[07:21] <Private_User> hello people
[07:22] <IQman> Private_User: hi
[07:22] <Kilos> morning all
[07:22] <Private_User> anybody here know how to solve the issue of Lubuntu not shutting down when trying to shut down, it just reboots
[07:23] <Private_User> Kilos, and I have tried quite a few solutions still nothing
[07:23] <Private_User> hi IQman
[07:23] <Kilos> using 12.04 lubuntu
[07:52] <sirr> Anyone got lubuntu 13.10 x64 running properly with vmware tools? Referring to the auto-screen size adjustments
[10:19] <zleap> how do I do this g+ hang out thing amjjawad wants to chat with me  but i can't get it to work properly
[10:19] <bioterror> tell him to use real chat things
[10:19] <bioterror> like IRC
[10:19] <zleap> ok
[10:20] <zleap> done,  well i said iw am on irc
[12:41] <Jfuzi> hello, I have an issue where MOST icons in file manager do not show up, unless I mouse-over them
[12:54] <Jfuzi> welp, gottago. trying to install the proprietary nvidia drivers atm and see if that helps
[17:28] <leszek> hi
[18:08] <padrino> Any of you successfully ran Lubuntu on a Raspberry Pi?
[18:09] <holstein> padrino: the debian or ubuntu versions for arm or pi would run, and you can add LXDE
[18:09] <padrino> I thinking of getting one, just need a portable wireless mouse + keyboard lol
[18:10] <holstein> i wouldnt get a pi to run a specific operating system.. i would get it if it meets your needs.. lowpower, cheap.. etc
[18:10] <padrino> Yeah I'm thinking of just getting an Android mini PC instead
[18:11] <holstein> if running ubuntu is the main goal, you can find likely arguably a lot "better" options
[18:11] <padrino> Cheaper + have better specs for a general lightweight PC
[18:11] <Unit193> holstein: Pretty sure you can't with Ubuntu Arm, wrong version.
[18:11] <holstein> Unit193: yeah, i think its limited..
[18:12] <holstein> ive been wanting a PI, but i just have enough old PC's around, and dont need the pi
[18:15] <padrino> Either gonna buy an Android mini PC or just a cheap second hand netbook and boot Lubuntu on it
[18:16] <holstein> padrino: i aquire machines (such as second hand netbook) routinely for no cost that run lubuntu well
[18:17] <padrino> how do you get them for no cost?
[18:17] <holstein> if running lubuntu is the main goal, i wouldnt go PI or android mini
[18:17] <padrino> And do you know of a computer IRC channel? I have a laptop here where I think the internal HDD has failed and I want info on fixing it
[18:18] <holstein> padrino: like that.. i get that machine with the bad hard drive, and replace it, for example
[18:18] <holstein> padrino: you can use the lubuntu live CD to test that hard drive
[18:18] <padrino> yeah, I've tried booting some Linux distros on that laptop from USB
[18:18] <padrino> I tried Tails, Slitaz and Puppy Linux and they all worked fine when running from USB
[18:18] <padrino> But didn't work when I attempted to install them
[18:19] <padrino> And the laptop fails to even boot Windows (standard OS) so I think it's HDD failure
[18:19] <holstein> padrino: test the hard drive..
[18:19] <padrino> holstein how?
[18:20] <holstein> padrino: i use whatever live CD i have at the time
[18:20] <Unit193> Using mhdd.
[18:20] <holstein> !info gsmartcontrol
[18:20] <padrino> holstein yeah I've used some LiveCDs and they run fine
[18:20] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[18:20] <holstein> padrino: i use the live CD to run tools that test the hard drive
[18:20] <padrino> oh
[18:21] <padrino> I'll try it now, running Ultimate Boot CD through Tails should work, right?
[18:22] <holstein> padrino: i dont have those in front of me.. the tools that i reference are in the main repos for most distro. or the live CD i linked is quite small in size
[18:22] <holstein> http://worldofgnome.org/test-your-hard-drives-with-gsmartcontrol/
[18:23] <holstein> not sure what you mean by "through tails".. i thought tails *was* a live CD
[18:24] <padrino> yeah, Tails is a live CD
[18:25] <padrino> But I'm wondering if I can execute a hard drive test in Tails OS?
[18:25] <holstein> padrino: so, you are either using the tails live CD, or the ultimate boot cd.. you dont run one through the other
[18:26] <holstein> padrino: i dont use tailsOS, but if you have access to repos, you can install a tool to test the hard drive.. or there may be some included
[18:26] <holstein> if you have a lubuntu live CD, you can install gsmarcontrol, and run the tests as mentioned in the link above
[18:27] <padrino> so to run the Ultimate boot CD... I just unpackage the ISO on to a USB, then when I boot up computer click "boot from USB external"?
[18:27] <padrino> Like I would with another LiveCD OS
[18:27] <padrino> When I boot Tails, it says I/0 error on device sdb3, logical block 2. That's before it's even booted fully
[18:29] <holstein> padrino: i use unetbootin to run the ultimatebootcd.. i dont see where they report it can be "unpackaged on to a USB"
[18:30] <padrino> That's what I meant. Just I use Universal USB installer instead of Unetbootin
[18:30] <holstein> padrino: you use the iso you download however you want.. and however you can. burn a CD, or use a tool that allows CD iso's to run from USB, like unetbootin.. or dd copy the iso to a stick if that is supported
[18:30] <holstein> you can also, just replace the hard drive, if that is easier for you, and you have another one laying about
[18:32] <padrino> nope I don't :-( I'm going to boot UltimateBootCD and see what the error is, thanks for the help so far btw :-)
[18:33] <holstein> if you can boot SD cards (which all of my netbooks do) you can just disable or remove the internal hard drive, install to sd card, boot it and enjoy
[18:37] <padrino> What do I select when I boot UltimateBootCD?
[18:57] <holstein> padrino: i use whatever tool is appropiate for the task i want to do..
[18:57] <padrino> holstein okay, well I've just ran one but not sure what it was P
[18:57] <padrino> :p
[18:57] <holstein> padrino: in the parted magic live option there are the tools i mentioned
[18:57] <padrino> yeah I just ran some Parted Magic thing
[18:57] <padrino> And now it just says:
[18:58] <padrino> Setting up system devices... DONE
[18:58] <holstein> padrino: the one i listed will look *just* like the screen shots i gave, and is available from most distros
[18:58] <padrino> Searching for PMAGIC_2013_08_01.SQFS ...
[18:58] <padrino> I ended up using UltimateBootCD but yeah
[19:21] <padrino> yo holstein
[19:21] <padrino> I need a little help here
[19:22] <ianorlin> padrino in case he is not here what is your problem?
[19:22] <holstein> padrino: i would run the lubuntu live CD.. install "gsmartcontrol" and run "gksudo gsmartcontrol" from the terminal.. it'll look like the picturs on the site i linked at that point
[19:22] <padrino> Well I ran a GSmartControl test on my internal HDD (which I thought was the problem) and came back with these results
[19:22] <padrino> http://i.imgur.com/EFxwKdH.png
[19:22] <holstein> testing hardware is not trivial.. i wouldnt get stuck in one place.. if something isnt working for you, just move on
[19:22] <padrino> and http://i.imgur.com/xhrq24i.png
[19:23] <holstein> padrino: i run the *long* extended tests
[19:23] <padrino> so I ran the test wrong?
[19:23] <holstein> padrino: if you are having issues installing to the drive, the drive could be bad, or it could be (from what you have reported) just that windows is not booting from that drive, and something else is preventing you from installing to the hard drive
[19:24] <holstein> padrino: there are differet tests.. i run the long one.. i dont konw what you ran..
[19:24] <padrino> I'm not sure whether it's the RAM or the HDD though, which is what I wanted to find out
[19:24] <holstein> padrino: the lubuntu live CD, as well as most other live CD's, and the ubcd have memory tests
[19:24] <ianorlin> yes run memtest
[19:25] <holstein> run whatever tests you can.. rule things out as you go.. these test (when i trust the results) run for hours
[19:25] <holstein> i usually let a memtest run overnight.. and the long hard drive test can take hours
[19:26] <padrino> but when the errors come up, I won't know what they mean
[19:27] <holstein> padrino: i open a search page and search.. or, if i see *any* error, and i have other hardware, i swap hardware and test again
[19:27] <padrino> ah okay, I'm running memtest now
[19:27] <padrino> Don't know how long it'll take, but thanks :-)
[19:27] <holstein> there are reasons why techs charge for these services.. they are not always trivial.. though, its easy enough to test hardware if one is patient..
[19:51] <padrino> Yo
[19:52] <padrino> I just ran memtest and it says "Pass complete, no errors, press Esc to exit". But I'm 100% sure there's errors somewhere in system
[19:52] <deleted_> Well it's not the memory ;)
[19:52] <padrino> I think it's the HDD but I'm not sure how to test that
[19:53] <padrino> I form a diagnoses on HDD, right?
[19:53] <Unit193> http://hddguru.com/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ ?  What's the brand of device?
[19:53] <padrino> Toshiba
[19:53] <padrino> Toshiba HDD, Dell Laptop
[19:54] <Unit193> And did you run the S.M.A.R.T. tools on it?
[19:55] <padrino> I ran GSmartControl but I'm not sure what you mean by SMART tools
[19:55] <deleted_> You can use FSCK to check for errors
[19:55] <deleted_> or a bootable rescut CD to use other more robust tools
[19:55] <deleted_> *recue CD
[19:56] <padrino> I can run HDAT V4.9.3 on HDD, which is "Expert tool for ATA/ATAPI/SATA diagnostics with most detailed SMART + DCO & HPA features + advanced routines for surface scan and refresh + bad sector remapping and wipe"
[19:56] <padrino> I'm current running the UltimateBootCD live USB
[19:57] <holstein> padrino: if there is not data on the drive that i want to keep, i dont bother with repair steps at first
[19:58] <deleted_> padrino, is this a linux based boot disk?
[19:58] <padrino> yes deleted_
[19:58] <holstein> padrino: i would run the simple long test in gsmartcontrol.. its in the parted magic live enviroment on the UBCD, and its in the repo for ubuntu
[19:59] <holstein> padrino: if you already ran some tools that say there are no errors, then try and install to the drive
[19:59] <holstein> padrino: i would want to run a test that takes a few hours on both the hard drive and the memory
[19:59] <deleted_> padrino, sorry for asking, have you already run a test to check for disk errors?
[20:00] <padrino> I don't even know what I've already ran :(
[20:00] <holstein> padrino: the memtest runs.. its ongoing.. it'll say no errors at the beginning .. its one you can just leave running for hours
[20:00] <padrino> And holstein, I booted up the parted magic live environment and went into Gsmartcontrol and couldn't find any simple long test
[20:00] <holstein> padrino: it'll look just like the screenshots i sent you.. theres a dropdown box where you chooose the type of test
[20:01] <holstein> padrino: have you tried to install to the disk?
[20:01] <padrino> holstein can I boot "Live with default settings" or do I have to "Run from RAM"?
[20:01] <holstein> padrino: you dont have to do either.. its a choice
[20:01] <holstein> padrino: if you want to run from ram, run from ram..
[20:02] <holstein> padrino: i suggest to you, as you learn, try all defaults, til the defaults dont fit your particular needs.. have you tried to install lubuntu?
[20:03] <padrino> holstein yeah, and I don't think my laptop can manage it
[20:04] <padrino> It can only run the super-lightweight distros
[20:04] <holstein> padrino: then, there is no need to test *anything* then
[20:04] <holstein> padrino: lubuntu *is* light
[20:04] <padrino> holstein I mean a really lightweight one, like slitaz
[20:04] <holstein> padrino: what are the specs?
[20:04] <padrino> or puppy linux
[20:04] <padrino> and it's got 250GB HDD, 3GB RAM
[20:04] <holstein> padrino: im familiar with both..
[20:04] <padrino> Not sure about the rest, although I can probably find out
[20:05] <holstein> padrino: lubuntu will run fine on there..
[20:05] <padrino> but I think my internal HDD is failing, that's why it's not installing?
[20:05] <padrino> Cause Windows can't even boot on it
[20:05] <holstein> padrino: if you have not tried installing lubuntu, try that, please
[20:05] <holstein> padrino: puppy is not easily installable.. and slitaz can be the same
[20:05] <padrino> holstein I did, but it was on the installing page for a very long time
[20:05] <holstein> padrino: windows not being able to boot doesnt proove anything bue that
[20:06] <padrino> and people said it's not usual for it to be on it that long
[20:06] <holstein> padrino: do it again, with the latest iso, and report.. .
[20:06] <holstein> padrino: or, continue testing.. mabye in a hardware specific channel
[20:07] <padrino> I'm going to boot Lubuntu
[20:07] <padrino> install lubuntu*
[20:07] <holstein> padrino: boot it live.. to the live desktop first
[20:08] <padrino> so don't install first, just boot as livecd?
[20:11] <holstein> padrino: thats what i said, and meant to imply, and suggest..
[20:11] <holstein> padrino: if you cant boot the live enviroment, you need to address that first
[20:11] <holstein> padrino: do you have the latest lubuntu? 13.10?
[20:14] <padrino> yes holstein
[20:14] <padrino> I'm running it now
[20:15] <holstein> it?
[20:15] <holstein> the live environment is booted?
[20:16] <padrino> Not exactly, it just stays on the Lubuntu booting screen for ages: http://i.imgur.com/h1iGmQc.png
[20:16] <padrino> (sorry about bad image quality)
[20:16] <holstein> padrino: then, thats is the issue that i suggest dealing with
[20:16] <padrino> what issue?
[20:16] <holstein> is it graphics related? a bad iso?
[20:16] <holstein> padrino: ? that one.. you need to be able to boot the live environment
[20:17] <padrino> it's not a bad ISO
[20:17] <padrino> and I don't know the problem with the laptop, that's what I was trying to find out
[20:18] <holstein> padrino: did you confirm the md5 of the iso?
[20:18] <padrino> Ye
[20:18] <padrino> Yes*
[20:18] <padrino> It's finally booted
[20:19] <holstein> padrino: here are just a few potential issues i run into when installing *any* os on *any* hardware that you can address in any order you like.. supported graphics drivers could be causing that to hang.. you can try
[20:19] <deleted_> This has happened to me as well. Have you checked to see if your PC supports PAE?
[20:19] <padrino> But it took an awfully long time
[20:19] <holstein> !nomodeset
[20:19] <holstein> padrino: its a live environment.. it wont be "fast".. its for hardware support testing.. try to install now, choosing the entire disk as the target
[20:19] <holstein> if asked, dont install updates during the installation
[20:21] <padrino> Yeah, it's installing now just loading: http://i.imgur.com/f3jpDW0.png
[20:22] <holstein> padrino: dont install updates, or codecs.. just install from the disk
[20:23] <padrino> yeah I have
[20:24] <padrino> How long should it stay on the screen I just screenshotted for?
[20:25] <holstein> padrino: depends
[20:25] <holstein> padrino: you should prepare to wait
[20:25] <holstein> typically takes me anywhere from 8 minutes to an hour or so, depending on the hardware
[20:26] <genii> Just the network timeout is 2 minutes usually ( tries twice, a minute each)
[20:27] <holstein> i typically have already gotten online at that point, and tested all the hardware to see how the support is.. but, im a "look before you leap" kind of guy
[20:36] <padrino> It's still on that screen, don't think it's going to work