[00:29] knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/rationales/new_ram [00:55] verification needed for bug 1206739 [00:55] bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Debian) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 [03:43] Reminder: Next Xubuntu team meeting tomorrow, 1500UTC. [03:58] Unit193: I thought the wiki page was updated to 1600 [03:59] Ah, that. Dang daylight savings. [09:15] congrats pleia2 and elfy on your nomination to the CC! [09:15] ty knome :) [10:08] good morning all [10:09] o/ [10:10] hi elfy. Good morning [10:11] hi - running off now for a while === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [11:57] almost half of the finnish translation of the docs is now done === bluesabr1 is now known as bluesabre [11:57] busy busy! [11:58] hhe [11:58] I'm taking a personal day to catch back up, so I'll be attending the meeting today :) [11:58] cool [12:11] hi bluesabre [12:18] hey elfy [12:20] brb [13:09] back [13:09] my personal day is starting to turn into a sick day :( [13:10] oh [13:10] :( [13:11] * knome slaps bluesabre [13:11] bluesabre: every time I see your nick in the channel it instantly reminds me of "xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes" :) [13:12] make it stop! :D [13:13] brainwash: :D [13:14] I'll ping micahg about it again [13:15] I just don't understand, why it takes so long, there has to be reason :( [13:18] personal lives, makes a lot of us really busy [13:18] this past week I haven't wanted to look at a computer after leaving work [13:19] I'm lucky, but unfortunately for us I don't code, as I don't see a computer at work :) [13:20] but in this case it's just a simple click on the approve button, or? [13:20] I don't want to blame anyone, just want to understand why something like this can take so long [13:21] so maybe I myself can help to speed up things [13:21] well, he has to approve it and merge it, but yeah, minimal effort required for that [15:15] meeting in 45 mins. [15:20] !team | MEETING TIME in 40 minutes! [15:20] MEETING TIME in 40 minutes!: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, micahg, mr_pouit, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, Unit193 [15:20] yep [15:20] look how smart i am, created a useful factoid [15:21] :) [15:21] (just don't overuse it...) [15:21] and what a useful factoid that is [15:21] nope - that would be super annoying [15:22] that just works in -devel, so no annoying poking around in #x [15:22] * elfy has a quick look at release schedule to count how many times he'll use it between now and april [15:23] !meeting [15:23] Next scheduled Xubuntu community meeting and the agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [15:23] !schedule [15:23] A schedule of Trusty Tahr (14.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule [15:23] though that existed already:) [15:24] elfy, btw, i'm quite sure i won't be of much help with alpha 1 [15:24] (if we're participating anyway) [15:26] well I'd rather participate from the beginning - response get's better as cycle progresses as I nag more [15:26] so if we leave it - then we'll be up the river [15:26] if you're up the river in london, where exactly are you? westend? [15:27] (that ain't too bad?) [15:27] :P [15:27] :) [15:28] look at all the !factoids! [15:28] yes! [15:28] alright [15:28] could be a field in Gloucestershire knome [15:29] if you haven't looked at uds schedule for interesting sessions, now's a good time [15:29] elfy, what's wrong with that? [15:29] fields of gold [15:29] nothing at all if you come from Glos ... if you don't however ... [15:29] lol [15:31] * elfy blames knome for taking the conversation offtopic :p [15:31] yep [15:54] five minutes to meeting [15:55] pleia2, wakey wakey :) [15:55] mhmm [15:55] I need to leave soon for name change things though [15:55] bluesabre, your head any better? [15:55] ochosi, you back home? [15:55] oh that [15:55] yup [15:55] meh [15:55] pleia2, how soon? 30mins? [15:55] I'm around for the meeting [15:55] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [15:55] Meeting started Thu Nov 14 15:55:56 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:55] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:56] pleia2: unless you have concerns, i'd publish the blog-article by the end of the meeting [15:56] let's go through some of this bureaucracy now... [15:56] like 15 :) [15:56] pleia2: (knome and me went over it today) [15:56] #topic Items carried on [15:56] #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting [15:56] ochosi: that's good, I just logged into browse real quick [15:56] #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week [15:56] ACTION: knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week [15:56] WIP [15:56] #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation [15:56] ACTION: micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation [15:56] #nick micahg [15:56] #action micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs [15:56] ACTION: micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs [15:57] ochosi announced the wallpaper project [15:57] done [15:57] indeed [15:57] #subtopic Approve or decline specifications on the Roadmap [15:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap [15:57] some of the devel-related items have been approved last sun [15:58] #action knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items [15:58] ACTION: knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items [15:58] nice [15:58] #info development (read: new feature drop-in) items have been approved already [15:58] i have an idea to save time [15:59] let's vote on every item quickly first: [15:59] +1 is approve, -1 is decline, +0 is "i want to discuss" [15:59] if there is most "abstain" (+0) votes, we'll discuss [15:59] sounds good for everybody? [15:59] good job I came back then [15:59] ok [15:59] sounds good [15:59] +1 [15:59] :) [15:59] yup [15:59] elfy, well i wasn't going to start the votes before :00 [16:00] micahg, are you around? [16:00] but I'm +1 to doing that [16:00] Good thing I was already logged in so that I caught the early start [16:00] skellat, hello! :) [16:00] skellat, heh, again, just did the bureaucracy [16:01] #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu [16:01] Current voters: GridCube bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu [16:01] #undo [16:01] huh? :) [16:01] oh, heh [16:01] #undo [16:01] Removing item from minutes: [16:01] hmm no... [16:01] knome: We don't want ubottu voting [16:02] #info development (read: new feature drop-in) items have been approved already [16:02] #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat Unit193 [16:02] Current voters: GridCube Unit193 bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu [16:02] i dont think he will vote skellat [16:02] who knows... :) [16:02] don't know how to remove a voter... [16:02] :-) [16:02] Lets roll with it then [16:02] anywa, let's go [16:02] #vote approve knome's voting mechanism? [16:02] Please vote on: approve knome's voting mechanism? [16:02] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from knome [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from elfy [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from pleia2 [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from bluesabre [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:02] +1 [16:02] +1 received from ochosi [16:03] vote ubottu vote! [16:03] that's enough +1's [16:03] #endvote [16:03] Voting ended on: approve knome's voting mechanism? [16:03] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:03] Motion carried [16:03] #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat Unit193 [16:03] Current voters: GridCube Unit193 bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu [16:03] ah, that sticks [16:03] good! [16:03] #vote Increase the amount of developers/uploaders [16:03] Please vote on: Increase the amount of developers/uploaders [16:03] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from knome [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from skellat [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from elfy [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from ochosi [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from bluesabre [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from pleia2 [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from GridCube [16:04] (namely, bluesabre, skellat, ochosi, Noskcaj...) [16:04] #endvote [16:04] Voting ended on: Increase the amount of developers/uploaders [16:04] Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:04] Motion carried [16:04] #vote Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage [16:04] Please vote on: Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage [16:04] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from knome [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from ochosi [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from elfy [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from bluesabre [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from pleia2 [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from skellat [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from GridCube [16:04] #endvote [16:04] Voting ended on: Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage [16:04] Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:04] Motion carried [16:05] #vote *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? [16:05] * knome kicks meetingology [16:05] Please vote on: *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? [16:05] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:05] +0 [16:05] +0 received from knome [16:05] +1 [16:05] +1 received from ochosi [16:05] +1 [16:05] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:05] +1 [16:05] +1 received from bluesabre [16:05] +1 [16:05] +1 received from elfy [16:05] +0 [16:05] +0 received from pleia2 [16:05] -1 [16:05] -1 received from skellat [16:06] +1 [16:06] +1 received from GridCube [16:06] include == set as default? [16:06] i guess i should have been more verbose [16:06] i presumed so [16:06] i guess that's a yes, otherwise that wording didn't make sense [16:07] yeah, it'll probably end up in the archive anyway [16:07] #endvote [16:07] Voting ended on: *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? [16:07] Votes for:5 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 [16:07] Motion carried [16:07] do we need to create rationales for this? [16:07] #info since the voting wasn't all-clear, the team should follow on the progress and proposal by ochosi, but basically approved if it's a sane proposal [16:08] i expect some rationale in the proposal, yeah [16:08] i've asked for a specific proposal from ochosi already [16:08] well the proposal is there already [16:08] alright [16:08] As long as we don't look like openSUSE we [16:08] will be fine [16:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu [16:08] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu [16:09] skellat, urls will be linkified automatically [16:09] Okay [16:09] (or at least they used to do that) [16:09] ochosi: can you talk to me when you've time for testing that [16:10] ochosi, you're not proposing how to integrate it into the xubuntu deskop, and what you'd like to drop from the default desktop (eg. how you'd like to change the panel layout) [16:10] elfy: sure [16:10] ochosi, that's pretty much the only reason why i'm not unconditionally +1 [16:10] anyway, forward! [16:10] knome: well it does say "advantages over current menu" [16:10] but well, i can include more info there [16:11] didn't have too much time before [16:11] i'm skipping the "investigate" and "see if we can" -items [16:11] those are relatively minor anyway [16:11] #vote Community wallpapers package [16:11] Please vote on: Community wallpapers package [16:11] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:11] +1 [16:11] +1 received from knome [16:11] +1 [16:11] +1 received from skellat [16:11] +1 [16:11] +1 received from GridCube [16:11] +1 [16:11] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:12] +1 [16:12] +1 received from bluesabre [16:12] +1 [16:12] +1 received from ochosi [16:12] +1 [16:12] +1 [16:12] +1 received from pleia2 [16:12] +1 received from elfy [16:12] thats the 8 of us [16:12] :) [16:12] good [16:12] #endvote [16:12] Voting ended on: Community wallpapers package [16:12] Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:12] Motion carried [16:13] #vote Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) [16:13] Please vote on: Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) [16:13] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:13] +1 [16:13] +1 received from knome [16:13] +1 [16:13] +1 received from pleia2 [16:13] +1 [16:13] +1 received from jjfrv8 [16:13] +1 [16:13] +1 received from skellat [16:13] +0 [16:13] +0 received from elfy [16:13] +1, maybe we can find a place to easily track that? [16:13] +1, maybe we can find a place to easily track that? received from bluesabre [16:13] bluesabre: I assumed we'd put them on the monthly team report [16:14] +1 [16:14] +1 received from GridCube [16:14] bluesabre, i've been talking with lderan about some fixes/extends to meetingology to be able gather those with #done's or so... [16:14] * bluesabre doesn't know about any of our reports :) [16:14] +0 [16:14] +0 received from ochosi [16:14] bluesabre, there isn't such things as "reports" currently :P [16:14] and by weekly i meant [16:14] bluesabre: See, for example: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/TeamReports/ [16:14] monthly reports and weekly reports to -release :) [16:14] yeah, so "improve" as in: start to write them [16:14] but yeah, +1'd with weekly, so... [16:14] aha [16:15] ochosi, they are basically "written" [16:15] just not sent/gathered anywhere [16:15] #endvote [16:15] and no reporting with -release-specific things is done [16:15] #endvote [16:15] Voting ended on: Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) [16:15] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 [16:15] Motion carried [16:15] my +0 is based on the fact that no-one bothers to even reply to mails from me [16:16] so I wonder if anyone will do this [16:16] elfy, let's talk about that after votes [16:16] because i +1 that discussion :P [16:16] elfy: I appreciate your emails :) [16:16] * pleia2 sometimes even tweets them herself! [16:16] lol - I assume everyone does, but thanks [16:16] looking if there is something to vote one [16:16] let's do the voting [16:16] *on [16:17] #vote Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion [16:17] Please vote on: Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion [16:17] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:17] +0 [16:17] +0 received from knome [16:17] ? [16:17] frankly, i have no clue what does should do [16:17] -1 after reading discussion earlier today in xfce-dev where this seems to be an open issue upstream [16:17] -1 after reading discussion earlier today in xfce-dev where this seems to be an open issue upstream received from skellat [16:17] that's an item in the roadmap [16:17] i have no idea of what it is [16:17] +0 [16:17] +0 received from GridCube [16:17] +0 [16:17] +0 received from jjfrv8 [16:18] +0 [16:18] +0 received from bluesabre [16:18] i don't know what those are either [16:18] +0 [16:18] +0 received from ochosi [16:18] +0 [16:18] +0 received from pleia2 [16:18] +0 [16:18] +0 received from elfy [16:18] ok, i'll quickly check... [16:18] oh right [16:18] i'm just giving it a chance if everybody else was "hell yeah let's put those on the ISO" [16:18] i remember [16:18] #endvote [16:18] Voting ended on: Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion [16:18] Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:7 [16:18] Motion denied [16:18] (postponed, at least until somebody sheds light into it) [16:18] it has a plugin to add brightness controls to the panel [16:18] #vote Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer [16:19] Please vote on: Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer [16:19] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:19] -1 [16:19] -1 received from knome [16:19] +1 [16:19] +1 received from GridCube [16:19] +0 [16:19] +0 received from skellat [16:19] +0 [16:19] +0 received from jjfrv8 [16:19] +0 [16:19] +0 received from pleia2 [16:19] (i don't think xubuntu needs an equalizer, but feel free to prove me wrong) [16:19] -1 [16:19] -1 received from bluesabre [16:19] same here [16:19] -1 [16:19] -1 received from elfy [16:19] +0 [16:19] +0 received from ochosi [16:20] also, [16:20] (last time i checked it wasn't very stable) [16:20] GridCube, i'll handle your item on the RAM after the roadmap-voting, because it's a one-off decision rather than putting our time into it [16:20] import PyQt4 [16:20] (but i generally wouldn't mind) [16:20] that is not gtk :) [16:20] oki [16:20]