[00:13] oh. crap. some of the instructions i'm looking at are 5 years old :O [00:48] oh.... this device allows "adb sideload" will i be able to install ubuntu that way/ === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze [01:16] hey can someone answer one of my questions? === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo === makimac is now known as makimac|afk === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo === makimac is now known as makimac|afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === makimac|afk is now known as makimac === makimac is now known as makimac|afk [02:47] Availability for HTC phones | http://askubuntu.com/q/376740 [03:14] Is anyone getting network errors when updating the core apps through the update manager? === makimac|afk is now known as makimac [03:27] hello there [03:33] is there anyone there? [03:44] heh [03:44] =D [05:14] not a very active channel.... but maybe i came in while everyone was sleeping [05:18] Uhhh... I think the question that I'm about to ask has already been asked and answered before by a dev. But, when is nexus 5 expected to be ported over? [05:18] If I recall correctly, the dev said, " [05:19] "it's not planned yet, it might be included in the next cycle", but that doesn't say when the current cycle ends (i assumed dec, but I wanted to make sure) [05:19] i think in april [05:19] if cycles in ubuntu are what i think they are... [05:19] april and october is turnover [05:20] Yeah... it's hard to say unless you know their dev cycles. [05:20] well, that's their release cycles [05:20] anyway, i'm speculating. please don't take my word on it [05:20] No, it's okay. I was just wondering myself. [05:21] i'm currently working on installing to a D2 tablet. model 712 [05:21] Since my attempt at porting it over to my S2 skyrocket resulted in massive failure last weekend, I was wondering if it's worth pursuing this weekend or not. [05:21] but it doesn't seem to support adb in the same way :/ [05:21] massive failure as in brick, or FTS i give up? [05:22] as in I couldn't even get an image. I was missing some configs. [05:22] hm. [05:23] well, i'd appreciate some help working on this tablet. i gotta leave now tho. tomorrow hopefully the channel won't be comatose [05:23] I can't quite remember the step. It was about modifying a config that was supposed to be in ../device/manufacturer/codename/CONFIGHERE [05:23] Can i install this on a Virutal machine? [05:23] I mean ubuntu touch? [05:24] If you have the image for the device itself, I think it might be possible. [05:24] you know that would be worth trying, and then it would also be worth writing a wiki page about it [05:24] newUser89981: what image for the device? the original android image or.... [05:25] original android image i meant [05:25] Ok. we cant as of yet. i saw in forums [05:25] ah. yes i'm having trouble ripping that off to make a backup [05:25] inblueswithu: aw that's too bad. well, here's hoping you try making it happen and sharing your results [05:31] Its here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/259338/is-there-an-ubuntu-touch-emulator-or-a-way-to-install-it-in-a-vm Says they are working on a emulator. [05:32] Gallomimia: I dnt think there is any kind of straight image available except install onthe devices directly [05:32] there is. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/20131018/ [05:33] thats good. then i can try to some extent atleast :) [05:33] i would guess the one you're looking for is at the bottom. i'm at a loss myself as to what to install. non-porting page says all three sub-types [05:34] but i think i'll give it a go with the 391 meg'er one and see what i can do [05:34] my tablet has some kind of restore feature. that should help if i can't get a backup made :/ [05:34] anyone here familiar with "adb sideload" ?? that's the only adb feature my tablet has [06:25] How to prevent Ubuntu touch from entering sleep mode? | http://askubuntu.com/q/376791 [06:30] Hey everyone [06:30] I need some help [06:31] :D Hello world! [06:31] Hello [06:31] Hi dude [06:31] I have Nexus 4 [06:31] runned on android [06:32] And I am tryin to install ubuntu touch [06:32] Cool I have a nexus 4 running ubuntu [06:32] The PPA has the tools and dependencies to support Precise, Quantal, Raring and Saucy. Add the Ubuntu Touch PPA by adding the following custom source list entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. [06:32] I didn't understand this step [06:33] :D is it cool ? [06:33] Ok first are you running ubuntu on your pc [06:33] And working fine ? I only need need mcalls sms and wifi [06:33] No but I got it on my stick, I can run it like portable os [06:34] Is that fine ? [06:34] Ok what version of ubuntu is it? [06:34] 13.10 [06:34] Ok prefect 13.10 is Raring [06:34] :D Guess what? [06:35] I bounght my device one day ago [06:35] I only bought it to try ubuntu touch [06:35] Wait 13.10 is Saucy. My bad [06:35] Saucy yeah it's written here [06:35] Won't work or what? [06:36] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu Saucy main [06:36] What should I do [06:36] I opened the link [06:36] So where is says [dist-codename] replace it with Saucy [06:36] ok [06:37] And that should do it [06:37] Good luck man [06:37] Wait [06:37] Yeah [06:37] Should I be on ubuntu right now? [06:37] Yes [06:37] If so then I better plug my usb [06:37] okay [06:38] I will be back [06:38] :D [06:47] Hey half_mast [06:47] I am back [06:47] I am now on Ubuntu [06:47] From my PC [06:48] Hello Dude [06:48] @Luvsy Cool [06:48] :) [06:48] I plugged in my nexus 4 [06:49] @Luvsy Begin following the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [06:49] the first step should be on my android [06:49] right? [06:49] I told you that I didn't get it [06:49] I did not understand it [06:50] :/ [06:50] @Luvsy Yeah your phone can be on [06:50] Yeah it is :) [06:51] @lusvy ok open your terminal [06:51] ok [06:51] I did [06:52] @luvsy copy and paste the line of code into the terminal [06:52] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools [06:52] this one ? [06:53] @lusvy yup [06:53] Done [06:53] :) [06:54] @luvsy ok then copy the lines of code under "Then do the following" [06:54] it said this: [06:54] kages have unmet dependencies: phablet-tools : Depends: python-lzma but it is not installable Depends: python-requests but it is not installable Recommends: ubuntu-dev-tools but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [06:56] @luvsy Not to be mean but are you sure want to do this? [06:57] Yeah I really want to try beside I can restore Android right? I mean I can have android if it didn't work well [06:57] right? [06:58] Yeah you can restore android. But I won't be there to walk you through the steps [06:59] :/ [06:59] Okay we can restore android tomorrow [06:59] How about that? [07:00] Ok [07:00] :D ok [07:00] bye man [07:00] Okay have a good day === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk === [1]SamZaNemesis is now known as SamZaNemesis === soul is now known as Guest2740 === LiQiong_Lee is now known as 45PAALC5S === kgunn is now known as Guest15371 === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:20] could it be that the mediascanner-service is running all the time in an infinite loop (trusty laptop) - it seems like once it's done running over all of ~, a new process starts right again? [09:23] dholbach, why do you have it installed on a laptop ? [09:23] ogra_, I did an upgrade and it got installed [09:24] weird [09:24] bug 1237065 [09:24] bug 1237065 in mediascanner "mediascanner consumes a lot of cpu for a long time" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237065 [09:25] popey, the thing is: when I look at the log (~/.cache/upstart/media*.log), I can see it walking over all the directories, but when I watch the process number, it changes, so it goes over the same directories over and over again [09:25] so if it was a use-lots-of-cpu-and-a-long-time-on-the-first-run, that'd be fine with me :) [09:25] * ogra_ definitely doesnt have mediascanner installed here on trusty [09:26] running u-m to see if i get it [09:26] ogra_, unity8 recommends unity-scope-mediascanner, which depends on mediascanner [09:26] oh [09:26] right [09:27] well, unity8 still kind of assumes touch too :) [09:27] sure, but we need a way of testing it on the desktop, now more than ever :) [09:28] are there any plans for u8 on desktop in trusty ? [09:28] i thought that was 14.10 [09:29] it'd be good if we could have a desktop session to figure out bugs early on [09:29] indeed [09:29] so yeah, I just dpkg -P'ed the *mediascanner* packages and killed the process [09:30] it seems like the CPU fans are calming down :) [09:31] tvoss: I added this kind of areaMonitor stub to the qtlocation Ubuntu plugin to compile with 5.2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtlocation-opensource-src/revision/37/debian/patches/add_support_for_ubuntu_platform.patch [09:32] Mirv, ack [09:37] what's the current best way to get multitouch gestures from a touchpad to work (without Unity) [09:38] Fish-Face, better ask in #ubuntu-x, this channel is for the ubuntu phone/tablet edition (using unit8) [09:39] +y [09:39] oh, OK (I was led here by the multitouch wiki page) [09:39] Fish-Face: which page? I'll "fix" it ☻ [09:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch [09:40] maybe it's fine [09:41] it's a bit depressing though. Previously I was using touchegg, but that's not particularly wonderful (doesn't always detect gestures, or gets it wrong, sometimes) and isn't actively developed. So now I have a fresh installation and was wondering about alternatives [09:42] Good morning all; happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! :-D [09:42] so far I tried the mtrack driver (horrible mouse movement) and ginn (no documentation, most gestures never seem to activate) [09:43] so, sad times! [10:45] I'm trying trusty-preinstalled-touch image on GoogleNexus7 (grouper) and when click into input field (WiFi password, for example) no virtual keyboard pops up. What can I check ? [10:51] ? [10:59] Morning all === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:46] beuno: ping [11:48] mardy, pong === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:03] beuno: hi! I wanted to ask you about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1248326 [12:03] Ubuntu bug 1248326 in Online Accounts setup for Ubuntu Touch "Handle invalidated token in a more user-friendly way" [Undecided,New] === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu [12:04] mardy, ah yes [12:04] beuno: I guess that what happens is that the U1 app asks OA for a token, and OA returns a token which is no longer valid? [12:05] mardy, right, so at some point, for some reason, the previously valid token is no longer valid [12:05] and everything just sits there failing silently [12:05] beuno: but the U1 app is aware of the failures, right? [12:06] mardy, not in a user friendly way [12:06] which is why I plastered the internet with bugs :) [12:06] beuno: I see, so you also filed bugs to U1? [12:07] mardy, I did, ye [12:07] yes [12:08] beuno: do you have the links? I'd like to comment there with a proposed solution [12:09] mardy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-credentials/+bug/1251024 [12:09] Ubuntu bug 1251024 in ubuntuone-credentials "Improve UX for expired oauth tokens" [Critical,New] [12:09] and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/1251023 [12:09] Ubuntu bug 1251023 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "Improve UX for expired oauth tokens" [Critical,New] [12:10] beuno: thanks! Out of curiosity, why didn't you create a single bug affecting the three projects? [12:11] *facepalm* [12:12] I don't want to talk about it. [12:19] ogra_, thanks for "fixing" Bug #1237998 and Bug #1237618 [12:19] bug 1237998 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "apparmor policy snippets for pollux, pollux_windy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237998 [12:19] bug 1237618 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "apparmor policy snippets for N8000, N8013" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237618 [12:19] beuno: :-) Do you mind if I mark the latter two as duplicates and add the projects to the first one instead? I think that in this way it would be easier to handle (less risk of miscommunicating) [12:20] mardy, that would be great, thank you [12:20] beuno: yw :-) [12:20] mamenyaka, yeah, sorry that it took so long [12:21] ogra_, did you talk with jdstrand about where should the apparmor files go? [12:22] yeah [12:22] so will they remain in lxc-android? [12:23] or what's the plan? [12:24] yep [12:24] together with the udev rules and whatever other device specific files [12:25] when will it land? [12:26] next image [12:26] great! === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [12:40] ogra_: I'm just looking at he dashboard is there a reason I don't see tablets listed? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:47] davmor2, we stopped testing them iirc ... [12:47] but will soon start with that again [12:48] ogra_: no worries === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:03] rsalveti: ChickenCutlass: check the doc i shared :) [13:09] asac: looks reasonable [13:10] guess kind of what we discussed already [13:10] asac: I just believe we should also have a few devices for the design team, as they will request that [13:10] rsalveti, do we need a session about the governor stuff or is a bug suffificent ? [13:11] rsalveti: demo/sales or engineering hardware for design? [13:11] not many, but at least a few [13:11] * ogra_ guesses the latter [13:11] asac: design [13:11] ogra_: bug should be fine [13:11] ++ [13:11] we got -etoomanysessions already [13:12] asac, if you assign devices, dont forget davmor2 and popey ... our most valuable manual testers ;) [13:12] * popey hugs ogra_ [13:12] asac: for example, it's hard to test a high-res device with the emulator [13:12] popey: which team are you in? :) [13:12] under bill [13:12] the underbill team :) [13:13] popey: ok i think you are in CI team for this matter :) [13:14] ok! [13:14] "I'll be whoever you want me to be" === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk [13:15] thats what we all like :) [13:15] hehe [13:15] lol [13:15] asac, davmor2 is in jfunks team fwiw [13:16] yeah [13:16] that i know [13:18] mhall119, congrats for becoming a CC member ! [13:23] rsalveti: check out slide 10 === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:32] asac: yup, looks better === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [13:40] rsalveti: check again :) [13:40] rsalveti: do you get the calc? :) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:45] asac: we should probably switch the amount of devices for the kernel enginnering/demo in there [13:45] rsalveti: the current scheme really just cost $96 per head :) [13:45] err 132 + 92 [13:45] rsalveti: did you change the kernel engineer harwdare to 1 for engineering hardwarwe? [13:46] thought i had put in 2 [13:46] asac: nops [13:46] oh wait... i did that because they have the techlead as well [13:46] rsalveti: so demo/sales also to 1 ? [13:46] sure [13:46] oh, ok [13:46] yeah [13:46] i think it was a left over from when i had 2 [13:46] rsalveti: can we add a device somewhere else so i dont need to redo the math :)? [13:46] lets give QA one demo [13:46] asac: yeah [13:47] and design another engineering one [13:47] done [13:47] :) [13:48] asac: we should probably remove one engineering unit from phonedations, if the same tech lead logic you said for the kernel team applies in there [13:49] but anyway, looks way better now [13:49] rsalveti: oh right. this reminds me that the numbers i put next to techleads and phonedations (ALL) are just guesses [13:49] rsalveti: is the phonedations number currently matching team members? [13:49] :) [13:49] asac: haha, yeah [13:49] we're 7 [13:49] rsalveti: including chicken? [13:50] asac: yup [13:50] asac: but chicken is a manager not a tech lead [13:50] rsalveti: techleads i dont know either [13:50] too hard to count :) [13:51] :-) [13:51] it is one manager and 6 tech leads in phonedations :) [13:51] lol [13:51] lol [13:51] how many teams do we have? [13:51] :) [13:51] in UE? [13:53] ~20? [13:54] * ogra_ points to directory.c.c === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [14:12] is the last update for the Nexus 4 the one from 17/10, or is my device somehow not correctly receiving updates? [14:12] mardy, which channel ? [14:13] yeah, saucy channel was last updated on 17/10 [14:14] yeah, saucy is on r100, saucy-proposed is on r101 (one maguro fix), trusty is on r10 and trusty-proposed is on r21 [14:14] is saucy still receiving updates? [14:14] might [14:14] it's like the "stable" version, right? [14:14] we want to test the update mechanism at some point [14:15] yeah, it is actually the stable alias [14:15] trusty is the devel alias [14:15] asac, looking at the doc [14:15] ogra_: ah, right, that might be the trick; I guess it's using "stable" [14:16] huh [14:17] ogra_: do I need to reflash in order to change the channel, or can it be done in some other way? [14:17] via adb [14:17] system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0 [14:18] * popey adds that to the wiki [14:18] ogra_: thanks! [14:18] popey: good idea [14:19] popey, we should probably use channel devel there ... not sure [14:21] ogra_: which channel gives the latest and greatest (and buggiest)? [14:21] trusty-proposed [14:21] trusty-proposed [14:21] but that can even leave you in a broken state (we had a few unbootable images on the weekend for example) === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [14:22] if it breaks you gotta keep the pieces yourself ... [14:22] ogra_: ok, I guess that trusty is good enough then :-) [14:31] pete-woods, I don't actually see the bug subscriber in libqtdbusmock/test [14:35] Any devs ? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === bob is now known as Guest17115 [14:38] ogra_: you called === Guest17115 is now known as b0bben [14:38] me ? [14:38] nah, i just mentioned you to asac ... telling him that you always break our stuff [14:39] ogra_: guilty as charged [14:39] :) [14:39] ogra_: My motto is, if at first it does break use a bigger hammer :) [14:40] hehe [14:40] always best tool for fixin' 'puters [14:40] ++ [14:42] ogra_: For things that work really well I hide Mjölnir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mj%C3%B6lnir) under the desk it doesn't know what's hit it :D [14:42] haha, dont let loki get you ! [14:45] ogra_: he doesn't know where I live I keepz it secretz the precioussssss [14:45] * ogra_ grins [14:53] mandel_, ping re package publisher. [14:54] JamesTait, pong no idea what you mean with 're package publisher.' [14:54] :) [14:55] thanks ogra_ [14:55] mandel_, oh, I may be mis-remembering then. Someone wanted us to add the publisher field to Click Package info, and have it return the company name if there is one, or the developer name otherwise. [14:56] JamesTait, could it be alecu ?? [14:56] mandel_, it could be anyone if it's not you! :-P [14:56] JamesTait, yes... but with that can of request... [14:57] JamesTait, send it to the mailing list then [14:57] I think there's a bug about it, let me see if I can find it and if that helps. :) [14:58] mandel_, OK, you're right, it was alecu. Sorry for the noise. [14:58] JamesTait, no problem :) [14:59] JamesTait, I'm in the same time as alecu, just doing something diff [14:59] Is alecu around today? [14:59] mandel_, how's the ankle, btw? [15:00] JamesTait, fine, I've not been able to get back to rugby yet.. a PITA but I suppose I'm getting old [15:00] JamesTait, alecu is out, I think we has a holiday today 'cause he has some errands to deal with [15:00] mandel_, you've got some catching up to do! ;) [15:00] kalikiana, ping [15:01] mandel_, but then again, I don't play hockey any more either, my knees couldn't take it. [15:01] OK, so for the moment I'm going to just return the publisher info in the package details, not the search results. That seems to be what's required, I just wanted to check. [15:02] JamesTait, yes.. I'm playing in second spanish division (I have to travel etc..) and I don't have the time or the energy.. also playing against uni students that have all they to go to the gym while I compile cpp is not a good idea ;) [15:03] mandel_, on the other hand, I bet they couldn't compile their way out of a wet paper bag. ;) [15:03] JamesTait, hahahaha true [15:03] :D [15:04] JamesTait, and they think I'm 5 years younger than I am [15:04] I've heard of off-by-one errors, but off-by-five...? [15:06] JamesTait, weird, I know :) === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [15:20] dpm, ping [15:33] cwayne: pong === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [15:34] kalikiana, hey, so translations *did* work with tedg's branch :D [15:36] yeah I saw your follow-up comment. unfortunately enough it's not unusual for me to see things work/not work and next time the opposite… too much magic involved :-( [15:37] kalikiana, i think it's likely i'd forgotten to reboot after setting the locale or something [15:37] or i'd just happened to choose an app and a language that wasn't well supported perhaps [15:38] actually you may have been tricked be the settings app, as I have in the past, it pretends to be localized even if the environment isn't updated [15:38] kalikiana, that could be it as well.. [15:38] kalikiana, but either way, i think this MR is good to go through [15:38] once jenkins is awakened that is [15:39] hi cwayne [15:39] whenever that is… the last two updates still were vague when it'll all be up [15:40] hopefully in the next 20h or so [15:41] kalikiana, yeah, im not quite sure [15:41] i didn't realize we'd had so many jenkinses [15:42] dpm, i just dput account-plugin-evernote to ppa:cwayne18/evernote :) version 2 should work once mardy's MR goes through [15:43] dpm, also, we've got a fix for click translations in the pipeline, so shall we start the call for translation contributions once that's in? [15:43] tedg, ping, was the upstart-app-launch fix added to the landing plan? [15:44] ogra_: hey dude is there an image spinning today at all? Is that why we were being pinged ready :) [15:44] nothing spinning, we're waiting for the test env to come back up [15:45] cwayne, awesome. Yeah, I think it will make sense to start the call for translations, I'll talk to translators. Did you see my comment to your MP for the addition to phablet-tools to change locale? [15:46] oh i didn't, let me check it [15:46] dpm, ah, good point [15:47] dpm, maybe for now i should just check it against the installed ones [15:48] cwayne, yeah, perhaps. The goal is to have installable language packs, which should take care of that. It'd be cool in the meantime to be able to generate the locales, but I couldn't think of a way to do it for the RO image [15:48] hm, that makes it a bit more complicated.. [15:48] cwayne, No clue. Pretty much ignoring the landing plan thing. Just using the PPA. [15:49] dpm, mount -o rw,remount / && localegen zh_CN [15:49] cwayne, Pretty much at the point of ignoring the archive. [15:49] but that's not a generally accepted thing to do :) [15:49] :) [15:49] tedg, ah, well mind if i add it in? [15:49] cwayne, Sure [15:49] tedg, i'll go through all the beaurocrat crap for ya :) [15:51] cwayne, also, for the Evernote provider, there is something else that would be nice to add: showing the logged-in user name. Essentially it's adding a .conf file to the package. This conversation summarizes it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6416391/ [15:51] I can have a go at creating that file and perhaps you could add it to the package in the PPA? [15:51] dpm, unfortunately it's not that easy on phone [15:51] ah [15:51] dpm, that's in the package already, just unsure if it will work properly yet [15:52] cwayne, ah, cool, let me test the package then. Up until now I've been doing it with manually installed .provider and .service files [15:52] dpm, for phone generally you'd need a qml-plugin (which i've also included, but may need to update) [15:52] dpm, sure, not sure if it's built int he ppa yet or not [15:52] ok [15:52] you'll want version 2 [15:59] Hey, does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here... I'm trying to change my kernel via the file specified in "TARGET_KERNEL_CONFIG " but I can't find this file. As a matter of fact, the directory itself "kernel/[manufacturer]/[codename]/arch/arm/configs/" does not seem to exist. [16:01] mhall119, hey, is quickly still a thing? [16:01] or is it kinda deadsies [16:04] deadsies AIUI [16:07] daw [16:07] thanks popey [16:07] maybe we should revive it, i have some ideas for templates [16:09] cwayne: but we have the shiny sdk go use that tis fun ;) [16:09] davmor2, i do use that! but not everything will use sdk [16:09] like account-plugins [16:09] cwayne: yeah, most of the functionality exists in QtCretor+plugins for Qt/QML [16:10] fair enough [16:10] mhall119, is there any docs on how to make new templates? [16:10] cwayne: if you want to take the lead on quickly development, go for it [16:10] cwayne: bzoltan might be able to help with that [16:11] ah good the channel does live, unlike late last night :) [16:11] cwayne: so write a c++ solution that others can pin to their apps and point mhall119 at it and see if it can't be include as a guide :) [16:11] now that i think of it, maybe once we migrate account-plugins to click, maybe doing it in qtcreator will make sense.. [16:11]