[00:13] <Gallomimia> oh. crap. some of the instructions i'm looking at are 5 years old :O
[00:48] <Gallomimia> oh.... this device allows "adb sideload" will i be able to install ubuntu that way/
[01:16] <Des_> hey can someone answer one of my questions?
[02:47] <AskUbuntu> Availability for HTC phones | http://askubuntu.com/q/376740
[03:14] <half_mast> Is anyone getting network errors when updating the core apps through the update manager?
[03:27] <ragazzid> hello there
[03:33] <ragazzid> is there anyone there?
[03:44] <GeekyGamer14> heh
[03:44] <ragazzid> =D
[05:14] <Gallomimia> not a very active channel.... but maybe i came in while everyone was sleeping
[05:18] <newUser89981> Uhhh... I think the question that I'm about to ask has already been asked and answered before by a dev. But, when is nexus 5 expected to be ported over?
[05:18] <newUser89981> If I recall correctly, the dev said, "
[05:19] <newUser89981> "it's not planned yet, it might be included in the next cycle", but that doesn't say when the current cycle ends (i assumed dec, but I wanted to make sure)
[05:19] <Gallomimia> i think in april
[05:19] <Gallomimia> if cycles in ubuntu are what i think they are...
[05:19] <Gallomimia> april and october is turnover
[05:20] <newUser89981> Yeah... it's hard to say unless you know their dev cycles.
[05:20] <Gallomimia> well, that's their release cycles
[05:20] <Gallomimia> anyway, i'm speculating. please don't take my word on it
[05:20] <newUser89981> No, it's okay. I was just wondering myself.
[05:21] <Gallomimia> i'm currently working on installing to a D2 tablet. model 712
[05:21] <newUser89981> Since my attempt at porting it over to my S2 skyrocket resulted in massive failure last weekend, I was wondering if it's worth pursuing this weekend or not.
[05:21] <Gallomimia> but it doesn't seem to support adb in the same way :/
[05:21] <Gallomimia> massive failure as in brick, or FTS i give up?
[05:22] <newUser89981> as in I couldn't even get an image. I was missing some configs.
[05:22] <Gallomimia> hm.
[05:23] <Gallomimia> well, i'd appreciate some help working on this tablet. i gotta leave now tho. tomorrow hopefully the channel won't be comatose
[05:23] <newUser89981> I can't quite remember the step. It was about modifying a config that was supposed to be in ../device/manufacturer/codename/CONFIGHERE
[05:23] <inblueswithu> Can i install this on a Virutal machine?
[05:23] <inblueswithu> I mean ubuntu touch?
[05:24] <newUser89981> If you have the image for the device itself, I think it might be possible.
[05:24] <Gallomimia> you know that would be worth trying, and then it would also be worth writing a wiki page about it
[05:24] <Gallomimia> newUser89981: what image for the device? the original android image or....
[05:25] <newUser89981> original android image i meant
[05:25] <inblueswithu> Ok. we cant as of yet. i saw in forums
[05:25] <Gallomimia> ah. yes i'm having trouble ripping that off to make a backup
[05:25] <Gallomimia> inblueswithu: aw that's too bad. well, here's hoping you try making it happen and sharing your results
[05:31] <inblueswithu> Its here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/259338/is-there-an-ubuntu-touch-emulator-or-a-way-to-install-it-in-a-vm Says they are working on a emulator.
[05:32] <inblueswithu> Gallomimia: I dnt think there is any kind of straight image available except install onthe devices directly
[05:32] <Gallomimia> there is. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/20131018/
[05:33] <inblueswithu> thats good. then i can try to some extent atleast :)
[05:33] <Gallomimia> i would guess the one you're looking for is at the bottom. i'm at a loss myself as to what to install. non-porting page says all three sub-types
[05:34] <Gallomimia> but i think i'll give it a go with the 391 meg'er one and see what i can do
[05:34] <Gallomimia> my tablet has some kind of restore feature. that should help if i can't get a backup made :/
[05:34] <Gallomimia> anyone here familiar with "adb sideload" ?? that's the only adb feature my tablet has
[06:25] <AskUbuntu> How to prevent Ubuntu touch from entering sleep mode? | http://askubuntu.com/q/376791
[06:30] <Lusv> Hey everyone
[06:30] <Lusv> I need some help
[06:31] <Lusv> :D Hello world!
[06:31] <half_mast> Hello
[06:31] <Lusv> Hi dude
[06:31] <Lusv> I have Nexus 4
[06:31] <Lusv> runned on android
[06:32] <Lusv> And I am tryin to install ubuntu touch
[06:32] <half_mast> Cool I have a nexus 4 running ubuntu
[06:32] <Lusv> The PPA has the tools and dependencies to support Precise, Quantal, Raring and Saucy. Add the Ubuntu Touch PPA by adding the following custom source list entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[06:32] <Lusv> I didn't understand this step
[06:33] <Lusv> :D is it cool ?
[06:33] <half_mast> Ok first are you running ubuntu on your pc
[06:33] <Lusv> And working fine ? I only need need mcalls sms and wifi
[06:33] <Lusv> No but I got it on my stick, I can run it like portable os
[06:34] <Lusv> Is that fine ?
[06:34] <half_mast> Ok what version of ubuntu is it?
[06:34] <Lusv> 13.10
[06:34] <half_mast> Ok prefect 13.10 is Raring
[06:34] <Lusv> :D Guess what?
[06:35] <Lusv> I bounght my device one day ago
[06:35] <Lusv> I only bought it to try ubuntu touch
[06:35] <half_mast> Wait 13.10 is Saucy. My bad
[06:35] <Lusv> Saucy yeah it's written here
[06:35] <Lusv> Won't work or what?
[06:36] <half_mast> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu Saucy main
[06:36] <Lusv> What should I do
[06:36] <Lusv> I opened the link
[06:36] <half_mast> So where is says [dist-codename] replace it with Saucy
[06:36] <Lusv> ok
[06:37] <half_mast> And that should do it
[06:37] <half_mast> Good luck man
[06:37] <Lusv> Wait
[06:37] <half_mast> Yeah
[06:37] <Lusv> Should I be on ubuntu  right now?
[06:37] <half_mast> Yes
[06:37] <Lusv> If so then I better plug my usb
[06:37] <Lusv> okay
[06:38] <Lusv> I will be back
[06:38] <Lusv> :D
[06:47] <luvsy> Hey half_mast
[06:47] <luvsy> I am back
[06:47] <luvsy> I am now on Ubuntu
[06:47] <luvsy> From my PC
[06:48] <luvsy> Hello Dude
[06:48] <half_mast> @Luvsy Cool
[06:48] <luvsy> :)
[06:48] <luvsy> I plugged in my nexus 4
[06:49] <half_mast> @Luvsy Begin following the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[06:49] <luvsy> the first step should be on my android
[06:49] <luvsy> right?
[06:49] <luvsy> I told you that I didn't get it
[06:49] <luvsy> I did not understand it
[06:50] <luvsy> :/
[06:50] <half_mast> @Luvsy Yeah your phone can be on
[06:50] <luvsy> Yeah it is :)
[06:51] <half_mast> @lusvy ok open your terminal
[06:51] <luvsy> ok
[06:51] <luvsy> I did
[06:52] <half_mast> @luvsy copy and paste the line of code into the terminal
[06:52] <luvsy> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[06:52] <luvsy> this one ?
[06:53] <half_mast> @lusvy yup
[06:53] <luvsy> Done
[06:53] <luvsy> :)
[06:54] <half_mast> @luvsy ok then copy the lines of code under "Then do the following"
[06:54] <luvsy> it said this:
[06:54] <luvsy> kages have unmet dependencies:  phablet-tools : Depends: python-lzma but it is not installable                  Depends: python-requests but it is not installable                  Recommends: ubuntu-dev-tools but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[06:56] <half_mast> @luvsy Not to be mean but are you sure want to do this?
[06:57] <luvsy> Yeah I really want to try beside I can restore Android right? I mean I can have android if it didn't work well
[06:57] <luvsy> right?
[06:58] <half_mast> Yeah you can restore android. But I won't be there to walk you through the steps
[06:59] <luvsy> :/
[06:59] <luvsy> Okay we can restore android tomorrow
[06:59] <luvsy> How about that?
[07:00] <half_mast> Ok
[07:00] <luvsy> :D ok
[07:00] <half_mast> bye man
[07:00] <luvsy> Okay have a good day
[09:20] <dholbach> could it be that the mediascanner-service is running all the time in an infinite loop (trusty laptop) - it seems like once it's done running over all of ~, a new process starts right again?
[09:23] <ogra_> dholbach, why do you have it installed on a laptop ?
[09:23] <dholbach> ogra_, I did an upgrade and it got installed
[09:24] <ogra_> weird
[09:24] <popey> bug 1237065
[09:25] <dholbach> popey, the thing is: when I look at the log (~/.cache/upstart/media*.log), I can see it walking over all the directories, but when I watch the process number, it changes, so it goes over the same directories over and over again
[09:25] <dholbach> so if it was a use-lots-of-cpu-and-a-long-time-on-the-first-run, that'd be fine with me :)
[09:25]  * ogra_ definitely doesnt have mediascanner installed here on trusty
[09:26] <ogra_> running u-m to see if i get it
[09:26] <dholbach> ogra_, unity8 recommends unity-scope-mediascanner, which depends on mediascanner
[09:26] <ogra_> oh
[09:26] <ogra_> right
[09:27] <ogra_> well, unity8 still kind of assumes touch too :)
[09:27] <dholbach> sure, but we need a way of testing it on the desktop, now more than ever :)
[09:28] <ogra_> are there any plans for u8 on desktop in trusty ?
[09:28] <ogra_> i thought that was 14.10
[09:29] <dholbach> it'd be good if we could have a desktop session to figure out bugs early on
[09:29] <ogra_> indeed
[09:29] <dholbach> so yeah, I just dpkg -P'ed the *mediascanner* packages and killed the process
[09:30] <dholbach> it seems like the CPU fans are calming down :)
[09:31] <Mirv> tvoss: I added this kind of areaMonitor stub to the qtlocation Ubuntu plugin to compile with 5.2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtlocation-opensource-src/revision/37/debian/patches/add_support_for_ubuntu_platform.patch
[09:32] <tvoss> Mirv, ack
[09:37] <Fish-Face> what's the current best way to get multitouch gestures from a touchpad to work (without Unity)
[09:38] <ogra_> Fish-Face, better ask in #ubuntu-x, this channel is for the ubuntu phone/tablet edition (using unit8)
[09:39] <ogra_> +y
[09:39] <Fish-Face> oh, OK (I was led here by the multitouch wiki page)
[09:39] <popey> Fish-Face: which page? I'll "fix" it ☻
[09:40] <Fish-Face> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[09:40] <Fish-Face> maybe it's fine
[09:41] <Fish-Face> it's a bit depressing though. Previously I was using touchegg, but that's not particularly wonderful (doesn't always detect gestures, or gets it wrong, sometimes) and isn't actively developed. So now I have a fresh installation and was wondering about alternatives
[09:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! :-D
[09:42] <Fish-Face> so far I tried the mtrack driver (horrible mouse movement) and ginn (no documentation, most gestures never seem to activate)
[09:43] <Fish-Face> so, sad times!
[10:45] <jannaj> I'm trying trusty-preinstalled-touch image on GoogleNexus7 (grouper) and when click into input field (WiFi password, for example) no virtual keyboard pops up. What can I check ?
[10:51] <jannaj> ?
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:46] <mardy> beuno: ping
[11:48] <beuno> mardy, pong
[12:03] <mardy> beuno: hi! I wanted to ask you about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1248326
[12:04] <beuno> mardy, ah yes
[12:04] <mardy> beuno: I guess that what happens is that the U1 app asks OA for a token, and OA returns a token which is no longer valid?
[12:05] <beuno> mardy, right, so at some point, for some reason, the previously valid token is no longer valid
[12:05] <beuno> and everything just sits there failing silently
[12:05] <mardy> beuno: but the U1 app is aware of the failures, right?
[12:06] <beuno> mardy, not in a user friendly way
[12:06] <beuno> which is why I plastered the internet with bugs  :)
[12:06] <mardy> beuno: I see, so you also filed bugs to U1?
[12:07] <beuno> mardy, I did, ye
[12:07] <beuno> yes
[12:08] <mardy> beuno: do you have the links? I'd like to comment there with a proposed solution
[12:09] <beuno> mardy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-credentials/+bug/1251024
[12:09] <beuno> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/1251023
[12:10] <mardy> beuno: thanks! Out of curiosity, why didn't you create a single bug affecting the three projects?
[12:11] <beuno> *facepalm*
[12:12] <beuno> I don't want to talk about it.
[12:19] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thanks for "fixing" Bug #1237998 and Bug #1237618
[12:19] <mardy> beuno: :-) Do you mind if I mark the latter two as duplicates and add the projects to the first one instead? I think that in this way it would be easier to handle (less risk of miscommunicating)
[12:20] <beuno> mardy, that would be great, thank you
[12:20] <mardy> beuno: yw :-)
[12:20] <ogra_> mamenyaka, yeah, sorry that it took so long
[12:21] <mamenyaka> ogra_, did you talk with jdstrand about where should the apparmor files go?
[12:22] <ogra_> yeah
[12:22] <mamenyaka> so will they remain in lxc-android?
[12:23] <mamenyaka> or what's the plan?
[12:24] <ogra_> yep
[12:24] <ogra_> together with the udev rules and whatever other device specific files
[12:25] <mamenyaka> when will it land?
[12:26] <ogra_> next image
[12:26] <mamenyaka> great!
[12:40] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm just looking at he dashboard is there a reason I don't see tablets listed?
[12:47] <ogra_> davmor2, we stopped testing them iirc ...
[12:47] <ogra_> but will soon start with that again
[12:48] <davmor2> ogra_: no worries
[13:03] <asac> rsalveti: ChickenCutlass: check the doc i shared :)
[13:09] <rsalveti> asac: looks reasonable
[13:10] <rsalveti> guess kind of what we discussed already
[13:10] <rsalveti> asac: I just believe we should also have a few devices for the design team, as they will request that
[13:10] <ogra_> rsalveti, do we need a session about the governor stuff or is a bug suffificent ?
[13:11] <asac> rsalveti: demo/sales or engineering hardware for design?
[13:11] <rsalveti> not many, but at least a few
[13:11]  * ogra_ guesses the latter 
[13:11] <rsalveti> asac: design
[13:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug should be fine
[13:11] <ogra_> ++
[13:11] <rsalveti> we got -etoomanysessions already
[13:12] <ogra_> asac, if you assign devices, dont forget davmor2 and popey ... our most valuable manual testers ;)
[13:12]  * popey hugs ogra_ 
[13:12] <rsalveti> asac: for example, it's hard to test a high-res device with the emulator
[13:12] <asac> popey: which team are you in? :)
[13:12] <popey> under bill
[13:12] <ogra_> the underbill team :)
[13:13] <asac> popey: ok i think you are in CI team for this matter :)
[13:14] <popey> ok!
[13:14] <popey> "I'll be whoever you want me to be"
[13:15] <asac> thats what we all like :)
[13:15] <asac> hehe
[13:15] <rsalveti> lol
[13:15] <ogra_> asac, davmor2 is in jfunks team fwiw
[13:16] <asac> yeah
[13:16] <asac> that i know
[13:18] <ogra_> mhall119, congrats for becoming a CC member !
[13:23] <asac> rsalveti: check out slide 10
[13:32] <rsalveti> asac: yup, looks better
[13:40] <asac> rsalveti: check again :)
[13:40] <asac> rsalveti: do you get the calc? :)
[13:45] <rsalveti> asac: we should probably switch the amount of devices for the kernel enginnering/demo in there
[13:45] <asac> rsalveti: the current scheme really just cost $96 per head :)
[13:45] <asac> err 132 + 92
[13:45] <asac> rsalveti: did you change the kernel engineer harwdare to 1 for engineering hardwarwe?
[13:46] <asac> thought i had put in 2
[13:46] <rsalveti> asac: nops
[13:46] <asac> oh wait... i did that because they have the techlead as well
[13:46] <asac> rsalveti: so demo/sales also to 1 ?
[13:46] <asac> sure
[13:46] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[13:46] <rsalveti> yeah
[13:46] <asac> i think it was a left over from when i had 2
[13:46] <asac> rsalveti: can we add a device somewhere else so i dont need to redo the math :)?
[13:46] <asac> lets give QA one demo
[13:46] <rsalveti> asac: yeah
[13:47] <asac> and design another engineering one
[13:47] <asac> done
[13:47] <asac> :)
[13:48] <rsalveti> asac: we should probably remove one engineering unit from phonedations, if the same tech lead logic you said for the kernel team applies in there
[13:49] <rsalveti> but anyway, looks way better now
[13:49] <asac> rsalveti: oh right. this reminds me that the numbers i put next to techleads and phonedations (ALL) are just guesses
[13:49] <asac> rsalveti: is the phonedations number currently matching team members?
[13:49] <asac> :)
[13:49] <rsalveti> asac: haha, yeah
[13:49] <rsalveti> we're 7
[13:49] <asac> rsalveti: including chicken?
[13:50] <rsalveti> asac: yup
[13:50] <rsalveti> asac: but chicken is a manager not a tech lead
[13:50] <asac> rsalveti: techleads i dont know either
[13:50] <asac> too hard to count :)
[13:51] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:51] <ogra_> it is one manager and 6 tech leads in phonedations :)
[13:51] <asac> lol
[13:51] <rsalveti> lol
[13:51] <asac> how many teams do we have?
[13:51] <asac> :)
[13:51] <asac> in UE?
[13:53] <rsalveti> ~20?
[13:54]  * ogra_ points to directory.c.c
[14:12] <mardy> is the last update for the Nexus 4 the one from 17/10, or is my device somehow not correctly receiving updates?
[14:12] <ogra_> mardy, which channel ?
[14:13] <Tassadar> yeah, saucy channel was last updated on 17/10
[14:14] <ogra_> yeah, saucy is on r100, saucy-proposed is on r101 (one maguro fix), trusty is on r10 and trusty-proposed is on r21
[14:14] <Tassadar> is saucy still receiving updates?
[14:14] <ogra_> might
[14:14] <Tassadar> it's like the "stable" version, right?
[14:14] <ogra_> we want to test the update mechanism at some point
[14:15] <ogra_> yeah, it is actually the stable alias
[14:15] <ogra_> trusty is the devel alias
[14:15] <ChickenCutlass> asac, looking at the doc
[14:15] <mardy> ogra_: ah, right, that might be the trick; I guess it's using "stable"
[14:16] <Nothing_Much> huh
[14:17] <mardy> ogra_: do I need to reflash in order to change the channel, or can it be done in some other way?
[14:17] <ogra_> via adb
[14:17] <ogra_> system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0
[14:18]  * popey adds that to the wiki
[14:18] <mardy> ogra_: thanks!
[14:18] <mardy> popey: good idea
[14:19] <ogra_> popey, we should probably use channel devel there ... not sure
[14:21] <mardy> ogra_: which channel gives the latest and greatest (and buggiest)?
[14:21] <ogra_> trusty-proposed
[14:21] <Gallomimia> trusty-proposed
[14:21] <ogra_> but that can even leave you in a broken state (we had a few unbootable images on the weekend for example)
[14:22] <ogra_> if it breaks you gotta keep the pieces yourself ...
[14:22] <mardy> ogra_: ok, I guess that trusty is good enough then :-)
[14:31] <mterry> pete-woods, I don't actually see the bug subscriber in libqtdbusmock/test
[14:35] <TechieElf> Any devs ?
[14:38] <davmor2> ogra_: you called
[14:38] <ogra_> me ?
[14:38] <ogra_> nah, i just mentioned you to asac ... telling him that you always break our stuff
[14:39] <davmor2> ogra_: guilty as charged
[14:39] <ogra_> :)
[14:39] <davmor2> ogra_: My motto is, if at first it does break use a bigger hammer :)
[14:40] <ogra_> hehe
[14:40] <Gallomimia> always best tool for fixin' 'puters
[14:40] <ogra_> ++
[14:42] <davmor2> ogra_: For things that work really well I hide Mjölnir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mj%C3%B6lnir) under the desk it doesn't know what's hit it :D
[14:42] <ogra_> haha, dont let loki get you !
[14:45] <davmor2> ogra_: he doesn't know where I live I keepz it secretz the precioussssss
[14:45]  * ogra_ grins
[14:53] <JamesTait> mandel_, ping re package publisher.
[14:54] <mandel_> JamesTait, pong no idea what you mean with 're package publisher.'
[14:54] <mandel_> :)
[14:55] <mhall119> thanks ogra_
[14:55] <JamesTait> mandel_, oh, I may be mis-remembering then.  Someone wanted us to add the publisher field to Click Package info, and have it return the company name if there is one, or the developer name otherwise.
[14:56] <mandel_> JamesTait, could it be alecu ??
[14:56] <JamesTait> mandel_, it could be anyone if it's not you! :-P
[14:56] <mandel_> JamesTait, yes... but with that can of request...
[14:57] <mandel_> JamesTait, send it to the mailing list then
[14:57] <JamesTait> I think there's a bug about it, let me see if I can find it and if that helps. :)
[14:58] <JamesTait> mandel_, OK, you're right, it was alecu. Sorry for the noise.
[14:58] <mandel_> JamesTait, no problem :)
[14:59] <mandel_> JamesTait, I'm in the same time as alecu, just doing something diff
[14:59] <JamesTait> Is alecu around today?
[14:59] <JamesTait> mandel_, how's the ankle, btw?
[15:00] <mandel_> JamesTait, fine, I've not been able to get back to rugby yet.. a PITA but I suppose I'm getting old
[15:00] <mandel_> JamesTait, alecu is out, I think we has a holiday today 'cause he has some errands to deal with
[15:00] <JamesTait> mandel_, you've got some catching up to do! ;)
[15:00] <cwayne> kalikiana, ping
[15:01] <JamesTait> mandel_, but then again, I don't play hockey any more either, my knees couldn't take it.
[15:01] <JamesTait> OK, so for the moment I'm going to just return the publisher info in the package details, not the search results.  That seems to be what's required, I just wanted to check.
[15:02] <mandel_> JamesTait, yes.. I'm playing in second spanish division (I have to travel etc..) and I don't have the time or the energy.. also playing against uni students that have all they to go to the gym while I compile cpp is not a good idea ;)
[15:03] <JamesTait> mandel_, on the other hand, I bet they couldn't compile their way out of a wet paper bag. ;)
[15:03] <mandel_> JamesTait, hahahaha true
[15:03] <JamesTait> :D
[15:04] <mandel_> JamesTait, and they think I'm 5 years younger than I am
[15:04] <JamesTait> I've heard of off-by-one errors, but off-by-five...?
[15:06] <mandel_> JamesTait, weird, I know :)
[15:20] <cwayne> dpm, ping
[15:33] <kalikiana> cwayne: pong
[15:34] <cwayne> kalikiana, hey, so translations *did* work with tedg's branch :D
[15:36] <kalikiana> yeah I saw your follow-up comment. unfortunately enough it's not unusual for me to see things work/not work and next time the opposite… too much magic involved :-(
[15:37] <cwayne> kalikiana, i think it's likely i'd forgotten to reboot after setting the locale or something
[15:37] <cwayne> or i'd just happened to choose an app and a language that wasn't well supported perhaps
[15:38] <kalikiana> actually you may have been tricked be the settings app, as I have in the past, it pretends to be localized even if the environment isn't updated
[15:38] <cwayne> kalikiana, that could be it as well..
[15:38] <cwayne> kalikiana, but either way, i think this MR is good to go through
[15:38] <cwayne> once jenkins is awakened that is
[15:39] <dpm> hi cwayne
[15:39] <kalikiana> whenever that is… the last two updates still were vague when it'll all be up
[15:40] <kalikiana> hopefully in the next 20h or so
[15:41] <cwayne> kalikiana, yeah, im not quite sure
[15:41] <cwayne> i didn't realize we'd had so many jenkinses
[15:42] <cwayne> dpm, i just dput account-plugin-evernote to ppa:cwayne18/evernote :)  version 2 should work once mardy's MR goes through
[15:43] <cwayne> dpm, also, we've got a fix for click translations in the pipeline, so shall we start the call for translation contributions once that's in?
[15:43] <cwayne> tedg, ping, was the upstart-app-launch fix added to the landing plan?
[15:44] <davmor2> ogra_: hey dude is there an image spinning today at all?  Is that why we were being pinged ready :)
[15:44] <ogra_> nothing spinning, we're waiting for the test env to come back up
[15:45] <dpm> cwayne, awesome. Yeah, I think it will make sense to start the call for translations, I'll talk to translators. Did you see my comment to your MP for the addition to phablet-tools to change locale?
[15:46] <cwayne> oh i didn't, let me check it
[15:46] <cwayne> dpm, ah, good point
[15:47] <cwayne> dpm, maybe for now i should just check it against the installed ones
[15:48] <dpm> cwayne, yeah, perhaps. The goal is to have installable language packs, which should take care of that. It'd be cool in the meantime to be able to generate the locales, but I couldn't think of a way to do it for the RO image
[15:48] <cwayne> hm, that makes it a bit more complicated..
[15:48] <tedg> cwayne, No clue.  Pretty much ignoring the landing plan thing.  Just using the PPA.
[15:49] <cwayne> dpm, mount -o rw,remount / && localegen zh_CN
[15:49] <tedg> cwayne, Pretty much at the point of ignoring the archive.
[15:49] <cwayne> but that's not a generally accepted thing to do :)
[15:49] <dpm> :)
[15:49] <cwayne> tedg, ah, well mind if i add it in?
[15:49] <tedg> cwayne, Sure
[15:49] <cwayne> tedg, i'll go through all the beaurocrat crap for ya :)
[15:51] <dpm> cwayne, also, for the Evernote provider, there is something else that would be nice to add: showing the logged-in user name. Essentially it's adding a .conf file to the package. This conversation summarizes it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6416391/
[15:51] <dpm> I can have a go at creating that file and perhaps you could add it to the package in the PPA?
[15:51] <cwayne> dpm, unfortunately it's not that easy on phone
[15:51] <dpm> ah
[15:51] <cwayne> dpm, that's in the package already, just unsure if it will work properly yet
[15:52] <dpm> cwayne, ah, cool, let me test the package then. Up until now I've been doing it with manually installed .provider and .service files
[15:52] <cwayne> dpm, for phone generally you'd need a qml-plugin (which i've also included, but may need to update)
[15:52] <cwayne> dpm, sure, not sure if it's built int he ppa yet or not
[15:52] <dpm> ok
[15:52] <cwayne> you'll want version 2
[15:59] <newUser89982> Hey, does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here... I'm trying to change my kernel via the file specified in "TARGET_KERNEL_CONFIG " but I can't find this file. As a matter of fact, the directory itself "kernel/[manufacturer]/[codename]/arch/arm/configs/" does not seem to exist.
[16:01] <cwayne> mhall119, hey, is quickly still a thing?
[16:01] <cwayne> or is it kinda deadsies
[16:04] <popey> deadsies AIUI
[16:07] <cwayne> daw
[16:07] <cwayne> thanks popey
[16:07] <cwayne> maybe we should revive it, i have some ideas for templates
[16:09] <davmor2> cwayne: but we have the shiny sdk go use that tis fun ;)
[16:09] <cwayne> davmor2, i do use that! but not everything will use sdk
[16:09] <cwayne> like account-plugins
[16:09] <mhall119> cwayne: yeah, most of the functionality exists in QtCretor+plugins for Qt/QML
[16:10] <cwayne> fair enough
[16:10] <cwayne> mhall119, is there any docs on how to make new templates?
[16:10] <mhall119> cwayne: if you want to take the lead on quickly development, go for it
[16:10] <mhall119> cwayne: bzoltan might be able to help with that
[16:11] <Gallomimia> ah good the channel does live, unlike late last night :)
[16:11] <davmor2> cwayne: so write a c++ solution that others can pin to their apps and point mhall119 at it and see if it can't be include as a guide :)
[16:11] <cwayne> now that i think of it, maybe once we migrate account-plugins to click, maybe doing it in qtcreator will make sense..
[16:11] <cwayne> davmor2, ha, i would if i knew c++ :D
[16:11] <ogra_> Gallomimia, it usually lives during the european and US workday
[16:11] <davmor2> cwayne: so there is your new challenge dude ;)
[16:11] <cwayne> do we have to refer to mhall119 as councilman hall now?
[16:11] <Gallomimia> oh come on. it's easy :)
[16:12] <Gallomimia> thanks ogra_ alas i'm pacific tz and that puts us on the cusp of all that
[16:12] <ogra_> cwayne, dholbach is the councilman... mhall119 only the councilminion ;)
[16:12] <Gallomimia> council minion hall to you.
[16:12] <dholbach> bah, not quite
[16:13] <Gallomimia> ;)
[16:13] <cwayne> lol
[16:13] <cwayne> bzoltan, ping
[16:13] <ogra_> you won with a distance
[16:13] <ogra_> :)
[16:13] <ogra_> king of council :)
[16:14] <Gallomimia> alright so, before i become immediately horizontal, i just want to mention that i'd really like to see ubuntu running on a D2 pad, and that D2 pad is going to be mine. to that end, it's becoming rather bothersome to try and work with the adb tools and all that, when it only supports sideload
[16:14] <Gallomimia> so, any tips?
[16:15] <dpm_> cwayne, I've tried to quickly build the Evernote package locally for testing (on 13.10), but the package build seems to fail -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6416510/ any ideas why?
[16:16] <mhall119> cwayne: you can still refer to me as "Lead Developer" :)
[16:17] <cwayne> mhall119, :D
[16:17] <mhall119> Gallomimia: what is a D2 pad?
[16:17] <cwayne> dpm_, hmm, works here.. maybe youre missing some build-deps?
[16:17] <cwayne> dpm_, want me to send over a deb in the meantime?
[16:17] <davmor2> mhall119: :D I love that say that on a channel full of devs oh and me :)
[16:18] <Gallomimia> mhall119: tablet made by d2. http://d2pad.info
[16:19] <dpm> cwayne, I installed all the build deps, but yeah, if you've got the .deb for me to test, that'd be cool.
[16:21] <mhall119> Gallomimia: do you know if there's a CyanogenMod image for it?
[16:21] <cwayne> dpm, sent
[16:25] <Gallomimia> mhall119: i don't, tho that's been on my list of things to look at. but why?
[16:26] <Gallomimia> doesn't appear to have any.... this company seems pretty new
[16:28] <mhall119> Gallomimia: having a CyanogenMod image makes porting Ubuntu to a device easier
[16:28] <Gallomimia> life's a beach eh?
[16:28] <Saviq> ogra_, can you please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/set-mir-socket/+merge/194963
[16:29] <Gallomimia> anyway, since i've already come close to smashing it five times due to frustrating UI and terrible performance, so my choices are pretty limited. either it gets an operating system i care about, or it's getting crushed in a hydraulic press....
[16:29] <Gallomimia> incidentally, what are my chances of running ubuntu on a FirefoxOS  ZTE dev preview phone?
[16:31] <dpm_> cwayne, got the .deb and tested it. I've got a local package with the signond fixes, so I can confirm that it works \o/ - I noticed just two minor things: 1) The Evernote icon is much bigger than the rest 2) My username is still not shown on the list of accounts on the left. Let me PM you a screenshot
[16:32] <cwayne> dpm_, i'll try and fix the email not showing up, but the process for it is going to be different on the phone anyway
[16:35] <ogra_> slangasek, coudl we probably flip https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-early-boot-animation and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-low-battery-boot-mode on the schedule (as long as you can still attend the bootsplash one) ... the low battery stuff kind of needs info from the other
[16:36] <slangasek> ogra_: what are the titles?  I can't search by blueprint name.
[16:37] <slangasek> ogra_: I doubt I can switch them, anyway
[16:37] <ogra_> Ubuntu Touch bootsplash support from initrd to shell
[16:37] <ogra_> and
[16:37] <ogra_> Low battery handling during boot
[16:38] <slangasek> ok
[16:38] <slangasek> yes, I can switch those, though the time for moving things on the schedule was /last/ week
[16:38] <slangasek> and if anyone complains I'll just switch them back
[16:38] <ogra_> ok
[16:39] <slangasek> ok, should be switched
[16:39] <ogra_> thanks
[16:40] <ogra_> would the scheduler have picked it up if i had added a dependency the right way ?
[16:40] <ogra_> or is that manual anyway
[16:40] <slangasek> manual
[16:40] <ogra_> k
[16:41] <slangasek> a) the scheduler never cared about dependencies, b) the autoscheduler isn't used anymore anyway
[16:41] <ogra_> ah, right
[16:57] <brokolica> hello :'
[16:59] <brokolica> is Ubuntu touch possible ported to A500 iconia tab ?
[17:01] <ogra_> brokolica, if there is a cyanogenmod image for it yes, else it will be hard (though others have ported from other android versions i.e. AOSP)
[17:02] <plars> barry: question for you... if we wanted to produce a modified system-image, what would be the best way to go about that?  By modified, I mean updated deb/click packages to test a change for CI
[17:02] <plars> we were discouraged from considering a "real" build process, as it's probably too slow for this
[17:03] <plars> but modifying something based on system-images seems a bit hairy
[17:03] <brokolica> ogra_ thnx :)
[17:04] <ogra_> plars, why ? all you might lose is OTA upgradeability
[17:05] <plars> ogra_: I don't care about upgradeability in this case, but it would be good to have something that can be installed and possibly reused, rather than install the latest, add ppa, update, etc
[17:11] <plars> and perhaps I'm overthinking it and cdimage-touch images could be used instead, while system-image images would be still used for the final test of real produced images
[17:11] <plars> the goal here is to test things that people want to land
[17:12] <plars> ex. some fix has changes needed in 3 branches, packages have been built, and we want to put those on top of current proposed and make sure nothing breaks
[17:19] <didrocks> plars: do not forget the case "I want to remaster both on image #5 and image #10 while latest proposed one is image #10"
[17:19] <didrocks> plars: meaning, you need to use packages from the past
[17:20] <didrocks> (those are image A and B)
[17:20] <didrocks> C is just latest proposed, but the archive moved in between
[17:21] <plars> didrocks: I'm not sure I understand the use case for that, wouldn't you always want to test against proposed, since that's what it's going to need to work with before you can merge?
[17:22] <didrocks> plars: think about the feature branch case
[17:22] <didrocks> you want to know:
[17:22] <didrocks> - if you broke yourself
[17:22] <didrocks> - if something else in trunk broke you
[17:22] <didrocks> - if something else in distro broke you
[17:22] <didrocks> this is why we produce those 3 images
[17:22] <didrocks> (look at the CI Airline presentation, those should be detailed)
[17:23] <plars> didrocks: right, I saw that, but missed all the discussion around it
[17:23] <didrocks> plars: we can chat about it again if you want (or tomorrow if you prefer)
[17:24] <didrocks> this is actually a key point of working in a feature branch
[17:24] <plars> didrocks: well, you said that you've produced things like this before by hand for testing, do you have at least an outline of the process?
[17:24] <didrocks> plars: in french in a french wiki, yes ;)
[17:25] <didrocks> plars: I think I can dive into it again and see it in the touch world if needed
[17:25] <didrocks> but cjwatson thinks that remasterizing is the best way as well for our concerns
[17:25] <plars> didrocks: I could let google translate take a crack at it, but for much more I may need some help with that :)
[17:27] <plars> didrocks: sure, I'm thinking mostly about touch. desktop seems a bit more straightforward, though I'm not sure offhand how to guarantee that we could take a week old image and update to something in a ppa while ensuring that we get *nothing* else
[17:27] <didrocks> oh, I made a script at the time
[17:27] <didrocks> plars: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/+junk/french-cd
[17:28] <didrocks> plars: pinning FTW!
[17:28] <didrocks> plars: I'm trying to refind the "manual instructions"
[17:29] <ogra_> plars, assuming you will use the emulator for testing in the future anyway, take a look at the build-emulator.sh script
[17:29] <ogra_> err
[17:29] <ogra_> build-emulator-sdcard.sh
[17:29] <ogra_> shoudl be easy to inject anything you want in there
[17:32] <barry> plars: hi.  do you mean you want to try out what will be s-i 2.0?  or do you want to make other modifications to test out?
[17:32] <kenvandine> i just got a new nexus 4, but having the problem where adb shows it as offline
[17:32] <kenvandine> unchecking mtp and ptp doesn't help....
[17:32] <kenvandine> ideas?
[17:32] <didrocks> kenvandine: debug mode enabled?
[17:32] <plars> barry: no, this is something entirely different I'm afraid
[17:32] <plars> ogra_: I'll look into that
[17:32] <didrocks> kenvandine: I meant "developer mode"
[17:33] <kenvandine> it is
[17:33] <kenvandine> prompted to authorize it, etc
[17:33] <didrocks> interesting…
[17:33] <kenvandine> the wiki shows it has been a problem for some people
[17:33] <barry> plars: okay. i guess i need more information :)
[17:33] <kenvandine> and unchecking mtp and ptp help sometimes...
[17:37] <cwayne> bzoltan, ping
[17:42] <kd0hdf> Is any one working on a ubuntu touch port for the nexus 5?
[17:43] <ogra_> kd0hdf, that will most likely be officially supported at some point (no final word yet though)
[17:44] <kd0hdf> Alright
[17:50] <cwayne> mhall119, maybe we don't need quickly after all :) https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/webapp-template/+merge/195274
[17:50] <cwayne> for packaging webapps :)
[17:55] <mhall119> cwayne: +1
[17:55] <pacificfils> Hello.
[18:07] <mhall119> hello pacificfils
[18:17] <porron> hey
[18:18] <porron> why are you developing ubuntu for android?
[18:18] <popey> Hello
[18:18] <porron> If you are already developing ubuntu touch
[18:18] <porron> what's the matter?
[18:18] <popey> Nothing the matter
[18:18] <popey> It's good to have a diverse portfolio of products
[18:18] <porron> :/
[18:18] <porron> considering the slowness of the product, I would definetely say NOPE
[18:18] <pacificfils> ?
[18:19] <porron> ubuntu touch required so much time
[18:19] <porron> ans still need so much development
[18:19] <pacificfils> ^
[18:19] <pacificfils> *cough cough* MIR
[18:19] <porron> to waste energies on something like ubuntuforandroid... I don't see the reason
[18:19] <porron> unless you explain me
[18:19] <popey> Ubuntu for Android already exists
[18:19] <popey> It's just not been made publicly available.
[18:19] <popey> We're focussed on Ubuntu Touch for phones and Tablets.
[18:20] <porron> what's the reason for UbuntuForAndroid
[18:20] <pacificfils> I truly have no idea.
[18:20] <porron> Just to have a cool ubuntu-like interface on android-based machines?
[18:20] <popey> Well.
[18:20] <popey> It allows people to use an Android device as their phone, while also using it as an Ubuntu desktop when docked.
[18:21] <pacificfils> Hmmm...
[18:21] <porron> but, lol...
[18:21] <porron> I mean
[18:21] <pacificfils> But you need a POWERFUL device.
[18:21] <porron> you can do perfectly the same leaving android on it
[18:21] <porron> and also, what pacificfils said
[18:21] <cwayne> pacificfils, works just fine on nexus4
[18:21] <cwayne> not that powerful
[18:21] <pacificfils> And you need special docks, etc.
[18:21] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jqfce/we_are_the_engineering_team_behind_ubuntu_for/
[18:21] <popey> that probably answers many of your questions
[18:22] <pacificfils> I know. I run UT on my Nexus.
[18:22] <cwayne> im talking ufa
[18:22] <cwayne> works fine on n4
[18:22] <pacificfils> Really?
[18:22] <cwayne> yea
[18:22] <pacificfils> I don't have a N4 to test on...
[18:22] <cwayne> it's not released anyway...
[18:22] <cwayne> see that AMA popey posted above
[18:22] <pacificfils> Not even to devs?
[18:22] <cwayne> correct
[18:23] <cwayne> again, that AMA has most of the answers for your questions :)
[18:23] <pacificfils> I mean UFA looks neat as a "portable desktop", but can't you just run 13.04 on the N4?
[18:23] <pacificfils> And have a laptop in a phone.
[18:23] <popey> most desktop apps dont tailor themselves well on a phone
[18:24] <pacificfils> gp.
[18:24] <pacificfils> *cough* LibreOffice
[18:24] <popey> *cough* every gtk and qt app
[18:24] <popey> basically every app in the archive
[18:24] <pacificfils> lol
[18:24] <pacificfils> Would there be a way to merge UT and UfA?
[18:25] <popey> perhaps, in the future.
[18:25] <pacificfils> that would make sense.
[18:25] <porron> what  kind of advantages can "a smartphone that has a desktop in it"?
[18:25] <porron> I mean, it's totally pointless
[18:25] <pacificfils> portability mainly.
[18:25] <porron> all the syncronizing issues can be done with android
[18:25] <cwayne> porron, how is it pointless
[18:26] <cwayne> you plug your phone into a monitor, attach a keyboard/moues and you have a full desktop
[18:26] <popey> having one device which can be docked and used as a desktop is compelling to many
[18:26] <porron> cwayne: what advantages could it have? Tell me.
[18:26] <popey> corporate users for example
[18:26] <pacificfils> Cheaper.
[18:26] <popey> where they host their apps in the cloud
[18:26] <popey> give employees one single device to manage
[18:26] <pacificfils> Imagine not having to buy a computer anymore. Just a cell phone.
[18:26] <pacificfils> It is cheaper and easier to maintain.
[18:26] <cwayne> can be maintained via landscape
[18:26] <pacificfils> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
[18:27] <cwayne> plus the integration between android/ubuntu is awesome
[18:27] <pacificfils> Well...
[18:27] <popey> yeah, having your same contacts / bookmarks etc between phone and desktop
[18:27] <porron> that's totally pointless
[18:27] <porron> if I need a desktop I buy a desktop
[18:28] <pacificfils> That is why a merge between UT and UfA would be good.
[18:28] <porron> much more powerful than a fu***** smartphone
[18:28] <cwayne> pacificfils, it's planned
[18:28] <popey> porron: don't use it then
[18:28] <pacificfils> ^
[18:28] <porron> of course I don't popey
[18:28] <pacificfils> Porron, if you don't like it, you don't get it.
[18:28] <porron> But I'm trying to understand why you folks did it
[18:28] <porron> I mean
[18:28] <popey> no
[18:28] <pacificfils> Like me.
[18:28] <popey> you're not
[18:28] <cwayne> so youre the kind of guy that just comes to a channel to trash it?
[18:28] <porron> I think you re not stupid
[18:28] <porron> I think you're intelligent people
[18:28] <popey> you're shitting on it without actually understanding what we're saying
[18:28] <pacificfils> I hate Macs. I don't get macs. easy as that.
[18:28] <porron> who doesn't waste time on useless things
[18:28] <porron> so I'm really trying to find a point
[18:29] <porron> to find a real usefulness for it
[18:29] <porron> That's why.
[18:29] <porron> period.
[18:29] <popey> just because it doesn't suit *you* doesn't mean it doesn't suit *others*
[18:29] <pacificfils> To have the phone and computer in one. Not necessarily powerful.
[18:29] <popey> many people don't need a super fast desktop PC for their daily activities
[18:29] <popey> especially when their daily apps are hosted in the cloud
[18:29] <pacificfils> But a desktop you can take with you for quick tasks.
[18:29] <pacificfils> Like email or word documents.
[18:29] <ogra_> porron, did you ever use android 1.0 devices ?
[18:29] <popey> give someone a lean device running citrix / vmware and a browser and they're done.
[18:29] <porron> popey: indeed android is more than enough
[18:30] <ogra_> porron, i think ubuntu touch is miles better
[18:30] <pacificfils> But Android isnt a desktop UI.
[18:30] <porron> I'm sure about ubuntu touch ogra_
[18:30] <popey> luckily it's not my job to convince you porron
[18:30] <pacificfils> UfA is just Android with a desktop interface.
[18:30] <porron> pacificfils: A desktop UI is designed to be on a desktop
[18:30] <porron> lol
[18:30] <cwayne> and to the user, it is a desktop
[18:30] <pacificfils> ^
[18:30] <cwayne> it's on a separate monitor
[18:30] <cwayne> with a separate keyboard and mouse
[18:31] <pacificfils> It is on a desktop when its docked.
[18:31] <popey> or a tv ☻
[18:31] <cwayne> it runs android on the screen, and ubuntu on the second monitor
[18:31] <pacificfils> ^
[18:31] <cwayne> you can use both at the same time
[18:31] <pacificfils> Which is awesome.
[18:31] <cwayne> quite well, in fact
[18:31] <porron> my god ok I understand it, but even android devices can be connected with bigger screens
[18:31] <porron> I still don't see the point
[18:31] <pacificfils> But they don't have the Ubuntu UI.
[18:32] <porron> oh my gosh
[18:32] <pacificfils> I think the point is to combine the brilliance/portability of Android
[18:32] <awe_> and Android wasn't really designed for desktop usage
[18:32] <porron> so we come back to the initial point
[18:32] <popey> you do
[18:32] <popey> we dont
[18:32] <pacificfils> with the usability of Ubuntu
[18:32] <porron> it's just to have an ubuntu-like interface on a android-based smartphone
[18:32] <popey> no.
[18:32] <pacificfils> Yes.
[18:32] <pacificfils> When its docked.
[18:32] <popey> it's to have desktop apps on a phone, which integrate with the phone apps on the phone
[18:33] <popey> one device to carry around and manage
[18:33] <pacificfils> Its merging two things together.
[18:33] <porron> desktop apps on a phone?
[18:33] <popey> yes
[18:33] <popey> Ubuntu desktop = desktop apps
[18:33] <ogra_> same app on different form factors
[18:33] <pacificfils> yes.
[18:33] <popey> libreoffice, firefox, citrix, vmware etc
[18:33] <pacificfils> FF is already on android.
[18:33] <pacificfils> but not as featured.
[18:33] <popey> desktop apps running on the cpu in the phone, displayed on a 21" screen
[18:33] <pacificfils> ^
[18:34] <popey> accessed with a keyboard and mouse, connected to network, used like any other desktop would be
[18:34] <pacificfils> afk
[18:35] <sergiusens> this video explains UfA sort of well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ ; just ignore the edge parts
[18:35] <pacificfils> back
[18:35]  * popey wanders off to make chilli
[18:35] <pacificfils> Whatever did happen to edge?
[18:35] <pacificfils> GET ME SOME POPEY!!!
[18:35] <ogra_> it didnt get funded
[18:36] <pacificfils> darn. I really wanted to see that in BestBuy.
[18:36]  * sergiusens should given the link with a start time of 1:30
[18:37] <pacificfils> Maybe Samsung will help us. Someone should talk to them.
[18:37]  * pacificfils goes update Nexus nightly.
[18:37] <ogra_> pacificfils, the edge was never designed to be sold anywhere
[18:37] <pacificfils> why not?
[18:38] <ogra_> only backers were supposed to get it ... it wasnt for shops ... the amount of money that was planned to be raised would exactly have covered the production costs
[18:38] <pacificfils> ehh.
[18:38] <pacificfils> I think we should contact Samsung.
[18:38] <sergiusens> there.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ#t=1m23s
[18:38] <pacificfils> I can see them making it.
[18:39] <ogra_> they will
[18:39] <pacificfils> YAY!
[18:39] <ogra_> in 1 or two years
[18:39] <pacificfils> eh.
[18:39] <ogra_> when thats a normal HW setup
[18:39] <pacificfils> When its actually stable.
[18:39] <ogra_> point of the edge was that it pushed the HW boundaries forward quite a bit
[18:39] <pacificfils> So I can't get UfA roms to play around with?
[18:39] <ogra_> so that it would be as powerful as a modern laptop
[18:40] <cwayne> pacificfils, nope, not available yet, sorry
[18:40] <pacificfils> eh.
[18:40] <pacificfils> Any ETA?
[18:40] <ogra_> so that you could use it as a full converged device that can 100% replace your laptop and desktop
[18:40] <cwayne> not that i know of
[18:40] <ogra_> UfA requires that a vendor works with canonical
[18:40] <ogra_> it wont work without changes to the installed android
[18:40] <pacificfils> Then get Samsung involved.
[18:41] <cwayne> lol
[18:41] <pacificfils> Or, I'll just start making modded devices.
[18:41] <pacificfils> There we go. Get a group of people to buy Android smartphones, install UfA, and make a tiny brand out of it.
[18:42] <ogra_> UfA is designed to be preinstalled by vendors ... and the changes in the android install are not small ...
[18:42] <pacificfils> I'm sure it's practically a recoded android.
[18:42] <ogra_> (beyond ... there is no public source or even binary release of UfA)
[18:42] <ogra_> no, it just requires changes
[18:43] <pacificfils> The point is to make a vendor that just redoes the phones.
[18:43] <ogra_> its still the same android ... but with additional options in the kernel enabled and some changes to the OS
[18:43] <ogra_> no
[18:43] <pacificfils> eh.
[18:43] <pacificfils> Oh, it needs special hardware?
[18:43] <ogra_> the point is to find a vendor who wants to work with you from day one on ... for a new model that they bring out at some point
[18:44] <pacificfils> makes sense.
[18:44] <ogra_> doing it retroactively is just expensive
[18:44] <pacificfils> On an unrelated note, when is the Mur fix gonna be pushed?
[18:44] <ogra_> Mur ?
[18:44] <pacificfils> Mir*
[18:45] <ogra_> which fix ?
[18:45] <pacificfils> For the seizure-o-matic 9000
[18:45]  * ogra_ has no idea what you are talking about 
[18:45] <pacificfils> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1238695
[18:45] <ogra_> there are surely plenty of Mir bugs ...
[18:46] <ogra_> ah
[18:46] <ogra_> thats in the works :)
[18:46] <ogra_> i have seen an N7 working already
[18:46] <pacificfils> Can we please fix that?
[18:46] <ogra_> yes, people are working on it
[18:46] <pacificfils> I am getting sick of using TouchFlinger.
[18:46] <pacificfils> Also, any plans for a "wine" for APKs?
[18:46] <ogra_> should be there within the next week or 10 days or so
[18:47] <pacificfils> Mir or Wine
[18:47] <ogra_> wine ?
[18:47] <tvoss_> pacificfils, Mir
[18:47] <pacificfils> Also, any plans for a "wine" for APKs?
[18:47] <ogra_> why would you wrap windows binaries into apk
[18:47] <pacificfils> ...
[18:47] <pacificfils> Run ANDROID APPS on UT
[18:47] <ogra_> someone might implement that, indeed
[18:47] <ogra_> but its surely not in our planning atm
[18:48] <cwayne> pmcgowan, hey, is there a session on the app settings for 14.04?
[18:48] <pacificfils> also, maybe a dedicated appstore app?
[18:48] <ogra_> i think the click lens will improve over time
[18:48] <pacificfils> Still, all of the big devs have a dedicated appstore
[18:49] <pmcgowan> cwayne, no session, its pretty well decided and near done
[18:49] <pacificfils> It just makes it easier IMO
[18:49] <ogra_> for now we need to get all bits and pieces working first
[18:49] <ogra_> before we start planning nifty features
[18:49] <pacificfils> And, some lockscreen security?
[18:49] <ogra_> right
[18:49] <cwayne> pmcgowan, ah, great.  is there a way for us to customize settings for oems et al?
[18:49] <pacificfils> That is kind of essential
[18:49] <ogra_> lockscreen is planned for 14.04
[18:49] <pacificfils> final?
[18:49] <ogra_> as is support for all sensors on the nexus devices
[18:49] <pmcgowan> cwayne, we did discuss that, christian took it as a requirement
[18:49] <ogra_> and a lot of other stuff we are still lacking
[18:50] <pacificfils> since trusty nightlies no have it.
[18:50] <cwayne> pmcgowan, great, thanks.  i guess i'll bother you guys again once it's in the image :)
[18:50] <pmcgowan> cwayne, feel free to check with him, I think he has a branch
[18:50] <davmor2> pacificfils: it will land once it is functional in other words
[18:50] <ogra_> and since we wriite all this from scratch there is not much time for nift shiny bling features like running apks or such
[18:50] <cwayne> pmcgowan, christian as in kalikiana ?
[18:50] <pmcgowan> cwayne, yes
[18:51] <cwayne> pmcgowan, awesome, thanks
[18:51] <pacificfils> ok.
[18:51] <pacificfils> also, can we maybe do changelogs?
[18:51] <ogra_> pacificfils, trusty is just a month old ... we havent even had our planning at the vUDS
[18:51] <ogra_> pacificfils, like http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ ?
[18:51] <pacificfils> I did not know that existed.
[18:51] <ogra_> :)
[18:52] <davmor2> pacificfils: it's in the topic :)
[18:52] <pacificfils> To the WIKI!
[18:52] <ogra_> its a wiki !
[18:52] <pacificfils> ok, i am blind.
[18:52] <ogra_> edit it !
[18:52] <ogra_> :)
[18:52] <pacificfils> Exactly what I'm doing
[18:52] <ogra_> if you feel it belongs there
[18:52]  * pacificfils goes to edit wiki.
[18:55] <pacificfils> eh. i'll take care of it later.
[18:55] <pacificfils> My lazyness level just peaked.
[19:21] <derp> nexus 5 ubuntu touch?
[19:23] <rsalveti> derp: soon
[19:52] <kenvandine> yay... i have a working mako!
[19:54] <davmor2> kenvandine: I don't, I do have a working a maguro though ;)
[19:57] <kenvandine> davmor2, :-D
[20:05] <janimo> slangasek, hi, do you know who's in charge with UDS session scheduling for core?
[20:06] <janimo> slangasek, this does not show up in the table: slsummit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22116/core-1311-ubuntu-touch-for-x86/
[20:10] <pmcgowan> mhall119, ^^
[20:14] <rsalveti> grouper is so slow to flash
[20:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: it used to be slow to build the android image for it as well, but that's super fast now :P
[20:14] <rsalveti> so more pain when flashing it
[20:15] <kenvandine> rsalveti, my new mako was very slow... 4 tries phablet-flash timed out and failed
[20:15] <kenvandine> turned out on the 5th try... after timing out i just left it
[20:15] <kenvandine> eventually it booted into ubuntu :)
[20:15] <slangasek> janimo: I've scheduled it now; scheduling sessions is a multi-step process, had to wait for summit to pick it up from LP
[20:15] <janimo> slangasek, thanks
[20:16] <rsalveti> kenvandine: weird
[20:16] <mhall119> janimo: for future reference, track leads are listed at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/tracks
[20:16] <rsalveti> mayne your host usb or broken cable?
[20:16] <janimo> mhall119, thanks
[20:32] <popey> kenvandine: 16
[20:41] <AskUbuntu> gsettings-qt bug? | http://askubuntu.com/q/377114
[20:53] <taiebot> Hi guys any news on the next OTA update. I am addicted to updates and did not have any for a long time ^_^
[20:53] <daker> ogra_: anyidea how can i forward tcp:9222 to my local machine on the same port ? adb forward tcp:9222 ...
[21:26] <rsalveti> daker: just adb forward tcp:9222 tcp:9222
[21:29] <daker> rsalveti: ok thanks
[21:31] <rsalveti> janimo: even with aosp, you probably don't want to use our pre-built kernel as is
[21:31] <rsalveti> janimo: otherwise you'll not get any modules
[21:32] <janimo> rsalveti, I did not think of the kernel much. The modules should be added to the system.img right?
[21:32] <rsalveti> it might not be necessarily used atm by our devices, but would need to check
[21:32] <rsalveti> janimo: yes
[21:32] <rsalveti> janimo: see the logic we have to download & extract the modules at build/
[21:33] <janimo> rsalveti, for the AOSP branches I'd like them to run on mako as a proof of concept only
[21:33] <rsalveti> janimo: as I'm sure you don't necessarily want to download that everytime, guess you just need to include them all in your prebuilt repo
[21:33] <rsalveti> and just make sure you're copying the modules as well
[21:33] <rsalveti> janimo: got it
[21:33] <janimo> rsalveti, right, I saw the modules being added, just like the rmadisk is
[21:33] <rsalveti> janimo: yes
[22:04] <rsalveti> janimo: 4.4 binaries/factory images for manta, nexus4 and 7 are all available now at https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[22:05] <Tassadar> 4.4 kernel sources still were not uploaded to repositories :/
[22:07] <rsalveti> yeah
[22:07] <rsalveti> is nexus 5 still 3.4 based?
[22:07] <Tassadar> yes
[22:07] <Tassadar> flo's factory image is corrupted, great :D
[22:07] <Tassadar> it has 856bytes, and checksums match
[22:07] <rsalveti> haha
[22:08] <rsalveti> 3.4 is really old
[22:08] <rsalveti> but guess they just don't care
[22:08] <Tassadar> yeah
[22:08] <Tassadar> https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+refs hammerhead branches are 3.4
[22:09] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks