=== sara is now known as dubaco === dubaco is now known as User112233 [07:23] morning all [08:01] Pip pip [08:02] morning. [08:03] Morning all === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:27] möh [08:28] Myrtti: was that supposed to be meh! ;) [08:28] I've regressed [08:29] hiii good morning all [08:29] Myrtti: in that case you should understand this ... iwc hfdhdsf ;) [08:29] morning dvrr [08:53] vnc server too many security failures i facesd this problam fast 2 hours how to resolve please help me [08:59] * dwatkins ponders how to send ctrl+alt+delete to an rdesktop session inside an open NX session on his Mac [08:59] taxi? [08:59] is there an on-screen keyboard installed by default in Ubuntu? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:00] if amazon is starting to offer windows desktops, how long before they offer linux desktops? [09:01] dwatkins Start | Windows Security if it's a newer version of windows [09:02] tripleclones: urrm, I'm not sure where I'd do that, I can't log in to the virtual machine that's 4.5 miles away ;) [09:02] and I'm controlling it via an Ubuntu server with fluxbox as the window manager [09:03] using rdesktop? [09:03] tripleclones: yeah [09:03] dwatkins - what version of windows [09:03] Server 2k3 R2 [09:03] it's at the "press ctrl+alt+del to login" login screen [09:03] dwatkins - ah [09:04] yeah ;) [09:04] I think Ctrl Alt End does it [09:04] after logging in, I have the problem that its updates fail to actually update, but that's a separate issue, and nothing whatsoever to do with Ubuntu (unless it's because I'm running it as a virtual machine on Ubuntu x64 or something) [09:05] hmm, not sure I have a real "end" key hahaha [09:05] dwatkins - ah ;) [09:06] no worries, I'll find a way or wait until I get home [09:07] dwatkins: rdesktop on ubuntu uses ctrl+alt+del as the default ctrl+alt+del key sequence I thought? [09:07] dwatkins: and on mac the same applies [09:07] hmm, interesting [09:07] perhaps open NX is stopping it from being passed, I'll try sshing directly to the server to run rdesktop [09:07] well, via the machine which I can access... [09:07] tunnelling fun! [09:08] if you're on a mac without a delete key tho I'm not sure what the fn+smth key is to get the same functionality [09:09] fn+backspace [09:09] there ya go [09:09] so ctrl+alt+fn+backspace === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:13] bingo, ssh port redirection saves the day :D [09:14] haha, it tries to upgrade the browser, downloads IE8, then tells me it's not supported on this OS *facepalm* [09:14] I'm really glad I don't rely on this OS (although in fairness, I'm using an old version) [09:15] wait, ie8 isn't supported on 2k3? [09:15] wow [09:18] 2k3 is like XP right [09:19] popey: [09:21] it was a superset of xp with servery stuffs [09:21] I think R2 was even vista under the hood [09:22] 2008 was vista [09:22] I think [09:22] dvrr: [09:22] aah yeah, I think you're right - vista came out in 2k7 [09:23] diddledan: and 2k8r2 was Win7-based [09:23] vnc server problem ubuntu12.10 [09:24] popery: vnc server too many security failures [09:24] I think vnc servers have been broken in ubuntu for ages [09:24] Well, it's sitting there using 25% of the CPU to do nothing, so thus far, Windows Server 2003 is pretty useless to me, as it won't even install the security updates. [09:24] due to compositing [09:24] why does this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/toolbar-bg.png render differently in firefox to chromium? [09:25] AlanBell: maybe it has a color profile attached/included in the file [09:25] looks green in chrome and safari here [09:26] how to fix this problem [09:26] and it looks similar in firefox on osx [09:26] so chrome safari and firefox all seem the same on osx [09:27] AlanBell: blamefirefox [09:27] diddledan: it is green, but firefox is rather brighter [09:28] i think its an optical illusion [09:28] it probably is the colour profile in the file, not sure why one of them isn't applying it [09:28] due to the dark background in ff [09:28] nope, however on TheOpenSourcerer's machine I think they are the same [09:28] On mine it looks the same in G & FF [09:28] it shows the image in the centre on Firefox on my Mac, whereas Chrome shows it at the top left corner, but the images look the same. [09:29] same here [09:29] but I guess AlanBell is using it on a site, not just on its own [09:31] yeah, it is on a white background in the site [09:31] i wonder if school caretakers actually have interviews where they talk, or its just an audition where they walk through carry a bunch of keys and a table. oh, there's a large bulky man with a mullet, he's perfect for the job [09:32] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/firefoxchromium.png [09:32] that is a screenshot of the two browsers next to each other, and the difference I see [09:33] firefox is brighter [09:33] mungbean: to be honest, it's pretty impressive what school caretakers have to go through although it's now known as facilities management. [09:33] they get a house though [09:34] depends if they outsource it out....my sister and brother in law do it all [09:34] our local one looks like he could wrestle a bear and win [09:35] our school caretaker does loads and doesn't get a house [09:35] My youngest son's school just "had to let go" its caretaker... He clipped a kid round the ear for being lippy. he was a lovely bloke and had been there for years. All the kids really liked him. One mistake, a bloody stroppy parent and a weak head meant he lost his job. [09:35] no offence TheOpenSourcerer no sympathy, you don't hit kids [09:36] Bollocks [09:36] on or off duty? [09:36] if someone hit my kids i'd go mental [09:36] moment of weakness no doubt [09:36] MooDoo: even if he was giving the guy lip? [09:36] "hit" and a clip round the ear are not the same thing. [09:37] lots of kids don't have fathers in their lives at all and need a bit of male correction [09:37] lots of kids I know need a good kicking if you ask me. Might teach them some manners and respect [09:37] MooDoo: I'm with TheOpenSourcerer, if he punched him I understood.. if he was putting him in line for being lippy i'd be fine [09:37] well we can't all agree all the time :) [09:38] It used to happen at school all the time, kids were much better then as they knew they'd get a clip around the ear for being cheeky [09:38] nowadays it's classed as assult. [09:38] Yeah and it's stupid [09:39] then they wonder why 15yr olds are getting stabbed l/r/centre [09:39] they are? [09:39] not in Farnham I think. [09:40] this is my favourite video of someone being punched: Buzz Aldrin getting fed-up with a reporter for saying he didn't go to the moon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBesDx1WQc [09:40] so, have we all seen the news about Jolla? any thoughts on the phone as a competitor for Ubuntu phone? [09:42] in nottingham they are getting shot ;) [09:42] Good morning all; happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! :-D [09:42] How pertinent. [09:42] JamesTait: FO! ;) [09:42] I shall loosen up tonight by hitting the gym [09:42] I'll be mostly drinking and eating this evening :-) [09:43] I'm going to purchase some more ghost chilly chutny :D [09:43] I'll be... a monkey's uncle! ) [09:43] I'm going to the cinema [09:43] * JamesTait lets the missing ':' slide. [09:43] TheOpenSourcerer: do you grow bhut jolkia ? [09:43] edmonton has stabbings all the time [09:44] MooDoo: I grow most things :-) [09:44] jussi: yeah, interesting plan they have [09:44] TheOpenSourcerer: you need a summer chilli bbq, ;) [09:44] I'm sure they dont consider ubuntu phone as competition, but they probably see ios, android and wp as competition [09:44] MooDoo: here's my grow list for next year: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanLord/posts/EjawsX1ybzA [09:45] TheOpenSourcerer: "bubblegum" chilli? [09:45] popey: yes, I agree, except, amended... "I'm sure they dont consider ubuntu phone as competition, yet" [09:45] I need to trim it a bit, but there are others I want to add too!!! [09:45] The 7 Pot BG is rather unique. [09:45] Wonder how they'll convince people to make Sailfish apps when they're doing Android emulation [09:45] Its stemcap ripens with the pod... [09:46] TheOpenSourcerer: well if you get a decent batch of Naga Bhut Jolokia which is my fave, i'll purchase a few from you :D [09:46] I hear the engine they are using for android emulation isn't that great, and some apps wont work in it [09:46] useful stop-gap though [09:46] popey: good question, I assume the sailfish apps might be slightly faster, being QML instead of Java [09:46] i wouldn't think so [09:46] MooDoo: Did you see the Dorset Naga that Sea Spring Seeds grew this year for a competition to see how many pods they could get from one plant? [09:46] with ART, the android java apps compile down to native code now [09:47] so potentially much faster than dalvik [09:47] TheOpenSourcerer: can't say that I did [09:47] Have a guess at how many pods they managed... [09:47] aah, yes, a good point [09:47] dalvik also did that, but less efficiently [09:47] lots [09:47] true [09:47] TheOpenSourcerer: go on, i've no idea [09:47] http://www.seaspringseeds.co.uk/news-and-events/competition [09:49] TheOpenSourcerer: wow how many [09:49] 2407 [09:49] Ripe ones [09:49] One plant [09:49] yes wow that's amazing [09:49] did they taste good as well [09:49] popey: i think you are correct though, this is a stopgap until they fill their own app store. Guess some of the integration thigns will make the desire for salfish apps, as the android ones wont be at all integrated [09:49] yeah, obviously we have the same problem ☻ [09:49] TheOpenSourcerer: my pathetic attempt got me about 2/3 on a plant i did last year, i've a lot to learn my master ;) [09:49] The Dorset Naga is a selectively bred Naga Morich. [09:50] MartijnVdS: They taste lovely but are very hot. ~1m - 1.2m shu [09:51] I didn't do very well with the superhots this year either MooDoo. I had about a dozen Trinidad Scorpion Butch Ts though. [09:51] But the Rocoto grew very well [09:51] Got lots of big pods from those. [09:55] TheOpenSourcerer: I think plain pepper from the supermarket is "too hot" sometimes [09:55] TheOpenSourcerer: so... :) [09:57] with upstart, can I create "ephemeral" services? that is, I want a daemon which I can stop and start, and maybe have auto-restart if it dies, but only for this session? [09:59] good morning everyone. [09:59] morning brobostigon [09:59] morning SuperMatt [09:59] morning brobostigon [10:00] SuperMatt: put it on a tmpfs, and overlay-mount that to /etc/init/? ;) [10:00] sounds a bit over the top :/ [10:00] morning MooDoo [10:00] but it might be the answer I'm looking for [10:02] either that or I write the upstart script in such a way that it deletes itself when powering down ;) [10:04] nope nope nope, overlaying mounts is not the answer [10:06] why do you want this? [10:08] SuperMatt: writing a virus eh>? [10:08] for some horizontal scaling. Say I've created an upstart service for a nodejs daemon, and I want to add another nodejs daemon to cope with the load. I figure I'd probably want to create an upstart job on the fly, and have it disappear on restart [10:09] using upstart, I can control what happens when a daemon dies, such as automatically restarting it [10:09] how is running >1 nodejs on the same machine going to help though [10:09] nginx working as a load balancer [10:09] it's just a theoretical [10:09] can't you just tell the existing nodejs to use all available CPUs? [10:10] sure [10:10] but it could be any application, not just node [10:11] I'm also using cgroups to constrain node anyway, so that if one of the nodes dies, the others pick up the slack, rather than have the whole server fall down [10:11] that's the downside to just using one nodejs server ;) [10:12] horizonal scaling > vertical scaling [10:13] isn't that what juju and EC2 are for though [10:14] not if you're not using ec2 ;) [10:14] though juju might be the answer [10:14] I guess I could write a charm which adds additional nodes to the machine [10:15] I thought Node was single-threaded, so in order to use more than one CPU you had to run more than one process? [10:15] it is indeed [10:16] and like I said, if that one node instance falls down, your entire app is down [10:16] I was replying mostly to MartijnVdS there :-) [10:19] mgdm: wow, backwards [10:20] I think it's kinda deliberate [10:20] it's supposed to be fast [10:21] if you want fast, program in C not javascript [10:21] also try to keep your code below 100,000 lines [10:21] MartijnVdS: it's eventy and everything is supposed to be non-blocking so it spins threads off left right and centre to handle other things [10:21] also, do as little as possible during the request, pre-cache or pre-generate everything you can [10:22] MartijnVdS: but that means you need loads of processes and a load balancer or reverse proxy to use all your hardware [10:24] MartijnVdS: that works for pretty much any language/platform :-) [10:25] mgdm: yeah, do less -> stuff gets faster [10:28] MartijnVdS, you must be disappointed rVDS is out of the internationals with a toe injury. [10:28] Er, RVP. [10:28] Was talking to my youngest son last night about what he'd been up to at school. Says he was helping his teacher with Scratch ;-) Told me he'd written a version of "Pong" in it. Said it was quite hard getting the "bounce" quite right. He's 9 :-D [10:28] We need VDS to be a gk coach to DdG. [10:28] cool :) [10:29] TheOpenSourcerer: I wrote my first code around that age (in GW-BASIC on some PC/XT clone) [10:31] I think I was hacking around on our first machine (a compukit 101) when I was that age, but just checked and it didn't come out until 1979! I was 14 then... [10:31] TheOpenSourcerer: I still have my .bas files somewhere :) [10:32] spent a few days rescuing them from an old 5.25" floppy a few years ago [10:33] I have a 5.25" floppy. As my wife likes to call it ;-) [10:34] TheOpenSourcerer: And when it becomes inflexible, it's 3.5"? [10:34] lol [10:34] "It's COLD out here!" [10:35] TheOpenSourcerer: thats awesome! [10:35] what, his 5.25*ahem* [10:35] What my 5.25" ;-) [10:35] gah beat me to it mgdm [10:35] stop beating your 5.25" here in the channel please [10:36] popey: I was telling him about your kid coding thing. [10:41] i have another starting in a couple of weeks [10:44] What was the programme called again? [10:46] MartijnVdS it's more like a 1.8" [10:46] TheOpenSourcerer: code club? [10:46] A 1.8" micro-SATA device [10:46] TheOpenSourcerer: https://www.codeclub.org.uk/ [10:48] That was it. Thanks MooDoo [10:53] For a 65 year old looking to buy a new desktop machine, for use with email/internet/word processing etc, can you think of a reason not to buy a cheapish machine with a celeron processor, he's not going to be a power user, just wondered if anybody would suggest against it [10:53] DJones: chromebook? [10:54] MartijnVdS: He wants a desktop machine and Windows because thats what he's used to [10:55] Get one of those ebuyer Zoom things then? [10:55] The zoostorm ones? [10:56] That's it. [10:56] Or similar of course. [10:56] Probably make little difference. [10:56] Do he have a case and PSU, monitor etc? [10:56] You could probably get a mobo, cpu and ram for less. [10:56] Yeah, but very old [10:57] ATX power harness? [10:57] if you want windows that pretty much means you will need windows 7 [10:57] and that means a celeron will not be fast enough [10:58] you should get dual core i5 as a minimum [10:58] Get him an RPi instead ;-) [10:58] No idea, its a very old Dell desktop so would think it'll be fairly standard, machine is probably about 10 years old running XP, although I think one HDD's in it has just failed [10:59] TheOpenSourcerer: apparently there is this effort to purchase a number of pi's and make a cluster out of them ;) [10:59] Ahh Dell, doubt it. They used to use proprietary power - I had that problem. [10:59] Morning all [10:59] And RAMBUS :-( [10:59] yeah you won't be able to reuse anything from a 10 year old dell [10:59] mornign davmor2 [11:00] To be honest, I wasn't planning on reusing anything, I'd rather he bought something off the shelf so I don't have to fart around with it [11:02] optiplex 9020 small form factor 4th generation i5, 8GB, windows 7, £641 + VAT and shipping [11:03] Thats about twice what he planning on paying, TheOpenSourcerer's suggestion of the zoostorm machines is a good one [11:03] well that's the cost of running windows for you [11:03] if you buy a cheap ass computer, don't act surprised when it takes 10 minutes to load up [11:04] cheap ass-computer [11:05] yes [11:06] http://www.asscomputer.de/ [11:06] I've never had that problem, the £300 machines I use at work boot win 7 in under a minute, they're 4Gb Pentium R machines at 2.7Ghz [11:07] my laptop is only 4gb 2.1 and that boots winows fine....windows 81 too [11:08] Good morning peeps :) [11:10] morning bigcalm === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [11:11] bigcalm: how do [11:12] MooDoo: 'Ow do [11:12] davmor2: ayup youth [11:12] Howdy doody [11:13] MooDoo: Youth I'm only a year younger than you you owld coot [11:13] davmor2: i'm in a good mood mate so you get compliments, just for today like. [11:14] MooDoo: Hahaha did you get the day off work? [11:14] davmor2: nope, 5 hours sleep and lots of coffee ;) [11:16] * davmor2 pictures MooDoo shouting Minion Get ME COFFEE, and minion replying get it yourself [11:16] davmor2: seems to work when i sudo get me a coffee ;) [11:17] MooDoo: haha :) [11:38] so, jolla device will be out on 27th of this month [11:38] in finland only? [11:38] yeah, in december elsewhere I think [11:39] popey: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ [12:43] Snapchat guy should have taken the money and RUN, giggling like a schoolgirl on the way [12:45] awilkins: then bought it back for $3 in a year or two === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:46] MartijnVdS, Hah, yes. To me the whole thing feels like some guy who made an app because he realised that ladies were not as inclined to send gentlemen compromising pictures any more because of news events that underlined the inadvisability of doing so [12:46] Maybe even just as a jolly jape for the boys at Stanford === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:27] lol i didn't realise 3 out of 5 people have claimed the pi and a pint :) awesome [13:29] they just want to meet the legendary Alans [13:30] (I'm on 2/3, afaik) [13:31] MooDoo: yup, the third one was claimed today, by someone from Belgium! [13:32] still 2 left though if you hurry :) [13:33] hehe :) [13:33] very very close to the halfway mark [13:34] yes and 41 days left, very impressed [13:35] Yeah come on you lot... £17 to get to 50%... [13:35] and how much for a pint? [13:35] £150 :-) [13:35] 150 [13:39] TheOpenSourcerer: why don't you do another one, £200 all the stuff + a guest spot on the ubuntu uk podcast ;) [13:39] that would be popey [13:40] MartijnVdS: isn't popey part of this initiative as well? [13:40] MooDoo: sure, but you're asking TheOpenSourcerer, who isn't a podcast person :) [13:40] well not a regular presenter, anyway [13:40] MartijnVdS: I know i was thinking out loud :D [13:41] I'm not really part of it. [13:41] They just needed more Alans [13:41] ah [13:41] I will happily help out if they need it though, of course. [13:41] The Alan Singularity! [13:42] Well, actually Alan needed moar Alans ;-) [13:42] Alanis? [13:44] More Alans? Morissette Alanis? I can see how you got confused [13:44] More Alans, is it? [13:47] https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4653472512/h1FF39D6F/ [13:47] One can never haz more Alan [13:48] Ellen then? [13:49] or helen? [13:49] Alien? [13:49] Alanien [13:50] though "Bell", "Lord" and "Pope" all have religious meanings [13:50] and three -> holy trinity of Alans? [13:52] MartijnVdS: we three kings of ubuntu-uk are.... [13:52] carrying pi's and clusters a far [13:53] oooooo alan of wonder alan of might, alan a star that's shining so bright ;) [13:53] ok i'll shut up now [13:53] MooDoo: this is almost turning into an Alan Davies introduction on QI 8-) [13:54] well that's numberwang ;) [13:54] let's rotate the board! [14:02] I used to work with a bloke called Tony King. When we arrived at hotels in foreign places we used to get some odd looks at times... "Lord" & "King" checking in please. [14:05] TheOpenSourcerer: did you ever carry his bags as recognition of his higher rank? :) [14:07] Pah. [14:07] In many countries Lord trumps a king. [14:08] really 0o [14:11] hehe you said trump [14:12] TheOpenSourcerer: what "the" Lord or "a" lord? [14:13] hm, thought nexus 7 was supposed to get 4.4 yesterday? [14:14] popey: they started rollout, I think. [14:14] popey: when Google say that, you'll usually get it within a week or 2 [14:14] at least, on Nexus phones [14:14] blimey [14:23] hello all o/ [14:23] \o selinuxium [14:23] selinuxium: afternoon [14:24] \o/ new Doctor Who "prequel" "mini-episode" [14:24] * MartijnVdS won't spoil [14:24] MartijnVdS: where you seend that? [14:24] but it's on iplayer and youtube if you want to watch :) [14:25] MartijnVdS: what's it called? [14:25] MooDoo: Robert Webb's twitter :) [14:25] MooDoo: see pm :) [14:26] https://twitter.com/arobertwebb/status/400985118971404289 [14:26] * popey has watched it twice already :D [14:27] * MartijnVdS can't wait now :) [14:27] ta will watch it later :) [14:27] its great ☻ [14:27] [14:28] can't believe the tablets get kitkat before the Nexus 4 [14:28] :< [14:28] * MartijnVdS strokes his Nexus 5 [14:28] but anyway these updates are never even that worth it [14:28] they won't change anything for me [14:28] * popey looks forward to ubuntu touch on a nexus 10 ☻ [14:28] HOLY C**P MartijnVdS :D [14:28] that new asus transformer looks interesting [14:28] pretty cheap device [14:29] MooDoo: hm> [14:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taJ_KPJnwmM [14:37] heh just ran crystaldiskinfo on this laptop i have in of someones [14:37] Yay isp technician has been I has interwebz again that doesn't knock me off every hour to get a new dhcp lease [14:37] it claims this 250GB HDD has performed 14TB of reads and 86 *PB* of writes [14:37] new router? [14:38] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/ubuntu-tablet-will-key-focus-ubuntu-14-04-lts-cycle [14:38] \o/ [14:40] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/ubuntu-tablet-will-key-focus-ubuntu-14-04-lts-cycle [14:40] oops [14:43] popey: whole bunch of attenuation tests, signal test, new booster, power and noise tests, flash from the office and a new modem to be doubly sure [14:43] haha [14:43] so yeah, new modem ☻ [14:44] popey: basically I get a 1 week lease time now [14:46] popey: I showed the bloke the issue and he went, well I've never seen that before hmmm [14:48] oh good, so the desktop will continue to be neglected through until 2016... great [14:48] just what i wanted to hear [14:48] the desktop is where it's at [14:48] ali1234: what are you on about. The question that was ask was so the first LTS that will be unity 8 will be 2016 [14:49] davmor2: i'm "on about" the lack of any focus at all on the desktop software you ship [14:50] ali1234: the unity 7 desktop will get some improvements and security fixes. Which is how it should be for an LTS [14:50] like the improvements it got in 13.10? [14:50] or 13.04? [14:50] oh wait, there weren't any [14:50] it's practically abandoned software at this point [14:52] abandonware [14:52] are there no non-Canonical Unity developers? [14:52] stick it on homeoftheunderdogs.net [14:53] bashrc: there aren't nearly enough to fix all the bugs [14:53] bashrc: depends what you call a unity developer [14:54] someone who has enough knowledge of it to add features or fix bugs [14:54] there are non-canonical people doing a few things like lenses or integrating with the Unity API [14:54] doing core stuff, probably just Canonical folk [14:55] sounds like it has a high bus factors [14:55] low* [14:55] maybe low [14:55] bashrc: "The bus factor is the total number of key developers who would need to be incapacitated, for example, by getting hit by a bus/truck) to send the project into such disarray that it would not be able to proceed.", to quote Wikipedia :) [14:56] low then [14:56] that basically already happened when the compiz maintainer left [14:56] nobody else has a clue how that code works [14:56] eesh [14:56] bus factor: 0 [14:57] now that's a podcast title 8-) [14:57] does that mean that Unity is effectively a dead project now? [14:57] unity 7 is, yes [14:57] unity 7 [14:57] says a lot about bus drivers [14:57]