[00:01] <jamiet74> new to linux have 13.10 but need help
[00:05] <ochosi> jamiet74: hey, best to head over to the support channel (#xubuntu)
[00:14] <ochosi> ali1234: indeed! nice work
[00:16] <ochosi> so would you say it's merge-ready or are there any open issues atm?
[00:16] <ali1234> there are some issues still
[00:16] <ali1234> sometimes the scroll events fall through to applications (sometimes they don't)
[00:17] <ali1234> i'm not yet sure if that thing i think is a bug, is really a bug
[00:17] <ali1234> it's either something really clever i don't understand, or a really stupid bug
[00:18] <ali1234> the hardcoded framerate thing too
[00:19] <ochosi> but those things are in xfwm4 now anyways, no?
[00:19] <ochosi> (not the scroll issue)
[00:19] <ali1234> not exactly
[00:20] <ali1234> i mean i had to "fix" the "bug" to make this work, yeah?
[00:20] <ali1234> but if it's not a bug, then my fix is not a fix
[00:20] <ochosi> oh
[00:20] <ochosi> i see
[00:20] <ochosi> btw, how could i reproduce the scroll-problems?
[00:21] <ali1234> also, it could do with a config screen in "window manager tweaks" - no idea how to do that though
[00:21] <ali1234> scroll problems?
[00:21] <ochosi> "sometimes the scroll events fall through"
[00:21] <ali1234> oh, open say, gedit and then open a long source file, and then zoom in with the pointer over the source
[00:22] <ochosi> could that be a gtk3 thing?
[00:22] <ochosi> i don't see that behavior in mousepad (while i can reproduce it in gedit)
[00:22] <ali1234> could be, yeah
[00:23] <ali1234> i don't see it with pidgin, not sure what that uses
[00:23] <ochosi> i think gtk2, but i could be wrong
[00:23] <ali1234> nor xfce4-terminal
[00:23] <ochosi> (as i don't use pidgin)
[00:23] <ali1234> nor xterm... it needs fixing anyway though
[00:23] <ochosi> i also don't see it with skype
[00:24] <ali1234> firefox is okay too
[00:29] <ochosi> sounds like the list of problematic apps is shorter than the one where it works
[00:29] <ali1234> yeah. i haven't really tried to debug it yet
[00:35] <ochosi> ali1234: evince (gtk3) also has the scrolling issue
[07:14] <elfy> knome: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/23/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t18:27 - sudo -i was the end of that conversation @19:30
[07:14] <elfy> and it works fine here - gksudo is not installed by default anymore - so shouldn't be on the testcase
[09:14] <knome> elfy, sudo -i doesn't work for me.
[09:34] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:36] <slickymaster> elfy, ping
[09:40] <knome> morning slickymaster 
[09:42] <slickymaster> good morning knome
[09:56] <slickymaster> elfy, as soon as you can have a few minutes to spare, please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[10:18] <slickymaster> elfy: sorry, the correct link is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t22:29 not the previous one
[11:29] <ochosi> pleia2, knome: i finalized the wiki pages now for the 14.04 wallpapers submissions (added an example submission of mine), if you wanna review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Submissions
[11:30] <knome> ochosi, haha, look at it yourself!
[11:31] <ochosi> ?
[11:31] <knome> load the page in your browser
[11:32] <ochosi> ah nice
[11:32] <ochosi> that was really fast :)
[11:32] <ochosi> i'd suggest to crop the resolution though
[11:32] <knome> yeah, i catched the message
[11:32] <ochosi> it's just a few px
[11:32] <knome> well, it's bigger than we need, just proves it's big enough
[11:32] <knome> imo
[11:33] <ochosi> right, that's fine too
[11:33] <ochosi> ok, so i'll rewrite the email to reflect the changes on the guidelines and then send it to the MLs
[11:33] <knome> sounds good
[11:34] <ochosi> oh, btw, are you fine with ppl giving feedback on the -dev-ml?
[11:34] <ochosi> or would you prefer the users-ml
[11:34] <ochosi> "Specific comments and words of encouragement may be posted to the Xubuntu development mailing list."
[11:34] <knome> ummph
[11:34] <knome> i suppose, yeah
[11:34] <ochosi> we can also let things happen on the users-ml
[11:34] <ochosi> i don't mind
[11:35] <knome> well -devel is more appropriate
[11:35] <ochosi> it's just that i'm not subscribed atm :}
[11:35] <ochosi> ok good
[11:35] <knome> i do prefer -devel as well
[11:35] <knome> i'm only monitoring -users
[11:35] <knome> (mostly)
[11:35] <ochosi> fwiw, could you quickly link me to tomorrow's meeting's agenda?
[11:36] <ochosi> i have to add one update-item
[11:36] <ochosi> or wait i'll find it myself
[11:36] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[11:36] <knome> lazy boy
[11:37] <ochosi> hehe
[11:40] <knome>  STGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHH BBB<>>>zUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~5~~JH MNJUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBNXDN                                       IÖOUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0~~+11111111110+++++++++++++++++++-
[11:40] <knome> 4+
[11:40] <knome> ooops.
[11:40] <knome> guess what i'm doing
[11:42] <ochosi> trying to push someone's buttons?
[11:42] <knome> :P
[11:42] <knome> naw, cleaning my keyboard
[11:48] <davmor2> knome: random keygenerator
[11:48] <knome> very bad one at that if it was one
[11:48] <knome> :|
[11:53] <davmor2> knome: I meant you were create random noise for a key creation :)
[12:25] <slickymaster> brainwash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477
[13:03] <elfy> knome - you seriously can't get sudo -i to work in a terminal?
[13:04] <elfy> oh - mmm 
[13:04] <elfy> nvm 
[13:04] <elfy> I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway 
[13:05] <elfy> as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is
[13:05] <elfy> slickymaster: ^^
[13:06] <slickymaster> yeah I saw it, elfy 
[13:13] <slickymaster> elfy: you can get sudo -i to work in terminal, even though you will not be using a graphical sudo and therefore it shouldn't be advised. The problem I pointed is due to the fact that in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1585/results it will be required ti run sudo -i mousepad in aplication finder dialog box and it's that that doesn't works as it doesn't launch mousepad at all,
 I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway 
 as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is
[13:14] <elfy> then there is no issue :)
[13:15] <elfy> I just happened to write it while I was doing stuff and used that command - probably better to not have a root anything in a testcase
[13:16] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, I agree with you. The few tests that do require the use of administrative privileges are specific and mostly relate to server installs
[13:16]  * elfy is too old to try doing more than one thing at a time - should have left the bug till the weekend
[13:16] <elfy> anyway - only got 14 mins of lunch left - bbl
[13:17]  * slickymaster thinks that elfy isn't familiar with a portuguese saying that only old rags are old
[13:17] <elfy> lol
[13:17] <slickymaster> ;)
[13:48] <ochosi> brainwash: i implemented screen-blanking in the greeter on locking with light-locker, so the vt-flickering should be a bit less now
[14:59] <elfy> knome: I've pushed change to appfinder for approval, changed root thunar to non-root thunar
[16:34] <brainwash> ochosi: I'll test that
[16:35] <ochosi> good, lemme know how it goes
[16:35] <ochosi> i can tell you in advance that this is what's happening:
[16:35] <ochosi> screensaver-timeout -> screen-blank -> screen-off (dpms/vt-switching) -> screen-blank
[16:35] <ochosi> so there's some stuff going on with your display
[16:35] <ochosi> but it's between off and black
[16:37] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, but it will be still ugly on my test system due to the resolution change
[16:37] <ochosi> what resolution change?
[16:38] <ochosi> vbox?
[16:38] <brainwash> when switching vt
[16:38] <ochosi> yeah, but how would you even see that, the screen is blanked the whole time
[16:38] <ochosi> or are you using virtualbox or something like that?
[16:38] <brainwash> no
[16:39] <brainwash> but the proprietary AMD graphics driver
[16:39] <brainwash> so no kms
[16:40] <brainwash> so I'll test in like some minutes
[16:43] <brainwash> ochosi: and we need to fix the greeter to not paint the background specified in the config file if there is an accountsservice one available
[16:43] <brainwash> always forgetting about this
[16:43] <slickymaster> brainwash, just a FYI http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477
[16:44] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, so also no kms, still not sure what resolution issues you have
[16:45] <brainwash> slickymaster: great, but I still feel that we need to fix this
[16:46] <brainwash> ochosi: my virtual console does not support my native resolution (amd bios limitation)
[16:46] <slickymaster> brainwash: yes, you're right. But apparently the package does have a maintainer, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
[16:48] <brainwash> slickymaster: nice, so lets give him some time to read the report and comment on it :)
[16:50] <brainwash> ochosi: I recall that some indicators are visible, but don't show any menu when the screen is locked
[16:51] <brainwash> like the session selector
[16:51] <brainwash> no wait
[16:51] <ochosi> yeah
[16:51] <ochosi> that's supposed to be like that
[16:51] <brainwash> that wasn't the latest version of the greeter
[16:51] <ochosi> we're planning to hide them
[16:52] <ochosi> or make them look "insensitive"
[16:52] <ochosi> because you can't change your session or language as long as it's running
[16:53] <brainwash> right, got a bit confused, because a local installation of the greeter also ships with an "empty" copy of the greeter config file
[16:53] <brainwash> not using the xubuntu default one
[16:58] <brainwash> ochosi: yeah, the res change is the issue, makes the vt switch really ugly
[16:58] <brainwash> I'll test it on another machine then
[18:03] <ochosi> i'm sometimes wondering whether a little helper app to switch between a couple of predefined panel-layouts could be helpful for new users
[18:04] <knome> ochosi, ++ if it can also save panel layouts
[18:05] <ochosi> i was thinking it could offer stuff like "windows-like layout", gnome2-layout, etc
[18:05] <ochosi> only thing is only panel-internal plugins could be used
[18:05] <knome> ochosi, sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to save panel layouts, right?
[18:05] <ochosi> or it'd have to do more complex checks for what's installed
[18:05] <ochosi> yeah, they're just xml files
[18:05] <knome> yep
[18:06] <knome> bluesabre, lderan: ping
[18:06] <knome> ^ idea for you next little pet project
[18:06] <ochosi> it could basically be a script with a graphical frontend
[18:06] <knome> definitely
[18:06] <ochosi> a bit like gtk-theme-config
[18:06] <ochosi> small, yet useful
[18:06] <knome> yep
[18:06] <knome> exactly
[18:07] <knome> ultimately i think things like that is what xubuntu can really "bring to the table" when discussing if xubuntu is just ubuntu+xfce or a differing experience
[18:07] <ochosi> yeah
[18:08] <ochosi> bbl
[18:10] <slickymaster> knome: you were right, it's not possible to build the translated versions of xubuntu-docs
[18:13] <knome> slickymaster, well, it is *possible*...
[18:13] <knome> i just don't know how
[18:13] <slickymaster> knome: that meke two if us :)
[18:13] <slickymaster> make ^^
[18:13] <slickymaster> well have to go now. bbl
[18:35] <Unit193> knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/desktop-guide/ ?
[18:37] <ali1234> ochosi: couldn't it install the necessary plugins with packagekit?
[18:38] <ali1234> a bit like how gstreamer plugins get installed
[18:38] <Unit193> knome: pt and ru seem most complete.
[18:40] <ali1234> it would be good if it backed up the user's current config too
[18:46] <brainwash> mmh, predefined panel configurations aren't really that useful, but a tool to save and switch between custom ones might be helpful for the user
[18:47] <ali1234> no, predefined ones would be great
[18:47] <ali1234> the biggest problem of a customizable desktop is that 99% of all possible combinations are rubbish
[18:47] <ali1234> kind of like how nearly all random strings of letters are meaningless
[18:48] <ali1234> if it can install extra plugins with package kit that is even better
[18:49] <brainwash> sounds redundant to me, but I usually don't use any panels anyway :)
[18:50] <brainwash> however, I like the aspect of saving/restoring panel configurations
[18:50] <knome> Unit193, that. did you do that manually or with a Makefile?
[19:21] <Unit193> knome: Define "manually" ?  I didn't add it to the makefile because I'm better with bash. :P
[19:22] <knome> feel free to share your script
[19:22] <knome> i'm looking at stuff around that now
[19:23] <pleia2> knome: do we want to tweet/blog post wallpaper call?
[19:23] <pleia2> or keep it small this time around?
[19:23] <knome> dunno.
[19:23] <knome> you can decide :)
[19:24] <pleia2> decisions!
[19:24] <knome> talk with ochosi if you're unable to
[19:30] <Unit193> Hrm, I just deleted the po dir, I needed that and not sure how to get it back without a re-clone.  :P
[19:31] <ali1234> git checkout po
[19:32] <Unit193> bzr, and it didn't like that.
[19:33] <ali1234> i don't know how to do this with bzr
[19:33] <ali1234> usually i just go to #bzr and say "how do i do git checkout with bzr?"
[19:33] <ali1234> this really annoys them
[19:34] <Unit193> Hah, niice!
[20:10] <Unit193> knome: You be slacking for sure on the fi translation. ;)
[20:11] <Unit193> Some ENTs are invalid too.
[20:37] <Unit193> knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/ is a random mockup just so you can see all languages, but that'll get overwritten Sunday (script runs to bzr pull and re-up)
[20:49] <Unit193> http://paste.debian.net/65696/ for example.
[20:55] <knome> Unit193, hah.
[20:56] <Unit193> Updated my gen script so an automated run will include the translated links.
[20:56] <knome> yup
[20:56] <knome> wondering if there should be a somewhat different all-languages landing page
[20:57] <Unit193> 00 07 */3 * *   Oh, changed it from Sunday after all.
[20:57] <Unit193> But yes, guessing the pot file isn't correct?
[20:59]  * knome shrugs
[21:00] <knome> should look into it
[21:01] <knome> we also need to make the header title non-image
[21:01] <knome> but um
[21:01] <knome> what was your build script?
[21:01] <knome> Unit193, ^
[21:02] <Unit193> I edited scripts/translate.sh and ran a couple lines, now in my normal update script.  It works, but don't think it's proper.
[21:02] <knome> oki
[21:02] <knome> that script was quite messed up.
[21:02] <knome> not completely, but it wasn't perfect either
[21:03] <knome> we also should use some limit value
[21:03] <knome> eg. only show translations n% done
[21:03] <knome> for po4a-translate (another tool) the default was 80%.
[21:03] <knome> which sounds pretty accurate
[21:03] <knome> but i don't know how to calculate that percentage across all the files
[21:04] <knome> and re: the finnish translation, that was just a test to make sure the automatic translation updates were working :P
[21:04] <knome> but i suppose i could take a weekend and tap it in
[21:05] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/tjJPLkIztfnVRnPcW0de/ still isn't proper, but it's all I needed to change to get it working.
[21:05] <knome> mm,
[21:06] <Unit193> And of course the other half. :P
[21:06] <knome> bleh.
[21:06] <Unit193> '$doc' isn't used, but I left choose_language ${doc} ${lang}  rather than fixing for one example. :D
[21:06] <knome> did that create a lot of lang (eg. "pt") directories in the wrong place, like all parent directories it could write to?
[21:07] <Unit193> Hah, it tried to turn all files into dirs because of the cd .. thing. :D
[21:09] <knome> heh.
[21:10] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/0qyqEGXPKgc4UJ1BLXNS/ is the jist of it, but just the function, still have the rest of the script to fully generate, sed a line or two, and upload.
[21:11] <knome> what's $dir?
[21:12] <knome> i'm wondering what directory structure we want
[21:14] <Unit193> 1. Check the script.  2. Check the site.  3. for dir in `ls | grep -ve po -e Makefile -e libs -e C` == the language name.
[21:15] <knome> so if i got it right, includes are copied once per language?
[21:15] <Unit193> Yep, but could easily be fixed I just was trying to stay close to default.
[21:16] <knome> was thinking the same at this point as well.
[21:16] <knome> but we could move C to a subdirectory as well
[21:16] <knome> then simply have one includes-dir
[21:17] <knome> and it would be consistent regarding relative path for everything
[21:17] <Unit193> I have it in en_US.
[21:44] <knome> slickymaster, http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/
[21:45] <slickymaster> fabulous knome. Now it's much easier for me to proofread it
[21:46] <slickymaster> I would love to know how did he build it, though
[21:46] <knome> note that it's not the latest one though
[21:46] <knome> there are various ways to do it, but you probably want to let Unit193 do it :)
[21:47] <slickymaster> knome, not the latest one? what do you mean?
[21:47] <knome> slickymaster, short answer: xml2po or po4a-translate then xsltproc
[21:47] <knome> slickymaster, not all the translated strings are up-to-date
[21:47] <knome> (yet)
[21:47] <Unit193> slickymaster: That's built on a   00 07 */3 * *   cronjob.
[21:47] <knome> and it depends on LP running the automatic translation updates as well
[21:48] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193 Got it
[21:49] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193 well it's a pretty decent start 
[21:49] <slickymaster> point for what I need any way
[21:49] <knome> yep
[21:49] <Unit193> Also, if that site is too slow, it's "mirrored" at http://vanir.unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/
[21:49] <slickymaster> thank you both guys
[21:49] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:49] <knome> yep, no problem
[21:50] <Unit193> Glad it's actually helpful.
[21:50] <knome> hopefully we'll get something usable in the trusty images ASAP
[21:50] <slickymaster> Unit193, the response seems pretty decent, but it's good the know the mirror url
[21:59] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193, at a first glance, it's noticeable that there are still quite a few items untranslated
[21:59] <knome> yep, that should be fixed soon enough
[21:59]  * Unit193 didn't do any, not his fault. ;P
[21:59] <Unit193> Yeah, noticed.
[22:00]  * slickymaster is convinced that Unit193 is off the hook, but knome .... hmmm
[22:01] <knome> heh
[22:04] <knome> i suck so bad at technical writing in finnish :(
[22:05] <slickymaster> that's probably because you're more used to do it in english
[22:10] <knome> definitely...
[22:11] <knome> the ugly truth is that i read and write much more english than finnish
[22:11] <slickymaster> yeah, you right about that, it's not pretty
[22:11] <knome> me neither.
[22:11] <knome> (am pretty)
[22:12] <slickymaster> when one tends to use more often a foreign language then our native one
[22:12] <Unit193> knome: I'm bad at it in English. :D
[22:13] <knome> Unit193, hah.
[22:13] <Unit193> I've seen your English, I don't want to see your Finnish. ;)
[22:13] <knome> lol
[22:13] <slickymaster> lol
[22:13] <knome> thanks...
[22:14] <knome> seriously, i'm tapping in the finnish translation, and i'm struggling to find the word for "encourage"...
[22:15] <slickymaster> knome, as we're on the translations topics, do you mind a request?
[22:15] <knome> i do mind; please tell me ;)
[22:18] <ochosi> ali1234: sure it could install plugins via packagekit. actually we could use a real packagekit implementation for parole's gstreamer plugins (if you know packagekit or wanna get to know it ;)), currently we're using a gst-internal helper-script
[22:18] <slickymaster> knome, sorry, my kid call me
[22:18] <slickymaster> knome, what I was talking about relates to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[22:19] <knome> ah, the slideshow translations
[22:19] <slickymaster> knome, do you think you can find the time to make it's translations available
[22:20] <knome> i'll have to look at it
[22:20] <slickymaster> yes, I was thinking that it would be nice that Trusty, at least Xubuntu, will be shipped completely Portuguese compatible
[22:21] <slickymaster> at least in what I can manage to help on that goal
[22:26] <knome> slickymaster, i think the package needs to be uploaded to trusty before you're able to translate that
[22:29] <slickymaster> knome, you're probably right. I was fiddling in LP and I noticed that the translation sharing configuration with Ubiquity Slideshow trunk series is still incomplete
[22:29] <slickymaster> knome, we'll wait
[22:30] <knome> yep, i wouldn't be too worried about it until next year
[22:30] <knome> we might want to even change the strings, so if you translated it now, some of the work might be in vain
[22:31] <slickymaster> knome, exactly and provided we can to do it before docs freeze, we'll be alright
[22:32] <knome> definitely
[22:32] <knome> no reason why we couldn't
[22:32] <slickymaster> yeap
[22:43] <ochosi> ali1234: if you wanna pick up an existing project, this is most likely a good starting point: http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-profile-manager/
[23:11] <bluesabre> knome: heyo!
[23:14] <knome> hey bluesabre :)
[23:15] <bluesabre> whats up?
[23:18] <knome> translating the docs!
[23:18] <knome> 16% done
[23:20] <bluesabre> woot!
[23:29] <knome> 18% done ;)
[23:56] <slickymaster> cy guys tomorrow