| jamiet74 | new to linux have 13.10 but need help | 00:01 |
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| ochosi | jamiet74: hey, best to head over to the support channel (#xubuntu) | 00:05 |
| ochosi | ali1234: indeed! nice work | 00:14 |
| ochosi | so would you say it's merge-ready or are there any open issues atm? | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | there are some issues still | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | sometimes the scroll events fall through to applications (sometimes they don't) | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | i'm not yet sure if that thing i think is a bug, is really a bug | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | it's either something really clever i don't understand, or a really stupid bug | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | the hardcoded framerate thing too | 00:18 |
| ochosi | but those things are in xfwm4 now anyways, no? | 00:19 |
| ochosi | (not the scroll issue) | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | not exactly | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | i mean i had to "fix" the "bug" to make this work, yeah? | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | but if it's not a bug, then my fix is not a fix | 00:20 |
| ochosi | oh | 00:20 |
| ochosi | i see | 00:20 |
| ochosi | btw, how could i reproduce the scroll-problems? | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | also, it could do with a config screen in "window manager tweaks" - no idea how to do that though | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | scroll problems? | 00:21 |
| ochosi | "sometimes the scroll events fall through" | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | oh, open say, gedit and then open a long source file, and then zoom in with the pointer over the source | 00:21 |
| ochosi | could that be a gtk3 thing? | 00:22 |
| ochosi | i don't see that behavior in mousepad (while i can reproduce it in gedit) | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | could be, yeah | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | i don't see it with pidgin, not sure what that uses | 00:23 |
| ochosi | i think gtk2, but i could be wrong | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | nor xfce4-terminal | 00:23 |
| ochosi | (as i don't use pidgin) | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | nor xterm... it needs fixing anyway though | 00:23 |
| ochosi | i also don't see it with skype | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | firefox is okay too | 00:24 |
| ochosi | sounds like the list of problematic apps is shorter than the one where it works | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah. i haven't really tried to debug it yet | 00:29 |
| ochosi | ali1234: evince (gtk3) also has the scrolling issue | 00:35 |
| elfy | knome: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/23/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t18:27 - sudo -i was the end of that conversation @19:30 | 07:14 |
| elfy | and it works fine here - gksudo is not installed by default anymore - so shouldn't be on the testcase | 07:14 |
| knome | elfy, sudo -i doesn't work for me. | 09:14 |
| slickymaster | good morning all | 09:34 |
| slickymaster | elfy, ping | 09:36 |
| knome | morning slickymaster | 09:40 |
| slickymaster | good morning knome | 09:42 |
| slickymaster | elfy, as soon as you can have a few minutes to spare, please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html | 09:56 |
| slickymaster | elfy: sorry, the correct link is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t22:29 not the previous one | 10:18 |
| ochosi | pleia2, knome: i finalized the wiki pages now for the 14.04 wallpapers submissions (added an example submission of mine), if you wanna review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Submissions | 11:29 |
| knome | ochosi, haha, look at it yourself! | 11:30 |
| ochosi | ? | 11:31 |
| knome | load the page in your browser | 11:31 |
| ochosi | ah nice | 11:32 |
| ochosi | that was really fast :) | 11:32 |
| ochosi | i'd suggest to crop the resolution though | 11:32 |
| knome | yeah, i catched the message | 11:32 |
| ochosi | it's just a few px | 11:32 |
| knome | well, it's bigger than we need, just proves it's big enough | 11:32 |
| knome | imo | 11:32 |
| ochosi | right, that's fine too | 11:33 |
| ochosi | ok, so i'll rewrite the email to reflect the changes on the guidelines and then send it to the MLs | 11:33 |
| knome | sounds good | 11:33 |
| ochosi | oh, btw, are you fine with ppl giving feedback on the -dev-ml? | 11:34 |
| ochosi | or would you prefer the users-ml | 11:34 |
| ochosi | "Specific comments and words of encouragement may be posted to the Xubuntu development mailing list." | 11:34 |
| knome | ummph | 11:34 |
| knome | i suppose, yeah | 11:34 |
| ochosi | we can also let things happen on the users-ml | 11:34 |
| ochosi | i don't mind | 11:34 |
| knome | well -devel is more appropriate | 11:35 |
| ochosi | it's just that i'm not subscribed atm :} | 11:35 |
| ochosi | ok good | 11:35 |
| knome | i do prefer -devel as well | 11:35 |
| knome | i'm only monitoring -users | 11:35 |
| knome | (mostly) | 11:35 |
| ochosi | fwiw, could you quickly link me to tomorrow's meeting's agenda? | 11:35 |
| ochosi | i have to add one update-item | 11:36 |
| ochosi | or wait i'll find it myself | 11:36 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 11:36 |
| knome | lazy boy | 11:36 |
| ochosi | hehe | 11:37 |
| knome | STGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHH BBB<>>>zUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~5~~JH MNJUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBNXDN IÖOUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0~~+11111111110+++++++++++++++++++- | 11:40 |
| knome | 4+ | 11:40 |
| knome | ooops. | 11:40 |
| knome | guess what i'm doing | 11:40 |
| ochosi | trying to push someone's buttons? | 11:42 |
| knome | :P | 11:42 |
| knome | naw, cleaning my keyboard | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | knome: random keygenerator | 11:48 |
| knome | very bad one at that if it was one | 11:48 |
| knome | :| | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | knome: I meant you were create random noise for a key creation :) | 11:53 |
| slickymaster | brainwash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477 | 12:25 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 729477 in gnome-system-tools "gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2ubuntu2 crashed with the following message: users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Important,Open] | 12:25 |
| elfy | knome - you seriously can't get sudo -i to work in a terminal? | 13:03 |
| elfy | oh - mmm | 13:04 |
| elfy | nvm | 13:04 |
| elfy | I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway | 13:04 |
| elfy | as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is | 13:05 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ^^ | 13:05 |
| slickymaster | yeah I saw it, elfy | 13:06 |
| slickymaster | elfy: you can get sudo -i to work in terminal, even though you will not be using a graphical sudo and therefore it shouldn't be advised. The problem I pointed is due to the fact that in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1585/results it will be required ti run sudo -i mousepad in aplication finder dialog box and it's that that doesn't works as it doesn't launch mousepad at all, | 13:13 |
| elfy | <elfy> I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway | 13:14 |
| elfy | <elfy> as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is | 13:14 |
| elfy | then there is no issue :) | 13:14 |
| elfy | I just happened to write it while I was doing stuff and used that command - probably better to not have a root anything in a testcase | 13:15 |
| slickymaster | elfy: yeah, I agree with you. The few tests that do require the use of administrative privileges are specific and mostly relate to server installs | 13:16 |
| * elfy is too old to try doing more than one thing at a time - should have left the bug till the weekend | 13:16 | |
| elfy | anyway - only got 14 mins of lunch left - bbl | 13:16 |
| * slickymaster thinks that elfy isn't familiar with a portuguese saying that only old rags are old | 13:17 | |
| elfy | lol | 13:17 |
| slickymaster | ;) | 13:17 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i implemented screen-blanking in the greeter on locking with light-locker, so the vt-flickering should be a bit less now | 13:48 |
| elfy | knome: I've pushed change to appfinder for approval, changed root thunar to non-root thunar | 14:59 |
| brainwash | ochosi: I'll test that | 16:34 |
| ochosi | good, lemme know how it goes | 16:35 |
| ochosi | i can tell you in advance that this is what's happening: | 16:35 |
| ochosi | screensaver-timeout -> screen-blank -> screen-off (dpms/vt-switching) -> screen-blank | 16:35 |
| ochosi | so there's some stuff going on with your display | 16:35 |
| ochosi | but it's between off and black | 16:35 |
| brainwash | ochosi: ok, but it will be still ugly on my test system due to the resolution change | 16:37 |
| ochosi | what resolution change? | 16:37 |
| ochosi | vbox? | 16:38 |
| brainwash | when switching vt | 16:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, but how would you even see that, the screen is blanked the whole time | 16:38 |
| ochosi | or are you using virtualbox or something like that? | 16:38 |
| brainwash | no | 16:38 |
| brainwash | but the proprietary AMD graphics driver | 16:39 |
| brainwash | so no kms | 16:39 |
| brainwash | so I'll test in like some minutes | 16:40 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and we need to fix the greeter to not paint the background specified in the config file if there is an accountsservice one available | 16:43 |
| brainwash | always forgetting about this | 16:43 |
| slickymaster | brainwash, just a FYI http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477 | 16:43 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 729477 in gnome-system-tools "gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2ubuntu2 crashed with the following message: users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Important,Open] | 16:43 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, so also no kms, still not sure what resolution issues you have | 16:44 |
| brainwash | slickymaster: great, but I still feel that we need to fix this | 16:45 |
| brainwash | ochosi: my virtual console does not support my native resolution (amd bios limitation) | 16:46 |
| slickymaster | brainwash: yes, you're right. But apparently the package does have a maintainer, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org> | 16:46 |
| brainwash | slickymaster: nice, so lets give him some time to read the report and comment on it :) | 16:48 |
| brainwash | ochosi: I recall that some indicators are visible, but don't show any menu when the screen is locked | 16:50 |
| brainwash | like the session selector | 16:51 |
| brainwash | no wait | 16:51 |
| ochosi | yeah | 16:51 |
| ochosi | that's supposed to be like that | 16:51 |
| brainwash | that wasn't the latest version of the greeter | 16:51 |
| ochosi | we're planning to hide them | 16:51 |
| ochosi | or make them look "insensitive" | 16:52 |
| ochosi | because you can't change your session or language as long as it's running | 16:52 |
| brainwash | right, got a bit confused, because a local installation of the greeter also ships with an "empty" copy of the greeter config file | 16:53 |
| brainwash | not using the xubuntu default one | 16:53 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yeah, the res change is the issue, makes the vt switch really ugly | 16:58 |
| brainwash | I'll test it on another machine then | 16:58 |
| ochosi | i'm sometimes wondering whether a little helper app to switch between a couple of predefined panel-layouts could be helpful for new users | 18:03 |
| knome | ochosi, ++ if it can also save panel layouts | 18:04 |
| ochosi | i was thinking it could offer stuff like "windows-like layout", gnome2-layout, etc | 18:05 |
| ochosi | only thing is only panel-internal plugins could be used | 18:05 |
| knome | ochosi, sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to save panel layouts, right? | 18:05 |
| ochosi | or it'd have to do more complex checks for what's installed | 18:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, they're just xml files | 18:05 |
| knome | yep | 18:05 |
| knome | bluesabre, lderan: ping | 18:06 |
| knome | ^ idea for you next little pet project | 18:06 |
| ochosi | it could basically be a script with a graphical frontend | 18:06 |
| knome | definitely | 18:06 |
| ochosi | a bit like gtk-theme-config | 18:06 |
| ochosi | small, yet useful | 18:06 |
| knome | yep | 18:06 |
| knome | exactly | 18:06 |
| knome | ultimately i think things like that is what xubuntu can really "bring to the table" when discussing if xubuntu is just ubuntu+xfce or a differing experience | 18:07 |
| ochosi | yeah | 18:07 |
| ochosi | bbl | 18:08 |
| slickymaster | knome: you were right, it's not possible to build the translated versions of xubuntu-docs | 18:10 |
| knome | slickymaster, well, it is *possible*... | 18:13 |
| knome | i just don't know how | 18:13 |
| slickymaster | knome: that meke two if us :) | 18:13 |
| slickymaster | make ^^ | 18:13 |
| slickymaster | well have to go now. bbl | 18:13 |
| Unit193 | knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/desktop-guide/ ? | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: couldn't it install the necessary plugins with packagekit? | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | a bit like how gstreamer plugins get installed | 18:38 |
| Unit193 | knome: pt and ru seem most complete. | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | it would be good if it backed up the user's current config too | 18:40 |
| brainwash | mmh, predefined panel configurations aren't really that useful, but a tool to save and switch between custom ones might be helpful for the user | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | no, predefined ones would be great | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | the biggest problem of a customizable desktop is that 99% of all possible combinations are rubbish | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | kind of like how nearly all random strings of letters are meaningless | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | if it can install extra plugins with package kit that is even better | 18:48 |
| brainwash | sounds redundant to me, but I usually don't use any panels anyway :) | 18:49 |
| brainwash | however, I like the aspect of saving/restoring panel configurations | 18:50 |
| knome | Unit193, that. did you do that manually or with a Makefile? | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | knome: Define "manually" ? I didn't add it to the makefile because I'm better with bash. :P | 19:21 |
| knome | feel free to share your script | 19:22 |
| knome | i'm looking at stuff around that now | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | knome: do we want to tweet/blog post wallpaper call? | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | or keep it small this time around? | 19:23 |
| knome | dunno. | 19:23 |
| knome | you can decide :) | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | decisions! | 19:24 |
| knome | talk with ochosi if you're unable to | 19:24 |
| === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 | ||
| Unit193 | Hrm, I just deleted the po dir, I needed that and not sure how to get it back without a re-clone. :P | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | git checkout po | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | bzr, and it didn't like that. | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't know how to do this with bzr | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | usually i just go to #bzr and say "how do i do git checkout with bzr?" | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | this really annoys them | 19:33 |
| Unit193 | Hah, niice! | 19:34 |
| Unit193 | knome: You be slacking for sure on the fi translation. ;) | 20:10 |
| Unit193 | Some ENTs are invalid too. | 20:11 |
| Unit193 | knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/ is a random mockup just so you can see all languages, but that'll get overwritten Sunday (script runs to bzr pull and re-up) | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.debian.net/65696/ for example. | 20:49 |
| knome | Unit193, hah. | 20:55 |
| Unit193 | Updated my gen script so an automated run will include the translated links. | 20:56 |
| knome | yup | 20:56 |
| knome | wondering if there should be a somewhat different all-languages landing page | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | 00 07 */3 * * Oh, changed it from Sunday after all. | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | But yes, guessing the pot file isn't correct? | 20:57 |
| * knome shrugs | 20:59 | |
| knome | should look into it | 21:00 |
| knome | we also need to make the header title non-image | 21:01 |
| knome | but um | 21:01 |
| knome | what was your build script? | 21:01 |
| knome | Unit193, ^ | 21:01 |
| Unit193 | I edited scripts/translate.sh and ran a couple lines, now in my normal update script. It works, but don't think it's proper. | 21:02 |
| knome | oki | 21:02 |
| knome | that script was quite messed up. | 21:02 |
| knome | not completely, but it wasn't perfect either | 21:02 |
| knome | we also should use some limit value | 21:03 |
| knome | eg. only show translations n% done | 21:03 |
| knome | for po4a-translate (another tool) the default was 80%. | 21:03 |
| knome | which sounds pretty accurate | 21:03 |
| knome | but i don't know how to calculate that percentage across all the files | 21:03 |
| knome | and re: the finnish translation, that was just a test to make sure the automatic translation updates were working :P | 21:04 |
| knome | but i suppose i could take a weekend and tap it in | 21:04 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/tjJPLkIztfnVRnPcW0de/ still isn't proper, but it's all I needed to change to get it working. | 21:05 |
| knome | mm, | 21:05 |
| Unit193 | And of course the other half. :P | 21:06 |
| knome | bleh. | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | '$doc' isn't used, but I left choose_language ${doc} ${lang} rather than fixing for one example. :D | 21:06 |
| knome | did that create a lot of lang (eg. "pt") directories in the wrong place, like all parent directories it could write to? | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | Hah, it tried to turn all files into dirs because of the cd .. thing. :D | 21:07 |
| knome | heh. | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/0qyqEGXPKgc4UJ1BLXNS/ is the jist of it, but just the function, still have the rest of the script to fully generate, sed a line or two, and upload. | 21:10 |
| knome | what's $dir? | 21:11 |
| knome | i'm wondering what directory structure we want | 21:12 |
| Unit193 | 1. Check the script. 2. Check the site. 3. for dir in `ls | grep -ve po -e Makefile -e libs -e C` == the language name. | 21:14 |
| knome | so if i got it right, includes are copied once per language? | 21:15 |
| Unit193 | Yep, but could easily be fixed I just was trying to stay close to default. | 21:15 |
| knome | was thinking the same at this point as well. | 21:16 |
| knome | but we could move C to a subdirectory as well | 21:16 |
| knome | then simply have one includes-dir | 21:16 |
| knome | and it would be consistent regarding relative path for everything | 21:17 |
| Unit193 | I have it in en_US. | 21:17 |
| knome | slickymaster, http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/ | 21:44 |
| slickymaster | fabulous knome. Now it's much easier for me to proofread it | 21:45 |
| slickymaster | I would love to know how did he build it, though | 21:46 |
| knome | note that it's not the latest one though | 21:46 |
| knome | there are various ways to do it, but you probably want to let Unit193 do it :) | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | knome, not the latest one? what do you mean? | 21:47 |
| knome | slickymaster, short answer: xml2po or po4a-translate then xsltproc | 21:47 |
| knome | slickymaster, not all the translated strings are up-to-date | 21:47 |
| knome | (yet) | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: That's built on a 00 07 */3 * * cronjob. | 21:47 |
| knome | and it depends on LP running the automatic translation updates as well | 21:47 |
| slickymaster | knome, Unit193 Got it | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | knome, Unit193 well it's a pretty decent start | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | point for what I need any way | 21:49 |
| knome | yep | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Also, if that site is too slow, it's "mirrored" at http://vanir.unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/ | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | thank you both guys | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 21:49 |
| knome | yep, no problem | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Glad it's actually helpful. | 21:50 |
| knome | hopefully we'll get something usable in the trusty images ASAP | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, the response seems pretty decent, but it's good the know the mirror url | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | knome, Unit193, at a first glance, it's noticeable that there are still quite a few items untranslated | 21:59 |
| knome | yep, that should be fixed soon enough | 21:59 |
| * Unit193 didn't do any, not his fault. ;P | 21:59 | |
| Unit193 | Yeah, noticed. | 21:59 |
| * slickymaster is convinced that Unit193 is off the hook, but knome .... hmmm | 22:00 | |
| knome | heh | 22:01 |
| knome | i suck so bad at technical writing in finnish :( | 22:04 |
| slickymaster | that's probably because you're more used to do it in english | 22:05 |
| knome | definitely... | 22:10 |
| knome | the ugly truth is that i read and write much more english than finnish | 22:11 |
| slickymaster | yeah, you right about that, it's not pretty | 22:11 |
| knome | me neither. | 22:11 |
| knome | (am pretty) | 22:11 |
| slickymaster | when one tends to use more often a foreign language then our native one | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | knome: I'm bad at it in English. :D | 22:12 |
| knome | Unit193, hah. | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | I've seen your English, I don't want to see your Finnish. ;) | 22:13 |
| knome | lol | 22:13 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:13 |
| knome | thanks... | 22:13 |
| knome | seriously, i'm tapping in the finnish translation, and i'm struggling to find the word for "encourage"... | 22:14 |
| slickymaster | knome, as we're on the translations topics, do you mind a request? | 22:15 |
| knome | i do mind; please tell me ;) | 22:15 |
| ochosi | ali1234: sure it could install plugins via packagekit. actually we could use a real packagekit implementation for parole's gstreamer plugins (if you know packagekit or wanna get to know it ;)), currently we're using a gst-internal helper-script | 22:18 |
| slickymaster | knome, sorry, my kid call me | 22:18 |
| slickymaster | knome, what I was talking about relates to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu | 22:18 |
| knome | ah, the slideshow translations | 22:19 |
| slickymaster | knome, do you think you can find the time to make it's translations available | 22:19 |
| knome | i'll have to look at it | 22:20 |
| slickymaster | yes, I was thinking that it would be nice that Trusty, at least Xubuntu, will be shipped completely Portuguese compatible | 22:20 |
| slickymaster | at least in what I can manage to help on that goal | 22:21 |
| knome | slickymaster, i think the package needs to be uploaded to trusty before you're able to translate that | 22:26 |
| slickymaster | knome, you're probably right. I was fiddling in LP and I noticed that the translation sharing configuration with Ubiquity Slideshow trunk series is still incomplete | 22:29 |
| slickymaster | knome, we'll wait | 22:29 |
| knome | yep, i wouldn't be too worried about it until next year | 22:30 |
| knome | we might want to even change the strings, so if you translated it now, some of the work might be in vain | 22:30 |
| slickymaster | knome, exactly and provided we can to do it before docs freeze, we'll be alright | 22:31 |
| knome | definitely | 22:32 |
| knome | no reason why we couldn't | 22:32 |
| slickymaster | yeap | 22:32 |
| ochosi | ali1234: if you wanna pick up an existing project, this is most likely a good starting point: http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-profile-manager/ | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | knome: heyo! | 23:11 |
| knome | hey bluesabre :) | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | whats up? | 23:15 |
| knome | translating the docs! | 23:18 |
| knome | 16% done | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | woot! | 23:20 |
| knome | 18% done ;) | 23:29 |
| slickymaster | cy guys tomorrow | 23:56 |
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