ | f6 opens sound cards | 05:33 |
| oaulakh_ | i open it then? | 05:33 |
| nv_ | you can select the default sound card with f6 (if your PC has more than 1) F2 then Cards will list whats in there | 05:33 |
| nv_ | F2 then cards, what is there? | 05:34 |
| oaulakh_ | yeah i have two | 05:34 |
| oaulakh_ | cards but i have one nvidia and other one is intel | 05:35 |
| oaulakh_ | which should i select? | 05:35 |
| nv_ | does your computer have HDMI? | 05:36 |
| oaulakh_ | no | 05:36 |
| oaulakh_ | it has HDA INTEL PCA | 05:37 |
| oaulakh_ | HDA Nvidia | 05:37 |
| nv_ | which is currently set as default? | 05:37 |
| nv_ | lets just select both | 05:38 |
| nv_ | and make sure they are not turned down or muted | 05:38 |
| oaulakh_ | but nvidia is not turning up | 05:38 |
| nv_ | you can use the arrow keys left / right to move, up / down to modify | 05:38 |
| nv_ | you may need to install the propritary driver | 05:39 |
| oaulakh_ | but its not turning up | 05:39 |
| nv_ | in launcher menu -> system -> update manager -> settings -> additional drivers | 05:39 |
| oaulakh_ | its updating system | 05:41 |
| oaulakh_ | i will let you know after updating' | 05:46 |
| caodepalha | hello everyone. something strange just happened. I've turned on my laptop and my ubuntustudio is all messed up. My workplaces dissapeared, firefox starts up at login and I can't cloe the window and all other windows are not working properly. | 10:05 |
| caodepalha | any help please | 10:05 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, reboot | 10:05 |
| caodepalha | sorry... reboot. what do you mean? | 10:10 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, shutdown and restart the computer | 10:12 |
| caodepalha | I've done that several times. everything works fine in the gnome enviroment. but if i log into xfce or ubuntustudio desktop i get everything desconfigured | 10:13 |
| zequence | caodepalha: sounds like user settings are screwed up | 10:14 |
| zequence | caodepalha: either find the specific files in your home folder, that you want to delete (reset), or delete whole folders, such as ~/.config ~/.cache | 10:15 |
| caodepalha | It only happens in the ubuntustudio & xfce enviroment. just one workplace, windows are strange some can be closed or resizeble once opened and firefox opens by default and frezzes | 10:15 |
| caodepalha | what happens if i delete the whole folder? | 10:16 |
| cfhowlett | zequence, I'd agree - scrambled xfce4 config. | 10:19 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, then your settings will reconfigure themselves | 10:19 |
| caodepalha | nothing will be lost? | 10:20 |
| zequence | caodepalha: It means many settings will be reset, so if you want to back up some, do that first | 10:20 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, data? no, your data will be safe. | 10:20 |
| zequence | There are a lot of applications that store their settings in ~/.config | 10:20 |
| caodepalha | what settings are we talking about. sorry i'm still a noob | 10:20 |
| zequence | caodepalha: do: ls ~/.config | 10:20 |
| zequence | you'll see what is in there | 10:20 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, desktop appearances, as you'll see | 10:21 |
| caodepalha | back. my internet connection fell | 10:26 |
| caodepalha | should i delete all files in config? | 10:27 |
| zequence | caodepalha: Again, look in that folder, and decide yourself if you want to do that | 10:28 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, that would be the easiest thing to do. | 10:28 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, but proceed carefully | 10:28 |
| zequence | There might be settings you want to keep, that you spent some time adjusting. Myself, I would just delete the whole folde ~/.config | 10:28 |
| zequence | and ~/.cache | 10:29 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, the xfce settings are what seems to be scrambled. nuking those only might be the way to go | 10:29 |
| caodepalha | the is a folder called xfce4 is that the one? | 10:29 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, wait 1 | 10:29 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, yeah, that's the desktop environment settings folder | 10:30 |
| caodepalha | inside that folder i should go to the folder called desktop correct? | 10:31 |
| caodepalha | this is what is inside the folder xfce4: | 10:31 |
| caodepalha | desktop helpers.rc panel xfce4-notes.gtkrc xfce4-notes.rc xfce4-screenshooter xfconf xfwm4 | 10:31 |
| zequence | I'd just delete that whole folder | 10:32 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, the few times I've done it, I just killed xfce4 | 10:32 |
| caodepalha | should i just delete the folder? | 10:33 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, you may need to logout/login for full effect | 10:33 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, delete it or rename it will have the same effect. | 10:34 |
| caodepalha | can i rename it for just xfce? | 10:35 |
| cfhowlett | xfceBACKUP | 10:35 |
| cfhowlett | so you know what it is | 10:35 |
| caodepalha | rename xfce4 to xfceBACKUP then log out and log in into ubuntustudio right? | 10:35 |
| cfhowlett | yep | 10:36 |
| caodepalha | ok i'll give it a try and then come back here into the chat | 10:36 |
| caodepalha | ok i'm logged into ubuntustudio right now. firefox didn't start and freeze by default but still i have just one workplace and windows of programs cannot be closed or resizable | 10:43 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, xfce settings on the dock | 10:44 |
| caodepalha | yes... | 10:45 |
| caodepalha | i can't add workplaces for eex | 10:45 |
| cfhowlett | eex? what the ? | 10:48 |
| caodepalha | sorry. for example | 10:48 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, you mean a dedicated workspace for that program specifically? | 10:49 |
| caodepalha | on the top right corner i have only one workplace. going to xfce settings on the dock and to workplaces i can't add more. I also can only work one window at a time. that mean that i have to close that window before going to another. everything is pretty much the same the only diference now is that firefox doesnt start up by default and frezzes | 10:51 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, do you have another account on that machine to test with ? | 10:52 |
| caodepalha | yes | 10:52 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, switch over and play with the other settings | 10:52 |
| caodepalha | ok back in a second | 10:53 |
| caodepalha | ok on the other acount everything works fine | 10:57 |
| caodepalha | what's wrong with my other acount? | 10:58 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, good to know. okay then, here's the quick and dirty. nuke every hidden xfce folder in your /home and reset. Or you can go absolutely crazy and kill ALL the .hidden (ONLY the .hidden!!) files and rebuild it. | 11:00 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, if I had to guess, I'd suspect you set something somewhere and forgot what/where but now it's causing you pain. | 11:01 |
| caodepalha | how do i nuke everything hidden in the xfce folder? delete? you mean my /home in my other account right? | 11:02 |
| cfhowlett | exactly | 11:02 |
| cfhowlett | note: killing ALL .hidden folders in /home means resetting/reconfiguring all the programs there. so email/links/ etc are GONE | 11:03 |
| cfhowlett | email ACCOUNT settings not the email itself | 11:03 |
| caodepalha | ok just to check i go to the xfceBACKUP folder and delete everything. then log out and back in again correct? | 11:04 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, no. | 11:04 |
| caodepalha | sorry | 11:04 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, your xfcebackup folder is not the problem. | 11:04 |
| caodepalha | so i can kill just the hidden files in the /home folder of the account i'm having problems with? | 11:05 |
| cfhowlett | somewhere in your /home settings (GUESSING it's in xfce somewhere) you've got a conflict with what you want now. *nuke 'em all from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.* | 11:05 |
| zequence | caodepalha: If you take a look in ~/.config, you'll see a new folder named xfc4. But, the problem may be anywhere. It is safe to delete ~/.cache | 11:05 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, in fact, delete .cache before you try my method. | 11:06 |
| cfhowlett | zequence, thanks. forgot about .cache file | 11:06 |
| caodepalha | so please tell me how to do so. | 11:06 |
| caodepalha | can i do it from this account? | 11:06 |
| cfhowlett | rm filename from terminal or use file manager | 11:07 |
| zequence | deleting files of a different account needs root privilege | 11:07 |
| caodepalha | ok | 11:07 |
| zequence | sudo rm -R /path/to/folder | 11:07 |
| cfhowlett | caodepalha, so log out . go back to the problem account | 11:07 |
| caodepalha | ok back in a second | 11:08 |
| caodepalha | ok I'm logged into the problematic account now | 11:10 |
| caodepalha | what now? | 11:11 |
| caodepalha | i'll have to get this sorted latter. thanks for the help so far | 11:17 |
| Teleport | how to set audio latency with terminal? | 11:48 |
| Teleport | jackd to 4096 | 11:48 |
| Teleport | at 41k | 11:48 |
| zequence | Teleport: depends on if you're running jackd or jackdbus | 11:59 |
| zequence | Teleport: Check options for jackd with: jackd --help | 11:59 |
| zequence | but, to answer your question about jackd: jackd -d alsa -r 441000 -p 4096 | 11:59 |
| zequence | to see alsa options, do: jackd -d alsa --help | 12:00 |
| zequence | jackdbus runs from whatever settings you have saved | 12:00 |
| zequence | so, you could use qjackctl to make the settings, then do: jack_control start | 12:00 |
| Teleport | tnx zequence always you help me with these | 12:31 |
| Teleport | zequence Failed to open server | 12:32 |
| Teleport | zequence `default' server already active | 12:33 |
| Teleport | how to disable for a while to config?? | 12:33 |
| zequence | Teleport: I don't know what you are running now. Do: ps -eo comm | grep jack | 12:36 |
| zequence | Teleport: paste to http://paste.ubuntu.com | 12:36 |
| Teleport | zequence jackdbus | 12:39 |
| Teleport | only jackdbus | 12:40 |
| zequence | Teleport: jack_control stop | 12:49 |
| zequence | hmm, seems like those tools have changed on 13.10 (Debian Jessie) | 12:50 |
| zequence | Ah, no. I just seem to have had jack1 installed | 12:51 |
| Teleport | zequence I have jack2 | 12:59 |
| Teleport | brb restart | 13:00 |
| Teleport | zequence back | 13:05 |
| Teleport | zequence still doesnt work | 13:06 |
| Teleport | zequence I have Cadence | 13:06 |
| Teleport | zequence ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.48:/org/jackaudio/Controller: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 13:06 |
| zequence | Teleport: Just kill the process, and start from the beginning | 13:12 |
| zequence | killall -9 jackdbus | 13:12 |
| zequence | I don't know how Cadence works | 13:13 |
| zequence | Teleport: ask falktx for advice on kx tools | 13:13 |
| Teleport | zequence Cannot initialize driver | 13:14 |
| Teleport | JackServer::Open failed with -1 | 13:14 |
| Teleport | Failed to open server | 13:14 |
| Teleport | zequence Thanks | 13:20 |
| cfhowlett_ | http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/wp/wp-admin/ | 13:59 |
| zequence | cfhowlett_: You an admin for that page? | 14:00 |
| zequence | I'm thinking you meant http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/ | 14:00 |
| cfhowlett_ | zequence, thanks. no, it just popped up on #fedora-design and I thought I'd share. | 14:01 |
| cfhowlett_ | zequence, of course, if any kind soul wants to SPONSOR me, well ... | 14:01 |
| Siya | Any advice on 32 or 64 bit, when installing on an Atom D525? With just 2GB ram... | 14:28 |
| cfhowlett_ | Siya, pretty sure you want the 32 bit | 14:29 |
| Siya | cfhowlett_: kthnx, unetbootin takes ages to prep my usb install stick so was not looking forward to redoing it in 64 bit... | 14:31 |
| Siya | The D525 is 64 bit but the forum has talk about vst plugins etc not being 64 bit | 14:31 |
| cfhowlett_ | Siya, understood | 14:32 |
| cfhowlett_ | Siya, I think the limitation is the ram but I could be misinformed. 2 gigs is pretty minimal. running 64 bit in virtualbox killed my laptop. 32 bit seems to be marginally more functional. | 14:33 |
| * Siya is loving his SSD though, was about time I put it to good use | 14:33 | |
| Siya | cfhowlett_: I run pae on my work laptop (6yr old Dell D630) with 4GB ram | 14:34 |
| Siya | virtualbox runs quite well there | 14:34 |
| cfhowlett_ | cool. | 14:34 |
| Siya | Just trying to squeeze every little bit of speed out of this Atom cpu. Rakarrack are | 14:34 |
| Siya | s/ are/ is cpu hungry/ | 14:35 |
| cfhowlett_ | Siya, indeed they are. | 14:35 |
| Siya | running with HT off doesn't seem to make any difference to XRUNs in jack | 14:35 |
| Siya | Pitty that Rakarrack isn't multi treaded | 14:39 |
| Siya | s/tr/thr/ | 14:39 |
| Siya | Anyone here with experience of Pyjack? | 14:40 |
| cfhowlett_ | !opensourcemusicians | 14:40 |
| cfhowlett_ | #opensourcemusicians should know about that | 14:40 |
| Siya | kthnx | 14:41 |
| Siya | Either I continue with alsaaudio and snd-aloop or go direct with pyjack | 14:41 |
| Siya | argh... I had snd-aloop working with 4 outputs yesterday | 17:13 |
| Siya | Reinstalled and now I have 4 inputs | 17:13 |
| Siya | :( | 17:14 |
| aicasn | hey folks - i had a studio setup at one point that i would like to resurrect. cpu: amd athlon xp 500, mem: 1GB, drive: sata-150 320GB, software: win xp with protools | 20:17 |
| aicasn | i know it's old and slow...i still want to use it if possible because it use to work very well | 20:17 |
| aicasn | i'll be purchasing a lexicon omega to replace my old maudio firewire. my question is this: i don't know anything about linux-based audio tools. is there a difference between ubuntu studio and 64studio? can i expect that hardware combination + the Omega + ubuntu studio OR 64studio to perform at least as well as the xp+protools combination? | 20:19 |
| aicasn | and is there anything you guys think i might be missing in this setup? | 20:22 |
| zequence | 64studio hasn't been around for quite a while, I think' | 20:23 |
| zequence | generally, the software on all Linux distros is the same | 20:23 |
| zequence | it's just a matter of having different package managers for software installation, and a few other things | 20:24 |
| zequence | Ubuntu Studio has a custom menu, which might be a plus | 20:24 |
| aicasn | i'm familiar with linux and use it as my primary desktop OS. i was assuming that these distros ("studio") were pre-tweaked for audio recording so that users didn't have to bother | 20:24 |
| zequence | Yeah, but those configs are quite few in number | 20:24 |
| aicasn | eg. latency and pre-install packages | 20:24 |
| zequence | linux-lowlatency kernel, which is not a realtime kernel | 20:24 |
| zequence | and realtime privilege for the user | 20:25 |
| aicasn | yup | 20:25 |
| aicasn | so, more generally, on my crappy old athlon am I going to get the same (or better) performance using this set of tools than i did with xp+protools? | 20:25 |
| zequence | XFCE requires a lot more RAM than XP | 20:25 |
| zequence | 1GB is a bare minimum | 20:26 |
| zequence | for audio apps, that's pretty fine. But as soon as you use a web browser, such as Firefox, you'll find 1GB is a very small amount of RAM | 20:26 |
| aicasn | really? audio processing doesn't pretty much blow web browsing out of the water memory-wise? | 20:26 |
| zequence | processing doesn't really require RAM other than for the few kb ues | 20:27 |
| zequence | used* | 20:27 |
| zequence | If we're talking about plugins here | 20:27 |
| zequence | Then it's mostly a matter of the processor, how fast it is | 20:28 |
| zequence | I recommend installing Lubuntu | 20:28 |
| zequence | Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio linux-lowlatency | 20:28 |
| zequence | I think the custom menu should work, and it's called ubuntustudio-menu | 20:29 |
| aicasn | well typically what i use to do was: make a click track, add some rhythm and chordal stuff with maybe a reference vocal, then layer the real instrumentation on one-by-one. i usually have verb, compression, and eq on every track to some degree | 20:29 |
| zequence | then, to get realtime privilege: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER | 20:29 |
| aicasn | writing this down.... | 20:29 |
| zequence | I'd use external monitoring, so you don't need to have low latency while recording | 20:29 |
| aicasn | what do you mean by "external" monitoring? | 20:30 |
| zequence | When recording a guitar for instance, use an external mixer for monitorin the guitar, while hearing the already recorded music from the computer | 20:32 |
| zequence | This way, you don't need low latency at all | 20:32 |
| zequence | NOt unless you are using some sort of live effects in the computer, or a virtual synth that you are actively plaing | 20:32 |
| aicasn | so external mixing == playback from PC mixed with whatever is being sent in for recording? | 20:33 |
| zequence | yeah | 20:33 |
| aicasn | http://www.lexiconpro.com/en-US/products/omega | 20:33 |
| aicasn | wonder if this will handle that for me via the phono jack? | 20:34 |
| zequence | Did you make sure it's fully supported on Linux? | 20:34 |
| zequence | It has direct monitoring, yes | 20:34 |
| zequence | You can mix playback with whatever is going in ("direct") | 20:35 |
| zequence | The knob "Monitor Mix" | 20:35 |
| zequence | http://adn.harmanpro.com/product_attachments/product_attachments/861_1330541555/139_original.jpg | 20:35 |
| aicasn | and i would need to do something special to get the PC to playback thru the recording device? or linux will treat this device like a sound card and use it as a full-duplex device? | 20:36 |
| aicasn | i see. the knob label kinda gives it away, does it? :) | 20:37 |
| zequence | Most USB devices will at least work as 1.1 devices, meaning stereo in/out at 44.1 kHz | 20:37 |
| zequence | Linux has kind of poor support for USB 2.0 audio cards | 20:38 |
| zequence | http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_matrix | 20:38 |
| aicasn | hmm. well i haven't bought it yet. do you have a better recommendation for me? | 20:39 |
| aicasn | not to put it all on you; you've been very helpful already. i thought you might have a device in mind that you personally know works well | 20:40 |
| zequence | http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware | 20:40 |
| zequence | There is a USB 8x8 device that is very nice | 20:40 |
| zequence | But, I haven't used any myself | 20:41 |
| zequence | Presonus AudioBox-1818VSL | 20:41 |
| zequence | Full support | 20:41 |
| zequence | These are said to work as well Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 and 2i4 | 20:42 |
| aicasn | should i not choose something out of the desktop section rather than the laptop section? | 20:42 |
| zequence | PCI is the easiest. And in a way, firewire (except so few laptops have firewire these days) | 20:42 |
| zequence | I have a focusrite pro40 myself. Works great | 20:43 |
| zequence | Also, m-audio 1010LT | 20:43 |
| Imote | Hello ! | 20:44 |
| zequence | aicasn: If you don't need a device for laptops, don't buy a USB device, unless perhaps one of the two I listed above | 20:44 |
| aicasn | ah. well that narrows it down | 20:45 |
| aicasn | hi Imote | 20:45 |
| aicasn | zequence: i think your pro40 is a bit too much for my needs | 20:56 |
| aicasn | looks nice though | 20:56 |
| aicasn | 20 inputs. pfft | 20:56 |
| zequence | 8 I/O analogue | 20:56 |
| zequence | The rest is ADAT and spdif | 20:57 |
| zequence | you probably only need stereo? | 20:57 |
| aicasn | meh. 2 to 4 simultaneous channels (ie. 1 to 2 stereo) | 20:57 |
| aicasn | i picked the 4-bus lexicon to give myself room and because i could pick it up for < $200 | 20:58 |
| zequence | I do a lot of live processing with multiple audio sources, also - sometimes I record drums. I actually need an additional device for that | 20:59 |
| aicasn | electric drum kit or accoustic (real) drums? | 21:00 |
| zequence | acoustic. Otherwise I'd only need midi :) | 21:02 |
| aicasn | so you have various instrument mics placed around the kit that you're recording into separate mono channels? | 21:03 |
| zequence | Yes | 21:05 |
| zequence | 10-12 usually | 21:06 |
| aicasn | http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/862 your pro40 is listed as "experimental" by the ffado project. same as the lower-end pro14 | 21:07 |
| aicasn | suppose that means the 14 would work since you reported not having any issues with it | 21:07 |
| zequence | Don't know | 21:08 |
| zequence | the pro40 has been working fully for quite some time. There might be issues with the ffado-mixer still, not sure | 21:08 |
| zequence | There are other firewire devices that work well too | 21:08 |
| aicasn | do you know anything about the ethernet devices? i'm sure they're pricey but i wonder what the linux support is like for networked devices | 21:10 |
| aicasn | yeah nvm. waaay too much $$ | 21:16 |
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| oaulakh | my sound is not working all apps except vlc | 23:31 |
| oaulakh | my sound is not working in all apps except vlc | 23:31 |
| zequence | oaulakh: Not sure if you mean that vlc is the only thing working, or the other way around | 23:33 |
| oaulakh | only vlc is working good | 23:33 |
| oaulakh | and other all does'nt have sound? | 23:34 |
| oaulakh | why that happening in ubunt studio? | 23:34 |
| zequence | if standard settings for vlc work, then desktop audio in general works | 23:35 |
| zequence | did you change vlc audio settings? | 23:35 |
| oaulakh | no | 23:37 |
| oaulakh | yeah working | 23:37 |
| oaulakh | sory.... | 23:37 |
| oaulakh | when i set alsa mixer when vlc was working, i press F5 for dfault setting for all like vlc have and ta da its working on same settings for all | 23:39 |
| oaulakh | thank you very much | 23:39 |
| zequence | np | 23:52 |
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