[00:01] new to linux have 13.10 but need help [00:05] jamiet74: hey, best to head over to the support channel (#xubuntu) [00:14] ali1234: indeed! nice work [00:16] so would you say it's merge-ready or are there any open issues atm? [00:16] there are some issues still [00:16] sometimes the scroll events fall through to applications (sometimes they don't) [00:17] i'm not yet sure if that thing i think is a bug, is really a bug [00:17] it's either something really clever i don't understand, or a really stupid bug [00:18] the hardcoded framerate thing too [00:19] but those things are in xfwm4 now anyways, no? [00:19] (not the scroll issue) [00:19] not exactly [00:20] i mean i had to "fix" the "bug" to make this work, yeah? [00:20] but if it's not a bug, then my fix is not a fix [00:20] oh [00:20] i see [00:20] btw, how could i reproduce the scroll-problems? [00:21] also, it could do with a config screen in "window manager tweaks" - no idea how to do that though [00:21] scroll problems? [00:21] "sometimes the scroll events fall through" [00:21] oh, open say, gedit and then open a long source file, and then zoom in with the pointer over the source [00:22] could that be a gtk3 thing? [00:22] i don't see that behavior in mousepad (while i can reproduce it in gedit) [00:22] could be, yeah [00:23] i don't see it with pidgin, not sure what that uses [00:23] i think gtk2, but i could be wrong [00:23] nor xfce4-terminal [00:23] (as i don't use pidgin) [00:23] nor xterm... it needs fixing anyway though [00:23] i also don't see it with skype [00:24] firefox is okay too [00:29] sounds like the list of problematic apps is shorter than the one where it works [00:29] yeah. i haven't really tried to debug it yet [00:35] ali1234: evince (gtk3) also has the scrolling issue [07:14] knome: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/23/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t18:27 - sudo -i was the end of that conversation @19:30 [07:14] and it works fine here - gksudo is not installed by default anymore - so shouldn't be on the testcase [09:14] elfy, sudo -i doesn't work for me. [09:34] good morning all [09:36] elfy, ping [09:40] morning slickymaster [09:42] good morning knome [09:56] elfy, as soon as you can have a few minutes to spare, please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html [10:18] elfy: sorry, the correct link is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t22:29 not the previous one [11:29] pleia2, knome: i finalized the wiki pages now for the 14.04 wallpapers submissions (added an example submission of mine), if you wanna review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Submissions [11:30] ochosi, haha, look at it yourself! [11:31] ? [11:31] load the page in your browser [11:32] ah nice [11:32] that was really fast :) [11:32] i'd suggest to crop the resolution though [11:32] yeah, i catched the message [11:32] it's just a few px [11:32] well, it's bigger than we need, just proves it's big enough [11:32] imo [11:33] right, that's fine too [11:33] ok, so i'll rewrite the email to reflect the changes on the guidelines and then send it to the MLs [11:33] sounds good [11:34] oh, btw, are you fine with ppl giving feedback on the -dev-ml? [11:34] or would you prefer the users-ml [11:34] "Specific comments and words of encouragement may be posted to the Xubuntu development mailing list." [11:34] ummph [11:34] i suppose, yeah [11:34] we can also let things happen on the users-ml [11:34] i don't mind [11:35] well -devel is more appropriate [11:35] it's just that i'm not subscribed atm :} [11:35] ok good [11:35] i do prefer -devel as well [11:35] i'm only monitoring -users [11:35] (mostly) [11:35] fwiw, could you quickly link me to tomorrow's meeting's agenda? [11:36] i have to add one update-item [11:36] or wait i'll find it myself [11:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [11:36] lazy boy [11:37] hehe [11:40] STGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHH BBB<>>>zUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~5~~JH MNJUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBNXDN IÖOUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0~~+11111111110+++++++++++++++++++- [11:40] 4+ [11:40] ooops. [11:40] guess what i'm doing [11:42] trying to push someone's buttons? [11:42] :P [11:42] naw, cleaning my keyboard [11:48] knome: random keygenerator [11:48] very bad one at that if it was one [11:48] :| [11:53] knome: I meant you were create random noise for a key creation :) [12:25] brainwash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477 [12:25] Debian bug 729477 in gnome-system-tools "gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2ubuntu2 crashed with the following message: users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Important,Open] [13:03] knome - you seriously can't get sudo -i to work in a terminal? [13:04] oh - mmm [13:04] nvm [13:04] I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway [13:05] as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is [13:05] slickymaster: ^^ [13:06] yeah I saw it, elfy [13:13] elfy: you can get sudo -i to work in terminal, even though you will not be using a graphical sudo and therefore it shouldn't be advised. The problem I pointed is due to the fact that in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1585/results it will be required ti run sudo -i mousepad in aplication finder dialog box and it's that that doesn't works as it doesn't launch mousepad at all, [13:14] I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway [13:14] as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is [13:14] then there is no issue :) [13:15] I just happened to write it while I was doing stuff and used that command - probably better to not have a root anything in a testcase [13:16] elfy: yeah, I agree with you. The few tests that do require the use of administrative privileges are specific and mostly relate to server installs [13:16] * elfy is too old to try doing more than one thing at a time - should have left the bug till the weekend [13:16] anyway - only got 14 mins of lunch left - bbl [13:17] * slickymaster thinks that elfy isn't familiar with a portuguese saying that only old rags are old [13:17] lol [13:17] ;) [13:48] brainwash: i implemented screen-blanking in the greeter on locking with light-locker, so the vt-flickering should be a bit less now [14:59] knome: I've pushed change to appfinder for approval, changed root thunar to non-root thunar [16:34] ochosi: I'll test that [16:35] good, lemme know how it goes [16:35] i can tell you in advance that this is what's happening: [16:35] screensaver-timeout -> screen-blank -> screen-off (dpms/vt-switching) -> screen-blank [16:35] so there's some stuff going on with your display [16:35] but it's between off and black [16:37] ochosi: ok, but it will be still ugly on my test system due to the resolution change [16:37] what resolution change? [16:38] vbox? [16:38] when switching vt [16:38] yeah, but how would you even see that, the screen is blanked the whole time [16:38] or are you using virtualbox or something like that? [16:38] no [16:39] but the proprietary AMD graphics driver [16:39] so no kms [16:40] so I'll test in like some minutes [16:43] ochosi: and we need to fix the greeter to not paint the background specified in the config file if there is an accountsservice one available [16:43] always forgetting about this [16:43] brainwash, just a FYI http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477 [16:43] Debian bug 729477 in gnome-system-tools "gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2ubuntu2 crashed with the following message: users-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Important,Open] [16:44] brainwash: i'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, so also no kms, still not sure what resolution issues you have [16:45] slickymaster: great, but I still feel that we need to fix this [16:46] ochosi: my virtual console does not support my native resolution (amd bios limitation) [16:46] brainwash: yes, you're right. But apparently the package does have a maintainer, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [16:48] slickymaster: nice, so lets give him some time to read the report and comment on it :) [16:50] ochosi: I recall that some indicators are visible, but don't show any menu when the screen is locked [16:51] like the session selector [16:51] no wait [16:51] yeah [16:51] that's supposed to be like that [16:51] that wasn't the latest version of the greeter [16:51] we're planning to hide them [16:52] or make them look "insensitive" [16:52] because you can't change your session or language as long as it's running [16:53] right, got a bit confused, because a local installation of the greeter also ships with an "empty" copy of the greeter config file [16:53] not using the xubuntu default one [16:58] ochosi: yeah, the res change is the issue, makes the vt switch really ugly [16:58] I'll test it on another machine then [18:03] i'm sometimes wondering whether a little helper app to switch between a couple of predefined panel-layouts could be helpful for new users [18:04] ochosi, ++ if it can also save panel layouts [18:05] i was thinking it could offer stuff like "windows-like layout", gnome2-layout, etc [18:05] only thing is only panel-internal plugins could be used [18:05] ochosi, sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to save panel layouts, right? [18:05] or it'd have to do more complex checks for what's installed [18:05] yeah, they're just xml files [18:05] yep [18:06] bluesabre, lderan: ping [18:06] ^ idea for you next little pet project [18:06] it could basically be a script with a graphical frontend [18:06] definitely [18:06] a bit like gtk-theme-config [18:06] small, yet useful [18:06] yep [18:06] exactly [18:07] ultimately i think things like that is what xubuntu can really "bring to the table" when discussing if xubuntu is just ubuntu+xfce or a differing experience [18:07] yeah [18:08] bbl [18:10] knome: you were right, it's not possible to build the translated versions of xubuntu-docs [18:13] slickymaster, well, it is *possible*... [18:13] i just don't know how [18:13] knome: that meke two if us :) [18:13] make ^^ [18:13] well have to go now. bbl [18:35] knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/desktop-guide/ ? [18:37] ochosi: couldn't it install the necessary plugins with packagekit? [18:38] a bit like how gstreamer plugins get installed [18:38] knome: pt and ru seem most complete. [18:40] it would be good if it backed up the user's current config too [18:46] mmh, predefined panel configurations aren't really that useful, but a tool to save and switch between custom ones might be helpful for the user [18:47] no, predefined ones would be great [18:47] the biggest problem of a customizable desktop is that 99% of all possible combinations are rubbish [18:47] kind of like how nearly all random strings of letters are meaningless [18:48] if it can install extra plugins with package kit that is even better [18:49] sounds redundant to me, but I usually don't use any panels anyway :) [18:50] however, I like the aspect of saving/restoring panel configurations [18:50] Unit193, that. did you do that manually or with a Makefile? [19:21] knome: Define "manually" ? I didn't add it to the makefile because I'm better with bash. :P [19:22] feel free to share your script [19:22] i'm looking at stuff around that now [19:23] knome: do we want to tweet/blog post wallpaper call? [19:23] or keep it small this time around? [19:23] dunno. [19:23] you can decide :) [19:24] decisions! [19:24] talk with ochosi if you're unable to === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 [19:30] Hrm, I just deleted the po dir, I needed that and not sure how to get it back without a re-clone. :P [19:31] git checkout po [19:32] bzr, and it didn't like that. [19:33] i don't know how to do this with bzr [19:33] usually i just go to #bzr and say "how do i do git checkout with bzr?" [19:33] this really annoys them [19:34] Hah, niice! [20:10] knome: You be slacking for sure on the fi translation. ;) [20:11] Some ENTs are invalid too. [20:37] knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/ is a random mockup just so you can see all languages, but that'll get overwritten Sunday (script runs to bzr pull and re-up) [20:49] http://paste.debian.net/65696/ for example. [20:55] Unit193, hah. [20:56] Updated my gen script so an automated run will include the translated links. [20:56] yup [20:56] wondering if there should be a somewhat different all-languages landing page [20:57] 00 07 */3 * * Oh, changed it from Sunday after all. [20:57] But yes, guessing the pot file isn't correct? [20:59] * knome shrugs [21:00] should look into it [21:01] we also need to make the header title non-image [21:01] but um [21:01] what was your build script? [21:01] Unit193, ^ [21:02] I edited scripts/translate.sh and ran a couple lines, now in my normal update script. It works, but don't think it's proper. [21:02] oki [21:02] that script was quite messed up. [21:02] not completely, but it wasn't perfect either [21:03] we also should use some limit value [21:03] eg. only show translations n% done [21:03] for po4a-translate (another tool) the default was 80%. [21:03] which sounds pretty accurate [21:03] but i don't know how to calculate that percentage across all the files [21:04] and re: the finnish translation, that was just a test to make sure the automatic translation updates were working :P [21:04] but i suppose i could take a weekend and tap it in [21:05] http://paste.openstack.org/show/tjJPLkIztfnVRnPcW0de/ still isn't proper, but it's all I needed to change to get it working. [21:05] mm, [21:06] And of course the other half. :P [21:06] bleh. [21:06] '$doc' isn't used, but I left choose_language ${doc} ${lang} rather than fixing for one example. :D [21:06] did that create a lot of lang (eg. "pt") directories in the wrong place, like all parent directories it could write to? [21:07] Hah, it tried to turn all files into dirs because of the cd .. thing. :D [21:09] heh. [21:10] http://paste.openstack.org/show/0qyqEGXPKgc4UJ1BLXNS/ is the jist of it, but just the function, still have the rest of the script to fully generate, sed a line or two, and upload. [21:11] what's $dir? [21:12] i'm wondering what directory structure we want [21:14] 1. Check the script. 2. Check the site. 3. for dir in `ls | grep -ve po -e Makefile -e libs -e C` == the language name. [21:15] so if i got it right, includes are copied once per language? [21:15] Yep, but could easily be fixed I just was trying to stay close to default. [21:16] was thinking the same at this point as well. [21:16] but we could move C to a subdirectory as well [21:16] then simply have one includes-dir [21:17] and it would be consistent regarding relative path for everything [21:17] I have it in en_US. [21:44] slickymaster, http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/ [21:45] fabulous knome. Now it's much easier for me to proofread it [21:46] I would love to know how did he build it, though [21:46] note that it's not the latest one though [21:46] there are various ways to do it, but you probably want to let Unit193 do it :) [21:47] knome, not the latest one? what do you mean? [21:47] slickymaster, short answer: xml2po or po4a-translate then xsltproc [21:47] slickymaster, not all the translated strings are up-to-date [21:47] (yet) [21:47] slickymaster: That's built on a 00 07 */3 * * cronjob. [21:47] and it depends on LP running the automatic translation updates as well [21:48] knome, Unit193 Got it [21:49] knome, Unit193 well it's a pretty decent start [21:49] point for what I need any way [21:49] yep [21:49] Also, if that site is too slow, it's "mirrored" at http://vanir.unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/ [21:49] thank you both guys [21:49] Sure. [21:49] yep, no problem [21:50] Glad it's actually helpful. [21:50] hopefully we'll get something usable in the trusty images ASAP [21:50] Unit193, the response seems pretty decent, but it's good the know the mirror url [21:59] knome, Unit193, at a first glance, it's noticeable that there are still quite a few items untranslated [21:59] yep, that should be fixed soon enough [21:59] * Unit193 didn't do any, not his fault. ;P [21:59] Yeah, noticed. [22:00] * slickymaster is convinced that Unit193 is off the hook, but knome .... hmmm [22:01] heh [22:04] i suck so bad at technical writing in finnish :( [22:05] that's probably because you're more used to do it in english [22:10] definitely... [22:11] the ugly truth is that i read and write much more english than finnish [22:11] yeah, you right about that, it's not pretty [22:11] me neither. [22:11] (am pretty) [22:12] when one tends to use more often a foreign language then our native one [22:12] knome: I'm bad at it in English. :D [22:13] Unit193, hah. [22:13] I've seen your English, I don't want to see your Finnish. ;) [22:13] lol [22:13] lol [22:13] thanks... [22:14] seriously, i'm tapping in the finnish translation, and i'm struggling to find the word for "encourage"... [22:15] knome, as we're on the translations topics, do you mind a request? [22:15] i do mind; please tell me ;) [22:18] ali1234: sure it could install plugins via packagekit. actually we could use a real packagekit implementation for parole's gstreamer plugins (if you know packagekit or wanna get to know it ;)), currently we're using a gst-internal helper-script [22:18] knome, sorry, my kid call me [22:18] knome, what I was talking about relates to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu [22:19] ah, the slideshow translations [22:19] knome, do you think you can find the time to make it's translations available [22:20] i'll have to look at it [22:20] yes, I was thinking that it would be nice that Trusty, at least Xubuntu, will be shipped completely Portuguese compatible [22:21] at least in what I can manage to help on that goal [22:26] slickymaster, i think the package needs to be uploaded to trusty before you're able to translate that [22:29] knome, you're probably right. I was fiddling in LP and I noticed that the translation sharing configuration with Ubiquity Slideshow trunk series is still incomplete [22:29] knome, we'll wait [22:30] yep, i wouldn't be too worried about it until next year [22:30] we might want to even change the strings, so if you translated it now, some of the work might be in vain [22:31] knome, exactly and provided we can to do it before docs freeze, we'll be alright [22:32] definitely [22:32] no reason why we couldn't [22:32] yeap [22:43] ali1234: if you wanna pick up an existing project, this is most likely a good starting point: http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-profile-manager/ [23:11] knome: heyo! [23:14] hey bluesabre :) [23:15] whats up? [23:18] translating the docs! [23:18] 16% done [23:20] woot! [23:29] 18% done ;) [23:56] cy guys tomorrow