[00:00] mamarley: but then if you use the "Report bug" button via an application it usually tells bugzilla the version number [00:00] same goes for DrKonqi [00:01] Another reason to see the version number: Maybe if the latest version isn't in the repository, I will go download a binary directly from the developer instead. [00:14] shadeslayer: Dropping the version column is like shooting oneself in the feet [00:15] Any important reasons why we DON'T want it? [00:54] oops, paste=past above [02:07] so 16:05 UTC is 11am in EST? [02:08] hey valorie [02:13] lordievader: hey [07:46] ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen) [08:48] ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen) [09:15] shadeslayer, ScottK, Riddell: if I sysadmin a system I want to know what is being updated and why etc. if I am a cautious user I'd want to know all the more [09:16] generally speaking removing features to not have to fix bugs is a gnome mantra btw :P [09:18] ALSO as I pointed out time again to me it is confusing that muon-updater is used in combination with discover... -updater was created with a very techy target audience in mind (i.e. IIRC it was built together with muon which really targets the rather advanced user), so to me it seems odd that a techy updater would be used with a very !techy installer given that latter could just as well handle updates [09:23] adding updates to discover would be the best thing to do [09:59] ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail) [10:32] Riddell: Hi, I will able to test it to day. [10:33] parad1se: great [10:43] Riddell: :) thumbs up [11:04] ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus and qdbusviewer crash with "No such file or directory" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail) [11:44] 'Morning all [11:47] hi BluesKaj [11:48] Hi soee [11:54] apachelogger: I think we need to make a "Commander Keen Linux" :D [11:57] jussi: I totally didn't get that :O [12:18] http://anonscm.debian.org/ is down? :( [12:19] btw i have tried archlinux with kde ... omg what a bip [12:20] bip [12:20] An acronym for benzoylmethylecgonine (cocaine) originated by private school kids in the Chelsea district of New York City in late 2009 [12:20] LOL [12:20] * Peace- wrong chat [12:20] No wonder they symlinked /usr/bin/python to python3 [12:21] Peace-: so what exactly does bip mean? :) [12:21] in this context [12:21] shit :D [12:21] aha [12:21] People keep raving about it in the office [12:21] I have yet to try it [12:22] shadeslayer: you have not an installer [12:22] everything from terminal [12:22] yep [12:22] before there was ncurses installer [12:22] now nothing [12:22] you need to use fdisk ect [12:22] basically you need to do everything locale ect etc [12:23] and for me there is nothing that adds to kubuntu [12:23] the only thing you could say it is better it's the installation process , i mean of the packages [12:24] that it's faster [12:24] for me kubuntu >> archlinux +kde [12:25] well faster is relative [12:26] their packagemanagement is much more 'simpler' which is why it's 'faster' [12:26] dpkg is so much more complex with it's various states and what not [12:26] when you do pacman -S vlc for example [12:26] I don't think pacman / yaourt / whatever has that [12:26] it's faster than sudo apt-get install vlc [12:26] but i mean i have an i7 .... [12:26] so :D [12:27] right, except that it's faster because it's just unpacking binaries onto disk :) [12:27] infact [12:27] doesn't do anything else afaik [12:27] that's what dpkg does [12:27] apachelogger: but then dpkg also does things like prerm, preinst , etc etc for each package no? [12:27] the only difference there is dpkg syncs each file [12:28] shadeslayer: there are none for pvlc [12:28] I see [12:28] ( also, he was talking about vlc ) [12:28] s/p/ [12:29] shadeslayer: arch's vlc actually does more than ours postinstall [12:29] regenerates the entire plugin cache [12:29] oh? [12:29] or so MS said [12:29] o_o [12:29] apt-get install vlc and pacman -S vlc are almost exclusively IO bound [12:31] if you do both on a barbones system with only kernel and udev and whatever rubbish the system may need to run the I'd believe that apt-get is slower because it has more sophisticated package relationsships to consider when resolving the dep tree [12:33] ^ still not much btw [12:34] only the rpm thing is noticble slower :P [12:34] although I hear that has changed as well [12:34] so everything is fast [12:34] any observation in different fastness is either perceptional or I/O [12:34] ^ disk and net I/O [12:35] though pacman does have the nice feature of parallel downloads [12:38] that only makes a difference if a server is slow :P [12:38] but what I just thought of, ubuntu uses a differen disk I/O scheduler [12:38] so that may make a difference on a HDD [12:38] on SSD it will definitely faster tho :P [12:40] Just about everything is faster with an SSD, besides Eclipse. Eclipse is a gigantic pig, as usual. [12:41] nah [12:42] I mean pacman on stock arch vs. dpgk on stock kubuntu, dpkg I/O will outschedule pacman [12:42] because our default scheduler supposedly works more to the advantage of SSD [12:55] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/11/14/barcelona-kde-frameworks-dragons-and-kde-allotment [12:56] wee [13:01] Mamarok: I'm not sure what you want with the link to g+ on kubuntu.org, it's just a link isn't it? [13:04] they ask us to confirm the website is ours, else the profile is not complete [13:05] Mamarok: who do? [13:05] where? [13:05] Mamarok: hmm I see [13:05] see my first mail [13:05] "By adding a short line of code to http://www.kubuntu.org/community, you can make your Google+ page eligible to show up on the right hand side of the Google search page for relevant queries" [13:06] Mamarok: do you want to do that or shall I? [13:07] I have no access to the website, that's why I sent the mail [13:08] update done [13:08] you can always ask for access to the website [13:09] oh well, I have enough on my plate right now, I might later [13:09] but thanks for teh poffer :) [13:09] the offer* [13:09] sorry, not my typing day :) [13:28] yofel: https://trello.com/c/u3O0f0tY [13:29] this is like too freaking fast -.- [13:29] and I have barely any time to do anything. [13:29] shadeslayer: where did you get with beta1? [13:33] i love apachelogger images [13:33] they are crazy , i like crazy people [13:35] yofel: too fast indeed, I shall schedule help for b3 [13:36] \o/ [13:38] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich [15:24] Good afternoon. [15:25] hi lordievader [15:26] Hey Riddell, how are you doing today? [15:28] feeling good thanks lordievader === greyback is now known as greyback|away [16:33] ughhh [16:34] ? [16:34] * ovidiu-florin thinks shadeslayer hit himself with a bug [16:34] no [16:34] I did not remove kde-workspace-dev from kdesc-dev-latest-trusty.txt [16:35] so now things are waiting on kde-workspace-dev >= 4.11.80 [16:35] boom [16:35] which will never happen [16:35] I just make a copy of the .txt and remove the packages that are already done and start again [16:36] yeah, I need to do a complete rebuild once I fix everything [16:36] * shadeslayer is tired of doing 4.12 alone [16:38] shadeslayer: package building? [16:38] yeah [16:38] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html [16:39] teach me how and I'll help [16:39] I've started reading on debian packaging [16:39] from the debian wiki [16:39] but that might take some time [16:39] Riddell: ^^ plz give him access to Ninjas [16:39] * Riddell looks [16:40] ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives [16:40] "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiub13) has been added as a member of this team." [16:40] lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think [16:41] ovidiu-florin: do you have a pbuilder setup? [16:41] hmm we need to update lintian on that server, too many "bad-distribution-in-changes-file trusty" [16:41] Riddell: I think that's the lintian from the build server [16:41] so lintian in trusty needs to be updated [16:43] * Riddell updates ./vendors/ubuntu/main/data/changes-file/known-dists [16:43] shadeslayer: oh yeah [16:43] shadeslayer: well it can be added as an ignore in kubuntu-automation [16:44] yep [16:49] did I miss something? [16:49] ovidiu-florin: not really [16:49] anyway [16:50] was anything said after Riddell looks? [16:50] ah [16:50] ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives [16:50] lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think [16:50] and you've been added to http://pad.lv/~kubuntu-ninjas [16:50] ovidiu-florin: which means you can open lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think [16:50] erm [16:51] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5222594/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [16:53] ovidiu-florin: ^^ can you open that link? [16:53] No Such Resource [16:53] ovidiu-florin: don't use Chrome :P [16:53] oh [16:53] why? [16:53] chrome is bugged [16:54] I use FF [16:54] ok [16:54] I see it now [16:54] what am I looking at? [16:54] actually launchpad is bugged [16:54] cool, see the end of the log where it says QJSON not found [16:54] btw [16:55] apachelogger: well, either way, one of those is bugged :D [16:55] IIRC rekonq also has problems [16:55] that being said only firefox works [16:55] and they only support firefox [16:55] ... [16:55] really? I thought it worked in rekonq, but *shrug* [16:55] ovidiu-florin: do you see that error? [16:55] hurray [16:56] 4.12.90 tagged and tar'd [16:56] and I'm not even done with 4.12.80 [16:57] Riddell has put on sleepy music and I'm sleepy now [16:58] shadeslayer: I see the error [16:59] what should I do about it? [16:59] ovidiu-florin: cool, so basically, kdepim has a new build-dep on libqjson-dev, do you have kubuntu-automation branched? [16:59] no. [16:59] plz branch kubuntu-autmation then [17:00] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation [17:00] 4.12 beta 2 tars now up! [17:00] yeah I know :( [17:00] I want to finish https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas first [17:00] I don't know what that is [17:00] :( [17:00] so that atleast with 4.12.90 no package is left behind [17:01] ovidiu-florin: it's a branch with our automation tools, just run bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation in a terminal [17:02] ok [17:02] I have to change location. I'll be back in a few minutes [17:02] sure === greyback|away is now known as greyback === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [17:38] shadeslayer: should I do this in a virtual machine? [17:39] nope [17:39] just need a pbuilder [17:39] ovidiu-florin: put http://paste.kde.org/p93dd9d8d in ~/.pbuilderrc [17:40] then do : bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/ .pbuilder-hooks [17:40] should I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto first? [17:40] then do : sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd [17:40] ovidiu-florin: yep, reading that gives you a good idea [17:40] ok [17:40] but that can be done later on as well :) [17:55] what does sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd do? [17:56] shadeslayer: ^ [17:56] it will create a chroot that is tar'd and saved for future use [17:56] so that you can use it to build packages [17:56] it mimics the build daemon on Launchpad [17:57] but locally, so you can test build packages before uploading [17:57] where locally will it store it? [18:02] shadeslayer: ^ [18:02] done [18:02] /var/cache/pbuilder/trusty-amd64 [18:02] erm [18:02] just /var/cache/pbuilder actually [18:03] yeah [18:03] I have some stuff in there [18:04] cool [18:04] now, kdepim has alot more problems [18:04] so lemme check for something simpler [18:04] ok [18:05] ovidiu-florin: okay so, open https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5215582/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.knavalbattle_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [18:05] you can see at the end it fails because it can't find a file to install [18:06] kbattleship [18:06] presumably because it's been renamed to knavalbattle instead of kbattleship [18:06] ( see preceeding lines, the ones starting with Installing: ) [18:06] ovidiu-florin: with me so far? [18:06] yes [18:07] cool, did you branch kubuntu-automation? [18:07] I ran the 2 commands you've sent me [18:07] but I'm not sure what the first one did [18:07] alright, plz cd into the kubuntu-automation dir [18:09] ok [18:09] there? now run this command : export PATH=$PWD:$PATH [18:10] we're adding the kubuntu-automation tools to our path so that we can use them without having to type ./whatever everytime :) [18:10] oh hmm, you probably also don't have kubuntu-dev-tools [18:10] I understood the PATH part [18:10] no I don't [18:11] bzr again? [18:11] bzr branch lp:kubuntu-dev-tools [18:11] then : cd kubuntu-dev-tools [18:11] then : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools [18:11] ping me once that's done ^^ [18:15] shadeslayer: done. will you still be able to teach in a couple of hours? I just got some guests that I have to attend to. [18:15] not really no [18:15] :( [18:15] I'm going to leave within the hour I think [18:15] ovidiu-florin: we can continue tomorrow :) [18:15] then, can you please levea me here some instructions to follow? [18:16] okay [18:16] and I'll catch up with some reading untill tomorrow [18:16] thanks [18:24] ovidiu-florin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417142/ [18:55] Riddell: My result with proposes repo and kde-runtime: http://pastebin.com/VrKw67Ns [18:55] proposed [18:55] parad1se_: would be nice to have it in english :) [18:55] I think you want sudo -E LANG=C or sth like that [18:56] then followed by the command [18:56] OK, wait I try to remove it and install again. ^^ [18:56] parad1se_: that's fine [18:57] parad1se_: this is testing the samba patch? [18:57] * shadeslayer would like to jump off a building after looking at kdepim [18:57] * jalcine coaxes shadeslayer to stay with a ton of cake [18:58] mmm cake [18:58] parad1se_: just comment you tested the packages from -proposed and they work on bug 1071453 [18:58] bug 1071453 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Precise) "Dolphin doesn't store samba share password" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 [19:00] shadeslayer: what's daunting about it, though? [19:00] * jalcine looks for an opporunity to assist. [19:00] jalcine: too many new files, too many things broken in 4.12.80 [19:00] my head hurts [19:01] jalcine: ooh want to help out packaging? [19:01] ^^ [19:01] Riddell: sure [19:01] jalcine: know anything about it or starting from scratch? [19:02] I've made a few packages by hand. [19:02] Bit more of a dh_make-r kind of guy. [19:02] so intermediacy. [19:02] that's the best way to do new packages [19:03] but here shadeslayer is talking about updating for a new version [19:04] updating a package would partially deal with an iterative patch, no? [19:04] the only package I've ever done that for was libxcb so I could get sddm building on Ubuntu [19:05] * jalcine looks for link [19:05] jalcine: want me to take you thought a simple one? [19:05] jalcine: want me to take you through a simple one? [19:05] sure [19:05] Riddell: Now I got it: http://pastebin.com/cnf29Jzs :) [19:05] jalcine: here's our status page http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html [19:06] parad1se_: ah but do they run successfully? [19:06] jalcine: konsole looks like an easy one [19:06] Riddell: OK. [19:07] Riddell: without kde-runtime-dbg, yes, works fine. [19:07] parad1se_: great, please say so on the bug [19:08] parad1se_: ok. [19:08] Riddell: ok [19:08] Riddell: so I'm pulling sources from git or repackaging (apt-get source)? [19:09] jalcine: bzr and repackaging :) [19:09] alrighty [19:09] jalcine: I just /msged you the sources.list line [19:09] you can add just the deb-src one for now, it's not yet ready to install I guess [19:09] then apt-get source konsole so you'll get the 4.11.80 package [19:11] sweet, I'm on it [19:13] jalcine: do you see what needs done? [19:14] still pulling sources now but just ensuring that the deb package builds with the new sources [19:14] it might well need kdelibs from ninjas to build [19:17] hm, so I'd have to wait for kdelibs to build [19:17] looks like from the status page it just started [19:17] jalcine: there will already be packages [19:17] jalcine: but also you don't need to compile konsole locally, you can just fix the packaging and upload to kubuntu-ninjas PPA [19:17] ah, yeah, just saw it, spoke too soon haha [19:18] alrighty [19:20] right, so I'm glancing at the packaging; is it the versioning that's off and I would have to fix? or I'm missing it? [19:21] jalcine: look in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html [19:21] the changelog goes from 11.2 to 11.80 [19:21] jalcine: that's fine, 4.11.80 is the beta of 4.12 [19:21] that's the versioning used by upstreanm [19:21] jalcine: on the build status page look at konsole, it's red! [19:21] ahhh for i386 [19:21] click show/hide and it'll show you why [19:22] gotcha [19:22] jalcine: a missing file! [19:22] Gotcha; updated 'konsole.install' [19:23] jalcine: lovely, add a changelog entry if you want to claim the glory and send me the new source package [19:23] on it [19:24] dch -i would be the safest way [19:24] no -i [19:25] right leave out the -i as it already has an entry for this version number [19:25] the new version is already there, just run 'dch' to edit the UNRELEASED entry [19:25] or you know [19:25] dch --release [19:25] :) [19:25] alrighty [19:25] and then edit to your hearts content [19:25] doesn't -r set the release name? [19:26] I thought it was -d or sth [19:26] no, -d is fromdirname [19:26] -D [19:27] load average: 17,49, 14,17, 9,67 [19:27] wheee [19:27] dch got confusing with the new behaviour. Though it's really nice with bzr/git [19:28] dunno, I always used dch --release and -D [19:28] like for the last year [19:29] I always use debcommit -R -r [19:29] because I'm cool ya know [19:29] kubotu: order beer [19:29] * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer. [19:29] yay [19:29] virtual beer [19:29] parad1se_: how's it going? [19:29] heh :) [19:29] kubotu: order tea [19:29] * kubotu gives yofel a nice hot cup of tea. [19:29] mmmmh :) [19:29] gross [19:30] kubotu: order Cacaolat [19:30] * kubotu slides cacaolat down the bar to shadeslayer [19:31] I used dch --release [19:31] Riddell: how should I send it to you? [19:31] via IRC? lol [19:31] * jalcine notes he didn't sign because pinentry-kwallet is a bit buggy [19:32] jalcine: you don't need to sign [19:32] cool [19:32] jalcine: put on a web server somewhere? [19:32] alrighty [19:34] sometimes internet research can take night forever [19:34] yofel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmM4whoTbGc best ontopic reference material I found [19:36] lol [19:42] jalcine: how are you getting on? [19:45] Riddell: was going to set up an FTP server to serve files but blergh [19:45] python -m SimpleHTTPServer is your friend [19:46] \o/ [19:46] jalcine: dropbox or google drive are more fashionable these days :) [19:46] you could also e-mail them [19:46] or put on a bug report [19:46] or push to bzr [19:48] http://jackyalcine.com:8000/ [19:50] jalcine: no .orig ? [19:51] should be there now [19:51] I did a konsole_4.11.80-0ubuntu1.* scp [19:53] jalcine: groovy uploading [19:53] jalcine: are you set up to commit to bzr on launchpad? [19:53] yu [19:53] jalcine: handy command : dcmd cp foo.changes [19:53] *yup [19:54] * Riddell coughs as he uploads it to ubuntu by mistake [19:54] noooo :D [19:54] I wonder how that'll play with the scripts [19:55] I also think I have some differing changelogs between bzr and the ninjas ppa [19:56] jalcine: I added you to ~kubuntu-packagers, please add your change to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole [19:56] yofel: does the script only bump versions for Build-Deps? [19:56] no [19:56] or does it bump versions on Depends as well [19:56] okay that's a screwy situation then ... lets see what happens [19:56] it does a simple regex replace - I would appreciate something more intelligent ;P [19:57] why? [19:57] :) [19:57] Riddell: bzr push [19:57] ? [19:57] just dblchecking [19:57] yofel: because I uploaded without taking out kde-workspace from the -dev.txt file [19:57] kdeartwork i386 logfile Dependency wait: kde-workspace-dev >= 4:4.11.80 libkexiv2-dev >= 4:4.11.80 [19:57] causing things like ^ [19:57] jalcine: yes assuming you did bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole and have done a commit [19:57] so? [19:57] cool [19:57]