[00:00] <shadeslayer> mamarley: but then if you use the "Report bug" button via an application it usually tells bugzilla the version number
[00:00] <shadeslayer> same goes for DrKonqi
[00:01] <mamarley> Another reason to see the version number: Maybe if the latest version isn't in the repository, I will go download a binary directly from the developer instead.
[00:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Dropping the version column is like shooting oneself in the feet
[00:15] <Quintasan> Any important reasons why we DON'T want it?
[00:54] <valorie> oops, paste=past above
[02:07] <ahoneybun> so 16:05 UTC is 11am in EST?
[02:08] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[02:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[07:46] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[08:48] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[09:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, ScottK, Riddell: if I sysadmin a system I want to know what is being updated and why etc. if I am a cautious user I'd want to know all the more
[09:16] <apachelogger> generally speaking removing features to not have to fix bugs is a gnome mantra btw :P
[09:18] <apachelogger> ALSO as I pointed out time again to me it is confusing that muon-updater is used in combination with discover... -updater was created with a very techy target audience in mind (i.e. IIRC it was built together with muon which really targets the rather advanced user), so to me it seems odd that a techy updater would be used with a very !techy installer given that latter could just as well handle updates
[09:23] <Riddell> adding updates to discover would be the best thing to do
[09:59] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail)
[10:32] <parad1se> Riddell: Hi, I will able to test it to day.
[10:33] <Riddell> parad1se: great
[10:43] <parad1se> Riddell: :) thumbs up
[11:04] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1251178] qdbus and qdbusviewer crash with "No such file or directory" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251178 (by Mechanical snail)
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:47] <soee> hi BluesKaj 
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[11:54] <jussi> apachelogger: I think we need to make a "Commander Keen Linux" :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> jussi: I totally didn't get that :O
[12:18] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/ is down? :(
[12:19] <Peace-> btw i have tried archlinux with kde ... omg what a  bip
[12:20] <shadeslayer> bip
[12:20] <shadeslayer> An acronym for benzoylmethylecgonine (cocaine) originated by private school kids in the Chelsea district of New York City in late 2009
[12:20] <Peace-> LOL
[12:20]  * Peace- wrong chat
[12:20] <shadeslayer> No wonder they symlinked /usr/bin/python to python3
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Peace-: so what exactly does bip mean? :)
[12:21] <shadeslayer> in this context
[12:21] <Peace-> shit :D
[12:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[12:21] <shadeslayer> People keep raving about it in the office
[12:21] <shadeslayer> I have yet to try it
[12:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer: you have not an installer
[12:22] <Peace-> everything from terminal 
[12:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:22] <Peace-> before there was ncurses installer
[12:22] <Peace-> now nothing 
[12:22] <Peace-> you need to use fdisk ect 
[12:22] <Peace-> basically you need to do everything locale ect etc 
[12:23] <Peace-> and for me there is nothing that adds to kubuntu 
[12:23] <Peace-> the only thing you could say it is better it's the installation process , i mean of the packages
[12:24] <Peace-> that it's faster
[12:24] <Peace-> for me kubuntu >> archlinux +kde
[12:25] <shadeslayer> well faster is relative
[12:26] <shadeslayer> their packagemanagement is much more 'simpler' which is why it's 'faster'
[12:26] <shadeslayer> dpkg is so much more complex with it's various states and what not
[12:26] <Peace-> when you do pacman -S vlc for example 
[12:26] <shadeslayer> I don't think pacman / yaourt / whatever has that
[12:26] <Peace-> it's faster than sudo apt-get install vlc 
[12:26] <Peace-> but i mean i have an i7 ....
[12:26] <Peace-> so :D
[12:27] <shadeslayer> right, except that it's faster because it's just unpacking binaries onto disk :)
[12:27] <Peace-> infact
[12:27] <shadeslayer> doesn't do anything else afaik
[12:27] <apachelogger> that's what dpkg does
[12:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then dpkg also does things like prerm, preinst , etc etc for each package no?
[12:27] <apachelogger> the only difference there is dpkg syncs each file
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there are none for pvlc
[12:28] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:28] <shadeslayer> ( also, he was talking about vlc )
[12:28] <apachelogger> s/p/
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: arch's vlc actually does more than ours postinstall
[12:29] <apachelogger> regenerates the entire plugin cache
[12:29] <shadeslayer> oh?
[12:29] <apachelogger> or so MS said
[12:29] <shadeslayer> o_o
[12:29] <apachelogger> apt-get install vlc and pacman -S vlc are almost exclusively IO bound
[12:31] <apachelogger> if you do both on a barbones system with only kernel and udev and whatever rubbish the system may need to run the I'd believe that apt-get is slower because it has more sophisticated package relationsships to consider when resolving the dep tree
[12:33] <apachelogger> ^ still not much btw
[12:34] <apachelogger> only the rpm thing is noticble slower :P
[12:34] <apachelogger> although I hear that has changed as well
[12:34] <apachelogger> so everything is fast
[12:34] <apachelogger> any observation in different fastness is either perceptional or I/O
[12:34] <apachelogger> ^ disk and net I/O
[12:35] <shadeslayer> though pacman does have the nice feature of parallel downloads
[12:38] <apachelogger> that only makes a difference if a server is slow :P
[12:38] <apachelogger> but what I just thought of, ubuntu uses a differen disk I/O scheduler
[12:38] <apachelogger> so that may make a difference on a HDD
[12:38] <apachelogger> on SSD it will definitely faster tho :P
[12:40] <mamarley> Just about everything is faster with an SSD, besides Eclipse.  Eclipse is a gigantic pig, as usual.
[12:41] <apachelogger> nah
[12:42] <apachelogger> I mean pacman on stock arch vs. dpgk on stock kubuntu, dpkg I/O will outschedule pacman
[12:42] <apachelogger> because our default scheduler supposedly works more to the advantage of SSD
[12:55]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/11/14/barcelona-kde-frameworks-dragons-and-kde-allotment
[12:56] <apachelogger> wee
[13:01] <Riddell> Mamarok: I'm not sure what you want with the link to g+ on kubuntu.org, it's just a link isn't it?
[13:04] <Mamarok> they ask us to confirm the website is ours, else the profile is not complete
[13:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: who do?
[13:05] <Riddell> where?
[13:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm I see
[13:05] <Mamarok> see my first mail
[13:05] <Riddell> "By adding a short line of code to http://www.kubuntu.org/community, you can make your Google+ page eligible to show up on the right hand side of the Google search page for relevant queries"
[13:06] <Riddell> Mamarok: do you want to do that or shall I?
[13:07] <Mamarok> I have no access to the website, that's why I sent the mail
[13:08] <Riddell> update done
[13:08] <Riddell> you can always ask for access to the website
[13:09] <Mamarok> oh well, I have enough on my plate right now, I might later
[13:09] <Mamarok> but thanks for teh poffer :)
[13:09] <Mamarok> the offer*
[13:09] <Mamarok> sorry, not my typing day :)
[13:28] <apachelogger> yofel: https://trello.com/c/u3O0f0tY
[13:29] <yofel> this is like too freaking fast -.-
[13:29] <yofel> and I have barely any time to do anything.
[13:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: where did you get with beta1?
[13:33] <Peace-> i love apachelogger images 
[13:33] <Peace-> they are crazy , i like crazy people
[13:35] <apachelogger> yofel: too fast indeed, I shall schedule help for b3
[13:36] <yofel> \o/
[13:38] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:25] <Riddell> hi lordievader 
[15:26] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing today?
[15:28] <Riddell> feeling good thanks lordievader 
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ughhh
[16:34] <Riddell> ?
[16:34]  * ovidiu-florin thinks shadeslayer hit himself with a bug
[16:34] <shadeslayer> no
[16:34] <shadeslayer> I did not remove kde-workspace-dev from kdesc-dev-latest-trusty.txt
[16:35] <shadeslayer> so now things are waiting on kde-workspace-dev >= 4.11.80
[16:35] <Riddell> boom
[16:35] <shadeslayer> which will never happen
[16:35] <Riddell> I just make a copy of the .txt and remove the packages that are already done and start again
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yeah, I need to do a complete rebuild once I fix everything
[16:36]  * shadeslayer is tired of doing 4.12 alone
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: package building?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:38] <shadeslayer> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> teach me how and I'll help
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> I've started reading on debian packaging
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> from the debian wiki
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> but that might take some time
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ plz give him access to Ninjas
[16:39]  * Riddell looks
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives
[16:40] <Riddell> "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiub13) has been added as a member of this team."
[16:40] <shadeslayer> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: do you have a pbuilder setup?
[16:41] <Riddell> hmm we need to update lintian on that server, too many "bad-distribution-in-changes-file trusty"
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think that's the lintian from the build server
[16:41] <shadeslayer> so lintian in trusty needs to be updated
[16:43]  * Riddell updates ./vendors/ubuntu/main/data/changes-file/known-dists
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh yeah
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well it can be added as an ignore in kubuntu-automation
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> did I miss something?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: not really
[16:49] <shadeslayer> anyway
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> was anything said after Riddell looks?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ah
 ovidiu-florin: plz branch kubuntu-autmation from wherever it lives
 lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:50] <shadeslayer> and you've been added to http://pad.lv/~kubuntu-ninjas
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: which means you can open <shadeslayer> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation I think
[16:50] <shadeslayer> erm
[16:51] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5222594/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: ^^ can you open that link?
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> No Such Resource
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: don't use Chrome :P
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> chrome is bugged
[16:54] <shadeslayer> I use FF
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> I see it now
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> what am I looking at?
[16:54] <apachelogger> actually launchpad is bugged
[16:54] <shadeslayer> cool, see the end of the log where it says QJSON not found
[16:54] <apachelogger> btw
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, either way, one of those is bugged :D
[16:55] <apachelogger> IIRC rekonq also has problems
[16:55] <apachelogger> that being said only firefox works
[16:55] <apachelogger> and they only support firefox
[16:55] <apachelogger> ...
[16:55] <shadeslayer> really? I thought it worked in rekonq, but *shrug*
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: do you see that error?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hurray
[16:56] <shadeslayer> 4.12.90 tagged and tar'd
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and I'm not even done with 4.12.80
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell has put on sleepy music and I'm sleepy now
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: I see the error
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> what should I do about it?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: cool, so basically, kdepim has a new build-dep on libqjson-dev, do you have kubuntu-automation branched?
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> no.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> plz branch kubuntu-autmation then
[17:00] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[17:00] <Riddell> 4.12 beta 2 tars now up!
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yeah I know :(
[17:00] <shadeslayer> I want to finish https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas first
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what that is
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[17:00] <shadeslayer> so that atleast with 4.12.90 no package is left behind
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: it's a branch with our automation tools, just run bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation in  a terminal
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:02] <ovidiu-florin> I have to change location. I'll be back in a few minutes
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: should I do this in a virtual machine?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:39] <shadeslayer> just need a pbuilder
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: put http://paste.kde.org/p93dd9d8d in ~/.pbuilderrc
[17:40] <shadeslayer> then do : bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/ .pbuilder-hooks
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> should I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto first?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> then do : sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yep, reading that gives you a good idea
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:40] <shadeslayer> but that can be done later on as well :)
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> what does sudo -E DIST=trusty pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd do?
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:56] <shadeslayer> it will create a chroot that is tar'd and saved for future use
[17:56] <shadeslayer> so that you can use it to build packages
[17:56] <shadeslayer> it mimics the build daemon on Launchpad
[17:57] <shadeslayer> but locally, so you can test build packages before uploading
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> where locally will it store it?
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> done
[18:02] <shadeslayer> /var/cache/pbuilder/trusty-amd64
[18:02] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:02] <shadeslayer> just /var/cache/pbuilder actually
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> I have some stuff in there
[18:04] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:04] <shadeslayer> now, kdepim has alot more problems
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so lemme check for something simpler
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: okay so, open https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5215582/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.knavalbattle_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1%7Eubuntu14.04%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:05] <shadeslayer> you can see at the end it fails because it can't find a file to install
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> kbattleship
[18:06] <shadeslayer> presumably because it's been renamed to knavalbattle instead of kbattleship
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ( see preceeding lines, the ones starting with Installing: )
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: with me so far?
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:07] <shadeslayer> cool, did you branch kubuntu-automation?
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> I ran the 2 commands you've sent me
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm not sure what the first one did
[18:07] <shadeslayer> alright, plz cd into the kubuntu-automation dir
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[18:09] <shadeslayer> there? now run this command : export PATH=$PWD:$PATH 
[18:10] <shadeslayer> we're adding the kubuntu-automation tools to our path so that we can use them without having to type ./whatever everytime :)
[18:10] <shadeslayer> oh hmm, you probably also don't have kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> I understood the PATH part
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> no I don't
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> bzr again?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> then : cd kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> then : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ping me once that's done ^^
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: done. will you still be able to teach in a couple of hours? I just got some guests that I have to attend to.
[18:15] <shadeslayer> not really no
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I'm going to leave within the hour I think
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: we can continue tomorrow :)
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> then, can you please levea me here some instructions to follow?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> and I'll catch up with some reading untill tomorrow
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417142/
[18:55] <parad1se_> Riddell: My result with proposes repo and kde-runtime: http://pastebin.com/VrKw67Ns
[18:55] <parad1se_> proposed
[18:55] <shadeslayer> parad1se_: would be nice to have it in english :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> I think you want sudo -E LANG=C or sth like that
[18:56] <shadeslayer> then followed by the command
[18:56] <parad1se_> OK, wait I try to remove it and install again. ^^
[18:56] <Riddell> parad1se_: that's fine
[18:57] <Riddell> parad1se_: this is testing the samba patch?
[18:57]  * shadeslayer would like to jump off a building after looking at kdepim
[18:57]  * jalcine coaxes shadeslayer to stay with a ton of cake
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mmm cake
[18:58] <Riddell> parad1se_: just comment you tested the packages from -proposed and they work on bug 1071453
[19:00] <jalcine> shadeslayer: what's daunting about it, though?
[19:00]  * jalcine looks for an opporunity to assist.
[19:00] <shadeslayer> jalcine: too many new files, too many things broken in 4.12.80
[19:00] <shadeslayer> my head hurts
[19:01] <Riddell> jalcine: ooh want to help out packaging?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:01] <jalcine> Riddell: sure
[19:01] <Riddell> jalcine: know anything about it or starting from scratch?
[19:02] <jalcine> I've made a few packages by hand.
[19:02] <jalcine> Bit more of a dh_make-r kind of guy.
[19:02] <jalcine> so intermediacy.
[19:02] <Riddell> that's the best way to do new packages
[19:03] <Riddell> but here shadeslayer is talking about updating for a new version
[19:04] <jalcine> updating a package would partially deal with an iterative patch, no?
[19:04] <jalcine> the only package I've ever done that for was libxcb so I could get sddm building on Ubuntu
[19:05]  * jalcine looks for link
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: want me to take you thought a simple one?
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: want me to take you through a simple one?
[19:05] <jalcine> sure
[19:05] <parad1se_> Riddell: Now I got it: http://pastebin.com/cnf29Jzs :)
[19:05] <Riddell> jalcine: here's our status page http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[19:06] <Riddell> parad1se_: ah but do they run successfully?
[19:06] <Riddell> jalcine: konsole looks like an easy one
[19:06] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK.
[19:07] <parad1se_> Riddell: without kde-runtime-dbg, yes, works fine.
[19:07] <Riddell> parad1se_: great, please say so on the bug
[19:08] <parad1se_> parad1se_: ok.
[19:08] <parad1se_> Riddell: ok
[19:08] <jalcine> Riddell: so I'm pulling sources from git or repackaging (apt-get source)?
[19:09] <Riddell> jalcine: bzr and repackaging :)
[19:09] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:09] <Riddell> jalcine: I just /msged you the sources.list line
[19:09] <Riddell> you can add just the deb-src one for now, it's not yet ready to install I guess
[19:09] <Riddell> then apt-get source konsole so you'll get the 4.11.80 package
[19:11] <jalcine> sweet, I'm on it
[19:13] <Riddell> jalcine: do you see what needs done?
[19:14] <jalcine> still pulling sources now but just ensuring that the deb package builds with the new sources
[19:14] <Riddell> it might well need kdelibs from ninjas to build
[19:17] <jalcine> hm, so I'd have to wait for kdelibs to build
[19:17] <jalcine> looks like from the status page it just started
[19:17] <Riddell> jalcine: there will already be packages
[19:17] <Riddell> jalcine: but also you don't need to compile konsole locally, you can just fix the packaging and upload to kubuntu-ninjas PPA
[19:17] <jalcine> ah, yeah, just saw it, spoke too soon haha
[19:18] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:20] <jalcine> right, so I'm glancing at the packaging; is it the versioning that's off and I would have to fix? or I'm missing it?
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: look in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[19:21] <jalcine> the changelog goes from 11.2 to 11.80
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: that's fine, 4.11.80 is the beta of 4.12
[19:21] <Riddell> that's the versioning used by upstreanm
[19:21] <Riddell> jalcine: on the build status page look at konsole, it's red!
[19:21] <jalcine> ahhh for i386
[19:21] <Riddell> click show/hide and it'll show you why
[19:22] <jalcine> gotcha
[19:22] <Riddell> jalcine: a missing file!
[19:22] <jalcine> Gotcha; updated 'konsole.install'
[19:23] <Riddell> jalcine: lovely, add a changelog entry if you want to claim the glory and send me the new source package
[19:23] <jalcine> on it
[19:24] <jalcine> dch -i would be the safest way
[19:24] <yofel> no -i
[19:25] <Riddell> right leave out the -i as it already has an entry for this version number
[19:25] <yofel> the new version is already there, just run 'dch' to edit the UNRELEASED entry
[19:25] <shadeslayer> or you know
[19:25] <shadeslayer> dch --release
[19:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:25] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:25] <shadeslayer> and then edit to your hearts content
[19:25] <yofel> doesn't -r set the release name?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> I thought it was -d or sth
[19:26] <shadeslayer> no, -d is fromdirname
[19:26] <shadeslayer> -D
[19:27] <shadeslayer> load average: 17,49, 14,17, 9,67
[19:27] <shadeslayer> wheee
[19:27] <yofel> dch got confusing with the new behaviour. Though it's really nice with bzr/git
[19:28] <shadeslayer> dunno, I always used dch --release and -D
[19:28] <shadeslayer> like for the last year
[19:29] <apachelogger> I always use debcommit -R -r
[19:29] <apachelogger> because I'm cool ya know
[19:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[19:29]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:29] <apachelogger> yay
[19:29] <shadeslayer> virtual beer
[19:29] <Riddell> parad1se_: how's it going?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[19:29] <yofel> kubotu: order tea
[19:29]  * kubotu gives yofel a nice hot cup of tea.
[19:29] <yofel> mmmmh :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> gross
[19:30] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order Cacaolat
[19:30]  * kubotu slides cacaolat down the bar to shadeslayer
[19:31] <jalcine> I used dch --release
[19:31] <jalcine> Riddell: how should I send it to you?
[19:31] <jalcine> via IRC? lol
[19:31]  * jalcine notes he didn't sign because pinentry-kwallet is a bit buggy
[19:32] <Riddell> jalcine: you don't need to sign
[19:32] <jalcine> cool
[19:32] <Riddell> jalcine: put on a web server somewhere?
[19:32] <jalcine> alrighty
[19:34] <apachelogger> sometimes internet research can take night forever
[19:34] <apachelogger> yofel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmM4whoTbGc best ontopic reference material I found
[19:36] <yofel> lol
[19:42] <Riddell> jalcine: how are you getting on?
[19:45] <jalcine> Riddell: was going to set up an FTP server to serve files but blergh
[19:45] <shadeslayer> python -m SimpleHTTPServer is your friend
[19:46] <jalcine> \o/
[19:46] <Riddell> jalcine: dropbox or google drive are more fashionable these days :)
[19:46] <Riddell> you could also e-mail them
[19:46] <Riddell> or put on a bug report
[19:46] <shadeslayer> or push to bzr
[19:48] <jalcine> http://jackyalcine.com:8000/
[19:50] <Riddell> jalcine: no .orig ?
[19:51] <jalcine> should be there now
[19:51] <jalcine> I did a konsole_4.11.80-0ubuntu1.* scp
[19:53] <Riddell> jalcine: groovy uploading
[19:53] <Riddell> jalcine: are you set up to commit to bzr on launchpad?
[19:53] <jalcine> yu
[19:53] <shadeslayer> jalcine: handy command : dcmd cp foo.changes
[19:53] <jalcine> *yup
[19:54]  * Riddell coughs as he uploads it to ubuntu by mistake
[19:54] <shadeslayer> noooo :D
[19:54] <shadeslayer> I wonder how that'll play with the scripts
[19:55] <shadeslayer> I also think I have some differing changelogs between bzr and the ninjas ppa
[19:56] <Riddell> jalcine: I added you to ~kubuntu-packagers, please add your change to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: does the script only bump versions for Build-Deps?
[19:56] <yofel> no
[19:56] <shadeslayer> or does it bump versions on Depends as well
[19:56] <shadeslayer> okay that's a screwy situation then ... lets see what happens
[19:56] <yofel> it does a simple regex replace - I would appreciate something more intelligent ;P
[19:57] <yofel> why?
[19:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:57] <jalcine> Riddell: bzr push
[19:57] <jalcine> ?
[19:57] <jalcine> just dblchecking
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: because I uploaded without taking out kde-workspace from the -dev.txt file
[19:57] <shadeslayer> kdeartwork	i386 	logfile 	Dependency wait: kde-workspace-dev >= 4:4.11.80 libkexiv2-dev >= 4:4.11.80 
[19:57] <shadeslayer> causing things like ^
[19:57] <Riddell> jalcine: yes assuming you did bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole and have done a commit
[19:57] <yofel> so?
[19:57] <jalcine> cool
[19:57] <yofel> aaaaah
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: and I was wondering if a package has a Depends on kde-runtime
[19:58] <shadeslayer> what happens in that case
[19:58] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:58] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace I mean
[19:58] <shadeslayer> does it get bumped to 4.11.80 as well? because we won't have a 4.12 kde-workspace
[19:58] <snele> guys since latest plasma-nm updates I get non-plasma notification on startup http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2k/5k/46Oqz1Gj/snapshot6.png
[19:58] <snele> is it a known bug?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> not really, trusty seems to be working
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news from Nim?
[19:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope but probably about time to go and see what's cooking
[19:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how ready are you to go?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ready for the last 15 mins :)
[20:00] <shadeslayer> stomach is rumbling :D
[20:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: according to rdepends, only kde-sc-dev-latest depends on it, that might need hardcoding 4.11 instead of the current subst
[20:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok get these catalunians together and we'll go
[20:00] <yofel> s/depends/breaks/
[20:00] <kubotu> yofel meant: "shadeslayer: according to rbreaks, only kde-sc-dev-latest depends on it, that might need hardcoding 4.11 instead of the current subst"
[20:00] <yofel> -.-
[20:01] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> \o/
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Marble done
[20:02] <shadeslayer> as soon as "We are the Champions" starts playing
[20:03] <Riddell> jalcine: I'm off for food, if you get stuck you can try asking yofel or others, lots more packages to fix now you know how :)
[20:03] <jalcine> I'm about to run for the same in 10
[20:03] <jalcine> but thanks and I'm here for it
[20:03] <Riddell> jalcine: you're welcome back here any time
[20:17] <parad1se_> Riddell: Everything is fine. Iam celebrating the use of samba entry and remember function in dolphin :) Just clicking arround ^^ xD How are you? Results are posted in Bug #1071453.
[20:26] <jalcine> how long does it take for the status page to update?
[20:27] <yofel> it fetches data from launchpad ever 5min. It only shows data for published packages though so new uploads are shown with a delay
[20:55] <soee> 4.11.80 is beta1 ? 
[20:55] <soee> or beta2 ?
[20:58] <yofel> soee: ^
[20:58] <yofel> meh, 1
[21:00] <soee> yofel, so why not WIP on beta2 already ? :)
[21:00] <yofel> soee: because something will probably be messed up then. Better to first finish beta1 and have (probably) less work for beta2
[21:00] <soee> ah ok, thank you for info
[21:23] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: are you still here?
[21:29] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please clarifi something to me about kubuntu-dev-tools?
[21:30] <ovidiu-florin> what's the difference between the version installed with apt and the version from lp:kubuntu-dev-tools ?
[21:52] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: if you got the apt version from ppa:bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools, none. Otherwise lp:kubuntu-dev-tools is the development bzr branch
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I didn't use any special ppa
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> just the default repo
[21:53] <yofel> uh, I don't see a version of kubuntu-dev-tools in a recent release
[21:53] <yofel> what does apt-cache policy say?
[21:53] <ovidiu-florin> ah, sorry
[21:54] <ovidiu-florin> I installed ubuntu-dev-tools with apt
[21:54]  * yofel makes a new recipe as bulldog is MIA and his recipe only builds for raring :/
[21:54] <yofel> ah, kubuntu-dev-tools != ubuntu-dev-tools. You generally want both for kubuntu :)
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin> so I guess the kubuntu-dev-tools bring more specific stuff for KDE/Kubuntu and the ubuntu-dev-tools brings the base stuff
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin> right?
[21:55] <yofel> pretty much
[22:03] <yofel> apachelogger: where would you put builds for https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+recipe/kubuntu-dev-tools ? For now I put them in kubuntu-ppa/ppa as they break nothing and are the only packaged version we have. Would it make more sense to make a kubuntu-ninjas/kubuntu-dev-tools though?
[22:04]  * yofel doesn't want to randomly create and delete ppa's
[22:04] <apachelogger> yofel: uhm, dunno, why build it at all? :P
[22:04] <apachelogger> has like 3 dependencies and no actual binaries
[22:05] <yofel> convenience :P
[22:06] <apachelogger> yofel: just keep em in kubuntu-ppa I guess
[22:06] <apachelogger> seems most convenient anyway 
[22:06] <apachelogger> (vs having to add another ppa just for the tools)
[22:06] <yofel> ack
[22:06] <apachelogger> because that at point you might as well run dpkg-buildpackage xD
[22:07] <yofel> right..
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> can anyone please explain the step at line 28 from here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6417142/ ?
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure what to do
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> Do I have to get the lines for kubuntu ninjas?
[22:55] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yes
[23:01] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: for trusty, I guess, right?
[23:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> I've added them and then ran apt-get update
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> and it sayd that it failed to fetch
[23:04] <apachelogger> if you are makign a trusty pbuilder anyway ;)
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> said*
[23:05] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: then you did something wrong I guess
[23:05] <apachelogger> there definitely are packages for trusty in the ppa
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> I'll read more about pbuilder and ask shadeslayer tommorow
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:34] <shadeslayer> bah, I left my power adapter at the office
[23:35] <apachelogger> gj
[23:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: install ca-certificates
[23:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: did you get a bot control set up?
[23:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bot control for?
[23:38] <apachelogger> for music
[23:38] <Riddell> no i didn't
[23:38] <shadeslayer> ah, dunno, Riddell was in control of it for most of the time
[23:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you find your power cable?
[23:38] <shadeslayer> I didn't find it at my place
[23:38] <Riddell> i gave you the cable
[23:39] <Riddell> yeh power cable
[23:39] <shadeslayer> no, *power cable*
[23:39] <shadeslayer> for your laptop
[23:39] <Riddell> yeah speaker cable
[23:39] <apachelogger> ur drunk, go to bed :P
[23:40] <Riddell> sorry actually it's nim typing - non posh school= fr less literate
[23:40] <apachelogger> heya xD
[23:40] <shadeslayer> stop covering up the fact that you had too much whiskey at the parteh
[23:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> omomg
[23:41] <apachelogger> he spelled it whiskey
[23:41]  * apachelogger waits for fallout
[23:41] <Riddell> i'm frnkly just confused by omomg
[23:41] <Riddell> like wtf
[23:41] <shadeslayer> Whisky
[23:41] <apachelogger> <- also not sober
[23:42] <Riddell> Riddel doesn't think he's drunk
[23:42] <Riddell> that's just british folk loosening up
[23:42] <apachelogger> sounds jolly drunk to me then
[23:42] <shadeslayer> haha
[23:43] <Riddell> no it's really not
[23:44] <Riddell> can still remember where i live and what i'm supposed to be doing
[23:48] <apachelogger> mh, boring